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Reaction to the Strategy
Posted by: Jon Henke on Wednesday, November 30, 2005

Sen. John Kerry:
"The truth is that the president draws a false line in trying to make his case to America. The troops don't belong to his point of view, they belong to America..."
Well, and I don't want to presume to tell a sitting Senator his business, but I seem to recall Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution giving the Executive branch just that—authority over the armed forces: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States".

Maybe John Kerry has a different edition of the Constitution.


Sen. Ken Salazar [D-CO]
I look forward to hearing more, including information about the specific benchmarks we expect to achieve, and when we expect to achieve them.
I think the Democrats—and the rest of us—would be well-served to take exactly this approach. "Good strategy, Mr President. Now, let's have some metrics, please. How do we measure success or failure?"


Sen. Russ Feingold:
The problem here is that the president put out the wrong document. It should be strategy for victory against al Qaeda. Iraq is not the be-all and end-all of our national security.
Well, christ on a stick, make up your mind. Just yesterday, Senator Feingold was saying that Bush needed to "lay out a specific, coherent policy on Iraq".


Most amusing/disheartening (take your pick) is this:

John Kerry:
Kerry accused Bush of resorting to "straw man" arguments in denouncing his critics' calls for a drawdown of U.S. forces. "This debate is not about an artificial date for withdrawal," Kerry said.
Nobody, said Senator Kerry, "is talking about running in the face of a challenge."

Well, he'd better tell that to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Just paragraphs later in the same story, she said...
The top Democrat in the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi of California, today threw her support behind a proposal by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) for a prompt pullout of U.S. troops from Iraq. Murtha [said troops] should be withdrawn within six months.
 
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Maybe John Kerry has a different edition of the Constitution.

I think we can take that as given.

Add to the mix Sen. Lieberman’s recent comments following his fourth visit to Iraq, and the Democrats sound like they can’t decide on the message.

 
Written By: Scott Crawford
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I can imagine a "Kerry For Troops" campaign. But can anyone imagine "Troops For Kerry"?
 
Written By: khr128
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The top Democrat in the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi of California, today threw her support behind a proposal by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) for a prompt pullout of U.S. troops from Iraq.

Too bad she didn’t vote for it when the GOP gave her a chance...
 
Written By: shark
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Kerry makes me grind my teeth in disgust.
Jack and I can’t summon the Naval Academy here or West Point to be our backdrop to talk about the truth about Iraq. But we can summon the truth.
You bet your hindquarters he can’t ’summon’ any of the military academies. I’d prefer to ask him why he thinks that might be. Nor can he find it in himself to ’talk about’ or ’summon’ the truth about Iraq.
The troops don’t belong to his point of view. They belong to America and to Americans. They are Americans.
So what we should have is 52% of the troops fighting the war with conviction, 47% of them angrily testifying in Congress and/or protesting in Fallujah by tossing their medals over some fence still standing, and 1% of them refusing to go along with either crowd, confidently defiant to everything.

Earth to Kerry: We had an election. America chose. The title is "Commander in Chief". Not Military Democratic Procedural Facilitator in Chief.
But go back and read what he said, because what he said was that the smallest part of the insurgency, the most lethal, is the terrorist jihadists. The most significant part of the insurgency, by his own acknowledgment today, is the person who resists, and then the active Saddam believer who wants a restoration of power.

And neither of those will be beaten at the face of a gun. They will be beaten through the political resolution, through a solution that has to be achieved politically.
This lunacy is why John Kerry lost the election. al-Qaeda will not be meeting Kerry at the UN for tea, crumpets and negotiation. They are quite happy to meet our civilians in office buildings with fuel-laden airliners. They are happy to meet Iraqi children catching candy from troops with car bombs. They are happy to fill up stuffed animals with explosives Who do you think will pick those toys up in the streets, Sir John?

We are quite happy to meet them in the deserts and on the barren streets with the language they understand best. We’ve got toys too, but for the murderous and undiscerning.
Our own generals are telling the president that our presence in large numbers is part of the problem and that you have to begin to reduce that.

The president did not acknowledge that today, but gave us the same talk about simply staying as long as it takes to get them to stand up; though he slipped into one sentence, quietly, that we may reduce their presence in the cities and begin to redeploy them in some ways, which is what many of us have been arguing we should do.
Kerry has been ’arguing’ nothing of the sort.

Has he not been paying attention? Could he explain where the 200,000+ Iraqi Security Forces have come from and where they got their training and experience? Maybe, just maybe, he could talk to his friends, the French and Germans, who continue to refuse to assist training the Iraqi Security Forces in Iraq. They much prefer to train them outside of Paris and in Frankfurt, where they can apparently get more realistic counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism training.

Maybe Kerry & Crew would like to take a peek at this presentation, which charts the progress of the Anbar Campaign, showing chronologically the progress Westward to the Syrian border along the Euphrates River, first in Search & Destroy missions, then followed on town by town with Clear & Hold operations, held in larger and larger part by capable Iraqi Security Forces. Maybe there wasn’t enough time to notice between Washington Post car bomb stories and New York Times suicide bomber stories and San Francisco Chronicle IED stories to notice our boys do much of anything but stand up and get blown up.

You see, it’s already been happening, Senator Kerry. The Iraqis are taking control and are getting trained (no thanks to your beloved EU). Would you like to take credit for it?

As a matter of fact, Bill just attended a ceremony in Husaybah, Iraq that turned over control of the Iraqi-Syrian border there to the Iraqis.

Perhaps that transition was because John Kerry ’has been arguing all along’ that the Iraqis need to take control.

It’s at moments like this that I am supposed to keep my mouth shut and bite my lip, lest I say something uncouth or inappropriate.

But I can’t.

This kind of tripe cannot stand unchallenged.

Enough.

(Please forgive the length of this comment.)

 
Written By: Steve Schippert
URL: http://wordunheard.com
You know, Kerry must be incredibly self-delusional. How could anybody listen to this blather and believe that it makes any sense at all? Does he hear what he says at all? Does he understand that these words don’t make anything like sense?

I’m willing to bet that you could cut and paste complete sentences from all of his speeches, randomly re-assemble them and they’d make about as much sense as when he originally delivered them, which is not much.
 
Written By: JorgXMcKie
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All I’ve got to say is the same thing I said on 9/11, which was the same thing I said on Inauguration Day 2001: Thank God the grownups are back in charge.
 
Written By: The Sanity Inspector
URL: http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com
I wonder if any election in the history of the United States had any less naturally articulate candidates than the 2004 election. At least the winner has displayed determination and consistency.

 
Written By: vnjagvet
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I’m willing to bet that you could cut and paste complete sentences from all of his speeches, randomly re-assemble them and they’d make about as much sense as when he originally delivered them, which is not much.
Interesting idea. Let’s try, using a program called Travesty. I used his comments from the transcript you referenced above (using Level 6 on Travesty). When Travesty got finished scrambling it, I got this:
This morning we should run in the Democratic side seek an artificials speak
about how to successful. That’s not what the troops, the president draws
a false line in the elections are doing an extraordinary job. Jack and
read what the three difficult for the vice president or the terrorist jihadists.
They believes that we have been wounded, we’ve talk about how to success
in Iraq. All of us supports the last several years and gentlemen, provides
a benchmark of success. They believe the United States to get them in some
ways, which allows you then to be able to withdrawal. What it is note about
simply staying as long as I am commander in chief.” Well, so long as Jack
and I and other of the insurgency. And the rest of us agree. No one is
talking about Iraq. All of us, believe our backdrop to take place in a
few weeks. I have now voiced themselves publican resolution — and neither
of the presence of a gun. They will withdraw some ways, which allows the
strategy for exit is, in fact.
Yeah, that’s roughly the same level of coherency as his actual remarks. I particularly liked the part about "Well, so long as Jack and I and other of the insurgency."
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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"Does he hear what he says at all? Does he understand that these words don’t make anything like sense?"

I often thought that during the campaign, when I listened to him accuse Bush of unilaterally invading, then sneer at the allies as "bribed and coerced," then present himself as the diplomat who could "bring everyone to the table."
 
Written By: Yehudit
URL: http://keshertalk.com
Psssst...someone go tell mkultra to change his talking points. MK has been saying lately that we don’t have enough troops in Iraq. Now Kerry is saying that we have too many troops there.
 
Written By: Steverino
URL: http://steverino.journalspace.com
Jon, you are the worst kind of GOP shill. You really, really are. I am sorry, but there is no other way to truthfully characterize your PR campaign for the wingers.

As is typical of your approach, you attempt to seem fair and balanced, and your main tool is this: Bush the surgeon has really fu**** up, he opened up the patient’s chest, he can’t close it without killing the patient, but because the Dems cannot come up with a remedy for the solving the problem and keeping the patient alive, I am going to spend my time on my blog holding them up to ridicule, instead of spending all of your blog time where it belongs - criticizing the idiot who opened up the patient in the first place.

Because the Dems cannot come up with a problem that has no solution, you hold them up to ridicule.

The Dems are .0000034% responsible for the disaster that is Iraq. Some day, you will grow out of your shillness. Some day, you will get it _ BUSH DECIDED TO CREATE A FU**** UNSOLAVABLE PROBLEM NOT THE DEMS. Until then, quit pretending to not be a GOP shill. Accept your shillness. Embrace it.
 
Written By: mkultra
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MK

Saddam lied, he led us into war. Simple when you think about it isn’t it?

The dems continue to be whiners, quitters and losers.

Kerry is an embarrassment to his own party. Regards
 
Written By: Abu Qa’ Qa
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The Dems are .0000034% responsible for the disaster that is Iraq.
Might want to check the Congressional voting record authorizing the use of force on Iraq.
 
Written By: Steve Schippert
URL: http://wordunheard.com
Today I heard a Kerry soundbite on the radio in which he was saying that Bush is ignoring the generals on the ground in Iraq, who say we have too many troops.

That’s funny because two weeks ago Kerry was still an acolyte of Eric Shinseki, who said we needed at least 400,000 troops to do the job.

Kerry’s smart to have dumped Shinseki’s nonsense. Rumsfeld studied the Algerian War of Independence (1954-1962), in which the French sent 500,000 troops to fight the Muslim insurgency. Algeria had a population of 9 million at the time; if you apply the troop-to-population ratio of the Algerian war to Iraq, that means we’d need 1.4 million troops.

With the equivalent of 1.4 million troops, the French still lost, and their KIA rate was three times ours. As usual, Rummy knew what he was doing. The war will be won in a year, and with a tenth of the troops that the French took to lose Algeria.

Sweet!
 
Written By: Tom W.
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The Dems are .0000034% responsible for the disaster that is Iraq. Some day, you will grow out of your shillness. Some day, you will get it _ BUSH DECIDED TO CREATE A FU**** UNSOLAVABLE PROBLEM NOT THE DEMS.

So Iraq wasn’t a problem prior to the invasion (I assume), is that correct? You honestly don’t think that we could back a Sunni strongman and reinstate a another Saddam-like regime? Would that not be a "solution"?

And even better, MK, if there isn’t a solution then there’s no particular reason to prefer Democrats over Republicans since the Democrats can’t fix this particular problem. Why should I give a new group a chance to make their own mistakes, hmm?

 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Does anybody notice that mkultra seems to be losing it? As if victory (American defeat in Iraq by pure unadulterated defeatism) is slipping from he and his fellow Leftists’ hands and there’s nothing they can do about it except impotently scream "NOOOOOOO!!!!"
 
Written By: Martin A. Knight
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’You know, Kerry must be incredibly self-delusional. ’

No shit sherlock. But add in his grandiose ambitions and you’ve got a combination for constant reelection from Massachusetts.
 
Written By: Jack Tanner
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Democrats prove once again that they are soft on terrorism. Lieberman is the only true voice of reason.
 
Written By: mrose
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Jon, you are the worst kind of GOP shill. You really, really are. I am sorry, but there is no other way to truthfully characterize your PR campaign for the wingers.
Since you have not yet demonstrated any capacity to understand the arguments I’ve made, I see no reason to cross swords with your strawman.

If you had an iota of non-partisan credibility, I might try to explain a bit more. You don’t.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Kerry wants to surrender: "The real struggle in Iraq - Sunni versus Shiia - will only be settled by a political solution," John Kerry http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0511/S00011.htm

He excludes elections as a form of "political solution", apparently. He wants to negotiate with the men with the car bombs.

While we are on the subject of who is to blame for this war, how about this one. The French and Russians who sold their UN vetoes to Saddam and convinced him that he need not comply with the peace treaty he made to end the first war, because they would stop the US from invading. Leading him to play cards he didn’t have, and undermining any peaceful means of removing Saddam. Oh yeah, and the UN for corruption the sanction program that the Democrats held out as the best hope. If I were a Democrat, I would be royally p.o.d at the French, Russians, Germans, and the UN for selling out sanctions as a method to pressure Saddam for filthy lucre.

But as a Democrat, you have dutifully erased all memory of this pre-war history from your groupthink, er I mean thinking, I am sure.
 
Written By: moptopy
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Sorry, my response was directed at mkultra.
 
Written By: moptopy
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I just saw the teaser on The Today Show this morning, because I had to go to work... but they had him on where John Kerry was apparently going to discuss "What he would have done in Iraq had he won the election" in an exclusive interview. Anyone catch it?
 
Written By: Nick
URL: http://schweitn.blogspot.com
Does anybody seriously think MKUltra gives a damn how many brown people are gassed or shoveled into mass graves, as long as he isn’t put to the inconvenience of having to watch it from the patio of his Starbucks?
 
Written By: richard mcenroe
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So, what, y’all were expecting a cogent, cohesive plan for Iraq from the Dems?? Don’t be too tough on Pelosi—this time next year she’ll be 3rd in line for the presidency—just ask Martin Frost
 
Written By: Kyda Sylvester
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MK’s irony meter must be broken, if he’s calling Jon a shill.

Scott: It’s long been apparent to me from observation of the splits in the Democrat party, and listening to my (D) friends talk (note that I live in Portland, Oregon, so things generally run pretty Left), that Joe Lieberman is, like Zell Miller, barely a Democrat at all by modern standards.

Which is a shame for the Democrat party - it’ll keep them from having a chance to win a damn thing, or deserving to, and for the Republicans - real competition would keep them in line and in form better.
 
Written By: Sigivald
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While we are on the subject of who is to blame for this war, how about this one. The French and Russians.... How about going back to Jimmy Carter. His betrayal of the Shah of Iran, which lead to the Mullahs rise to power, and the need for Saddam to feel he should be a counter balance, his disaterous war with Iran. Oh, and years of terrorism sponsored from Iran throughout the Middle East. Throw in Syria’s occupation of Lebanon, which could not have been possible w/o petro dollars
 
Written By: Captaink59
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