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Need an enemy? Blame the Jews
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, January 04, 2006

New Sisyphus has translated a portion of a speech given in Spanish by our good buddy Hugo Chavez. I don't speak Spanish and am therefore putting both the Spanish portion of the speech (below the fold) up as well as Sisphus' translation. Sisphus himself says he's done as well as he can and would welcome any corrections, as would I. But perusing the Spanish version and comparing it to the English version, I feel comfortable enough with the translation to post it as pretty darn close to the Spanish version.

That being said, guess what raised its ugly head in the Chavez speech? Take a look:
Translation: You [the audience] didn't have money, and where was that money? The money in Venezuela was concentrated with them...like it is in the world, for this is a worldwide phenomena, you know? I just finished reading early this morning the latest report from the United Nations about the world situation, and it's alarming because it says that today more than ever before, 2005 years after they killed Jesus Christ, because the world, the world, is worsening every day, every day, the riches of the world, because God, nature provides, the world has sufficent water for those who need water, the world has sufficent riches, land sufficient to produce foodstuffs for the entire world population, the world has sufficient stone and minerals for construction, so that there is no shortage for anyone who is living. The world has these things for all, sure, but because of some minorities, the decendents of those same people who killed Christ, the decendents of the same people who fought Bolivar, and also those who crucified them in Santa Marta, over in Colombia. A minority that has seized the riches of the world, a minority that has seized the gold of the planet, the silver, the minerals, the water, the good land, the oil, all these riches, well, and they have concentrated the riches in only a few hands: less than 10 percent of the world population has more than half the riches of the entire world..and more than half the entire population of the planet is poor and each day there are more poor in the entire world.
I'm certainly hoping my new friends, Hugo and Orlando, from the comments thread of my last Chavez post, will come by and set us all straight as they attempted, albeit poorly, to do last time.

As Sisphus points out:
It seems, as always, that "democratic socialism" has more in common with National Socialism than is apparent at first glance.
Hey, he has a point.

(HT: TinkertyTonk)

UPDATE: Orlando paid a visit and very unconvincingly argued that Chavez was talking about "capitalists" not Jews. Of course we all know it was the capitalists who are blamed for "killing Christ" 2005 years ago. [/sarcasm]

Meanwhile the Wiesenthal Center recognized it for what it is and condemned Chavez for his anti-Semetic talk and demands an apology.
 
No habia dinero y donde estaba el dinero?
El dinero en Venezuela se concentro... asi como en el mundo, porque esto es un fenomeno mundial saben? Acabo de leer esta madrugada el ultimo informe de la
Organizacion de Naciones Unidas sobre la situacion del mundo y es alarmante por eso es que digo que hoy mas que nunca antes jamas en 2005 anos nos hace falta Jesus el Cristo, porque el mundo, el mundo, se esta acabando el mundo cada dia, cada dia, la riqueza del mundo, porque Dios, la naturaleza es sabia, el mundo tiene agua suficiente para que todos tuvieramos agua, el mundo tiene riquezas suficientes, tierras suficientes para producir alimentos para toda la poblacion mundial, el mundo tiene suficientes piedras y minerales para las construcciones, para que no hubiera nadie sin vivienda. El mundo tiene para todos, pues, pero
resulta que unas minorias, los descendientes de los mismos que crucificaron a Cristo, los descendientes de los mismos que echaron a Bolivar de aqui y tambien lo crucificaron a su manera en Santa Marta, alla en Colombia. Una minoria se adueno de las riquezas del mundo, una minoria se adueno del oro del planeta, de la plata, de los minerales, de las aguas, de las tierras buenas, del petroleo, de las riquezas, pues, y han concentrado las riquezas en pocas manos: menos del diez por ciento de la poblacion del mundo es duena de mas de la mitad de la riqueza de todo el mundo y a la... mas de la mitad de los pobladores del planeta son pobres y cada dia hay mas pobres en el mundo entero.
 
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I didn’t know that Chavez had a mad on against the Romans...
 
Written By: shark
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Chavez is looking more like Pol Pot every day.
 
Written By: Ron
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Where IS Book, anyway?
(Snicker)

 
Written By: Bithead
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McQ
Since you insist,

Chavez was reffering to the capitalist who hold the world’s riches and yes most of them are jews.

Chavez has no beef with the jewish people, but because the US is controlled by zionists they will cry antisemitism in all major newspapers around the world to make Chavez look bad.

My opinion on the hollocaust is that it was a terrible thing that should have never happened but it did and worse yet it keeps happening, Rwuanda, Kosovo and others were also hollocaust but we don’t hear about that every year do we? perhaps those responsible for those attrocities just keep reminding the world of the only hollocaust that counts.
 
Written By: Orlando
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Forbes: World’s Richest People

So just how many of these people are Jews looking to take over the world, Orlando?
 
Written By: Rosensteel
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Chavez was reffering to the capitalist who hold the world’s riches and yes most of them are jews.

Yeah Orlando, and they (the "capitalists") killed Christ too, didn’t they? Anyone with any appreciation of history knows exactly to whom that refers and it isn’t "capitalists". In fact, I challenge you to find me a single reference to "capitalists" killing Christ.

Good grief. You should have stayed away if this apologia is the best you can muster.

Chavez has no beef with the jewish people, but because the US is controlled by zionists they will cry antisemitism in all major newspapers around the world to make Chavez look bad.

The US didn’t say this Orlando ... Chavez did. Or do you deny that as well?

My opinion on the hollocaust is that it was a terrible thing that should have never happened but it did and worse yet it keeps happening, Rwuanda, Kosovo and others were also hollocaust but we don’t hear about that every year do we? perhaps those responsible for those attrocities just keep reminding the world of the only hollocaust that counts.

You need to look up the term "red herring" Orlando. Not one bit of this has any bearing on whether Chavez was or wasn’t lashing out at Jews in his speech.

Capitalists! Just pathetic.
 
Written By: McQ
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capitalist who hold the world’s riches and yes most of them are jews
Please provide a list. (On preview I notice Rosensteel beat me to this point.)
the US is controlled by zionists
Again, a list of names might be helpful as evidence. How are these all-powerful jewish puppetmasters?
we don’t hear about that every year do we
I sure hear and read a lot about it every year in terms of critisizing the inability of the UN to actually accomplish anything. Maybe you should pay more attention?
perhaps those responsible for those attrocities just keep reminding the world of the only hollocaust that counts
Two points: 1) I rarely hear or read about jewish people reminding us of the holocaust. I only hear about it from people who either deny it happened or use it as a red herring in order to bash jews. 2) Are you claiming that jewish people are "those responsible" for the deaths in Rwanda and Kosovo?
 
Written By: JWG
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Chavez was reffering to the capitalist who hold the world’s riches and yes most of them are jews.
Incredible, since Jews only represent .227% of the world population... less than 15 million people in a world of almost 6.5 billion total.

... and how did the rich capitalists obtain these riches? Did they plunder it all? Or did they find a way to provide goods and services for which people were willing to pay money?
Chavez has no beef with the jewish people, but because the US is controlled by zionists they will cry antisemitism in all major newspapers around the world to make Chavez look bad.
Come on... look at yourself in the mirror, tell yourself to be an honest man, and then come back here and try to tell me that Chavez did not just denounce the Jews.

You can read it right there in black and white. Invoking the crucifixion of Christ? Accusing them of hoarding all the world’s wealth and keeping it from the poor when there’s plenty to go around? Telling a crowd of his countrymen that the Jews are to blame, that this is a worldwide phenomenon (dare I say it, accusing them of conspiracy)?

Perhaps I’ll let you do the mental gymnastics this time, so you can show us how thorough and intelligent your position is:
Why is Chavez’ speech not antisemitic in your opinion?
My opinion on the hollocaust is that it was a terrible thing that should have never happened but it did and worse yet it keeps happening, Rwuanda, Kosovo and others were also hollocaust but we don’t hear about that every year do we? perhaps those responsible for those attrocities just keep reminding the world of the only hollocaust that counts.
Actually, we do hear about that. All the time. We teach here about the Holocaust like it was the only thing that happened in World War II — kids here are more likely to read Anne Frank’s Diary than read accounts of the battles during that war. I see books that have won the Pulitzer Prize that talk all about genocide — I read a book called A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide that recalled in particular detail the Rwandan and Bosnian genocides, with a few further details on Cambodia, the Armenians in Turkey, and more. Everyone’s rather familiar with the word here in the US. We fought two wars against the Serbs to stop ethnic cleansing and genocide, and we went into godforsaken Somalia trying to stop the same. We denounced Saddam doing the same things (or aren’t you keeping up with your current events?) and, unlike the UN, actually took action with that as one of our rationales. In the TNL newsletter spawned by the QandO guys you keep criticizing, we’ve had RJ Rummel — who was in the final running for the Nobel Prize — expound many times on the concept of democide, which is states engaging in mass murder and genocide against their own people.

But go ahead, I think you were making a point.
 
Written By: OrneryWP
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In the last Chavez thread, I made mention of how Chavez and his movement reminded me of 1930’s Europe and Germany. I meant that quite literally and not in the normal internet ’Hitler’ kind of way. The way he used a combination of some degree of popular support and political trickery to cement himself in power.

Chavez’s rise relies (perhaps more & more) on using hatred. Now he’s focusing on the same ethnic group as well. The parrallels are increasing by the day.

I’ve also seen the Democrats start to use hate as a Campaign tool when it comes to Bush. It isn’t just the traditional campaign tools of fear or disgust, but its actually hate the Democrats hope to cultivate. Hate throws the last shreds of logic and perspective one may have had under the influence of fear or disgust completely out the window.

The problem with hate is that its a difficult emotion to sustain at high levels as a campaign tool. To keep the ball rolling the hate must be fed with ever increasing incriminating claims. Eventually, fantastical conspiracies and autrocities can and are sold to someone under the influence of hate.
 
Written By: John
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Maybe Orlando can use the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as part of his arguments. Since he’s heading in that direction anyways.

 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Chavez was reffering to the capitalist who hold the world’s riches and yes most of them are jews

Yeah! And we control the banks too! We all have a secret code that allows us to get into any goyims safe deposit box at any bank in the world! I LOVE BEING A CAPITALIST JEW!

Chavez has no beef with the jewish people, but because the US is controlled by zionists they will cry antisemitism in all major newspapers around the world to make Chavez look bad

I forgot to mention, we also control the worlds media! Anyone want pinch Sulzberger’s cell number, or Murdoch’s blackberry address?

My opinion on the hollocaust is that it was a terrible thing that should have never happened

Well, that’s awful nice and big of you fella. I’d gladly shake your hand if you could remove it from the white sheet.

You chump, the real "hollocaust" is the one you’re perpetrating against properly spelled words.....and rational thought.

Israel, run by those Joooos, will be prospering long after Chavez has run his country down into a stinking shitheap, like all socialista strongmen do.
 
Written By: shark
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Waitaminnit! The Jews are running this country? I thought it was run by fundamentalist Christians.

Damn, you go one one little vacation....
 
Written By: Steverino
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Zionist-tool McQ is just on another anti-semitic hunt here ...

The word is "anti-semetic."

And given your appearance, apparently it worked ... again.

Heh ...
 
Written By: McQ
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It seems to me that any group of people that knowingly lets itself be dominated by a very small minority for hundreds or thousands of years probably deserves it. It seems pretty clear, in this case, that the Jews are superior to the Aryans. Probably more evolved. Certainly smarter and more sophisticated. Better spellers, too. The natural order of things would seem to dictate that such superior beings deserve to rule, and the vast herd of inferior non-Jews deserves to follow.
 
Written By: timctual
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Here are just a few Rosensteel
Er...none of them were on the "Worlds Richest People" list, which was the point being made.


Your claims that all of these people are "dual Israeli citizens" is powerful evidence that you really are anti-semetic. You fear Chertoff because of the identity of his mother. You are a disgusting piece of work.

 
Written By: JWG
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You think I am exagerating or an antijew? you are wrong, jewish people are victims as well as Americans are, it is the zionists and Republicans that make the entire nations look bad.

Henry Ford Warned you about it.

Take a look at the book he wrote. "The International Jew"

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/intern_jew.htm

McQ,

I know what a red herring is, I also know what a red neck is!
 
Written By: Orlando
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I know what a red herring is, I also know what a red neck is!

Brilliant Orlando ... just brilliant ... like the rest of your stuff.
 
Written By: McQ
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Good grief. Here is the group to whom Book is linking so favorably: The Mundi Club
However, oomans are not merely devastating Wildlife. These preposterously a-moral, immoral, ’moral beings’, are murdering up to a hundred billion slave Animals in concentration, and extermination, camps. The creation of concentration and extermination camps is turning oomans into eco-nazis. The fact that oomans are causing the sixth mass extermination throughout the Earth’s entire history is proof that oomans are eco-nazis.

[...]

Humans are the only creatures who are aware of living on a planet. They are thus planetary beings. However, planetary beings have responsibilities for taking care of the Earth i.e protecting Biodiversity, stabilizing the climate, and creating a sustainable world. Oomans, on the other hand, do not regard themselves as planetary beings. If they are rich, they regard themselves as consumers. If they are poor, as people who ought to be consumers.
and
It is not possible to combat global burning without confronting the political and economic power of those who control the world i.e. global zionism. Zionists who own the media in brutland and america rarely cover global burning because they are more concerned about zionist expansionism than they are about the state of the environment. The zionists in the brutish and american governments do not take action to curb global burning for the same reason. It is not possible to take the action necessary to protect the Earth’s biosphere until the dominance of global zionism has been eradicated.
Hey, Book...are you human or ooman?
 
Written By: JWG
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Henry Ford Warned you about it.
I don’t think pointing to Henry Ford is a helpful argument in trying to claim Chavez has "has no beef with the jewish people".
 
Written By: JWG
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When is being anti-zionist the same as being anti-semitic?
Examples of the ways in which anti-Semitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

  • Denying the Jewish people right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Does any of this sound familiar to anyone?
 
Written By: JWG
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"No arguement here"

Since, evidently, the Jews are chosen by God to be your ruler, you had best make nice with them and stop saying bad things about them, lest God be angered and smite thee. Know your place and stay there. Respect your betters. Lese majeste, and all that.
 
Written By: timctual
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And, by the way, since McQ is a Zionist tool, he is serving the chosen of God, and should be respected, not mocked.
 
Written By: timctual
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Alternatively, IF the Jews/Joooos have been scheming for lo these thousands of years to control the planet and they haven’t succeeded by now... I’m not going to worry about them.
 
Written By: Joe
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Chavez came to power on a wave of popular support alright. But not through manipulation of the base fears and prejudices of the masses but because the majority of people in Venezuela live in dire poverty and wanted a change from the oligarchy that ruled the country.

60% of Venezuelans have no income at all.

Chavez has massively improved public health provision, provided subsidised healthy food for the poor and reorganised Veneuzela’s democracy - not to suit himself but to make the government more accountable. The democracy of Venezuela puts the US to shame. Chavez brought in recall elections for every elected official and he himself has sat a recall election and won. The Chavez alliance is about participatory democracy and the restribution of the wealth and power accumulated by the Venezuelan elite for private gain. Anybody who has followed the Chavez story would know this.

His movement has won 11 elections in 7 years. All endorsed my multiple international organisation. He has the support of the majority of the population there. Americans who think they know what’s best for Venezuelans poor (presumably the IMF policies that destroyed Argentina and provoked class riots in Bolivia) should remember that.

 
Written By: johnson
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Chavez has massively improved public health provision, provided subsidised healthy food for the poor and reorganised Veneuzela’s democracy - not to suit himself but to make the government more accountable. The democracy of Venezuela puts the US to shame.

Uh huh. We’ve heard all the propaganda before.

See if you can do a better job of answering the allegations found here than Hugo and Orlando did.
 
Written By: McQ
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For the record, there is no evidence that Michael Chertoff is an Israeli citizen. He could qualify, if he chose to pursue it, but there is absolutely nothing in his biography to support the idea that he has. (Unless you are already convinced that all Jews are liars and sneaks and participate in nefarious conspiracies.)
 
Written By: Phelps
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"Uh huh. We’ve heard all the propaganda before."

Unfortunately for the elites that used to run Veneuzela it is anything but propaganda. At least the vast majority of Venezuelans don’t think it is. Because they continue to elect Chavez and his supporters.

It’s interesting to see the attitude of certain groups when they’re faced with a leader who has policies they oppose - he’s authoritarian, a dictator (who has made the Venezuelan electorate sick of voting), he’s undermining democracy. It’s laughable when you look at the people they DO support. Chavez is an angel in comparison to his opposition.
 
Written By: johnson
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Unfortunately for the elites that used to run Veneuzela it is anything but propaganda. At least the vast majority of Venezuelans don’t think it is. Because they continue to elect Chavez and his supporters.

Well that’s one way of looking at it. The other is here. Pay particular attention to the way he has gained control of the reelection mechanism.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
As for the reelection mechanism - to take an example of how this works, the recall election of last year:

Chavez side picked one candidate, the opposition picked one candidate and the Chairperson of the three man team was a unity candidate agreed on by both sides.

The opposition, when it’s forced to run for election on equal terms with Chavez and not get everything it’s own way, then resorts to questioning the impartiality of the electoral council - the same council it agreed to. Some of them used the same tactic in the last election - they bullied and screamed and shouted until the government relented and came to an agreement with them. Then, when they realised how badly they were going to do, accused Chavez of cheating and withdrew from the elections. Even after all the their demands had been met.

So your accusation doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Particularly because the EU, the OAS and the Carter group have endorsed various elections.
 
Written By: johnson
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So your accusation doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Particularly because the EU, the OAS and the Carter group have endorsed various elections.

The Cater group has endorsed a lot of elections which were badly flawed.

Additionally, it isn’t an ’accusation’, it’s a litany of facts given by the author of the article I cite in the post. It would be worth your while to find a copy of it and read it before deciding, sight unseen, it has no validity.
 
Written By: McQ
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I can add plenty of facts myself. I can put spin on them. I can omit other relevant "facts".

The article is a bit of a joke. "Chavez took control of the military". Is the same military that tried to overthrow him? What a great job he did at that.

Also "Chavez engineered a new constitution". Is this the same consistution that was approved (by 80% iirc) in a referendum?

He took control of the oil company? You mean the President of Venezuela is actually using the state oil company for Venezuela’s benifit? Stop press. I think we have ourselves a dictator.

The training of reservists protects Chavez against external threats. Is this not fair? If for example, if tomorrow China was found to be organising a coup in Washington DC that would install a government that answered to China and had successfully toppled the democratically elected US government previously, would you accept the United States had to train and arm a large reserve force to protect itself from a reoccurance? I’m certain you would.

The disrespect law was brought in in retaliation against a vicious and determined right-wing assault against Chavez in the private media. The same media that labelled Mugabe (whatever you might think of him) as a "gorilla". The same media that accused Chavez of being mentally ill and having a sexual fixation with Fidel Castro. The owner of one station was the main man involved in the coup. The presenter of another "current affairs" show actually filmed a statement by the coup leaders during the coup in his private home.

I don’t like using that tone but painting Chavez as a totalitarian dictator is ridiculous and the idea deserves to be ridiculed. Whatever you say about Chavez, he has the support of a large majority of Venezuelans and he and his movement have been victorious in 10 or 11 elections & referenda. If you want to attack Chavez, attack his policies but attacking his democratic credentials only damages your position. As I’ve said, the elections are monitored by multiple international organisations including a hostile EU. The OAS and the Carter Center are also involved. Are you accusing the Carter Center of organising massive voter fraud? How was Chavez winning elections before he became President?

Your arguments are week, do not stand up to scrutiny and despite what you say that article contains mostly opinion and has no references. It’s difficult to treat it as credible.
 
Written By: johnson
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I can add plenty of facts myself. I can put spin on them. I can omit other relevant "facts".

The article is a bit of a joke. "Chavez took control of the military". Is the same military that tried to overthrow him? What a great job he did at that.

Also "Chavez engineered a new constitution". Is this the same consistution that was approved (by 80% iirc) in a referendum?

He took control of the oil company? You mean the President of Venezuela is actually using the state oil company for Venezuela’s benifit? Stop press. I think we have ourselves a dictator.

The training of reservists protects Chavez against external threats. Is this not fair? If for example, if tomorrow China was found to be organising a coup in Washington DC that would install a government that answered to China and had successfully toppled the democratically elected US government previously, would you accept the United States had to train and arm a large reserve force to protect itself from a reoccurance? I’m certain you would.

The disrespect law was brought in in retaliation against a vicious and determined right-wing assault against Chavez in the private media. The same media that labelled Mugabe (whatever you might think of him) as a "gorilla". The same media that accused Chavez of being mentally ill and having a sexual fixation with Fidel Castro. The owner of one station was the main man involved in the coup. The presenter of another "current affairs" show actually filmed a statement by the coup leaders during the coup in his private home.

I don’t like using that tone but painting Chavez as a totalitarian dictator is ridiculous and the idea deserves to be ridiculed. Whatever you say about Chavez, he has the support of a large majority of Venezuelans and he and his movement have been victorious in 10 or 11 elections & referenda. If you want to attack Chavez, attack his policies but attacking his democratic credentials only damages your position. As I’ve said, the elections are monitored by multiple international organisations including a hostile EU. The OAS and the Carter Center are also involved. Are you accusing the Carter Center of organising massive voter fraud? How was Chavez winning elections before he became President?

Your arguments are week, do not stand up to scrutiny and despite what you say that article contains mostly opinion and has no references. It’s difficult to treat it as credible.
 
Written By: johnson
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The OP is wrong and it’s easy to understand why.
First, the method used (bold typing on portions of the text, to give the text another meaning) is not honest. But the first ones who denounced this speech did even worse (cut/paste the text...).

In fact, you have the answer in the text itself :
"the decendents of those same people who killed Christ, the decendents of the same people who fought Bolivar"

Chavez refers more to the white race (and, it’s a Roman soldier who killed Jesus ....), not the Jews
(unless someone can prove that the Jews killed Bolivar ... nonsense !).
Hopefully, since this debate started, the Jewish community in Venezuela pointed out the misunderstanding (this controversy was mainly started by right wing groups).

Chavez is not to blame, the ones who use anti-semitism in a dishonest way are.
 
Written By: Anthony
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Forward has an excellent article about this:
http://www.forward.com/articles/7189
 
Written By: Jeremiah
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I’m soory but your translation seems rather biased.

1. Hugo Chavez (HC) said not "2005 years after they killed Jesus Christ", but, literally "2005 years we miss Him" //quite important, imho

2. "they have concentrated the riches in only a few hands: less than 10 percent of the world population" - ’they’ refers to the ~10% minority that has got the riches of the world and to the jewish minority only as part of the western wealthy world,, which is not, imho, understood from your translation. I don’t think one can argue with the thought itself.

There are also many small mistakes, including:

3. HC did not say "you don’t have money" , ne said "there is no money"

4. HC talks about people who "ousted" or "exiled" Bolivar, not about those who "fought" with him. I don’t think those were jews, btw.

As you may judge from my surname i am myself a jew but I think that falsifying someone’s words may not be justified
 
Written By: Alex Ostrovski
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As the person who translated it said, he gave it his best shot and there may be other interpretations and he would welcome any corrections:
Sisphus himself says he’s done as well as he can and would welcome any corrections, as would I.
But, of course, you seem to have missed that. So it doesn’t exactly fall in the realm of ’falsifying someone’s words’, does it?

Secondly, as I point out here, it’s really not a good argument to claim it wasn’t anti-Semitism, but instead racism at work.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
When the mistakes all fall in line with translator’s ideology I call that translation biased.

I read your "racism vs. anti-semitism" post. Heck, I don’t see any racism either! As a socialist HC blames those who have got the riches of the world. There are wealthy non-whites (in USA, Japan, Korea, Gulf countries etc.) and not so well-off caucasians, as you probably know.
 
Written By: Alex Ostrovski
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When the mistakes all fall in line with translator’s ideology I call that translation biased.

If he’d have said his translation was perfect, I might agree. But he didn’t and welcomed corrections. So your point is moot as best.

I read your "racism vs. anti-semitism" post. Heck, I don’t see any racism either!

Then reread the first line in your comment and go look in the mirror. Recall the terms "bias" and "ideology". Stir well.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
So you say that I am biased myself. That’s a really good argument... Do you have others?

p.s. I have read the "Venezuela: Competitive Autocracy, the new wave in Latin America?". I have to say that I agree with you almost 100%. However, leftist dictator does not equal to racist.
 
Written By: Alex Ostrovski
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So you say that I am biased myself. That’s a really good argument... Do you have others?

Actually all I was doing was playing back your argument to you. It’s an assumption with no base, isn’t it Alex? The man who did the translation said he did the best he could and would welcome corrections. You have to assume bias and ignore what he said to conclude he was biased in that case.

I have read the "Venezuela: Competitive Autocracy, the new wave in Latin America?". I have to say that I agree with you almost 100%. However, leftist dictator does not equal to racist.

Never said it did. Singling out a group of people by race for demonization does that all by itself (which, of course, if you read the article as you say you did, you understand that’s a standard tactic of this particular left wing dictator). And if you can’t find that intent in what Chavez is saying then you and I read his speech differently.
 
Written By: McQ
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http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9886

I think this should clear it up. Clearly Chavez’ reference to Bolivar and his reference to the 10% of people who own 50% of the world’s wealth means he was refering to the wealthy elite of this world. Whether he meant the elites who run empires or the people who benefit from it I’m not sure and also there are elites of other peoples - Africans, Asians who are fantastically wealthy & whose wealth generally comes from stealing their own peoples resources rather than other countries). Sure, some of them are Jewish but the vast vast majority of those are non-Jewish. Seeing as Jews number only 20 million and Chavez refered to the 700 million people who own 50% of the wealth and assuming that every Jewish person should be considered elite (given the relative poverty of Jewish immigrants from the former Soviet Union in Israel alone it’s a ridiculous assumption but just assuming...) Jews make up only 3% of the elite Chavez referred to. Chavez has only ever suggested that Bolivar was the victim of white imperialism and has never suggested it was a Jewish conspiracy so it’s clear that he didn’t make an anti-Semitic statement.

It is probably an attempt at propaganda.

 
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"Singling out a group of people by race for demonization does that all by itself"

ok, i am gonna repeat it for the third time: singling out a group of people by race or nation is racism. Singling out a group of people by their wealth even for "demonization" is not racism (you may call it communism, socialism or something else). Chavez obviously did the latter.

p. s. There 2 anti-Chavez mistakes, several neutral onesand 0 pro-Chavez ones in sysphus’ translation. Of course these can be just a coincidence (seriously). I have pointed them out at his site, so I hope he’ll find person who knows Espanol or look in the dictionary and change the translation. ¡Miraremos!
 
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ok, i am gonna repeat it for the third time: singling out a group of people by race or nation is racism.

Repeat for the seventh time for all I care ... his remarks were racist. Thos with the wealth were of a particular race (the race who "killed Christ" remember). Now that’s either the white Italians or the Jews.

You’re choice depending on how you choose to spin it. But there’s nothing which alludes to a class in particular.

Chavez obviously did the latter.

Uh, no. It wasn’t a "class" which "killed Christ".
 
Written By: McQ
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There further argument is, imho, pointless. Anyone who wants can read what was written here and make his/her conclusions.
 
Written By: Alex Ostrovski
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There further argument is, imho, pointless.

I agree, although I’m a bit surprised you’ve avoided confronting the fact that he referenced "Christ killers". I’m still wondering how that’s neither a religion or a race, but hey, you’re the one arguing it’s a class. So we will indeed leave others to their conclusions.
 
Written By: McQ
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McQ, try to find some anti-semitic words of Michelle Bachelet. She is south american, left-wing politic who has wun the election (i think she is a woman also) => she must be potential dictator, racist, communist etc. Good luck!
 
Written By: Alex Ostrovski
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Oh, quit whining Alex.

I have no problem with Michelle Bachelet’s election at all as I mentioned in another post.
Her victory extended the rule of the market-friendly, center-left coalition that has governed since the end Pinochet’s 1973-90 rule.
She’s simply more of the same in Chile which seems to have been doing relatively well under the center-left government she represents (and note the key description, "market-friendly" ... one of the big reasons why that is so).

I’ve made very clear what my problem with Chavez is and you’ve agreed with them after reading the article I cited. I see nothing Bachelet has said nor any indication that the government she’s a part of now has or will attempt to become an autocracy as has Chavez in Venezuela.

I’m still waiting for your answer to how the wealthy are historically agreed to be the killers of Christ. That’s the only argument which will give your class v. race claim any credence.
 
Written By: McQ
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To be exact the word is ’crucificaron’ - ’crucified’, not ’killed’. Well, I’m still waiting for newsisyphus to make corections and I still do not make conclusions about those mistakes.

Now, back to the argument. Jews are one item in Chavez’s list of peoples who have got the unproportionate (as he thinks) share of wealth.
 
Written By: Alex Ostrovski
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To be exact the word is ’crucificaron’ - ’crucified’, not ’killed’. Well, I’m still waiting for newsisyphus to make corections and I still do not make conclusions about those mistakes.
Good grief ... now you’re parsing. Amazing. Crucifiction was a death sentence for heaven sake. They didn’t crucify someone for a day or two and then let them go home.

This is now bordering on the absurd.

Now, back to the argument. Jews are one item in Chavez’s list of peoples who have got the unproportionate (as he thinks) share of wealth.

So you choose anti-Semitism. How very original. So who would be the others on Chavez’s list who got an "unproportionate" share of the wealth?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
1.
Crucifiction was a death sentence for heaven sake.
. Yeah, I know that. That’ sjust another mistake of sysyphus’. We are waiting for the corrections...

2. Look in the reference book and find countries with GDP per capita more than, say, $15000. I can’t read Chavez’s thoughts but the list would be pretty close.
 
Written By: Alex Ostrovski
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Orlando proves the recent ADL report that Hispanics of foreign origin - meaning not born in the United States - hold profound antisemitic/anti-Jewish views. Go to ADL.com to find this recent report.

Orlando...says that Jews control the world...he can think that...Hitler said that and look what happened to him, his country, and Europe.

I say that I would prefer if Orlando would not enter the United States and for Orlando to stay south of the border. Latin America is a good example of how not to run a country.

Latin American countries are poor, corrupt, backward, and always on the brink of coups.

Orlando is a jerk and a Fascist,to boot.
 
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