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Cartoons & Looney Tunes
Posted by: Dale Franks on Tuesday, February 07, 2006

Thomas Lifson pronounces the whole Cartoon Crisis as a conspiracy. A put-up job by Muslim extremists.
The cartoon crisis which has left embassies ablaze and sparked riots from Beirut to Bangkok and Jarkarta was a set-up job, planned and executed by a group of Muslim leaders from Denmark in concert with leading lights of the Islamic world. The conspirators used supremely inflammatory phony cartoons never published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten to gin up a campaign of violence and intimidation against Denmark, the EU, and the West.
Apparently, these Muslim leaders grabbed the cartoons that appeared in the Jyllands Posten, then, made a couple of new cartoons on their own, including one that portrayed Mohammed1 with the nose of a pig. It's hard to imagine a more deliberately inflammatory image than that, considering the usual Muslim rage at anything even mildly porcine. But, crowds in Muslim countries were never told that the really offensive cartoons were apparently concocted by....Muslims.
The instantaneous availability of Danish flags for burning in obscure outposts of the Muslim world suggests a great deal of advance planning.
Yeah. I live in Southern California. SoCal is a multicultural community of communities and all that, but, to paraphrase Mark Steyn, if it was two in the afternoon, and I needed to pick up a Syrian flag to burn at the local "Down with Assad" rally at five o'clock, I'm not exactly sure where I would have to go to pick one up. And, all other things being equal, I'm wiling to bet that, in, say, Lebanon, Danish flags aren't too thick on the ground, either.

But, the fact that this all seems to be a set-up doesn't appear to matter to the Danes. As Lee Harris explains, the Danes appear to be more concerned with trying to sweep the whole thing under the rug, than in standing up to the fanatics.
Consider the reaction of the Danish government to the cartoon wars. Instead of taking a heroic stand and telling the Muslim world that in Denmark freedom of expression is every bit as sacred to them as Mohammed is to the Muslims, the Danish government has announced "that Danish courts will determine whether the newspaper [that] originally published the cartoons...is guilty of blasphemy."

Not so very long ago, the notion that a liberal Western nation, at the beginning of the 21st century, could threaten a newspaper on the charge of blasphemy would have seemed utterly ridiculous. It would have appeared unthinkable that any Western government would even consider using "the crime of blasphemy" as a method for censoring the freedom of expression that the West has struggled so ferociously to achieve. Indeed, every liberal Western nation would have immediately condemned the restitution of the charge of blasphemy as a throw back to a long superceded stage in the development of human freedom. Yet where in the West do you find any government attacking the Danes for having reintroduced a crime that the West ceased to take seriously since the age of the Enlightenment? If those who are trying to appease radical Muslims are prepared to bring back the Inquisition, all in the name of Islam, then where is the so-called clash between the Islam and the West?

The behavior of the Danish government does not suggest that we are in the midst of a clash of civilizations, but, rather, that we are watching a civilization that has lost its sense of purpose capitulating before a civilization that continues to believe, and to believe fanatically, in its own mission.
So, now the Danish courts will take a look at the blasphemy question. Huh. One might have expected the Danes to defend a free press. Others might have expected the Danes to grovel apologetically. But no one, I think, expected the Spanish Inquisition.

But then, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition. It always comes as a surprise, which, as is well known, is its main weapon.

But the example cited makes Mr. Harris' point more relevant, in that, to have a clash of civilizations, both civilizations have to want to clash, i.e., each has to want to defend its culture and traditions. When one side is prepared to capitulate at the first sign of trouble then what you have isn't a "clash", whatever else it might be.

And it's not just the Danes. As Christopher Hitchens points out the Bush Administration seems extraordinarily keen to stay on the good side of "The Religion of Peace™".
As well as being a small masterpiece of inarticulacy and self-abnegation, the statement from the State Department about this week's international Muslim pogrom against the free press was also accidentally accurate.
"Anti-Muslim images are as unacceptable as anti-Semitic images, as anti-Christian images, or any other religious belief."
Thus the hapless Sean McCormack, reading painfully slowly from what was reported as a prepared government statement. How appalling for the country of the First Amendment to be represented by such an administration. What does he mean "unacceptable"? That it should be forbidden? And how abysmal that a "spokesman" cannot distinguish between criticism of a belief system and slander against a people.
So, the Bush Administration is no less craven, when the chips are down, than anyone else. Moreover, the Administration's statement isn't even true. In fact, anti-Christian or anti-Semitic images are perfectly acceptable. State Department hacks don't issue irate, mouth-breathing public statements every time some Arab newspaper cartoonist takes a shot at Christians or Jews. It's only a State Department matter when Muslims get offended, at which time defending a free press is pretty low on the Administration's list of priorities.

Newspapers in Muslim countries, of course, feel perfectly free to portray non-Muslims, especially Jews, as snakes, monkeys, and pigs as a matter of course. Nor are they shy about blithely reproducing the most hideous blood libels as fact. But then, the press in Muslim countries isn't exactly free, either.

Which brings up another point, in that, in police states—which, Iraq and Afghanistan excepted, is precisely what Arab Muslim states are—there's no such thing as a "spontaneous demonstration", unless the state itself allows it. Oh, Lebanon is an exception, too, I guess, being more of a state in escrow than an actual state. But in Syria, for example, you have a government that, several years ago, when a minor uprising occurred in Hama, Syria's Army not only put down the uprising, they eradicated the entire city. They literally razed it to the ground, and whacked about 20,000 to 30,000 of their own citizens—actually, "subjects" is probably a more precise term—in the process. That's not an environment where unapproved demonstrations are encouraged, to say the least.

But, rather than denouncing this obvious skullduggery by extremists, the overpowering impulse seems to be to apologize to the extremists, in hopes that they will not do what they usually do when their dander is up, which is to blow stuff up. And, to be fair, in individual instances like this, over the short term, such imbroglios probably can be quieted down without too much harm.

Over the long term, however, it also reinforces a pernicious idea, which is that Muslims are entitled to expect the world's non-Muslims to obey whatever rules the Muslim world deems appropriate. Well, sorry, but I simply don't believe that obligation exists. As a non-Muslim, I am not obligated to publicly revere Mohammed, any more than, as a non-Catholic, I have to obey the doctrinal statements issued by the Pope of Rome2.

Muslim rules are obligatory on Muslims, and no one else. I may, as a matter of common courtesy, decline from gratuitously insulting Mohammed, but that is my decision to make, not some obligation I must obey.

And speaking of the Pope of Rome, the Vatican has released a statement on the matter, too.
The Vatican statement, without getting into the details of the cartoons, said "freedom of thought or expression... cannot imply a right to offend the religious sentiments of believers," no matter what the religion.

Certain forms of ridicule or extreme criticism can constitute an "unacceptable provocation," the Vatican said.
Well, that's just untrue. The freedom of speech is not called the "freedom of acceptable speech". There are no modifiers in the phrase. Or gerunds, either, for that matter. The freedom of speech absolutely includes the freedom to "offend the religious sentiments of believers." If it does not, then it isn't freedom.

There is a substantial portion of Protestantism that refers to the Roman Catholic Church as the "Whore of Babylon", and that avers that the Pope himself is the "false prophet" who supports the work of the Antichrist, based on the descriptions in the Revelation of St. John. No doubt this offends "the religious sentiments of believers" in Roman Catholicism. So what? Freedom of speech is supposed to offend sentiments, especially insofar as those sentiments are held by self-satisfied and powerful groups. That's what makes freedom of speech such a powerful tool of liberty.

Interestingly, the Iranians are now getting into the act of offensive cartooning.
A prominent Iranian newspaper said Tuesday it would hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West extends the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Hamshahri, one of Iran's largest papers, made clear the contest is a reaction to European newspapers' publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which have led to demonstrations, boycotts and attacks on European embassies across the Islamic world. Several people have been killed...

Hamshahri invited foreign cartoonists to enter the competition.

"Does the West extend freedom of expression to the crimes committed by the United States and Israel, or an event such as the Holocaust? Or is its freedom only for insulting religious sanctities?" Hamshahri wrote, referring to the Prophet Muhammad cartoons.
Have these guys ever even seen a western newspaper?

Silly question. Of course they have. Most of their people haven't however, so they have no clue about Western cartoonists like Ted Rall. (Hamshahri, by the way, is owned by the loons who cluster arounbd Iran's current semi-sane president.) The concept that there actually is such a thing as freedom of the press is almost beyond comprehension for these fanatics.

Let me go out on a limb here. Hamshahri will intentionally present the most anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi, Holocaust-denying cartoons they can possibly find. In return, massive riots will fail to break out in Western cities, and violence against Muslims will fail to spontaneously ignite. Western countries will decline to break off relations with Islamic countries, causing a number of Arab embassies not to be burned.

No doubt a number of letters to the editors will be angrily submitted, however.

What we will do, in effect, is look at the cartoons, shrug, say to ourselves, "What do you expect from these whack-bags?" and get on with our lives. In point of fact, when we look at the cartoons, we will probably fail to see any significant difference between them and the content that regularly fills the media of Muslim countries. It's hard to shock people with Holocaust denial or anti-Semitism when it's already been a media staple in your countries for the last 60 years.

At this point, we expect the people of the Muslim world to do and say the nastiest things as a matter of course. We regard them essentially as foul-tempered children with no sense of self-control or moderation. We have absolutely no expectation that they will act in a responsible matter on practically any subject. We think of the Muslim world as little more than a collection of failed states trapped in a world of medieval culture of their own making. And, frankly, if it wasn't for oil, we wouldn't even think about them at all, except with occasional, mildly morbid fascination when we read stories on page C-6 about how General Dictatorzash toppled the government of Kaplokistan in the 15th coup of the last decade.

So, go ahead, Hamshahri. Print your little hateful cartoons. Then plug your ears as you are buffeted by the sound of millions of Westerners engaging in massive yawns. But, who knows? If you watch closely, you may actually learn a little something about how mature societies deal with insults.

I'm not holding my breath on that last bit, though.
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1 This is the point at where the BBC would insert the obligatory "peace be upon him", or whatever the requisite Muslim formulation is.
2 I've always wanted to use the phrase "Pope of Rome", for some reason. You just don't hear it much any more.


UPDATE: By the way, let me give kudos to Ibrahim Hooper and the people at CAIR who counsel Muslims to be tolerant of cartoons and other provocations.
"You do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari)

That description of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad is a summary of how he reacted to personal attacks and abuse.

Islamic traditions include a number of instances of the prophet having the opportunity to strike back at those who attacked him, but refraining from doing so.

These traditions are particularly important as we witness outrage in the Islamic world over cartoons, initially published in a Danish newspaper, that were viewed as intentional attacks on the prophet.
I have a lot of problems with CAIR in general, and Mr. Hooper in particular, but, I have to give credit where credit is due. It would be nice if other Muslim leaders were able to profit from this example.
 
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What we will do, in effect, is look at the cartoons, shrug, say to ourselves, "What do you expect from these whack-bags?" and get on with our lives. In point of fact, when we look at the cartoons, we will probably fail to see any significant difference between them and the content that regularly fills the media of Muslim countries. It’s hard to shock people with Holocaust denial or anti-Semitism when it’s already been a media staple in your countries for the last 60 years. -Dale Franks
Dale Franks recently deleted on QandO every single comment by a guy who criticized Israel-dismissing him as being anti-Semitic. Historians are now in prison for questioning the "facts" about the Holocaust. Censorship is alive and well in 2006.
 
Written By: borg
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Dale Franks recently deleted on QandO every single comment by a guy who criticized Israel-dismissing him as being anti-Semitic.
But Dale Franks won’t go to your blog and erase things that you’ve written there.

After all, if I were to go to your house and paint "Borg is an ass-face!" upon the exterior wall, I rather doubt that your love of free speech would stop you from painting over that phrase.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Dale, your response to the Iranian newspaper... my sentiments exactly.

I asked on another forum,
"Hey, if they print cartoons lampooning the Holocaust, and the Jews don’t burn down Iranian buildings, what does that do to the respective images of each?

What if, as I suspect, the free West means what they say?"
You’re probably right though... these kids won’t notice.
 
Written By: OrneryWP
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Our question for the Iranians (posed at AtlasBlogged, which we all know the Iranians read): What Holocaust? Wasn’t that just made up, anyway?
 
Written By: Wulf
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Speaking of the Pope of Rome....and his counterpart....
Has any even asked the Avignon Pope what he thought of this cartoon controversy?
I see he’s been completely silent on the matter (being dead for that long will
doubtlessly have something to do with that I suppose).
 
Written By: looker
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The concept that there actually is such a thing as freedom of the press is almost beyond comprehension for these fanatics.

Not just the fanatics — if you’ve spent all your life in a repressive society, the concept of freedom of speech, press, religion, etc. is certainly hard to comprehend. People who grew up behind the Iron Curtain had the same problem. Why do you present this as an insult instead of plain, unsurprising fact?
 
Written By: kenB
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I’ve always wanted to use the phrase "Pope of Rome", for some reason
Here ya go, Dale, courtesy of a really old issue of National Lampoon.

(To the tune of Duke of Earl)

Pope, pope, pope,
Pope of Rome, Rome, Rome
Pope of Rome, Rome, Rome
Pope of Rome, Rome, Rome

As I walk to my home
Nothing can stop the Pope of Rome

Sorry, my mind is wandering down some forgotten old alleys right now....

 
Written By: Steverino
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Dale Franks recently deleted on QandO every single comment by a guy who criticized Israel-dismissing him as being anti-Semitic.
I didn’t delete him for being anti-Semitic. I deleted him for being an a-hole. His anti-semitism was only a small part of his total a-holeness.

I am one of the owners of this property. I determine who can, and who can’t, play on my property. I have no obligation to allow you to speak here. If you want to exercise your free speech in an untrammeled manner, then get your own blog. They are free, you know.

Where do you get the idiotic idea that I have to allow you to comment freely here?
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Dale Franks recently deleted on QandO every single comment by a guy...
Actually he deleted every comment by you, you little game-playing, anti-Semitic weasle.
 
Written By: McQ
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I love the Iranian thought process; If the Danes offend you, pick on the Jews. That will show them!
 
Written By: timactual
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*sigh*

Nobody even picked up on the Monty Python reference. I’m disappointed in you all.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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including one that portrayed Mohammed1 with the nose of a pig. It’s hard to imagine a more deliberately inflammatory image than that

Hey Dale, maybe this could be a contest? Because I can think of SEVERAL more inflammatory images of Mohammed :)
 
Written By: Shark
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I can think of SEVERAL more inflammatory images of Mohammed :)
"But that," as a former US President famously said, "would be wrong."

Extra points for guessing which US president that was...
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Nobody even picked up on the Monty Python reference. I’m disappointed in you all.
Duh - NO ONE expected it.

Clinton.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Clinton.
Huh. Ok. Yeah. I didn’t expect that.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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But, the fact that this all seems to be a set-up doesn’t appear to matter to the Danes. As Lee Harris explains, the Danes appear to be more concerned with trying to sweep the whole thing under the rug, than in standing up to the fanatics.
I see. I would assume that you would agree that there are fanatics in Iraq and Afghanistan still. I’m not there and you aren’t either. But 678 Danes are. And they aren’t going anywhere. They aren’t backing down. Even after a patrol got hit on Sunday.
COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Denmark said on Tuesday that Muslim protests over a Danish newspaper’s cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad raised concerns for the safety of its troops in Iraq and Afghanistan but that it had no plans to withdraw them.

On the day troops from nearby Norway, which has also attracted Muslim wrath after a newspaper there reproduced the drawings, were attacked by a mob in Afghanistan, Denmark’s defense minister said his troops were taking extra precautions.

"Of course it affects our soldiers both in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have to change the patterns of how they patrol and take precautions to make sure we don’t put them in danger," Danish Defense Minister Soren Gade told Reuters.

"The demonstrations in Afghanistan also affect the security of our soldiers there," said Gade, adding that Denmark had not discussed withdrawing its garrison of 500 troops from Iraq or its 178-strong contingent from Afghanistan.

"We have not discussed a withdrawal of Danish troops ... but it’s a serious, dangerous situation for our soldiers," he said.

A Danish patrol in Iraq came under fire on Sunday in an attack that Denmark said might have been connected to the cartoon row. Iraq’s government has protested against the cartoons by freezing contracts with Denmark and Norway.
Look at what is going on here. The Iraqi government - the B*sh supported government, which is sucking up my hard earned tax dollars in record amounts - is freezing contracts with the Danes and Norweigans. The Danes, meanwhile, are staying to defend the Iraqis.

And you have the nerve to criticize the Danes? Worse, you assert they are not standing up to the fanatics.

Right.

The bottom line is this: Bush is responsible for installing the anti-Western government that currently runs Iraq. This government, sucking billions of our tax dollars, has the nerve to suspend contracts with Danish firms, even though the Danes are there protecting their sorry fundamentalist a**es from millions of Sunnis would slit their throats if given half the chance. And instead of decrying the Islamofascists who run the government in Bagdhad (Bush supported, by the way), and who have clearly sided with other Islamofascists, you criticize the Danes, who, even though they are out there getting shot at, aren’t standing up to the fanatics, according to you.

Your hatred of Europe and your love of Bush have fried your brain, Dale.


 
Written By: mkultra
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Your hatred of Europe and your love of Bush have fried your brain, Dale.
Yeah. I really stepped up to the plate to defend the Bush Administration in this post, didn’t I? I mean, I’m always the go-to guy when it comes to agreeing with the Bush Administration, huh?

How quickly we forget. You were the guy who, just three weeks ago, were criticizing my lack of criticism of Bush over the Padilla affair, until I spanked your ass by showing a number of posts over the last four years where I unfailingly criticized the Bush Administration over that issue. At which point, you—as you always do—disappeared. Which, by the way, is why your comments here are a freakin’ joke, and why pretty much everybody else here considers you a complete buffoon.

Ever wondered why you haven’t been banned here? it’s because you’re comments are a complete joke, and you serve as a great source of moonbat humor.

If anybody’s brain has been fried, it’s yours through your hatred of Bush.

Oh, and by the way, how much time have you actually spent in Europe? ’Cause I’ve lived there for over 4 years of my adult life. And I’ve spent signinifgant time in travel there in addition. Maybe you just don’t freakin’ know all that much about Europe. Maybe my "hatred" of Europe—which shows how much you know, because I love spending time in Europe, and I consider The Netherlands my second home—is just a realistic appraisal of the European environment, instead of "hatred".

But, I tell you what, when you’ve spent 5 years or so living and traveling in Europe, you be sure to get back to me.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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And instead of decrying the Islamofascists who run the government in Bagdhad (Bush supported, by the way), and who have clearly sided with other Islamofascists, you criticize the Danes, who, even though they are out there getting shot at, aren’t standing up to the fanatics, according to you.
Yeah. That’s right. That’s because I expect the Danes to step up to the plate for Western Civilization. I hold the Danes to a higher standard.

Apparently, you don’t.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Dale:

I address each of your baseless assertions seriatim:
Yeah. I really stepped up to the plate to defend the Bush Administration in this post, didn’t I? I mean, I’m always the go-to guy when it comes to agreeing with the Bush Administration, huh?
Yes, you did. And yes, you are. Proof? It exists in spades. A sample:
Which brings up another point, in that, in police states—which, Iraq and Afghanistan excepted, is precisely what Arab Muslim states are—there’s no such thing as a "spontaneous demonstration", unless the state itself allows it.
If you don’t think that Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t police-states, i.e., supporters of anti-western demonstrations, you are sadly mistaken. For Godsakes Dale, the Iraqi government itself has said it will no longer contract with Danish or Norweigan firms as a result of the cartoon crisis. Dale, B*sh is spending billions on this government. And yet, the quoted excerpt above suggests that Iraq and Afghanistan are somehow different from those nations that allow demonstrations against the west. I fail to see the difference. Indeed, the fact that the GOVERNMENT OF IRAQ is boycotting the Danes and Norweigans - who again are there defending that very government. In other words, you seem more concerned with Islamic countries that allow mere demonstrations than you do with a B*sh supported, tax-payer supported government that refuses to contract with countries that are sending troops there to defend that very government. Worse yet, you have said zero about the Iraqi boycott at all - and held Iraq out as some kind of shining example in the middle east. That is the defense of B*sh. You stepped up to the plate and hit it out of the park, to answer your question.

Why aren’t you more mad that tax dollars that you are giving to the federal government are going to a bunch is Islamic fanatics in Iraq who are in turn boycotting the Danes? It makes me angry. Why doesn’t it make you angry?
How quickly we forget. You were the guy who, just three weeks ago, were criticing my lack of criticism of Bush over the Padilla affair, until I spanked your ass by showing a number of posts over the last four years where I unfailing criticized the Bush Administration over that issue. At which poj nt, you—as you always do—disappeared
Oh I answered - but you never responded. I told you that I reviewed each and every post and your criticism amounted to question raising, nothing more. Never once did you even mention the word impeachment, which is clearly the only remedy for the law breaking represented by the Padilla affair. Padilla is an American citizen who was incarcerated unconstitutionally for over three years. The bar for impeachment has been lowered by the party you actively support. If lying about a sexual affair in a civil suit is impeachable, so too is falsely imprisoning a UNITED STATES CITIZEN for over 1000 days. Apparently, you disagree.
If anybody’s brain has been fried, it’s yours through your hatred of Bush.
I don’t hate Bush, as that would imply that he has the intelligence that is required to hate someone - at least in the moral sense of the term. Bush is simply a product of his environment. His policies are destructive, and his followers obedient and blind and loyal. He is street smart but lacking in serious intellect and foresight. It is really not possible to hate him, for obvious reasons. All one can do is pray that he does not turn this country into Brazil.
Oh, and by the way, how much time have you actually spent in Europe? ’Cause I’ve lived there for over 4 years of my adult life. And I’ve spent signinifgant time in travel there in addition. Maybe you just don’t freakin’ know all that much about Europe. Maybe my "hatred" of Europe—which shows how much you know, because I love spending time in Europe, and I consider The Netherlands my second home—is just a realistic appraisal of the European environment, instead of "hatred".

But, I tell you what, when you’ve spent 5 years or so living and traveling in Europe, you be sure to get back to me.
Familiarity breeds contempt. - Mark Twain

 
Written By: mkultra
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Hi Dale,

Just wanted to let you know that we have had a Blasphemy Law in Denmark since 1866. It was last used in 1938.

The muslim society in Denmark tried to use it against Jyllands-Posten a few weeks ago, but all charges was dismissed as groundless by the State Attorney.

So, the Prime minister was right when he said that if there was any offense it should be decided in a court of law. And remember that it is not the Danish government that sued the newspaper, but the muslim society but since it has been completely dismissed it is highly unlikely it’ll ever get that far.

Best regards,
Brian K. Andersen

 
Written By: Brian K. Andersen
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Never once did you even mention the word impeachment, which is clearly the only remedy for the law breaking represented by the Padilla affair.
No. I didn’t. Because I’m not a moonbat. Once again, thanks for commenting, and proving that any attempt to engage you in conversation is pointless. You ought to get together with Mawli. I’m sure you kids would have a hoot.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
That’s because I expect the Danes to step up to the plate for Western Civilization
I tend to agree here, but I find myself dryly amused that the American left’s reaction cannot be expected so.(And yes, I include the press in this)
 
Written By: Bithead
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And MK,
Never once did you even mention the word impeachment, which is clearly the only remedy for the law breaking represented by the Padilla affair.
Actually there is another remedy, assuming it is lawbreaking... which I do not hold it to be... it’s called an election.

Funny thing; all the rabid (to say nothing of wrongheaded) screaming about lawbreaking doesn’t seem to have helped you, there.


 
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McQ would never consider questioning the fact that Israel attacked a United States Navy ship and killed American sailors. Why not honor the U.S.S Liberty dead McQ? Why not post a "Hero" thread about these forgotten Americans on QandO?
And maybe you should actually learn the proper history of the 6 Day War and all of it’s facets before spouting crap.

I reccomend this book.
 
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Maybe McQ can research the matter and give us all a fair-and-balanced summary. After all, McQ is the go-to guy when it comes to the Military. We can all accept his detailed summary on the U.S.S. Liberty. Inquiring minds want to know at QandO...
I’ve read all the conspiracy websites.

Where are you going with this and what does it have to do with the rest of the thread?

 
Written By: Derek
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A point:
The State Dept isn’t known for being all that supportive of the Bush Administration. They do their own thing, oftentimes, as does the CIA. Career bureaucrats quickly develop a loyalty to their own bureaucracy that spans (ignores?) specific administrations.
So the statement by the State Department shouldn’t necessarily be considered as direct from the Administration as one by the White House spokesman.

Further, the State Department is a diplomatic organization. Is it any wonder they consider the solution to a specific problem to be more diplomacy?
 
Written By: Nathan
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My guess is that after publishing the anti-semitic cartoons, the Iranians will then fault the West for not also publishing the anti-semitic cartoons, saying that we are proving our hypocrisy thereby.
 
Written By: Jeff Medcalf
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You’re probably right, Jeff ... and organizations like CNN, NYT and NBC are going to be hard pressed to back off their "sensitivity" declaration to do so aren’t they?
 
Written By: McQ
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I’m starting to wonder about all this. A couple of things in particular are really making me concerned.

First off, where in the world and those rioters in Afghanistan and so on get Danish flags and the quantities that we’ve been seeing them burned in? A Danish flag is not something you’re average Afghan citizen is going to have any around the house. I must assume, that they were supplied for the purpose of setting the blaze for the cameras.

If, in fact, this is all the setup one must raise the question of whom it would benefit .

I will raise one possibility here;

Now that the west is totally wrapped up in the issue of these cartoons WRT freedom of speech et al, the much more perilous issue of Iran’s nuclear ability goes far less reported to the American public and it might be. Certainly it is also less noticed by government bodies.... and the U.N. for example.

We certainly know enough about images of Mohammed to no good even for the most devout Muslim this is not arriving level issue generally speaking. Further, we know that the drawings in question were drawn and posted and nearly forgotten six months ago. I raised the issue in this space not so very long ago that the rioters may have been looking for an excuse to become angry.

Might diversion from what Iran is doing be the reason? It certainly seems to be working.
 
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