Size Matters Posted by: Dale Franks
on Wednesday, January 18, 2006
The blogosphere is jumping into this Republican house leadership election in a big way. There's nothing wrong with that. Everybody's got a right to express their opinions. We signed onto N.Z. Bear's petition, and I'll be taking part in tomorrow's conference calls with at least one of the people, John Shadegg, who've declared for the Majority Leader's spot.
But really, all this stuff about Congressional ethics (Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! That phrase just kills me.) is a tempest in a teapot. It doesn't matter what the current ethical bugaboo is. It could be Jim Wright's speaking fees, Newt Gingrich's book deal, Jack Abramoff, private travel, whatever.
Those things are the symptoms. They aren't the problem.
Of course there's corruption in government. What else do you expect when the government has its fingers into practically every aspect of daily life?The problem that leads almost directly in a straight line to this corruption is the size and scope of the Federal Government. It goes back to the old Goldwater/Ford formulation: A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have. An observation, by the way, that the Kelo decision makes particularly trenchant.
The Federal government is shelling out $2.5 trillion per year on everything from studies about the average length of stewardess' noses, inspecting oranges to ensure that every orange sold for sale is at least 2" in diameter, to paying farmers to grow particular things—or nothing at all—to any of thousands of things that Federal money is funneled into.
A government that large and that involved with everyday life is a magnet of corruption. There are fortunes to be made and lost based on what the government's policy is. It's no longer a few industrialists and railroad tycoons that are seeking federal pelf. It's everyone. If you have kids—or are a teacher—it's No Child Left Behind. For everybody else it's free medical care and prescription drugs when you get old. Not to mention that guaranteed pension, provided by taking money from the current generation of workers.
Of course there's corruption in government. What else do you expect when the government has its fingers into practically every aspect of daily life? For big government to be to some extent corrupt government follows as night follows the day. As long as there's money to be made from government policy, there'll be lobbyists eager to spread some of it around in Congress, and Congress members who are happy to take the money.
As hard as it might be to believe today, prior to the 1930s, the Federal Government just wasn't a big deal for most people. It certainly didn't matter much in their daily lives, unless we entered one of the periodic times when foreigners needed to be killed.
If you really want to reduce corruption in government, then ethics rules, as useful or psychologically satisfying as they may be, aren't the answer. The answer is to drastically reduce the size and scope of the government. A government that exercises few powers from which fortunes can be made is a government where fewer people have any incentive to corrupt Congress for personal gain.
If you really want to reduce corruption in government, then ethics rules, as useful or psychologically satisfying as they may be, aren't the answerIf you don't want to do that, then carping about ethics in Congress is pointless. If you want your big federal government, then you're gonna have to resign yourself to the fact that none of your attempts to muzzle the oxen that tread out that expensive Federal grain are going to be effective. As long as you're funneling out two and a half trillion smackers every fiscal year, then there are going be plenty of hogs gathering at that trough.
For instance, look at campaign finance reform. As soon as we ran Dick Nixon out of Washington like some kind of poison troll, we immediately embarked on an ongoing 30-year crusade to take money out of politics. So far, the main results I can see from that crusade has been to significantly limit free speech, and through the reductions in giving limits, to force politicians to begin scheduling fund raisers the day they win election to Congress, in order to pay for their re-election campaigns. So, now, we can’t even publicly mention a political candidates freakin' name for two months prior to an election, and legislators spend three or four nights a week whoring themselves out at $1,000-a-plate rubber-chicken events.
And we're all stunned and confused that Congress members drool in anticipation every time a lobbyist hints that campaign funds might be forthcoming if the legislator votes a certain way on a certain bill. "What?!" we shrill. "The very idea! How gross and corrupt!"
Yeah. Pull the other one. Claude Rains was more convincing than that when he shut down Rick's Café Americaine.
Here is an example of what I presume is a lobbyist(s) getting a return on his campaign contributions... Congress snuck in a provision to the ATF authorization that basically guts any chances of gunmakers being sued successfully by cities and states.
As much as I disagree with the premise of gunmakers being held liable for what criminals do with guns, I hate the idea that a few thousand dollars in some Congressman’s bank account was probably all it took for Congress to stick its nose into what is definitely a local matter. And, even if this wasn’t the result of a campaign contribution for vote quid pro quo, it still is evidence of the extent to which Congress feels it appropriate to stick its nose into everything.
Are there any other pro-gun types (or, maybe it is more accurate to say, anti-anti-gun types) willing to condemn this as well?
Shadegg, like DeLay, supports replacing the Income Tax with H.R. 25, the "FairTax" bill currently in committee. The Internal Revenue Code fuels the activities of almost 1/2 the lobbyists in Washington, DC.
How Business Income Tax, Lobbyists, and Politicians Distort Markets
(Anti-Lobbyist, Pro-Worker Plan) Taxing income gives politicians power to grant exemptions, deductions, and tax credits to different organizations and businesses. Tax lobbyists in Washington DC exist to ensure their clients win a piece of the action – while average, wage-earning families pick up the tab. By ending the income tax, and replacing it with a retail consumption tax, called the FairTax, the people fairly choose “winners and losers” with the power of their pocketbooks.
Under the FairTax (H.R. 25, if enacted), companies (which investors own) will no longer have need of tax lobbyists which distort the very markets investors cherish.
With income and payroll taxes *gone*, and massive tax compliance consultants and employees dismissed, businesses will no longer need to make market moves according to Washington bureaucrats.
Prices will ease, and markets will boom, as businesses re-focus resources around competition and research / development.
Unlike the Income Tax, the FairTax aligns tax collections with a growing economic pie, dispensing with central-planning politicians and self-seeking lobbyists. Look, listen, share - and increase financial freedom in America: http://tinyurl.com/7lssy
(If you feel - as I do - that this is a profoundly *sane* idea,
join the effort - and *forward* this important gateway post to an associate or two.)
The matter is specifically addressed in the Constitution, so it is federal in nature. It’s perfectly Constitutional and sound doctrine for the national goverment to stick its nose in to keep local noses out of a matter that cannot constitutionally be anyone’s concern.
It’s an issue where Congress should stick it’s nose.
Unless you want to repeal the 2nd or amend 14th to exclude the 2nd.
Of course, I can offer one history lesson in how the Feddle Gummint used to be even worse. Until about 1900, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York - with jurisdiction over the Port of New York - was paid not a salary but a percentage of fines and tariffs collected. At the time they switched to a salary, the US Attorney was making over $100,000 per year - in the 19th Century.
Of course there’s corruption in government. What else do you expect when the government has its fingers into practically every aspect of daily life? For big government to be to some extent corrupt government follows as night follows the day.
Who says we can’t fix government? The people who don’t want government fixed, of course.
Size has nothing to do with it.
This is from Democracy Now:
As Connecticut Republican Gov. John Rowland face possible impeachment, we are going to take a look today at corruption within state governments. Corporate Crime Reporter is releasing a report today titled "Public Corruption in the United States." The report ranks the 10 most corrupt states and the 10 least corrupt states.
The report is being released at a time when public corruption scandals are breaking out all over the country. The former Governor of Illinois, George Ryan, has been charged with taking money, gifts and loans in exchange for handing out state contracts to his donors. In Connecticut, three mayors and the state treasurer are in jail or heading to jail. And the Governor is under siege in a soap opera of a corruption scandal.
According to the report, the ten most corrupt states in the country are: Mississippi, North Dakota, Louisiana, Alaska, Illinois, Montana, South Dakota, Kentucky, Florida, and New York.
The ten least corrupt states in the country are: Nebraska, Oregon, New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado, Utah, Minnesota Arizona, Arkansas, and Wisconsin.
Is North Dakota bigger than Colorado? Are Louisiana and Missippi bigger than Minnesota? Indeed, if you look at the most corrupt states, the Dakotas, Montana and Alaska are some of the least populous states and presumably have much smaller than average governments.
Size doesn’t matter at all when it comes to corruption. This is the empirical evidence, not unsupported speculation.
What does matter? Well, for example, look at the least corrupt states. Just a guess, but what they probably share in common - ironically - are strong public school systems. I would bet everything I own that the schools in Nebraska, Oregon, New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado, Utah, Minnesota, Wisconsin, are better than the public schools in Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alaska, Florida, the Dakotas, and Illinois. Good public schools make engaged public citizens, which is the best defense against corruption. But then conservatives and self-styled libertarians would have one believe that public schools are evil; the tool of the devil, and that public school teachers are hell bent on destroying America. Plus, they are (ohmigod) public employees. For that sin alone they should burn at the stake.
This is but one factor. There are others. But the idea that more government necessarily equals more corruption is one of those fortune-cookie type slogans that self-styled libertarians love to espouse. It has no support in any kind of comparative analysis (do you really think, Dale, that every national government that is smaller than ours is less corrupt? If so, you need to get out more).
The corruption can be solved. One step is if wingers would at least acknowledge the extent of the problem. For chrissakes, the President of the United States will not reveal the extent of the White House’s contacts with Jack Abramoff. Goddamm it, but we have a right to know exactly what he did. And Bush should be crucified for not revealing his dealings with this admitted criminal. Root out the corruption. But wingers would never criticize Bush. Instead, they simply throw up their hands and declare that the federal government is to big to root out corruption.
The problem is not the size of government. The problem today is that wingers run the government and there are millions of loyal wingers out there who are so brainwashed they will do everything in their power to defend the corrupt practices of the wingers who run the government. Some will even make the somewhat nuanced argument that it is the size of the government itself that is the problem.
Huh. What an utterly unsurprising argument for a "progressive" to make. Big Government is our friend, right?
Most conservatives seem to believe it is when it comes to the most personal of decisions. For some reason, the conservatives you support, Dale - and you do support them, Dale - you obviously do - seem to want to legislate what goes on in the bedroom, and how one medicates ones ailments, and how deals with life and death. In other words, conservatives want government to intervene in the most personal of issues.
This is the scorecard Dale:
You have allied yourself those who would intervene in Terri Schiavo’s life course. You have allied yourself with those would seek to impose their morality when it comes to life and death decisions, and medical decisions. You have allied yourself with those who believe that sodomy laws are not only constitutional, but also good policy. You may not hold those beliefs, but you have allied yourself with those who do.
I am on the side of those who would use marijuana to medicate and who would take advantage of Oregon’s Death with Dignity law. I have allied myself with persons who believe that government has no business in the bedroom.
That is the difference between you and me.
On ther other hand, when it does not come to the most intimate of issues, I believe government has a place, partilculary in educating children. Our forefathers believed in a government in which the citizens participate actively. They were not adverse to the idea of government, but they were adverse to the idea of tyranny, of unreasonable searches.
Dale, you have allied yourself on the issue of privacy with Bush. You have sold your soul. When you get older, you will realize the mistake you have made. For now, however, you are cleary a victim of circumstance. I have pity on you.
You have allied yourself those who would intervene in Terri Schiavo’s life course. You have allied yourself with those would seek to impose their morality when it comes to life and death decisions, and medical decisions. You have allied yourself with those who believe that sodomy laws are not only constitutional, but also good policy. You may not hold those beliefs, but you have allied yourself with those who do.
Really? Prove it.
For instance, was this the post wehere I aligned myself with the pro-life Shiavo folks? I merely ask for my own information.
This is like the recent post where you said I never condemned the administration’s actions in the Padilla case, then , when I showed you 8 or 9 posts where I did, in fact, condemn the administration’s actions over the course of a few years, you’re response was that I didn’t condemn them harshly enough.
That’s why I think you’re a f*cking moron. I just thought you should know that.
For some reason, the conservatives you support, Dale - and you do support them, Dale - you obviously do - seem to want to legislate what goes on in the bedroom, and how one medicates ones ailments, and how deals with life and death. In other words, conservatives want government to intervene in the most personal of issues.
So what? The guys you support want to be able to take propery under eminent domain, pass hate crime laws that penalize thought, pass campaign finance laws that criminalize political speech, and extort money from the populace to pay for expanding social programs.
So, you can climb down off your high horse, ass. Your side is every bit as attracted to totalitarianism as the Conservatives, you just wish to kill freedom in different areas. It’s six of one, half a dozen of the other to me.
My only support for the Bush Admninistration comes from their willingness to kill foreigners who need killin’. Your guys don’t even want to do that. And, at the moment, it’s the foreigners who need killin’ that are the major threat.
That you don’t even begin to grasp that is only one of the reasons why you’re a slack-jawed moron.
Paul (Mkultra), you are the quintessential pompous horse’s ass.
You’ve allied yourself with those who believe government has a right to know how much money I make, take a significant portion of it against my will and increase that amount while providing fewer benefits for it as I earn more. Is that your idea of active participation?
You’ve allied yourself with people who believe a person’s right to seek employment is subject to forced membership in a labor union. You work in and for a state where this is permitted. Is this good government?
You’ve allied yourself with people who believe barriers to entry in a career via licensure – no matter how irrelevant to safety concerns (hair braiders) – is for the greater good.
You’ve allied yourself with people who can’t move fast enough to pass a law or regulation to protect me from myself because you have my safety in regard and that trumps all other factors.
You’ve allied yourself with people who cannot stand the idea of funding non-public-based educational experimentation with the tax dollars of the children’s parents - ostensibly in the name of the children but really in the name of job protection, wealth, and votes.
You’ve allied yourself with people who demand lifetime employment, insignificant accountability for their actions and outcomes, and who believe that all teachers are equally skilled, motivated, and capable.
You’ve allied yourself with those who seek to impose their morality when it comes to life and death too – or is an abortion morally neutral?
You’ve allied yourself with people who believe that individuals should have no right to decide to take a potentially life-saving experimental drug until it’s spent years in clinical trials and FDA reviews. Any morality concerns there?
You’ve allied yourself with people who believe that our social security system is fiscally sound, though any rational non-partisan observer can clearly see it is headed for significant trouble without radical change.
You’ve also allied yourself with people who believe the amount most people are forced to pay into social security vs. their payout is a good value.
You’ve also allied yourself with people who believe – despite mounds of evidence – that forced redistribution of wealth is beneficial to the intended targets and that spending more would solve these problems once and for all.
You’ve allied yourself with those who – consciously or not – require large blocks of voters to be dependent on government and the notion that government is their best chance for a better life.
You’ve allied yourself with those who believe that if we can just get the right smart, caring people in the right government positions to take control of everything we will have peace and prosperity forever.
You’ve allied yourself with people who think part of this nirvana plan is to get rid of all the mean-spirited people who think differently - or at least subject them to retraining.
You’ve allied yourself with people who believe they are smarter, better, and more tolerant than anyone else, but in reality are among the most arrogant, narrow minded, and intolerant people ever.
You’ve allied yourself with people who generally think - except for the sliver of items you’ve already mentioned - that people cannot be left on their own to make decisions.
Y’know, leaving aside the vast majority of his argument, I can see a case being made for MK’s point that it’s not necessarily the size that matters. The size absolutely makes the problem worse, but the real problem, I think, is in the incentives. Until we change the incentives — e.g., those mentioned in Matt McIntosh’s essay — we’ll have corruption.
The size of government is the dependent variable; the incentives are the independent variable. The incentives ensure there will be corruption; the size of government just determines the size of the corruption.
That’s why we don’t make similar arguments against large businesses. If size was the determinant of corruption, rather than the structural incentives, Wal-Mart wouldn’t be able to compete with those streamlined, efficient Mom and Pop stores.
None of which is to say that size of government doesn’t make the problem worse. It does.
I’d argue that size offers more in terms of incentives and opportunities. It seems both need to be addressed with government’s size being reduced to provide less opportunity and incentives being reduced or eliminated to ensure those remaining with and opportunity don’t have the incentive.
Keep both the present size and incentives and you’re left to play corruption whack-a-mole.
Fed corruption is destroying our civil liberties! We need to Impeach Bush & Chenny fast!
I feel that Joe Plemmons is a murderer being protected by the ATF! This man is so EVIL and has worked as an ATF informant for 13 years. Joe Plemmons should be prosecuted now and put in jail!
Joe Plemmons is a patiological liar with an Evilness unmatched. He is so good at Conning people comming across as a good person but I have information on him that clearly shows he is very very sick!
The USEF of the horse industries needs to take action quickly to ban his participation in the horse industry!
The ATF is as EVIL as Joe Plemmons and are protecting Joe Plemmons so he can frame innocent people to make the ATF looks good! Very very evil things are happening in the ATF & FBI and if USEF and ATF and the Legal System do not prosecute this man there is no telling how many more people will suffer like my family from Joe Plemmons SICK ACTIONS!
Here is a perfect example of how the FBI a couple of years ago was caught using and informant the same way the ATF is using Joe Plemmons!
Former FBI agent H. Paul Rico reminds me of ATF Agent John Rotunno in his disregard for the law.Here is a true story about how honerable FED agents are!
He was unrepentant and arrogant with conressional committe investigating the case of four men jailed for decades. ( For a murder he did not commit ) The stunning injustice, the cogressional committe charged, ( was orchestrated by FBI Agents to protect the Real Killer a PRIZED INFORMANT.)
" What do you want tears?" sneered retired FBI Agent H. Paul Rico, when asked how he felt about the wrongful imprisionment of one of four Joseph Salvati for mor than 30 years!
The FBI was protecting their informant. The informant was the real murderer and the FBI knew it and knowingly frammed others for their main scum bag informant!
Does this sound familiar? Do you think the identical thing is happening with the ATF’s main scum bag Joe Plemmons?
This link is a must read for those of you who care about your country!
Break Seen in Fight on Corruption in Boston FBI The stunning injustice, the congressmen charged, was orchestrated by FBI agents ... comment in May 2001 during a congressional hearing into FBI corruption. ... www.truthinjustice.org/rico.htm - 8k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.truthinjustice.org ]
I have not written anything for about 4 weeks because I have been watching the storm build on the Bush Administration scandals. President Bush is being accused of violating the 4th amendment, by illegally spying on Americans. I have personally experienced my phones being tapped, house bugged with listening devices, the FEDS monitoring my computer and some FEDS following me. A lot of evidence has been uncovered that the NSA has been used illegally.
I have said before that the Patriot Act needs to be reformed to save our civil liberties. In June 2005 my father was told by 2 lawyers not to return home from Mexico because the ATF or FBI could put him in jail, without even being indicted. With the Patriot Act they could stop him from seeing a lawyer for a period of time. He was told that everything looked clear in regards to all the lies that the ATF, the reporter and Joe Plemmons had made up. But the FEDS could use their new scum tactic of using the Patriot Act on people who are not terrorists. So my father who has heart problems and his medical care in Illinois had to pay for medical care out of his pocket. This medical care in Mexico is inferior so his life was at risk. There was no chance that he could trust the ATF to follow the law after all the lies and illegal tactics they had already used to try and frame him.
It is very scary that there is a lot of proof that the CIA is torturing people around the world. On Dec18, 2005 “ 60 Minutes” TV show did a big story on the proof they have that also the CIA is out of control.. There is a lot of evidence building that the CIA is in drug trafficking in a huge way. This helps fund a lot of their illegal activity, in the U.S and around the world. I would imagine also pads a few CIA agents pockets. We have a huge amount of clear evidence of CIA corruption.
On Jan 1, 2005 the ATF and ATF Rotunno, Chuck Goudie, and Joe Plemmons gave my family a New Years present that created a nightmare for my family! The Helen Brach murder solved (CON) was created, many, many lies and misinformation where reported by Chuck Goudie on Chicago channel 7 news. I feel a responsibility and satisfaction to return the favor and wish these liars a Happy New Year in 2006. The difference is that lies and misinformation were told to make a name for some a carry out personal vendettas. All I am doing in 2006 is telling the truth about unbecoming human behavior that tried to destroy my father and his family! Criminal behavior!
On Jan 1, 2005 Chuck Goudie Chicago channel 7 news, ran the story Helen Brach murder mystery solved. This story ran on every channel 7 news segment for 2-3 days. Illegally using my fathers name. On Jan 6, 2005 Chuck Goudie did a story Helen Brach murder mystery: Mob Hoodlums carried it out. Again using my fathers name. A respected issued a court order that his name was not allowed to be released! The Chicago Tribune said my fathers name was not allowed to be used because he was not indicted!
So now we have Chuck Goudie calling my father a murderer for 3-4 days on many newscasts. Do you think it stopped there? No. On Jan 7, 2005 Chuck Goudie went on channel 11 WTTW “ Chicago Tonight” to bash my father once again. There where also reruns of this show on Jan 8. ( Goudie Attacked My Father Every Day For One Week. Millions Saw His Show Of LIES & MISINFORMATION. ) Here is some of what Chuck Goudie said on Jan 7 Chicago Tonight show from a transcript: Chuck Goudie: “He was in cahoots with another guy who was a formers Skokie Police officer who is now living in Mexico. Both are alive. The FEDS believe both of them are right for indictment at this point. They both hired a couple of former mobsters one by the name of Victor Spolatro, who comes from an infamous Chicago family who is now dead himself. He was involved in getting Brach’s body down to Indiana.” Talk show host, Joel Weisman: “Many people have investigated this, both in the media and law enforcement. What kind of comfort level do you feel this is the end of the case? Chuck Goudie: “The experts who have spent the last 28 years looking at it are comfortable that, the informant who had direct knowledge of what happened and who came forward within the last 3 years is right on.” (It sounds as if Chuck Goudie is an ATF & FBI spokesman!)
Remember Chuck Goudie had worked on the Helen Brach case for many years with his ATF buddies. Chuck Goudie knew all about the informant Joe Plemmons past crimes. Chuck Goudie knew Joe was a career con man, paid informant by the ATF for 13 years, had gone by at least 3-4 alias’s, this being his 3rd major murder trial being an ATF informant, a pathological liar all his life, was paid $5800.00 for his testimony in 1992 in the Ken Hansen Murder trial, being paid by the ATF $61,000.00 and getting a hernia operation paid for his helping the ATF in the Hansen and Bailey trials. Only God knows how much the ATF has paid Plemmons for. They probably have so much on Plemmons that he will lie for the ATF for the rest of his life! Joe Plemmons has swindled many people and who knows how many people he might of killed over the years! Who knows how many more crimes Joe Plemmons was never caught for! Come on lets be serious for a moment! How is it possible that Chuck Goudie never informed us of Joe Plemmons past crimes and rap sheet which seems endless? This could create suspicious looking motive by Mr. Goudie!
Please do not forget about the worst investigative report I have ever seen. Chuck Goudie and the I-Team go to Puerta Vallarta around 1994. This story is full of lies, misinformation and became a personal vendetta against my father. Mr. Goudie used some of the lies from that story in 2005 and added some new whoppers. For example: Mr. Goudie filmed my parents getting into their car at their place in Skokie, IL and said on Jan 1,2005 ABC I-Team report that in 2003 he came from Mexico just to pick up his ailing wife and that it was believed that he has not been on US soil since. “There you go again” Chuck: Well my friends my mother had opened heart surgery in 2003 and my father was in the US for over 4 months. For 12 years Chuck Goudie has been saying my father is hiding in Mexico. BIG LIE! My father has been in Skokie, Illinois every year of his life until 2005! The only reason he has not come home this years is because of his lawyers saying the ATF could use the Patriot Act against him. Goudie has an amazing way of putting such a special spin on things! I suspect that Chuck Goudie’s laziness and poor research have contributed to many other nightmares for other people, over the years.
I refuse to watch Chicago’s channel 7 news as long as Chuck Goudie works there! I will not support someone who destroys innocent people to make a name for him self! Never once apologizing to my father or family for many lies and misinformation he told millions of people! The only way this man will learn humility is to be punished for his actions! If I owned his news station I would have fired this man long ago! Instead he gets awarded. This man has too much power to hurt people! Someone in the media told me that when they are at parties with him, many people snicker behind his back. Many in the media do not approve of his style of reporting. Please GOD send this man far away from Chicago! He is the only reporter who was totally involved with the ATF from the beginning one of their biggest blunders ever!
A lot of people planned on making money, becoming famous, being or staying in political office for solving the Helen Brach murder. The ATF, Chuck Goudie and Joe Plemmons would all stand to gain a lot by making this con work.
I have a few reasons for continuing to inform you about this disgraceful scandal by the ATF. : 1) To protect my family. 2) To protect others from FED corruption. 3) To get more people to investigate this crime created by the FEDS. So people will see clearly as I do how many people would have gained and are involved in this crime, including a politician who I will not name.
I know that others are now investigating this evil conspiracy and many new things are being discovered. More and more people are seeing clearly what happened when ATF Rotunno and Chuck Goudie got a little too excited about taking their personal vendetta against others. Many more people will soon see that the Helen Brach murder investigation will go down as one of the FEDS biggest blunders. Also from these peoples research other surprising names will appear that have been involved in the Helen Brach Cover Up over the last 28 years.
Remember Helen Brach was very, very wealthy and many secrets are being kept to hide the names of those who gained from her death. Follow the money! Follow the money! Follow the money! Have a wonderful new year! God Bless America!
It is sad but true that many people will believe the first story they here on T.V. or in a newspaper. Even when a lot of evidence appears later to prove it was a lie. I have no doubt there are many people who still believe Chuck Goudie’s reports on the Helen Brach murder investigation’s being solved. Even with overwhelming evidence that proves he has reported many lies and misinformation from incompetence. The reason I understand this is because I use to trust what was reported on T.V. and in newspapers as being true.
Before the 1995 Richard Bailey trial, my bubble was burst from Chuck Goudie’s story, “I-Team goes to Puerto Vallarta!” I heard many lies and misinformation in this one report. Since this experience, I always look at the possibility that many reporters lie, are lazy and often do not follow up on leads. They love to sensationalize to make the story look better instead of reporting the truth.
I feel it is time to tell some new details and review some others so you can see clearly how the ATF, Chuck Goudie and Joe Plemmons created this con. They did it to become great men, carry out personal vendettas, to make money, make a name for themselves and to help some politicians.
This disregard for the law by the ATF, Chuck Goudie and Joe Plemmons was carried out because the ATF figured they could not lose. If the con worked they would have solved the Helen Brach murder. Chuck Goudie, the ATF, Joe Plemmons and a politician would have gained a lot! If it did not work, the ATF figured it would just die and go away. It was clear to the ATF that the Jaynes were pinned by negative books and media stories. They often exaggerate, lie and sensationalize unproven stories that have been told. First, Joe Plemmons has worked with the ATF for 13 years and was told exactly what to say by the ATF. Matlick the other murderer never talks to anyone. All the real evidence clearly points to Matlick being the murderer. There are many, many facts that show that Matlick was the murderer and the ATF & FBI know this! The ATF decided that they would get Matlick with their new massive amount of lies and also put away others because they can and often do get away with setups
If you knew every detail and saw all the proof it would be crystal clear that the ATF created crimes against my father. They will be prosecuted by the law! They figured my father would not say anything because he did not say anything in the 90’s about Chuck Goudie’s disgraceful and fabricated report about him. So the ATF looked at their con as if they could not lose. No one would expose their scandal, con and criminal behavior.
At this point ATF Rotunno and Chuck Goudie are really sorry that they publicly released their lies. Not in their wildest dreams did they expect to be exposed for their lies! I have spent many thousands of hours researching their BLUNDER. Some other very wonderful people have been amazing at helping me research this FANTASTIC SCANDAL!
I am sure that some of you wonder why I continue to write on the computer and not just go after them through the legal system. At this time the Supreme Court of Illinois is investigating some of our findings!
The time has come to share with you about how many laws protect large television network stations from the average people (laws which must be changed!). These companies keep merging and getting larger and larger and can tie up civil law suits in court for many, many years! Only the largest law firms represent them and will not represent the little people unless you pay them at least $500 per hour. Goudie and his bosses know this and the majority of what he said, was told to him by the ATF. Even though he lied and misinformed many, many times, I will now explain how he felt he would get away with this in the legal system.
If the ATF, Goudie and Plemmons had done this to Oprah’s father, rather than my father, there would have been big law suits and criminal charges against most of them! No doubt, some of the ATF agents and Joe Plemmons would have gone to jail! But ATF Rotunno and his buddies know all about how to lie, cheat, con and break the law and never get prosecuted. So it is clear they would have never tried these SCUM TATICS on someone like Oprah’s father!
We have a very good case against Goudie. If the ATF did not scare, intimidate and or payoff my father’s first lawyer, a law suit would have been filed by now. My father’s lawyer told me many times that the ATF hates him and are very, very mad that we have uncovered their CON! The ATF has tapped our phone conversations, used listening devices and intercepted e-mails from my father’s lawyer to Mexico. They saw and heard that their con and scandal, which they created, was about to be exposed
Now here we are in late 2005. Chuck Goudie’s first story was on Jan 1, 2005 and there is a statue of limitation of filling a law suit that expires on Jan 1, 2006. (What a stupid law, only one year from when Chuck’s first story aired!) Another law to protect these network giants!
When we were clear that my father’s lawyer was no longer with us because of the lying, unethical ATF who think they are above the law, I searched for a good medium size law firm with 15-60 lawyers that could handle a law suit against a large network station. The largest firms generally do not handle plaintiff liable suits and this case is too big for a small firm. It would be too hard as I found out for a small firm to stop ATF Rotunno and his buddies from obstructing justice!
We needed a law firm that was willing to go deep into their own pockets to cover expenses upfront. Looking at a couple of other cases against network T.V stations the cases were tied up in court for many years. We have a very good case. The problem is there are not many law firms who handle plaintiff liable cases against network giants. If we were rich we could have had a lot of firms who would have taken my father’s case. The cost would be $400 to $500 an hour. We were looking for a law firm on a contingency basis. My father is on a fixed income and I am not wealthy. So the laws protect unethical reporters that are with large networks. However all of you can act as our court and jury and help my family stop this kind of behavior by uncaring large corporations.
Chuck Goudie and his bosses knew after my call to the I-Team (on March 31, 2005 at 10:45pm) that they made a major mistake. I left a message on a recording about this being the most one-sided report. There was nothing mentioned of con man Plemmons’ arrest record and years of working closely to the ATF. Also I clearly pointed out Goudies’ lies and misinformation years before. I said to please tell Mr. Goudie to stop harassing my father with phone calls and fed-ex’s. I said he is the last reporter on this planet that my father will talk to! I also e-mailed some of his bosses and very nicely asked them to stop Goudie from creating all these lies! Please!
However, they kept all of this trash, and sick reporting on the internet for over a year now. I think they did this because they thought they could get away with it and make more money; they do not really care that human beings are maligned by their reporter and the ATF.
Couldn’t they have at least apologized and treated my family like human beings and have taken this scum reporting of the internet??? After all, I made it clear how many lies and misinformation were in these stories!
I want all of you to know that my father has never met Helen Brach, Joe Plemmons,(murderer) Matlick,(murderer) or the Spilotros (murderers). That truth alone proves that the ATF and Joe Plemmons have committed a crime, using my father in their con to make money and look good. God knows what these scum wanted by their evil actions. My father has never been arrested for anything!!
TO BE CONTINUED.
The Richard Bailey trial was held in 1995. Shortly before, Chuck Goudie and the ABC I-Team went to Puerto Vallarta to talk to my father. My father told Goudie on the phone that he would not do an interview. Goudie would not take no for an answer. Goudie and the I-Team were all over the building where my father was staying. Also, Chuck was paying Mexicans for info about my father. People who worked there said that he was an arrogant jerk! Some of my father’s friends and workers were keeping watch to see when the jerk left. My father took one look out his sliding door to see if the I-Team was gone and they got a film of him peeking out. They used this clip in their newscast and said my father was hiding in Mexico. What a big lie! He only lives there part of the year. There you go again, Chuck! They also used this same clip for their Jan 1-3, 2005 broadcast, saying again that he was hiding in Mexico!
Goudie was not going to leave Puerto Vallarta without a story; even if it was all lies! Well Goudie’s lies did not stop there. He paid a Mexican to go on his broadcast who said senior Lee gets drunk in the morning at his condo. Then at noon, he stumbles down to the beach to sleep it off. Then he goes back to his condo to get drunk again, and on and on with disgraceful lies. Goudie probably flipped him $20 or $50. My whole family and friends saw this report. We said what a low life, sick lying person this reporter is! This sick report went on to put my father in the worst possible light possible! Goudie said I was a college student living at their place in Skokie. Another LIE! I was 34 and long out of college. At the end of the fairytale, the worst broadcast I ever saw of Goudie’s, said: “I would sure like to see his tax returns.” As former President Ronald Reagan use to say: “There you go again,” Chuck. My father was already questioned and harassed by the FEDS, and was AUDITED. His finances were all in order. He worked very, very hard all his life for what he has! Why didn’t Goudie get an academy award for this performance?
As stupid as it looks in hindsight, our family said nothing at the time. We felt it would all go away including the moron who created it! Goudie was nothing but a lying, lazy sensationalist! He was not willing to leave Mexico without a great story. Even if it was only a fairytale he created
Our real nightmare started on Jan 1, 2005.When Goudie aired on every newscast for a few days. The headlines were “Helen Brach murder mystery solved”. I will start with a quote from this report and then I will clearly point out many lies and distortions by Goudie. I will continue to show you exactly how the ATF concocted their lies.
Here we go with more of the ATF, Goudie and Joe Plemmons lies. Chuck Goudie’s first report on Jan 1, 2005 was “Helen Brach murder mystery solved.” Chuck Goudie said, “Sources working the case say evidence given to prosecutors also directly connects. . .” (my father’s, full name) “ with former Skokie police officer to the murder.” Ten years ago, the I-Team located my father “hiding in Mexico.” My father ”returned home in 2003 to pick up his ailing wife. It was the last time he was believed to have been on U.S soil.” There you go again, Chuck! (2 BIG LIES BACK TO BACK!)
On a Jan 6, 2005 broadcast by Chuck Goudie: “Helen Brach murder mystery: Mob hoodlums carried out crime.” And, “a well-placed informant has told agents from the U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau that in 1977 Victor Spilotro made arrangements to sneak Helen Brach’s corpse into the Inland Steel plant in East Chicago, Indiana. Authorities say Mrs. Brach was thrown into a blast oven and cremated.” Goudie says, “a well placed informant has told” the ATF. (Please, tell me how Joe Plemmons was a well placed informant in 1977, when Joe was not working with ATF until the 1990’s? Please tell me how he can be the ATF’S main informant in the 1995 Richard Bailey trial, saying that Bailey offered Joe Plemmons $5000 to kill Helen Brach, and now he totally changes his story in 2002. Now saying - sorry, my story has totally changed! Me and nine others killed Helen and I get immunity from the murder! I get lots of money from the ATF and I will write a book and make lots of money off solving the Helen Brach murder mystery! On April 10, 2005 in the Chicago Tribune interview Plemmons talks about writing a book.
If you examine what Plemmons says in the Richard Bailey trial, he changes his story a few times in that trial! There you go again, Joe. Caught in another lie! You pathological liar, low life scum!
Also some people who have investigated the Indiana steel mill lie, say it is almost impossible to sneak a body into the steel mill without some people seeing you. ( The ATF got the idea about Helen being incinerated in a steel mill from a 1991 story that a psychic said this was how Helen was killed!) Huuummmm!!!
Chuck Goudie’s next newscast on the subject was on March 22, 2005: ”New twist in Brach murder case.” Said Goudie, “The ABC I-Team has an exclusive interview with a federal informant who says he shot and killed Helen Brach.” Also, “Richard Bailey did solicit you?”
Responded Joe Plemmons, federal informant, “Absolutely without any doubt in this whole world.”
A few questions later Goudie ask Plemmons, “Why should people believe what you say now in light of what you said in the Bailey trial.”
Plemmons replied, “I think that everything I said in the Bailey trial was transcript and I think I would stand by it.”
Con man Joe sure expresses a lot of doubt about the truth of his testimony in this last statement! It is very difficult for this pathological liar to remember all of his lies that he must have practiced over and over again in his head!
Chuck Goudie never even questioned Joe about his life of crime! Chuck will win an academy award for not informing his readers at all about Joe’s evil criminal past! Do you think Chuck is working for the public or the ATF? With this interview and all the years Chuck has worked with the ATF & FBI on the Helen Brach case, this is all we get out of an “exclusive interview” with Plemmons!! There you go again Chuck!
Chuck Goudie’s last telecast about this topic was March 31, 2005: “ABC 7 I-Team learns identities of people reportedly behind Helen Brach’s murder.” Goudie described, “It was a frigid February day in 1977 that would be her last on earth. The informant told federal agents — and the agents now believe — that the beginning of the end for Brach that day was at the hand of a. . .” (my father). My father “was frequently a Jayne bodyguard and close ally. In the federal report, Plemmons said that Jaynes paid. . .” (my father) “between $350,000 and $750,000 to beat Brach unconscious at her home in suburban Glenview. Then he says” (my father) “rolled her up in a blanket.”
There you go again, Chuck, Rotunno and Plemmons! First of all Chuck Goudie reported on Jan 6, 2005 that my father was a look out. Now he says he is the murderer. Please Chuck, which story is the truth?
These morons say my father was a bodyguard! These liars have a great imagination! They got this story from books written about Silas Jayne. That Silas had a policeman working for him.
Please Joe tell me why I have never seen any evidence of $350,000 to $750,000 he was paid! I know my father’s finances inside out and there is no evidence of any money my father has gotten except from working many jobs for many years. You should try this Joe, working hard for your money. Instead of stealing, murdering and lying for the ATF for your money! It is called an honest living. Something you have never done!
After over 28 years as a great policeman, and working many extra jobs, my father did well. Then he worked many years as a horseshoer, which pays well. This greatly supplemented his pension. The ATF, FBI & IRS have already checked this out!
Like I have said before the ATF has fabricated this story to solve the Helen Brach murder! The ATF knows that Matlick was one of the killers. They probably know that Plemmons was a 2nd murderer, and they are hiding information about Federal agents who made money by keeping the truth of what happened to Helen Brach secret! It looks very suspicious that some of the Federal agents who have investigated this murder mystery over the last 28 years are working for Brach Candy Company, after retiring from the FBI!
The ATF & FBI are experts at setting people up. They pay drug addicts to support their addictions, pay murderers, career con men, let people off crimes, get them out of jail and pay them money to lie to say exactly what the FEDS want to hear to frame people! I have lots of evidence that proves this!
During the 1995 Richard Bailey trial, Judge Shadur sealed the Santiago Proffer and said that Kathy Olsen’s testimony was not credible. She was paid by the Feds at least $5,000 for her drug addiction and much more to lie about conversations she said she overheard about Helen Brach being killed. She heard this conversation while hiding in an office closet at a horse stable. Well my friends this closet was much too small to hold her then 300-pound body!
I called the I-Team March 31, 2005 at 10:45pm and sent some e-mails to Chuck Goudie’s bosses the following few days, telling them about Chuck Goudie’s lies. No more broadcasts have aired on their station about this topic since. There are two broadcasts in the ABC archives which have never been televised. One was with Kathy Olsen. Why have they never aired this? I know why! They knew that the ATF had in some way set Chuck up. Chuck Goudie was no longer allowed to report on this case! I figure by now they got it that Chuck Goudie had screwed up BIG TIME!
Goudie was an ATF Puppet! I nominate Chuck Goudie for an award. The worst investigative reporter in Chicago for the last 2 decades!! As I told you before I will not watch ABC-7 news until Goudie is gone and all of his trash reports on Helen Brach are taken off the internet and their website! It might take ABC losing 30,000 to 50,000 viewers to do this! Only then when they have lost enough money will they care! Why would they care if Chuck Goudie totally screws an innocent family and creates a nightmare for us?
“Imagine what would happen, if it was allowed that one could make up any story to get an enemy put away in prison for life, with no repercussions, no accountability or consequences to the liar. In fact, sometimes these people are rewarded with cash and IMMUNITY. This is like a true sociopaths dream.
The court system would not only be not very effective, it would become a laughing stock.
Remember some of these people have used people all their life and nothing has really happened to them. I don’t think the court system should be allowed to be ~used~ to apply punishment for someone’s personal vendetta.”
In Chicago, the FBI is lobbying big time! They invite judges, lawyers, politicians and the media to their shooting range and then wine and dine them! No wonder our court system and media are corrupt and the ATF & FBI have such a high conviction rate in Chicago!
They hand pick jurors, and pay off judges, juror members, lawyers and politicians! The media get great news leads from the ATF & FBI. An investigative reporter’s career is greatly enhanced by not telling the truth about ATF & FBI corruption! The media is scared of the Feds and wants to make money and a name for themselves by being Fed Puppets!
It is too bad we do not have newspapers in Chicago like the Washington Post & New York Times. For Gods sakes we desperately need honest reporters with some backbone, if we are to change Chicago from being the most Corrupt City in the nation!!
This week the FBI is asking for more FBI agents in Chicago, to fight corruption. Does the FBI expect us to trust them to self-clean their own corrupt organization? What we really need is to clean up ATF & FBI corruption. That’s the biggest problem we have in Chicago! God Bless America!
Hi I think I remember a Jane Does body being exumed in Cook County Chicago to see if it was Helen ?Does any one know when this Jane Doe was found and anything about this Jane Doe?
Suzanne: I have brought this up 2 times many months ago in my writings. I do not have the dates or great detail about this. I heard that a body was found in Cook County.She had her fingers and teeth missing well before DNA testing was available. I have said before if this body is dug up now and tested for DNA and found to be Helen Brach, Joe Plemmons will go to jail! His stay out of jail free card will have expired! His con will finally be dead! The FEDS cover up of who killed Helen will be over and I would not be surprised if an FBI agent along with Matlick and Plemmons are convicted of her murder! I feel this is a real dangerous subject because at least a few people know or knew what really happened to her. They have been paid alot of money and or killed to not let the truth be known.
Please anyone who has information about this mysterious body come forward! Lets get the truth out. You can remain anonyomous.I feel the Helen Brach murder has already been solved but only a few know the truth. It looks like the Feds are just using her to set people up and carry out personal vendettas. Follow the money!
During my exhaustive research of the Helen Brach murder investigation there is a clear pattern that I see. ATF Rotunno is an expert at deception to support his theories. Before ATF Rotunno leaked the Plemmons lies to the media he was heavily promoted as a great man in a book called Unbridled Rage by Gene O’Shea.(I want to make it clear that all I say about Gene O’Shea and his book are just my and a few others opinions.)
I feel that this was part of Rotunno’s plan to win public opinion of what great work he had done of getting people convicted for murders. Then his new fabricated story would carry more weight. In Unbridled Rage a lot of stories about Silas Jayne and his family are told by Rottunno and other law enforcement agents. After all the lies I have pointed out about ATF Rotunno’s disregard for the law and lying, do you believe his stories?
Rottuno paints a picture to support his con. Gene O’Shea appears to be his P.R. man. Not once throughout this book does he say anything negative about Rotunno. It appears to me and a few others that O’Shea has a hidden agenda in writing this book!
He really sucks up to Rotunno a lot. I and some others are very, very suspicious of Gene O’Shea becoming Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Did Rotunno or his ATF buddies have something to do with Govenor Blagoavich appointing him to be Illinois Gaming Commissioner?
He was a reporter at the Daily Southtown newspaper in suburban Chicago while working very close to Rotunno then he becomes Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Very, very interesting! I think this should be investigated! What do you think?
In the 1995 Ken Hansen murder trial, Hansen’s defense attorney O’Donnell says as Gene O’Shea writes in O’Donnell’s opening statement, “The state’s case was nothing more than fabrication, woven from lies and stories of paid witnesses who were working hand in hand with federal agents to rebuild the tarnished reputation of the Bureau of Tobacco, Alcohol and Firearms, O’Donnell said.”
“An unholy alliance was created a few years ago, that alliance was between William Wemette, a man who has to please people who pay him money, provide him housing, give him free telephone service, and a unit of government called ATF,” O’Donnell said. “The ATF in 1993 was probably the most discredited law enforcement agency on the face of the earth after the Waco disaster and Ruby Ridge. They desperately needed to seek to rehabilitate their image before the public.”
William Wemette was and FBI informant from 1971-1989. Then the ATF gets new information from him in the 90’s about a murder that happened in the 50’s. Very, very suspicious looking! Maybe another ATF setup! What do you think?
O’Shea writes about the 1995 Bailey trial, “Judge Shadur found that Bailey had conspired to murder Helen Brach based on a “preponderance of evidence.”
This is just from Joe Plemmons testimony! Bailey was convicted of stealing from rich woman. But to sentence him for conspiring to kill Helen Brach on Joe Plemmons word alone looks real weird to me!
O’Shea writes, “On a moment’s notice Rotunno would find himself switching gears from a suburban family man with a wife and three daughters to his undercover persona as a ruthless drug dealer who “moved” truckloads of marijuana. Gang members came to admire Rotunno, nick naming him “Red” because of the government-issued undercover hot rod he drove, a fully loaded red Mustang.”
So Rotunno is a trained liar. I bet he is so good at lying that he could look you in the eyes and make you believe his lie. He can probably lie constantly to a lie detector and pass the test!
O’Shea writes, “Rotunno, with all of his years of undercover work, had honed his instincts, and trusted them. His intuition had gotten him out of a jam on more than one occasion; sometimes he just knew he was right about a suspect or theory.” “Like many lawmen, Rotunno was very good at reading personalities. He often relied on his internal lie detector when sizing up witnesses and informants. Rotunno was also a guarded individual. He rarely shared his opinions or true emotions, and when he did, it was only around those he trusted. Rotunno’s guarded demeanor would pigeonhole him as “bad cop” in an interrogation situation.”
So once Rotunno creates a theory he will do whatever it takes to support his theory. In the Helen Brach murder investigation, he has lied and fabricated evidence to support his theory. He thinks he is above the law. He has broken the law over and over. Why should Rotunno be able to break the law and not be fired and prosecuted?
Remember ATF Bob Hauffman saying on Jan 10, 2005 on “60 Minutes” that he could substantiate one of the three ATF woman agent’s claims that ATF agents sexually harassed them. He went on to say that all the criminals that he has put away in his career, all of them have more honor than the top official in the ATF! He said I know this is a sad commentary but that is my experience as an ATF agent! How can we blame ATF Rotunno? He is just following their example!
There are some very serious crimes the ATF, Joe Plemmons and Chuck Goudie have commited!
The ATF by messing with my fathers first lawyer and fabricating the Helen Brach Muder Mystery being solved has created obstruction of justice, slander, libel, defamation of character, invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress and some more!
I am not a lawyer but have study the law some. I think it is a crime to falsely accuse someone of murder!
I thought it was very interesting that a jury had awarded a former Chicago policeman 6.6 million $ because he was set up by the FBI.
This story aired right in the middle of Chuck Goudie’s show! This law suit was only against 2 FBI agents. He will next be going after the FBI!
Steven Manning was on death row for 8 years. 2 FBI agents fabricated the story to put him away!
The FBI and the 2 agents deny it!( sound familiar lie & deny) They never admit their lies. They LIE & DENY, lie and deny!
There are some similarities and differences in the Helen Brach Muder LIE.
Steven manning was an informant for the FBI and stopped giving them the info they wanted. He alss in the past had commited some crimes.
On the other hand my father has no arrest record at all! He was a great cop for 28 plus years. He has caught murders while Joe Plemmons was conning and stealing and probably murdering people fo all these years!
Joe Plemmons arrest records is way beyond what you can immagine. The ATF is keeping a man out of jail who continues to hurt people!
Schoolmaster http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_...mages/blank.gifPosted document.write(’’+ myTimeZone(’Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:16:34 GMT-0700’, ’Aug. 29, 2005 10:16 PM’)+’’); Aug. 29, 2005 10:16 PM Aug. 29, 2005 10:16 PMWow! That is a fascinating tangent to this story and could totally explain why Goldy if he is who he says is defending his Dad who was just maybe a cop in a small town and with a family to support afraid from the get go.
I didn’t need to sign up for anything to get on the article. It does create a larger perspective than just crooked horse traders taking advantage of old widows. And inthe context of the times it sounds very plausible.
I had not realized the relationship of Silas Jayne to those boys.
Radio Talk you’re right; I have no way to be sure of who goldy might be. BUT I have a Hungarian gypsy intuition and I think he’s real and in pain. It might be one of the good things we all do in our lives if we can help him to get this all into perspective.
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Jury awards $6.6 million to man ’framed’ by FBI ’It’s a long, long way from Death Row.’ By Matt O’Connor; Chicago Tribune staff reporter January 24, 2005
A federal jury today awarded nearly $6.6 million in damages to former Chicago police Officer Steven Manning, finding two veteran FBI agents framed him for a Cook County murder that put him on Death Row.
The jury also held that one of the FBI agents also framed Manning in a Missouri kidnapping case. Manning spent 14 years in prison before both convictions were overturned and the prosecutions were dropped.
The damages could go even higher. U.S. District Judge Matthew Kennelly, who presided over the six-week trial, is yet to rule on whether the United States shares responsibility with the two agents for malicious prosecutions.
"It’s a long, long way from Death Row to complete vindication,’’ Manning said after the verdict.
The jury deliberated for 6½ days before finding FBI Special Agents Robert Buchan and Gary Miller liable for Manning’s wrongful conviction in the 1990 murder of trucking firm owner James Pellegrino. Buchan was also found liable in the Missouri kidnapping case.
The jury also found the two agents had intentionally inflicted emotional distress.
Manning claimed in his civil suit that the agents had a grudge against him and framed him for the crimes. The charges surfaced after Manning, who had been an informant for the FBI, filed a civil harassment suit over his treatment by the agents when he tried to stop working in that role, said his attorney, Jon Loevy.
"It’s a very unusual thing that the jury would find FBI agents framed somebody not just once but twice for capital crimes," Loevy told reporters outside the downtown Chicago courtroom where jurors returned their decision.
Federal officials this afternoon issued a statement saying they "respect the jury system, the work of this jury and its verdict.’’ But they said they remained "confident that the agents who were sued did not engage in any misconduct in this matter.’’
U.S. Atty. Patrick J. Fitzgerald and Richard K. Ruminski, acting special agent in charge of the Chicago office of the FBI, said they would have no further comment.
Both Miller and Buchan remain with the bureau, according to FBI spokeswoman Cynthia Yates.
In closing arguments Jan. 11, a federal prosecutor lauded both Buchan and Miller as dedicated, law-abiding FBI agents.
In a fateful decision, the FBI used a notorious informant named Tommy Dye to try to elicit evidence about the Pellegrino murder while Dye and Manning were incarcerated in Cook County Jail.
Dye asserted he had captured a confession by Manning on a hidden recorder, but when nothing was audible, he claimed that the confession came during a two-second inaudible portion of the recording.
He claimed Manning had grabbed him by the arm, bent him over, put a finger to his head as if it was a gun and said, "This is how I killed Pellegrino."
A Tribune investigation in November 1999 examined Manning’s conviction as well as prosecutors’ use of jailhouse informants and found both were deeply flawed.
Manning was taken off Death Row in 2000 and finally freed from prison in February 2004. His civil suit had sought damages of more than $20 million.
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That’s weird if the evidence was compelling enough for the jury why wouldn’t the FBI dump those two guys instead of giving them applause.
Yes! I can imagine that goldy would hope his Dad got the same treatment and there were millions in damages.Especially if this seems to be a pattern with our new and better FBI.
lyrical that’s a heck of a good cross reference between you and LLDM I think we have our own whodunit team going.
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(Suzi) "I too, think that Matlick had something to do with the whole thing. Anyone who would lie about where she went, taking her to the airport, forge checks and all the other stuff he did, is not some rube houseman. I think he was paid to be hush-hush, set the bait and to destroy the evidence. Bailey is also involved and is where he belongs, IMHO." "Ernie Rizzo worked on the case for a while, paid by the lawyers of the Humane Society or whatever group or her lawyer maybe? I met him during his investigation after my family wanted to know what was being done etc. Then he had to go on a "federal vacation" for a bit and we lost touch. Then I moved home to Ohio."
"I would love to see this solved."
Quote: Originally Posted by steve reiter I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!
I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.
The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret
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I pick "Brach murder" for $800. "Steve Reiter’s father"
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I still would like to know how no one saw them at a blast furnace. Those factories are never unguarded. That and ten people, eleven since I believe Bailey is in it too, is a lot of people to "trust". They do sound like quite a mix, especially the Hansen guy who is in prison for other killings. But, why wouldn’t he just own up since he already is in prison? Thought of the death penalty? Fear of a prison "accident"?
I read the link, thank you Richard! Much of it does make sense, including the fact that Matlick was painting after Helen Brach disappeared and got new carpet too, or got it cleaned......
I do think she took the plane home from the Mayo and did not go by car. I believe Matlick picked her up at the airport, drove her home and she died soon after that or was a prisoner in her home. She was a "phone" lover but never called anyone after she got home. That makes me think she wasn’t home long, or at least able to use the phone. Matlick said Helen Brach went out with Bailey on that Sunday. I think that was the day the body was removed, though I think she was incapacitated before that time. Saying she went out with Bailey was the perfect cover for a strange car being there. Then the forged checks by Matlick, which he lamely tried to explain away and the fact he says he took Helen Brach to the airport in a Jeep and not one of her nice comfie cars, leads me to feel in my heart that Matlick was always right in the middle of it all. ______ Suzi
Reputation is what you are in the light. Character is what you are in the dark. Chuck Goudie
March 31, 2005 - Federal law enforcement authorities say it took ten people to pull off one of Chicago’s most mysterious murders-the long unsolved disappearance of Helen Brach, heir to the Brach Candy fortune. The ABC7 I-Team has learned the identities of those people that federal agents said are responsible for Brach’s death.
ABC 7 Images Yes Suzi , you get the prize. You are right on the money! Also Suzi, public record shows that there were at least $$hundreds of thousands or more of bearer bonds missing. I think someone many years ago investiating the Helen Brach murder found the truth and were paid alot of money to keep quiet.
Richard, all you have to do is hit ABC 7 Images and you will see the picture of my father you could not find.
The only reason I do not use my fathers name is out of respect. Chuck Goudie has shown no respect for my father by illegally using my fathers name over and over again on T.V. and the internet!
Since ABC 7 news and Chuck Goudie continue to have their fairytale on the internet for some sick reason using my fathers name, I will use there stories without using my fathers name to expose their lies.(CON)
I feel the biggest problem with this whole Helen Brach murder CON is that most people believe all the stories they read in the books and newscasts about Helen Brach and people connected. I used to be naïve also until Chuck Goudie’s I- Team goes to Puerto Vallarta was aired in the 90’s which had no truth except Chuck Goudie was where he said he was and my father was there. Besides that it was a complete fairytale!
So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!
Do not be surprised if the feds plant something illegal on me or do voiceovers on my conversations. (To make a conversation something other than what really happened) God knows what they might do. Anything to make themselves look good instead of protecting us!
Again Suzi, you along with many others are understanding how this Helen Brach murder investigation has evolved. Scandel, cons, coverups and 29 years later and maybe $ billions of taxpayers money spent. The ATF goes after their glorious CON instead of protecting us from current real threats!
The ATF Under Fire ( The Leader of the ATF, MR. CORRUPTION HIMSELF!)
Thursday, October 12, 2006
The recently departed director of the federal agency that regulates firearms and explosives is guilty of severely mismanaging government funds and misconduct during his tenure at the agency.
As head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Carl Truscott misspent federal dollars, committed travel abuse, engaged in improper hiring practices and created a hostile working environment. Details of his tumultuous two years as head of the agency are revealed in a scathing, 173-page report published by the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General.
Among Truscott’s wrongdoings is improperly hiring an unqualified former Secret Service colleague who was eventually awarded with a bonus and pay raise by the former ATF director. Truscott also committed travel abuse by taking lavish trips to London, Ottawa, New York and Boston and he spent $100,000 on unnecessary gym equipment as well as thousands more on decorating his office.
Truscott also ordered 20 staff members to help with his nephew’s intricate high school project, wasting the agency’s time and violating ethics rules. The project consisted of a documentary about the ATF that took 10 months to complete and the report says using agency resources was one of Truscott’s many lapses in judgment.
The former director was highly regarded in law enforcement circles when then Attorney General John Ashcroft appointed him to run the ATF in 2004. He was a former investigator for the New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety and a longtime U.S. Secret Service agent who had been based in New York, Los Angeles and Washington DC. Amid controversy, he resigned as ATF director in August.
One political blog says there is no shock in this news since the ATF has a history of corruption and incompetence as well as a record of hiring people rejected by other federal agencies, often for failing the psychological screening process __________________ (Go to this article and you can see a 173 page report published by the Justice Department Office of Inspector General and much more eye opening information about the Evil ATF!)
Now it is time for ATF John Rotunno pay for his crimes against my family and many others! Why let these criminals that hide behind ATF badges be allowed to continue to hurt the public! Little criminal Hoover’s, who think they are above the law. They need to be stopped! As I said long ago we need to teminate the ATF and put agents like ATF John Rotunno in prison!