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I guess this is what not having a hit in 40 years will do
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, January 22, 2006

Remember how grindingly tiresome those "right wingers" became as they continually attacked Bill Clinton over every little thing and eventually so alienated the majority of the public that they hurt their own effort?

An example of the left wing version:
Entertainer Harry Belafonte, one of the Bush administration's harshest critics, compared the Homeland Security Department to the Nazi Gestapo on Saturday and attacked the president as a liar.
Boom. We're done. HLS equals the Gestapo? You just quit reading at that point and study the picture of Belefonte to see if he has his tinfoil hat on. When hyperbole such as his is given even passing attention its too much and I hesitate doing so.

But my point here is this doesn't help the left wing any more than the rabid and outspoken anti-Clintonistas helped the right wing during the Clinton years. You'd think the left might have learned that then, but apparently, if Belafonte is any indication, the lesson was lost on them as well.
 
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Come mister tally man, I have gone bananas...Daylight come and it’s time to bash Bush
 
Written By: Steverino
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Perhaps, he and some of the other not cases is seem to think we’ve lost all these rights, can explain to us... if we’ve lost the right to speak out, how is it he’s still walking around, and spouting?
 
Written By: Bithead
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Kanye West take note....this is YOU in 20 years.
 
Written By: shark
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No. The fact is, he’ll never live that long. .
Which, I suppose, can be taken as a good thing.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Yeah, it sure is a sign of extreme hatred and sickness to compare George Bush to a terrorist or a Nazi. What kind of loon would do that?

Now, anyway, let’s get back to talking about how John Kerry and Howard Dean sound just like Osama bin Laden and how they’re on the side of Al Qaeda, because that’s super rational and responsible debate.
 
Written By: Eddie
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Is this clown still a spokesperson for UNESCO? If so, why?

Gack. I did some poking around at the UNESCO site. Is it their official mission to make the world safe for socialism?
 
Written By: W
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No, Eddie, you got it backwards. It is about how Osama sounds like Kerry and Dean.

It’s so ironic that Belafonte compares the DHS to the Gestapo, but has failed to condem the Cuban government for at least the past 27 years he has visited the island.
 
Written By: ElcubanitoKC
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No. The fact is, he’ll never live that long. . Which, I suppose, can be taken as a good thing.
WTF?!?!?! Three questions:

1) Why is it a "fact" that Kanye West will not live 20 years?

2) Why would his early demise be a "good thing"?

3) What kind of sick asshole predicts the early death of political opponents and says it can be "taken as a good thing"?
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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I don’t recall hearing any progressive politician support what Belefonte has said.

Clearly, he’s a few bananas short of a "six foot, seven foot, eight foot bunch." ;)
 
Written By: Bryon Rogers
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3) What kind of sick asshole predicts the early death of political opponents and says it can be "taken as a good thing"?

Well, Julianne Malveaux, among others. But you’re right, it’s a sick thing to do.
 
Written By: Steverino
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1) Why is it a "fact" that Kanye West will not live 20 years?

Every "rapper" that has come down the pike and made it as big as this moron has, has gotten his ass shot off... usually by a fellow rapper... within five years of making it ’big’. Combine that with the booze and drugs and whatever else and frankly If I were an insurance company I wouldn’t be thinking seriously about taking a policy out on him.

I can’t say the political side will any tears when this idiot finally buys it. THen again, I don’t really care, either way politically speaking. Then again, my comment is not about politics but about lifestyle ...and a personally destructive lifestyle to everyone who adopts it.

That eventual destruction being a good thing is open to interpretation, but my thought is,the more deaths obviously attached to a particular lifestyle, means the less smart people will become involved with it.
I don’t recall hearing any progressive politician support what Belefonte has said.
I don’t see anyone on the left denouncing him, either.
Perhaps their fear is being called a "sick asshole" for speaking the truth.
 
Written By: Bithead
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But my point here is this doesn’t help the left wing any more than the rabid and outspoken anti-Clintonistas helped the right wing during the Clinton years. You’d think the left might have learned that then, but apparently, if Belafonte is any indication, the lesson was lost on them as well.


McQ - did your mother drop you on your head, or were you born that way?

Why do you believe that Belafonte represents "the left." Has he run for office? Held office? Won a primary? Headed a political party? No, no, no, and no.

Is this the best post you could come up with?

I don’t think you are a racist. I think you are simply a tool of the right. But today on Meet the Press, Russert asked Barak Obama about Belafonte’s statement. Why did he do that, do you think? Do you think Russert is a racist? Why or why not? Do you think that Russert think Russert is a racist?

More to the point, why do you take the time to cite the ramblings of a man who you acknowledge is famous only because he had musical hits more than 40 years ago? And why do you assume that the left has endorsed Belafonte as some kind of spokesperson?

Your post here is just weird. Partisan as always. But more than that, it is just weird.

 
Written By: mkultra
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Every "rapper" that has come down the pike and made it as big as this moron has, has gotten his ass shot off... usually by a fellow rapper... within five years of making it ’big’.
Well, that’s just obviously a lie. Tupac and Notorious B.I.G were killed. Then there was, uh...

Puff Daddy, JayZ, Fat Joe, Snoop Dogg, etc (I could go on, but I’d have to look it up) are all doing just fine, thank you.

Kanye West is not a gangsta rapper, and throwing him in with them is ridiculous. You simply don’t know anything about his "lifestyle". But you have no problem, apparently, with lauding his hypothetical death; something you’d decry long and loud if it came from DailyKos.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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Whereas you clearly have no problem defedning it, from nasty people like me.

But... ad here’s the thing... they don’t need you, Jon... Your mouth apparently doesn’t serve their purposes. Ya see...Those people as you mention? Including West? They’ve all got heavily armed guards for those purposes.

Gee.
I wonder why they think they’d need those?

No sale, Jon.
And by the way, that’s twice in one thread.


 
Written By: Bithead
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Whereas you clearly have no problem defedning it, from nasty people like me.
Defending what?
But... ad here’s the thing... they don’t need you, Jon... Your mouth apparently doesn’t serve their purposes. Ya see...Those people as you mention? Including West? They’ve all got heavily armed guards for those purposes.
What does that have to do with anything? You said that "Every" big rapper had been shot within 5 years of "making it". Clearly, that’s bullshit.

You went on to argue that West dying prematurely would be "a good thing". Which is just vicious and disgusting.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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Why do you believe that Belafonte represents "the left." Has he run for office? Held office? Won a primary? Headed a political party? No, no, no, and no.
Do you fit any of those descriptions MK?

No?

But, by your own admission, you definitely represent the left. Belafonte and MK essentially say the same thing. He just has a bigger microphone than you do.

You must have a monopoly on red herring. Why not quit trying to debate (you’re simply awful at it) and sell fish instead, eh?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
What does that have to do with anything? You said that "Every" big rapper had been shot within 5 years of "making it". Clearly, that’s bullshit.
Apparently... given those guards... they’re not nearly as dismissive of the idea, as are you.
Which is just vicious and disgusting
Is it vicious and disgusting to note that smokers die younger than non-smokers?
That drunk drivers don’t tend to live as long?

Apparently, you have a problem with people speaking the truth, Jon.


 
Written By: Bithead
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Apparently... given those guards... they’re not nearly as dismissive of the idea, as are you.
Oh good lord. We haven’t even established that West goes around with a lot of bodyguards, but so what if he does? Celebrities frequently have bodyguards. What’s more, you’ve conflated West with gangsta rappers, which he clearly is not.
Is it vicious and disgusting to note that smokers die younger than non-smokers? That drunk drivers don’t tend to live as long?
No, you fool. It’s vicious and disgusting to say that their death "can be taken as a good thing".
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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Bithead,
Is it vicious and disgusting to note that smokers die younger than non-smokers?
That drunk drivers don’t tend to live as long?
Both of the observations above are based on scientific and statistical evidence.

Do you have statistical evidence showing that the expected life span of a rapper is shorter than the average expected life span of a musical artist?

Or do you just have anecdotal evidence and prejudice?
 
Written By: Shinobi
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Oh, please.
Fights... usually bloody ones... are more prevelant at Rap concerts than at Hockey games. No shock; the copncert goers are merely emulating what goes on in the leves of the stars they follow.

I’ve already addressed this; over a year ago.
"SANTA MONICA, Calif. (AP) -: A fight broke out near the stage at the Vibe awards ceremony as rapper Snoop Dogg and producer Quincy Jones were preparing to honor Dr. Dre., and one person was stabbed, authorities and witnesses said."."
Can anyone come up with big name Jazz acts having this kind of reputation? Bigtime Rock acts? When’s the last time we heard of a knife fight at the Philharmonic? I don’t recall anything like this at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville in all the years that’s been running, do you? I’ve been unable to find records of anything of the like happening down at the theatre district in Branson, MO. I haven’t seen anything like this on the Gospel Music circuits, or the Modern Christian music circles, either.

Ya know, at some point, someone’s going to figure out that there’s a rather well-established pattern, here. And no, this is not a ’racial profiling’ thing. This is a ’rap profile’ thing, and it’s getting as predictable as the outcome of tossing a can of gasoline on a campfire.

Prevention of this nonsense permeating our society is not something that requires government intervention.

It doesn’t even require ’black leaders’ to mouth their nonsense. What it WILL require is individuals to walk away from the rap scene as self-destructive.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Can anyone come up with big name Jazz acts having this kind of reputation? Bigtime Rock acts?
Ever hear of a mosh pit? Altamont? GnR St Louis or Philadelphia? The recent Woodstock?
What it WILL require is individuals to walk away from the rap scene as self-destructive.
Yeah, it might also help if preening moralists learned to distinguish between hip-hop and gangsta rap.

It’s also be useful if those hip-hop stars were to include a socially conscious, even religious message. Like, you know, Kanye West does.

But you think the death of such stars "can be taken as a good thing". Because, apparently, aside from almost complete ignorance about Kanye West, you are also a vicious jerk.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Yeah, it might also help if preening moralists learned to distinguish between hip-hop and gangsta rap.
Rather reminds me of a line from a movie... "We play both kinds of music... country AND western."

Jon, the places you cite don’t hold a candle to the average rap concert today, and you know it. The reason those got so out of hand was because the security types were simply unprepared for the violence; It was unusual at the least... at the time.

At a rap concert, these days, they bring more security because they know what such usualy brings in.. which is the only reason we’ve not had more in the way of serious incidents than we’ve had..

But I note very light security the last time I went to see Don Williams, for example, or Bruce Hornsby, or even Yes.
But you think the death of such stars "can be taken as a good thing".
If they’re to be taken as much of anything, yes.
you are also a vicious jerk.
No, just brutally truthful. And, the truth is often vicious.

 
Written By: Bithead
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Hi dear. What did you learn on the internet today?
Well, I was reading qando about Belafonte’s crazy rambling and what they thought of it.
What was the upshot?
Well, I am not really sure. I think if you know the difference between hip-hop music and gansta rap, Belafonte hasn’t had a hit in forty years. And he badmouths America, but not Cuba. And some of the commenters are considered by Jon to be preening moralists.
Did you say qando?
Yes. They are a political and a music internet magazine.
Oh.
I have never heard any of the music they discuss, I guess you have to look for it. Or maybe it is on MTV.
Oh.
Yeah, I guess I can claim that I regularly follow a music internet magazine.
That’s nice.
 
Written By: Notherbob2
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Look, I’m not sure how we got around to discussing the mortality rates of rap stars (or why you’ve conflated such wildly disparate branches of hip-hop as that practiced by West and that practiced by gangsta rappers), but it’s completely beside the point.

The point is that you say the death of somebody whose politics you oppose "can be taken as a good thing" and that, as far as I’m concerned, is just about the most despicable thing I’ve seen in the blogosphere. Go away. Please, don’t spend your time on this blog. I have no desire to be associated with people who say such things.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
The point is that you say the death of somebody whose politics you oppose "can be taken as a good thing" and that, as far as I’m concerned, is just about the most despicable thing I’ve seen in the blogosphere.

Oh dear. I was going to say that it could be taken as a good thing if Osama were to die.

I guess that statement wouldn’t be welcomed here.

 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Oh dear. I was going to say that it could be taken as a good thing if Osama were to die.

I guess that statement wouldn’t be welcomed here.
I think there’s a little difference between a poltical enemy and an enemy who’s killed your fellow countrymen and it’s a bit disingenuous to conflate the two.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
What McQ said. I disagree with Kanye West, but Kanye West isn’t trying to kill me.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
The point is that you say the death of somebody whose politics you oppose "can be taken as a good thing" and that, as far as I’m concerned, is just about the most despicable thing I’ve seen in the blogosphere. Go away. Please, don’t spend your time on this blog. I have no desire to be associated with people who say such things.
I didn’t say I’d wished him dead, Jon. Nor do I now.

I consider that he’s killing HIMSELF.... I said SELF-destructive, remember? Which casts my statement in a different light altogether.

And, you brand ME a "preening moralist"?

Gee.
Nice horse.
Can I see the front half, now?
 
Written By: Bithead
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And, McQ... ’ve already addressed this; "Political Enemy" doesn’t enter into it. Indeed, ’enemy’ of ANY kind. I couldn’t care much about him either way.

Do not mistake a generalized statement as one containing malice for an individual.

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitheads.blogspot.com
Since you so obviously need a clue I’m going to be a nice guy, and give you one.

From the beginning I have suggested that the man would likely destroy himself. Such occasions regardless who it is are generally considered "senseless" the one way the detention occasion can be taken as any kind of a positive and it goes around the senseless death learn that maybe they hadn’t ought to duplicate the behavior. That’s how we’ve been learning as a society ever since Grok got into those funny looking mushrooms.

That you consider that reasoning process so particularly vicious and offensive tells me all I need to know about why you’re making the noises you are; One of two reasons leap forward; Either you are so completely devoid of reasoning as to miss the single conclusion, (WHich I doubt) or; You’re looking for an excuse to take offense.

 
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