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Our Commenting Policy
Posted by: Dale Franks on Thursday, January 19, 2006

Every blog, at some point, has to publicly clarify their commenting policy. Usually, this occurs, as it has today, with a commenter that offers nothing but trolling. As it happens, I decided to ban the commenter who uses the name "Book Adams" today, and deleted all of his comments.

Commenting here is a privilege. We owe no one any obligation to allow them to post here, and all commenters do so at our sufferance. We pay the bills for this site, and that means we can run it in any way we see fit. We reserve the right to delete any comment, or ban any commenter, at any time, for any reason we see fit.

If you want to comment freely, I suggest you go to Blogspot or TypePad and get a blog of your own. Then, you can run it any way you like.

To Book Adams, whoever you are, please note that this constitutes official public notice that you are no longer allowed to comment at QandO. If you persist in doing so, I will grab your IP address, then file an abuse report with your ISP.

We've never had to do this before, and, hopefully, it will be a good long time before we have to do so again. I think we actually have a fairly liberal commenting policy, and we don't enforce—and indeed, physically cannot enforce—some specified standard of behavior. Nor do we really have any particular wish to do so. We will not, on the other hand, allow continuous trolling.

In furtherance of this policy, we are now tracking IP Addresses on all comments, to enable us to ban those IP addresses we think appropriate.

A word to the wise.

On a happier subject, however, I have finally and permanently fixed the problem with comments being reposted more than once.
 
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I’m surprised you guys put up with Mkultra, but I guess you have to have a token kook around to keep it interesting.

*******

Completely unrelated, but have you thought about a Hot List mechanism in the .Blog software that lists - somewhere near the top of the site - the 10 most actively commented posts (most comments in the last 14 days) so people can quickly get to them and dive in?

Many of the postings develop lively and interesting discussions that tend to die off prematurely because the posting is way down the page, or even gone. Now in some cases, people (Mkultra) drop a turd and then move on, never intending to back up their assertions, but I think other people forget or don’t want to scroll way down to find the older posts.

So, I think a hot list would encourge more discussion and of course more ad impressions.

 
Written By: Unknown
URL: http://
Actually, to really achieve what I’m talking about, you’d have to also provide a most recent post time (or something similar) like this:

Q&O Hot List

Post Comments Most Recent

Post 1 67 5m ago
Post 32 119 12m ago
Post 15 45 13m ago
Post 7 21 14m ago
etc.

Anyway, I digress.
 
Written By: Unknown
URL: http://
But mkultra doesn’t troll. I don’t mind of a commenter is disagreeable. I’m disagreeable. I don’t mind if a commenter hates everything I write.

But intentional trolling just for the sake of trolling is a waste of time.

Besides, mkultra, very, very rarely, has something useful to say.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
What did the guy say? I missed it. Must have been spectacular considereing some of the trolling I have seen here.
 
Written By: kyle N
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
Forgive me, but what is "trolling"?
I totally slept through blogging 101.

Any yeah, give us the dish... What was the final straw?
(this is fun, it’s kinda like high school again,..."uh Book, we’ve decided that you can’t hang out with us anymore")
;)

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
If I had to guess, and, I have to, it would be some wonderfully thoughtful
observation he made, like some of his more brilliant conclusions about the
world wide Jewish conspiracy...surely he must have had other brilliant ideas of
that nature that probably just got the better of his social filter and finally spewed forth....um I meant, flowed delicately from his culturally sensitive soul.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
My thoughts - though MK can push me to the edge of ripping out my own eyeballs, at some level he stays on topic. Not always logically on topic, but somewhere in the neighboring zip code.

Book, on the other hand, had a unique ability. McQ could post ’I really like the Braves chances this year with all the young talent they have’ and Book would find a way to accuse him of Zionist support, worldwide doom and ask why the US gives so much $ to Israel.

So I’m glad to say good bye to him - it was becoming a bothersome chore to steer around his comments to get to valuable input from others.

 
Written By: meagain
URL: http://
Pogue — "Trolling" is an old internet term for someone who leaves deliberately provocative and typically hostile comments just for the sake of getting a rise out of people and derailing productive discussion. As such, trolling is a bit of a nebulous and relative classification of behaviour. Someone who fit right in on Democratic Underground would be quickly labeled a troll if you transplanted them into FreeRepublic. Book’s sin here wasn’t just trolling per se, but being batshit crazy and often deliberately offensive while trolling. Or such is the impression I get.
 
Written By: Matt McIntosh
URL: http://conjecturesandrefutations.net/weblog/
Ah. Thanks Matt.
I thought it was such, but wasn’t sure. "Trolling" being a refference to fishing, I take.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Book’s sin here wasn’t just trolling per se, but being batshit crazy and often deliberately offensive while trolling. Or such is the impression I get.
Yeah, that’s pretty much it. "I disagree with you because" is fine. "You stupid winger" is unproductive, but generally tolerated. "You Zionist tool" is both unproductive and non sequitur.

Book didn’t really bother me that much, but we each have our B**kAdams. For some, MKUltra might be their B**kAdams. For others, JadeGold might be their B**kAdams. Dale’s B**kAdams just happened to be the actual B**kAdams.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
"Trolling" being a refference to fishing, I take.
Exactly - to troll you throw baited hooks off the back of your boat and slowly/silently move through the water... waiting for some unsuspecting fish to hit your line and then BAM! You have him. Ever seen those tiny motors on the front of a bass boat? They are called trolling motors.
 
Written By: meagain
URL: http://
Yeah, its just commenting to stir up trouble or fights. The most particular cases of Book being an illogical troll that I saw was in those posts about Hugo Chavez making those comments blaming Jews and then the debate on whether he meant Jews or just all white people. All Book would do would be to ask why McQ, Jon, or Dale refused to say how Israel was the most racist nation in history, his entire argument based on his failure to understand the difference between Israel’s immigration policy and the Law of Return. Basically he was arguing that Israel was racist because only Jews can become citizens, but that is false, as any research will show. The Law of return just means that any Jewish person can automatically become a citizen while non jews must go through a naturalization process similar to the processes in other countries.

Of course Book was deaf to all these arguments and kept trolling the non sequitur of asking why the qando guys kept defending Israel when Israel had little to nothing to do with the post or argument about the post.

Ok, thats why I saw of him, but I’m new here, so I probably missed some stuff.
 
Written By: Chris
URL: http://
I take no meaning from this, but it is kind of a strange co-incidence that this should come up so close in time to the WaPo’s recent troubles with it’s comment section.

That time of year, perhaps. (Chuckle)

I suppose any comment section is a target, as Joyner notes today.



 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitheads.blogspot.com
Well all I can say is that it’s a pretty dark day for Liberty and Free Speech when a feller can’t express his anti-Semitism to his fellow ’Mehrikuns. Can there be a greater example of the ZOG’s over-arching reach?

To some that might be an example of trolling or is it irony or satire...which on Fark would lead to an interminable argument about the definition and usage of "irony."
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Looks like foot in mouth disease (or is that head in ass) is going around these days...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/19/D8F82TA80.html
The Washington Post shut down one of its blogs Thursday after the newspaper’s ombudsman raised the ire of readers by writing that lobbyist Jack Abramoff gave money to the Democrats as well as to Republicans.

At the center of a congressional bribery investigation, Abramoff gave money to Republicans while he had his clients donate to both parties, though mostly to Republicans.

In her Sunday column, ombudsman Deborah Howell wrote that Abramoff "had made substantial campaign contributions to both major parties," prompting a wave of nasty reader postings on post.blog.

There were so many personal attacks that the newspaper’s staff could not "keep the board clean, there was some pretty filthy stuff," and so the Post shut down comments on the blog, or Web log, said Jim Brady, executive editor of washingtonpost.com.

"We’re not giving up on the concept of having a healthy public dialogue with our readers, but this experience shows that we need to think more carefully about how we do it," Brady wrote on the newspaper’s Web site. "There are things that we said we would not allow, including personal attacks, the use of profanity and hate speech."
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
BTW I’m of the opinion that as long as someone is contributing, and not making personal attacks, they should be allowed their posting privilages.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
I see trolling as a consistent effort to simply get a rise out of someone. As was mentioned, the person we banned was not trying to discuss anything, he was trying to get a reaction and push an agenda. He attempted to subvert every discussion to his agenda and he simply attacked people to get that reaction.

That’s not what these comment sections are for - and we know that absolutely since they’re our comment section and we get to decide what they’re for. ;) I had chosen to ignore the man. Dale simply decided enough is enough.

While each of us may, at times, say things for no other reason than to get a reaction (in a particularly "passionate" discussion), we don’t exclusively do so.

It is when a commenter is almost exclusively doing so that he or she crosses the line. And yes, we get to define "exclusively" as well. That is trolling.

We’ve officially banned two people in the entire time QandO has been up. This guy and a guy who posted a threat against another in a comment (and I corresponded with that guy by email afterward and told him why he was no longer welcome ... to his credit he took it well and understood). It’s not something we want to do or do lightly. But sometimes, well, it’s just necessary.

 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Unknown,

They do not keep track of time of day on this site, so your suggestion is not currently possible.
That would be on my wish list, but until my hostile takeover is complete, I will have to abide by their wishes. (j.k. :P )
 
Written By: anomdebus
URL: http://
The Defendant can not defend himself and Dale Franks deleted all the evidence. This is how a Trial is conducted at QandO? Just get a rope for mkultra...
 
Written By: logic
URL: http://
This is how a Trial is conducted at QandO?

Trial?

The trial was his behavior in the comment section. Unless you’re new here, you know the evidence. And if you know the evidence, you wouldn’t even be concerned that it is now deleted.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
The Defendant can not defend himself and Dale Franks deleted all the evidence. This is how a Trial is conducted at QandO?
Trial? There’s no trial.

This is a consensual exchange. The exchange lasts for as long as we consent to the exchange. If we decide we no longer wish to consent in the exchange, we end it. It’s that simple.

Evidence? We don’t need evidence. We don’t need any justifications at all. If we decide to withdraw our consent to the exchange because the day is cloudier than we find pleasant, then we will. We have no obligation to consent to make an exchange with anyone.

Why is it that people feel the need to use the language of Law and Rights when a situation like this comes up? Neither has any relevance. The only issue with any relvance at all is whether we consent to the exchange. If not, we discontinue the exchange.

That’s how free people deal with each other in free markets.
Just get a rope for mkultra...
And, yet, oddly, MK-Ultra has been welcome to comment here for months, while Book only lasted for a couple of weeks.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
Funny, how a lot of people will talk about Rights and Law, but the bad behavior always comes from a lack of responsibility.

*****

Do I hear the gravely voice of Stallone...

I am the law...

Your playground, your rules. Pretty standard practice on the internet.

It has always been a Privilege to speak in someone else’s house.

I enjoy the privilege that QandO affords me. And I do believe I’ve been responsible in using that privilege. Respect the owners of the house, and other vistors and you’ll not likely have any problems.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
Did Jon Henke really quote/paraphrase the iThree Amigos!? That’s hilarious! But I’ll have to make a mental note not to call him a "Zionist tool" the next time I see him...
 
Written By: Wulf
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
While you have the absolute right to erase all traces of the person in question, I think it a bad policy.
 
Written By: Owanax
URL: http://
While you have the absolute right to erase all traces of the person in question, I think it a bad policy.
Well, then you probably shouldn’t implement it on your own blog, then.

I on the other hand, decline to give trollers even the minimum of satisfaction in knowing that their previous work still exists.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net

 
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