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Racism? Oh, well that’s all right then...
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, January 14, 2006

In their rush to defend the indefensible, people sometimes make arguments which are as bad, if not worse, than the one they're trying to defend.

Case in point. I highlighted a speech by Hugo Chavez in which I made the argument that he was engaging in anti-Semitism by citing those who "killed Christ" 2000 years ago. That particular euphemism is commonly used when an anti-Semite doesn't want to be considered as such.

Well it took a few days, but the apologists for Chavez finally came up with a defense, of sorts. He wasn't being anti-Semitic, for heaven sake, he's just a plain vanilla racist. Of course that's not how they presented it but that is the gist of their argument. From Anthony in a comment to the above cited post:
Chavez refers more to the white race (and, it’s a Roman soldier who killed Jesus ....), not the Jews (unless someone can prove that the Jews killed Bolivar ... nonsense !).

Hopefully, since this debate started, the Jewish community in Venezuela pointed out the misunderstanding (this controversy was mainly started by right wing groups).
No, it wasn't started by right wing groups; it was started by the speech in which Hugo Chavez used racial hatred as a tool to further his own political agenda. And while Anthony is correct in stating Jewish groups in Venezuela have indeed said it isn't about anti-Semitism, responding to the use of such racist language is not "starting" anything. Whether it is anti-Semitism or racism, the fact remains that he's attempting to use hatred against a specific group of people as an excuse for his political activities.

That brings us to Anthony's conclusion:
Chavez is not to blame, the ones who use anti-Semitism in a dishonest way are.
Heh ... right. Translation: It's bad to be anti-Semitic, but you can be a racist if the target group are white people. Since the target group wasn't Jews, those saying it was are dishonest and Chavez is blameless.

An amazing twist of logic if you can manage it.
 
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The first two-thirds of the speech focused on Jews specifically. Only the last 1/3 was somewhat nebulous in trying to link America to Jews. Either America (and the West) is just like the Jews or Jewish controlled or whatever. Saying it was about all about ’whitie’ in general is stretching the truth until it brakes. Its a shame that reading comprehension is so poor today that people can get away with lying about the words right in front of them.
 
Written By: John
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It’s called an attempt at "deniability", John. The problem with deniability in this case is the position of retreat is as egregious as the position denied.

It’s simply as stunningly poor attempt at rebuttal. Chavez’s defenders would simply have been better off remaining silent instead of mounting this atrocious defense in an attempt to slip around being labeled anti-Semitic. Now, to most, they’re considered both anti-Semitic and racist (although some would argue those two are one in the same).
 
Written By: McQ
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Book, I see nothing about zionism in Chavez’s speech. It was about the Jewish People. But I guess "no we’re anti-zionists" has become the pat defense against anti-semitism. Even when its not even close to being applicable.
 
Written By: John
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The argument used to rebut anti-Semitism has one flaw - the Jews in Caracas were the majority European population of the time. So if you claim that Chavez is referring to Europeans with the reference to "those who killed Christ", in the context he is also referring to Jews. It is true that two Jews did fight with Bolivar, but probably most of them became suspicious of him after initially supporting him. \
http://www.sefarad.org/publication/lm/042/2.html

Also, those who defend him from the charge of anti-Semitism by referencing "Liberation Theology" are shooting a little wild, because that is a blend of socialism, Catholicism and just plain old "kill the rich". The common conflation of banking interests with the Jewish people as a grounds for anti-Semitism is well known.

My personal interpretation is that Chavez is a demagogue and would be more than happy for his statement to appeal to anti-Semitic groups, or anti-European groups or any other group against which his listeners hold a grudge, as long as Chavez manages to walk away with their support. Also, Chavez does associate with influential Venezuelan "intellectuals" who have written explicit and detailed anti-Semite arguments. Chavez is openly and strongly seeking alliance with countries that are explicitly and rabidly anti-Semitic.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0RMQ/is_44_10/ai_n14895831
Chavez first ran for president on a reform platform, winning in a landslide. What few understood then was that Chavez planned to revolutionize the country following a plan masterminded by his longtime friend Norberto Ceresole, an Argentinian writer infamous for his books denying the Holocaust and his conspiracy theories about Jewish plans to control the planet.

The title of Ceresole’s 1999 book on Chavez and Venezuela, Caudillo, Ejercito, Pueblo ("Leader, Army, People"), eerily recalls the German national socialist maxim, "One People, One Country, One Leader." (The first chapter is titled "The Jewish Question and the state of Israel.") After denying the Holocaust, he explains that the greatest threat to Chavismo comes from the Jews of Venezuela. A self-described Communist and fascist, Ceresole became an expert in national socialism after designing Juan Domingo Peron’s electoral platform in Argentina. In Ceresole’s hands, representative democracy mutates into "participatory" systems led by cult-like figures; tellingly, Chavez praises the "participatory democracy" of Libya, Syria, Iran, and Cuba.
 
Written By: MaxedOutMama
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Book, where in the world do you come up with that interpretation in the document you linked to? The word racist doesn’t even appear in the text.
 
Written By: Larry
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Gosh...is McQ again going to pretend that those who don’t support Israel are anti-Semitic?
Is Book going to link to Jew Watch again in order to "bone up a bit on the facts" and pretend he’s not anti-semitic?

Wikipedia has a little description about Book’s "fact"-filled website.

 
Written By: JWG
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you can be a racist if the target group are white people
Oh. Sorry... for a moment you sounded just like Jesse Jackson.(grin)
 
Written By: Bithead
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Ironic that McQ is forbidden to move to Israel but is allowed to immigrate to Argentina-then calls Chavez the racist. Hilarious.

For those of you wondering, this is an example of a non sequitur. And yes, it’s a logical fallacy, but what, you were expecting better?

And yes, to answer your other question, Chavez is in Venezuela, not Argentina but again, given the non sequitur, no real surprise there, huh?
 
Written By: McQ
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What does being Jewish have to do with race?
 
Written By: Steverino
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Program on the emergence of civilization.

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. "
Favor.
And disfavor.

They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it’s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

The roots of racism are not of this earth.

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.


Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management/positioning:

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I’m too old and rich for this."

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.
An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar; tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.

I don’t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.

They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won’t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

I offer an example of historical proportions:::

People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family’s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people’s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

The coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton’s WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants and assign them polar opposites:::
Coke and Pepsi (?)
BestBuy and CircutCity
Energizer and Duracell
Republican and Democrat
The list goes on and on:::
AMD and Intel
Microsoft and Apple (?)
Lowes and HomeDepot
Sam’sClub and Costco
WellsFargo and BofA. For the longest time in CA these two banks reigned supreme.
Pier1 and CostPlus
Borders and Barnes&Noble
PetCo and PetSmart


Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn’t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren’t their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the correct way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient’s hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.


Jewsus Christ is a religious figure of evil. He teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.
The seperatist churches formed so they could capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

Since Buddism doesn’t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Asian representation is instead fully selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian’s Jewsus Christ::: bad for the people. It was a clue they both emerged at the same time. Timing may be a clue alluding to ranking.

Simpson’s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "Last one you ever suspect."
"You’ll see lots of nuns where you’re going:::hell." St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move. It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
The similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence.

Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.
For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of the elite’s methodology.
Jews were ostracised for a reason.


Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because we attacked an antient, revered peoples. Our continued presence keeps us in trouble.
When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.


All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.
All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.



Mumia Abu-Jamal

Dhoruba Bin Wahad

Assata Shakur

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Malcolm X

Che Guevara

Black Panthers
 
Written By: grandpa stole bets
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McQ

"You have interfered in the political status, in the security, and in the well-being of our community. You have acted on your own, without consulting us, on issues that you don’t know or understand," states a draft of the letter obtained by the Venezuelan Jewish community.

Remember the term red herring? that is exactly what you are doing!

Your hate for Chavez is so obvious! why? don’t you have better subjects to discuss? looks like any little thing Chavez does is a big deal to you.

Just like you did to Saddam, braiwashing weak American minds with your propaganda so that you can go and kill innocent people and steal their natural resources.

McQ, you are racist. Zionist? most likely.
 
Written By: Orlando
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Just like you did to Saddam, braiwashing weak American minds with your propaganda so that you can go and kill innocent people and steal their natural resources.

Heh ... yeah, Orlando, Saddam was a real peach, wasn’t he?

McQ, you are racist. Zionist? most likely.

Ah, good ... you and our resident anti-Semite will get along famously.

Oh, and Orlando? You’ve yet to offer anything substantial in rebuttal to my posts about Chavez.

Nada. Zip. Zero.

Nothing.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
What can be more racist than a JEWS ONLY immigration policy

So what races are excluded, the black jews, or the white ones?
 
Written By: shark
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Look, Chavez’s comments weren’t racist or anti-Semitic. His point was that a wealthy minority has always targetted those who spoke out on behalf of the poor because it threatens their world. Clearly this was true in the time of Jesus and in the world today.

Jewish leaders in Venezuela acknowledge this, that’s why they rushed to Chavez’s defense in this matter even though they are not fans.

Please re-read the story in the Jewish weekly Forward (http://www.forward.com/articles/7189) to see their comments, along with those of the American Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Committee—all of whom say that the comments were clearly not anti-Semitic, and bashed the Wiesenthal center for not consulting actual Venezuelan Jews before rushing to judgement
 
Written By: eintergreen
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What can be more racist than a JEWS ONLY immigration policy?
Rather than point to other countries that forbid Christians or Jews from accessing certain rights, let me challenge your assertion. Are you seriously trying to argue that Israel only allows Jews to become legal citizens?
JWG: Actually, I linked to and quoted the U.S. State Department.
So you’re denying that you ever linked to Jew Watch as a resource for "facts"? I only remind you when you try to claim you’re being unfairly accused of being anti-semitic. Your past comments demonstrate that you go beyond dislike of Israeli policy.
 
Written By: JWG
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Oh, I forgot...Book, why do you once again jump in to attack Israel when the post had nothing to do with Israel? Hmmm...
 
Written By: JWG
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Uh...Book...The post IS ABOUT Chavez...not Israel. Not everyone sees Israel as the root of all evil.

If you don’t like the nature of the posts...start your own blog.

 
Written By: JWG
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Look, Chavez’s comments weren’t racist or anti-Semitic.

Actually, per other interpretations, they were both.

He took a cheap shot at a racial group or he took a cheap shot at a religious group. Just saying he didn’t isn’t the most convincing of arguments.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
The post IS ABOUT Chavez...not Israel. Not everyone sees Israel as the root of all evil.

Don’t waste your pixels JWG ... he thinks Chavez is from Argentina. Not only that, he thinks only jews are citizens of Israel.

You expect better?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Israel and Venezuela in 2005
by Mohamed Elmasry
(Wednesday January 11 2006)

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"...we must ask; where are Canada’s media with respect to news from Latin America? In a word, nowhere. The Canadian media totally ignore the struggle of Latin American countries against the bullying tactics of the U.S. – a struggle not unlike that which Canada itself wages against blatantly unfair American trade practices. In fact, Canadians have a duty as historically entwined friends of the U.S. to tell Americans that less greed is good for everyone. Why are we not doing so?"


————————————————————————————————————————


On examining western media coverage of Israel, you soon discover that this tiny state receives intensive — and mostly positive — coverage. It is rare to read any negative news, critical editorials, or adverse commentary on Israel in any mainstream western newspaper.

Even recent news about the current Israeli prime minister’s eating habits, heart problems and illness has received ample coverage; if not on the front pages, at least in the first five pages. In short, Israel attracts a level of positive media coverage which, if paid for at going public relations rates, would cost millions of dollars per year.

This comes in distinct contrast to the media coverage given to other countries that are more newsworthy. Take Venezuela, for example. This major South American nation of 25 million people was virtually ignored throughout 2005. What little coverage happened was mostly negative — no informative analysis or features, no human interest stories, no in-depth editorials; not much even in the travel section.

You may well ask why there is such a geographical imbalance in the western media, which likes to lay claim to traditional values such as the search for truth and the maintenance of journalistic "freedom."

Here you may find some answers...

The George Bush administration hates Hugo Chavez, the elected president of Venezuela. Thomas Shannon, American Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs, described him only weeks ago as "a threat to regional stability."

Why? you may ask — It is because Chavez is not a posturing dictator, but a democratically elected head of state. His election was reported to have been free and fair by independent observing bodies such as the Organization of American States (OAS) and the Carter Centre. But Mr. Shannon went even further by asserting that "democracy in Venezuela is in grave peril."

Again, you may well ask, why is this so? The plot thickens — you see, Chavez is a national hero to his people because he stands against America’s exploitation of his nation’s wealth. He is outspoken against American imperial designs, not only on his own continent, but in other regions such as Iraq and the Middle East. Even more dangerously, he is a longtime friend of Cuban leader Fidel Castro who has been on the U.S.’s bad-boy list from day one.

And Chavez openly sides with his nation’s poor; that is, most of Venezuela’s 25 million citizens. He is determined to fight the drug trade and the organized crime syndicates behind it; to lessen his country’s dependence on finite natural resources (including oil); and to create a larger, more prosperous middle-class through the redistribution of national wealth.

Moreover, Chavez also committed a major sin (in Washington’s eyes) by buying weapons from Spain, rather than from U.S. sources. And his social justice agenda is catching on elsewhere in South America; Bolivia’s Evo Morales won last month’s presidential election on a platform that placed greater emphasis upon social justice.

Now other Latin American countries, like Argentina, Brazil, and even Chile, are seeing the U.S. as a greedy and arrogant superpower which historically exploited them and continues to do so — not only through unfair globalization favouring the rich and powerful, but also through the insincere promotion of so-called democratic reforms.

The U.S. tried very hard to undermine Chavez’s presidency by backing marginal opposition groups which have no grass roots support. But in the December (2005) National Assembly elections, candidates backed by Chavez won a substantial majority.

Opposition interests, backed by Washington, claimed the elections were not free and fair; that press freedom is threatened; and that human rights are not respected in Venezuela. But the elections were judged free and fair by independent observers in contrast to criticisms by the Venezuelan media, which are still mainly owned by opposition interests. The court system has been reformed, however, and human rights have been extended to the general populace as never before.

Now we must ask; where are Canada’s media with respect to news from Latin America? In a word, nowhere. The Canadian media totally ignore the struggle of Latin American countries against the bullying tactics of the U.S. – a struggle not unlike that which Canada itself wages against blatantly unfair American trade practices. In fact, Canadians have a duty as historically entwined friends of the U.S. to tell Americans that less greed is good for everyone. Why are we not doing so?

Hugo Chavez will most likely win Venezuela’s 2006 presidential election, and the next one in 2012. And if current trends hold true, he will win them both fair and square. His popular policies will also gather increased support from other Latin American countries. So it would be a wise move for Washington to get used to him — and his growing bloc of influence — now, rather than later.

The Bush administration (and its successors) will be much further ahead dealing with a democratically elected president of Venezuela, instead of trying to undermine him in the interests of short-term benefits for America’s rich and greedy minority.
 
Written By: Orlando
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Uh, Orlando...is there a point in comparing media coverage of Israeli events to those of Venezuela?

Please tell me it’s not because "Jews control the media," because that would be more evidence of anti-semitism on your part.

 
Written By: JWG
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What we must ask is whether Orlando’s only talent is cut and paste or whether Orlando can articulate his own thoughts. My guess is "no".

From the cut and paste:
On examining western media coverage of Israel, you soon discover that this tiny state receives intensive — and mostly positive — coverage. It is rare to read any negative news, critical editorials, or adverse commentary on Israel in any mainstream western newspaper.
Irrelevant. I’m not the "western media" and I’m talking about Venezuela (although the local anti-Semite thinks we’re talking about Argentina, not that anyone is particularly surprised by that).

Hugo Chavez will most likely win Venezuela’s 2006 presidential election, and the next one in 2012.

Yes, he most likely will and for exactly the election rigging reasons I outlined here and you’ve never come close to rebutting. In fact, you’ve studiously avoided all the points in that post Orlando.

Why is that?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
JEWS ONLY
Uh...Book...go back and read your own quote in your 3rd comment. You even made the phrase "Arab citizen" bold.
while McQ points his finger instead at Chavez in Venezuela
Book...start your own blog or get some medication to help with your obsessive disorder. Not every post needs to reference your disagreements with Israel’s policies. Do you have a disagreement or agreement with anyone about the interpretation of Chavez’s speech?
 
Written By: JWG
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JWG

I am anti-zionist and anti-Bush

I do not hate Americans nor Jewish people. They are victims also of their own goverments.

The root of all evils are the pentagon and the CIA.

History tells us of all your wrong doings and more to be brought to light as days go by.

McQ
Cut and paste is my gift from the all mighty. I am not at your level to engage in the discussions of your lies.

Hey... what about Iran, do you think they will fry you guys some day? or are you frying them first? I bet you guys are going to win this one also.





 
Written By: Orlando
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JWG might want to spend some time here since he won’t understand that JEWS ONLY is the official Israel immigration policy.

Do you understand that policy is a matter of national security for that nation? Because if allowed, arabs would migrate there in unlimited numbers to kill Israel with a demographic bomb. In fact, that plan is clearly stated by the palestinians, with their pushing for a right of return. So I’m sorry, but survival of a nation trumps some little PC fairyland notion of racism you have.

At any rate, no country treats all potential immigrants equally. The United States doesn’t, etc. We have differing policies on who we will allow, when we will allow and why we will allow. The fact that you’re harping on holding Israel to a standard that you don’t care about anyone flaunting is yet more proof of your pathetic mindset.

You’re simply going to have to do better than that. Yelling over and over your point simply doesn’t make it so.

 
Written By: shark
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Apparently, Book seems to think that the Jews are a race, and not members of a religion. I stopped taking him seriously long ago, but he used to be fun to hold up to ridicule. Now it’s just pathetic. Playing the same note over and over may work for Philip Glass, but not for Book.
 
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Cut and paste is my gift from the all mighty.

That I believe, such that it is.

I am not at your level to engage in the discussions of your lies.

Funny how they’re always "lies" when you have no credible rebuttal, huh Orlando?

Hey... what about Iran, do you think they will fry you guys some day? or are you frying them first? I bet you guys are going to win this one also.

Who knows? But we’re talking about it on another thread, not that I think you’d be able to manage a meaningful contribution to the discussion if past contributions are any indication.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
I congratulate you on not even processing any of my points....as I mentioned, keep repeating the same mantra doesn’t make it so.
 
Written By: shark
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he won’t understand that JEWS ONLY is the official Israel immigration policy.
So you’re trying to argue that it is impossible for anyone other than a Jew to become a citizen of Israel?


From the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Any gentile, be he Arab or from any other origin, who wishes to settle in Israel, may do so if he meets the requirements set forth in the Law of Entry to Israel (1952) and the Law of Citizenship (1952), regarding naturalization.
 
Written By: JWG
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is intended for the repatriation of the Jewish People to the Jewish State
Seriously, Book...are you just so full of hate that you can’t see straight? Where is it stated that Israel is EXCLUSIVELY for Jews? It may be predominately for Jews, but non-Jews are and can be citizens. If you are making an argument about the Palestinian "Right of Return" then rant away (once again)...but that is different than your demonstrably false assertion that non-Jews cannot be citizens.
 
Written By: JWG
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Saudi Arabia...The Most Racist Country On Earth!
the law requires that all citizens be Muslims
Oh, wait...


Iran...The Most Racist Country On Earth!

Religious minorities, by law and practice, are barred from being elected to a representative body...and from holding senior government or military positions...All religious minorities suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing.
Or maybe...


Pre-US Occupied Iraq...The Most Racist Country On Earth!

In 1950, the Iraqi parliament passed a law called Ordinance for the Cancellation of Iraqi Nationality for Jews, Law No. 1 that stripped Iraqi Jews of their citizenship. In 1951, the Iraqi parliament passed another law, confiscating all Jewish property.
[/Non-Anti-Semitic Book]
 
Written By: JWG
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The United States doesn’t have an exactingly equal immigration policy towards everyone either...guess we’re the most racist nation on earth also!!

Again, holding Israel to a (false, made up) standard you don’t care about holding anyone else to...now what do we call that?
 
Written By: shark
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This is an off topic observation. But what the heck... this post has forty-three comments as of now, so what’s one more, right?
[...]
The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move. It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
The similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence.
[...]
Written By: Grandpa Stole Bets
You see,
This is what happens when prescription drug prices get too high for the elderly.
Someone make Grandpa take his medicine.
;)
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Personally, I found the multiple references to "Jewsus Christ" to be quite entertaining.
This is what happens when prescription drug prices get too high for the elderly.
Yes, I got to the point where I couldn’t really have serious discussions with my 95 year old grandmother and it was kind of a sad point in my life. She saw conspiracies everywhere. I wonder if she was always a latent conspiracy nut, or if her mind just sort of shifted away from her.
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
Lemme guess...shark want’s to call that...um...anti-Semitic? Hilarious.

Okay... I know I shouldn’t, but...
(sigh)
I’ll bite...

What does Abramoff being Jewish have anything to do with anything?
(I gotta know!!)
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
"Why are questions about Abramoff and Israel frequently dismissed by labeling the questioner "anti-Semitic" as if that label automatically precludes further inquiry?"

Because absent any actual evidence that he did what he did because he was ostensibly Jewish or because he was intentionally furthering Israeli interests, the presumption that was a motivation of his can most reasonably—and quite reasonably—be presumed to be Anti-Semitism on the part of the person bringing up the unsupported possibility.

Like what you’ve done, Book.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
URL: http://
Why are questions about Abramoff and Israel frequently dismissed by labeling the questioner "anti-Semitic" as if that label automatically precludes further inquiry?

Well that’s easy. Because the questions surrounding Abramoff do not encompass his religious beliefs. The questions are about his criminal conduct. And if one were to deduce that Abramoff’s criminal conduct is interdependent upon his religious beliefs, then one is rightly labeled an Anti-Semite. Get it?
And yes, it precludes any further inquiry.

Until you can establish a relation between Jack’s criminal conduct to his religious affiliation, all mention of him being Jewish is irrelevant. And to do so only enforces others to discount your opinions at a steadfast rate.

Look,
My wife is a secular Jew. And being married to her for a number of years (I’ve forgotten how many, I’m guessing… a million, but no worry…she doesn’t read this blog) and knowing her family and their history as I do, has only reinforced my belief that there is no “Zionist conspiracy”.

My wife is also liberal; so over the years, her influence on me has brought about a prejudicial belief that there is inherent good in people. And I can sense good in you, Book.

What you need to do, is discard any and all inclinations that the world is on fire due to too many menorahs. Doing so will give you greater credibility and respectability, especially to those who read and write on this site.

Hey, man. We’re here to help.
(fair warning though, I’ve inferred that there is good in everything… but I’m here to tell you, there is nothing good about matzo balls. They’re disgusting.)


Ah. I see that Tom has touched on this a little, already.
(see Tom, we can find common ground, eh?)
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
For someone who calls themselves "book", it seems as if you’ve read precious few...
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
"1) Let’s agree that the world is also not on fire due to too many anti-Semites too?"

Uh. What world are you on?

The world I’m on is set for having parts of it heated to a few tens of thousands of degrees by anti-semites. Places called Tel Aviv.

"2) Discarding any and all inclinations of smearing readers and writers with the "anti-Semitic" label will give this QandO website greater credibility and respectability too?"

Then don’t link approvingly of and for "evidence" to anti-Semitic sites. It gives one a rep.

Oh wait. Too late.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
URL: http://
Dude…

NO NO NO NO…
This is a quote from your link…
Nowadays, an orthodox Jew can run for the most powerful office on earth, the president of the United States (I personally hope he doesn’t win)
You’re off to a horrible start. Now pull your pants back up and start over again.

There is reasonable and justifiable criticism of Israeli foreign and domestic policy. The fact that the Jewish state is Jewish is not one of them.

But I appreciate the effort.

Now,
Stop eating paste and let’s begin again.
(OK, that was a cheap shot)
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Since your "prescription-drug pricing" hijack didn’t work and since your nice-guy cajoling didn’t work, maybe PogueMahone might want to specifically address the "anti-Semitic" basis of:

The “prescription” thingie was a gag. Which should have been evident from the ending emoticon. But let’s save ourselves some time, shall we? I know I bit the first time, but I can tell you that you’re fishing in the wrong pond. And your bait is unappealing.

...are you going to address the actual issues or just try to fool the goyim like shark and JWG by pointing and yelling and hiding behind "You anti-Semitic!!!"? Hilarious
.

Lol. You’re addressing shark and JWG’s criticism of you by calling them goy’ish!? You see, Book. It’s not just your reasoning, it’s also your choice of words that reinforce the Anti-Semitic label you baselessly disagree with.
You may indeed have valid criticism regarding Zionism. There are no doubt questions surrounding Israeli foreign and domestic policy. But you must present those arguments using comity and logic; and in the proper forum. To do so would be considered Kosher by all. :)

Pretend your wife won’t notice as you actually address these issues one-by-one.


Actually, my wife has even greater criticism of Israel than I do. And we joke around with each other regarding our respective race and creed.
I call her, “my precious little Mongrel”.
She calls me, “my darling dirty Mick”.

…since your nice-guy cajoling didn’t work,

Oh, make no mistake. I am truly an asshole.
Although, those who know me… love me.

What can I say…
It’s a gift.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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