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Dishonest Punditry
Posted by: Jon Henke on Monday, February 06, 2006

Think Progress just makes stuff up...
Boehner: I’d Consider Stepping Aside As Majority Leader For Tom DeLay
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In case there was any doubt about where Boehner’s loyalties lie, he cleared it up this morning on Meet the Press. Boehner said that if DeLay is cleared of the criminal charges against him, Boehner would consider stepping aside and letting Delay assume his old role:
And then they actually reproduce the transcript — full context here — in which one discovers that Boehner never actually said that. Russert repeatedly pressed him on whether he would step aside from Tom DeLay, or even consider doing so, and Boehner repeatedly said that, should DeLay be acquitted and try to return to power, Boehner would "talk" to him about it. He specifically did not say that he would "consider" it.

Think Progress is often useful. In this instance, however, they're being thoroughly dishonest.

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Back in 2002, Glenn Reynolds wrote that...
"Were it really to become all-out war of the sort that Osama and his ilk want, the likely result would be genocide — unavoidable, and provoked, perhaps, but genocide nonetheless ... That's what happens when two societies can't live together, and the weaker one won't stop fighting..."
This post was vilified by much of the left blogosphere in Max Sawicky's "Vicious Instapundit Blogroll Contest", ultimately winning. Atrios linked the contest, including the announcement of the winner, with apparent approval. Reynolds' said that "when two societies can't live together, and the weaker one won't stop fighting" the result may be genocide, and Sawicky called that "a recipe for the production of cannon fodder".

Meanwhile, in 2006, Atrios writes...
Certainly an Iran-with-nukes could blow the hell out of a city or two, but an Iran that did such a thing would pretty much cease to exist. It isn't mutually assured destruction, it's you [f**k] with us a little bit and YOU NO LONGER LIVE BITCHES!
Which is exactly what Instapundit wrote. I eagerly await the rousing condemnation of the left side of the blogosphere.

UPDATE:

I'm reminded of what Joseph Pulitzer said...
A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. The power to mould the future of the Republic will be in the hands of the journalists of future generations.
Like it or not, Atrios — and bloggers, in general — are a part of today's press. And Atrios is the very definition of cynical, mercenary and demagogic.
 
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Either Boehner would consider it, or he wouldn’t. If he says he would "talk" to Delay about it, would that put him in the "would consider" camp, or the "would not consider" camp.

To me, if you were NOT considering it, there would be no reason to talk to Delay. No reason at all.

Put another way, if Boenher was not considering it, here is how the conversation should have gone:
RUSSERT: If he [DeLay] is acquitted and chooses to come back to Washington and wants to become Majority Leader again, would you step aside?

BOEHNER: No. Next question.
Why be so mealy mouthed?
 
Written By: mkultra
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Diplomacy, MK. Tact.

For example, if I were asked my response should Helga "the Mountain" Dragonstein ask me out on a date, I would say that I’d have to "talk to her about it". That’s a tactful way of saying "I’ll tell her no, but that’s a private conversation and I don’t plan to embarass her in public needlessly about a question she hasn’t even asked".
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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Diplomacy, MK. Tact.
Perhaps ... but reform would seem to demand some straight shootin’, lest people get the wrong idea.

OTOH, perhaps you have got a thing for Ms. Dragonstein - after all, there is no accounting for taste.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Which is exactly what Instapundit wrote. I eagerly await the rousing condemnation of the left side of the blogosphere.
Perhaps the problem lies in Reynold’s phrasing. You see, he was eloquent and avoided vulgarity, and that’s always a more "vicious" approach, isn’t it?
 
Written By: J_Zaner
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Think Progress is often useful. In this instance, however, they’re being thoroughly dishonest. -Jon Henke
Almost as dishonest as deleting every single comment someone ever made on the QandO weblog. As if it never was posted. Pot calling the kettle black?
 
Written By: observer
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Almost as dishonest as deleting every single comment someone ever made on the QandO weblog. As if it never was posted. Pot calling the kettle black?
Or almost as dishonest as returning after many times being told to stay away.

Damn Book - get a grip! Oh, and then get the H*LL our of here.
 
Written By: meagain
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In the excerpted portions, Instapundit uses the word "genocide" and Atrios does not.

Atrios does sound like a frat boy at a kegger, spouting a Chappelle-inspired line. But the message is simply that today, if nukes are launched by a nation against another nation that also has nukes, a retaliation in kind is essentially a given. Hardly an unremrakble proposition.

Instapundit suggests a genocide is possible. To most minds, genocide is systematic destruction of a race or ethnic group, regardless of the political boundaries they inhabit. Moreover, because Muslims exist in all nations, practically, and in all ethnic groups, (ever heard of Indonesia, B*tches?!!!), what the hell is Instapundit even saying? Even if one were to characterize the killings of all Muslims as genocide, how exactly would carrying out such a grand exercise in extermination even be possible.

But you’re right, Atrios is saying now what the professor was saying then. And 2 + 2 = 5.

BTW, how did you get B*itches past the new filter? Just curious.

OH - AND WHEN DO WE START REFERRING TO HIM AS B*SH? VERY CURIOUS.
 
Written By: mkultra
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MK, if you’re really a lawyer you must be a really bad one. Your arguments are consistently based on easily contradicted evidence.

You left out "national group" from your definition of genocide. Did you do that on purpose, or were you just sloppy? Considering that Instapundit used national groups as his examples of genocide, you’ve left out an important part of the definition.

Are you trying to argue that destroying all the innocent Persians in Iran would not be considered genocide by people all over the world?

 
Written By: JWG
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But the message is simply that today, if nukes are launched by a nation against another nation that also has nukes, a retaliation in kind is essentially a given. Hardly an unremrakble proposition.
No, it’s absolutely not a remarkable proposition. I daresay few would disagree. But then, neither is Reynolds suggestion that, should a people of someo specific state, region or religion decide to fight to the death against us, it will probably end with an awful lot of death — hopefully, theirs. The argument is the same in either case: total war will be met with total war, and the results will certainly be horrendous for those who fight us.
BTW, how did you get B*itches past the new filter? Just curious.
The filter must not apply to the posts.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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Oh, and then get the H*LL our of here. Written By: meagain

Free Markets, Free People.
 
Written By: franklin
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so franklin you want to extend Books freedom by taking away McQ’s and Dale’s and Jon’s freedom? care to make that argument? Oh no, you were just trying to be snarky by trying to ignorantly use the owners’ of this sites beliefs against them.
 
Written By: Chris
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Franklin, are you trying to argue that people should be free to come into someone else’s home and then shout anti-semitic remarks without being asked to leave?

I think you are confusing freedom from government control with freedom to do whatever one pleases on someone else’s property. It shouldn’t be confusing at all.

 
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Franklin, are you trying to argue that people should be free to come into someone else’s home and then shout anti-semitic remarks without being asked to leave? -JWG
JWG, are you trying to argue that critical comments about Israel in a political internet forum is tatamount to "shouting" anti-Semitic remarks in someone’s home? You yourself debated someone at great length over the Israel/Palestine issue only to then insist later that the entire thread be deleted by Dale Franks. Get real and admit that Israel/Palestine is a taboo subject at QandO. QandO is certified Kosher for Israel.
 
Written By: franklin
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QandO is certified Kosher for Israel.
That really helps us understand where you are coming from. Thanks.
 
Written By: meagain
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Goodbye Book...go link to your Jewish hate/conspiracy sites on someone else’s blog.
 
Written By: JWG
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...go link to your Jewish hate/conspiracy sites on someone else’s blog. Written By: JWG

QandO forbids comments that are critical of Israel and supportive of the Palestinian people?
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Written By: franklin
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Go away, Book. I’m not going to relink to or relist your favorite sites that do much more than merely criticize Israeli policies in order to re-demonstrate your vile and obsessive nature.
 
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I’m not going to relink to or relist your favorite sites that do much more than merely criticize Israeli policies in order to re-demonstrate your vile and obsessive nature. Written By: JWG

an example of "Dishonest Punditry" if there ever was one...
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