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For Hamas, there must be consequences
Posted by: McQ on Friday, February 03, 2006

I'm with Charles Krauthammer on this. Hamas won the election in Palestine fair and square. But just because Hamas won the election does it mean we have to accept the will of the people without question? Imagine David Duke winning a seat in the House of Representatives. Does his win suddenly make his ideas legitimate? Do they mean that others have to now accept him without reservation?

Of course not. He would be ostracized and isolated until he renounced his disgusting philosophy and recognized that all races are equal. And he'd be given no support whatsoever until he did so.
The world must impress upon the Palestinians that there are consequences for their choices. And so long as they choose rejectionism — the source of a 60-year conflict the Israelis have long been ready to resolve — the world will not continue to support and subsidize them.

And that means cutting off Hamas completely: no recognition, no negotiation, no aid, nothing. And not just assistance to a Hamas government, but all assistance. The Bush administration suggests continuing financial support for ``humanitarian'' services. This is a serious mistake.
As Krauthammer points out, aid is fungible, so for ever dollar given to Hamas for "humanitarian" services, a dollar is freed up to buy weapons and bombs and to fund terrorist activities.

The softning of our stance in regard to Hamas is self-defeating. As long as we pretend to be concerned with the humanitarian aspects as an excuse for continuing to fund Hamas, the longer the rejection of Israel and the violence it produces will continue.

The Palestinians have chosen their leadership knowing full well what that means. A tip of the cap to them for doing so democratically. But just as the choices of a dictator have consequences, so do those of a putative democracy. It's time the rest of the world stood firm and refused to support a government that has declared it's intention to continue to pursue it's goal of destroying it's neighbor.

UPDATE: Gerard Baker, writing in The Times, agrees and extends the policy to Iran:
Our job in the West is to make clear by ostracising the lunatics of Hamas and Tehran that there is no future for them and the people they purport to lead in their hateful and distorted ideology. We should encourage, through practical support, those in the region who favour a better way. But we must also, in our own societies, resist the pressure to tolerate the intolerance of Islamist extremism.
Daniel Pipes also chimes in:
I also expect that, despite bold statements about how it will not change, Hamas will play along with the verbal demands on it. Feeling a financial pinch and diplomatic pressure, its leaders will adopt Arafat's habit of delivering opaque hints and saying one thing in English and another in Arabic. Like Arafat, they might even "renounce" terrorism or pretend to change their Protocols-laced covenant.
This is something to be watched closely. Arafat ran that game for literally decades ... saying just enough to keep the money flowing but not enough to be rejected outright by the Palestinian people (thereby maintaining his power) for giving too much. Pipes feels Hamas may commit to the same game. The question is, will the west again fall for the ploy.

Jimmy Carter hopes Hamas will act 'responsibly'and Bill Clinton is hinting we should deal with them:
Indeed, what Yossi Klein Halevi calls "the era of the wink and the hint" has already begun, with Hamas largely desisting from terrorism against Israel during its declared tahdiya (calming down) in 2005, then somewhat moderating its rhetoric in recent weeks; for example, it proposed a 15-year truce with Israel. The makeover shows signs of success: former president Bill Clinton, often an opinion bellwether, has just urged the Bush administration to consider dealing with Hamas.
Wonderful. Will the era of consequence free terrorism continue or will the West finally make a stand.

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I have a good test to see if Hamas can do it....have an Israeli paper publish some of those stupid cartoons of Mohammad and wave it in front of their faces.
 
Written By: shark
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There’s nothing ’democratic’ about it. To be democratic means to advance or advocate democracy - something they don’t believe in. Just because they won a popular vote doesn’t mean democracy is slowly seething in.

Quite the opposite actually.
 
Written By: Derek
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In short, all the Palastinian election did, was to force us to acknoledge what we’ve known all along... that peace isn’t what these people are about.... that the "peace process" was an expensive, bloody, and fruitless sham, and always has been.

That the Beltway seem bent on ducking what everyone knows is exactly the wrong move.
 
Written By: Bithead
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In short, all the Palastinian election did, was to force us to acknoledge what we’ve known all along... that peace isn’t what these people are about.... that the "peace process" was an expensive, bloody, and fruitless sham, and always has been.
Most of us would agree...but there are others who argue that this is a stepping stone towards a democratic government - one that somehow involves peace.

Ask Mr.Carter what he thinks.
 
Written By: Derek
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Israel is more segregated than the American South of the 1950s.

In America during the 1960s, violent groups like the Black Panthers, the Simbianeze Liberation Army, the Weather Undergound and the Students for a Democratic Society "fought for justice," against segregation, engaging in murder, arson, rape, and assault.

Wouldn’t the equivelent of the Black Panthers, etc., be organizations like Hamas?
 
Written By: Jill Henry
URL: http://www.nationalvanguard.org
I don’t know Jill ... how many Jews are living among the Palestinians?

We know there are Arabs (and Palestinians) living among the Israelis (and, in fact, even hold seats in the Kineset). I don’t see how you can make the claim that Israel is more segregated than the Palestinians. Furthermore, I see no particular relevance to the point.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
No Jill Hamas...No you’re RIGHT Jill, Hamas DOES = those groups you’ve mentioned. Violent losers, dedicated to over-throwing a fairly decent system. So I agree Hamas IS the SLA and the The Weather Underground (WeatherMEN for the purists). Our difference is that you may LIKE the SLA and I don’t so whereas you see your comparison as a compliment to Hamas I don’t.
 
Written By: Joe
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Israel is more segregated than the American South of the 1950s

Yeah, those "Palestinians only" water fountains sure are a drag. And making them have to sit at the back of the bus (assuming some other palestinian doesn’t blow it up) is just awful.

At any rate, your point........it just isn’t there. At what point did the Black Panthers gain their own independent state and vow to drive whitey into the sea?

"I’m sorry to spoil your black panther party" -Forrest Gump
 
Written By: shark
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McQ, you answer your own question (paritally):
Arafat ran that game for literally decades ... saying just enough to keep the money flowing but not enough to be rejected outright by the Palestinian people (thereby maintaining his power) for giving too much.
Arafat is the template that all future leaders in the area will follow. THink of Hamas as being PLO circa 1975: fresh off a terrorism binge that has made them a force to be reckoned with (in that case, the de-facto annexation of southern Lebanon) they are now being encouraged by the West to "negotiate a peace" with the promise of "substantial assistance". The West, then as now, is all-too-willing to foot the bill. The only question remaining, IMHO, is will Hamas take 20 years to get with the program or will it come sooner?
 
Written By: D
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As they say, power corrupts.

I wonder how it feels to know that if you just moderated your beleifs you could get your hands on millions of Euros?
 
Written By: Harun
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"former president Bill Clinton, often an opinion bellwether, has just urged the Bush administration to consider dealing with Hamas."

Yes because dealing with Arafat in 90’s turned out so well.
 
Written By: IR
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I note an interesting parallel... the consiquences of which I freely admit I’ve not fully mapped yet. But it’s an interesting offshoot, anyway;

I gave some folks here some serious hell for suggesting that electing Democrats because Republicans weren’t right-wing enough was perhaps the way to go. I suggested at the time that they’d get the whole Democrat package.. which clearly (On spending, for examlpe) is the wrong direction to go. Further, their vote for Democrats would be read and touted as SUPPORT for Democrats.

The parallel I note here is that the Palastinian people...(Do such exist?) elected Hamas.

The stated reason may give is Fatah was corrupted and not getting the job done, which is a fair enough statement. So, they elect Hamas... in spite of their war- like anti-israel stand.

Or is it BECAUSE of that stand they were elected?

More than granted they’re not exact equals. But it seems to me the foundations of each pairing are fairly similar... enough to cause one to go "hmmm"

 
Written By: Bithead
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"[An elected representative] would be ostrisized (sic) and isolated until he renounced his disgusting philosophy and recognized ..."

* all races are equal
* abortion is murder
* war is no solution for anything
* religion belongs in school
* secondhand smoke kills
* your hot button issue

"And he’d be given no support whatsoever until he did so."

The First Amendment would probably be too incendiary for enactment today.
 
Written By: The Owner’s Manual
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Forbes magazine put Arafat’s personal fortune at somewhere around $330 Million. It also suggests that every dollar that the PA spent was personally authorized by him. I know this suggestion is totally off the wall, but what if, Fatah was a corrupt organization that was really more interested in lining its own pockets than it was making peace, building a country, or making life better for its people.


As republicans I realize you may have trouble believing that politicians could possibly be interested in what best for them first and foremost, the country be d*mned. In countries where they have no republicans, its common.


Anyway, its just possible the Palestinians didn’t vote for war. Its possible they just voted the corrupt rascals out thinking "how much worse can they be than Fatah?"
 
Written By: cindy
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Its possible they just voted the corrupt rascals out thinking "how much worse can they be than Fatah?"
...It’s also very possible that you have a kool-aid ring around your mouth.
 
Written By: Derek
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Cindy:

I think Krauthammer pretty well answered your point:
The Palestinian people have spoken. According to their apologists, sure, Hamas wants to destroy Israel, wage permanent war and send suicide bombers into discotheques to drive nails into the skulls of young Israelis, but what the Palestinians were really voting for was efficient garbage collection.

It is time to stop infantilizing the Palestinians. As Hamas leader Khaled Meshal said in a news conference four days after the election, ``The Palestinian people have chosen Hamas with its known stances.’’ By a landslide, the Palestinian people have chosen these known stances: rejectionism, Islamism, terrorism, rank anti-Semitism, and the destruction of Israel in a romance of blood, death and revolution. Garbage collection on Wednesdays.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
We know there are Arabs (and Palestinians) living among the Israelis (and, in fact, even hold seats in the Kineset). I don’t see how you can make the claim that Israel is more segregated than the Palestinians. Furthermore, I see no particular relevance to the point. Written By: McQ
McQ is so biased in favor of Israel that his denial is absurd.
 
Written By: Sol
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McQ is so biased in favor of Israel that his denial is absurd.
Ah, I see my favorite anti-semite has a new ID and new IP. It won’t take long for him to overstay his welcome (Hint: you can always tell by certain characteristics of his posts. One, for instance, is the link which does nothing to make his point, and in most cases, damages it).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
My favorite Zionist-tool McQ still flogging the poor innocent Palestinians? How ’bout we move Israel to Westphalia instead...for world peace. Either that or we arm them with their own nukes to make the fight fair. After they won the election fair-and-square the USA cuts off their money? Starve ’em into letting the Jews steal their land? Nah...
 
Written By: Sol
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