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These cartoons...They look familiar...
Posted by: Dale Franks on Wednesday, February 08, 2006

Egyptian blogger Sandmonkey, an Arab libertarian in Cairo, now remembers why the "anti-Mohammed cartoons look so familiar to him. They were published in the Egyptian newspaper Al Fagr...back on October of 2005. During Ramadan.
Freedom For Egyptians reminded me why the cartoons looked so familiar to me: they were actually printed in the Egyptian Newspaper Al Fagr back in October 2005. I repeat, October 2005, during Ramadan, for all the egyptian muslim population to see, and not a single squeak of outrage was present. Al Fagr isn't a small newspaper either: it has respectable circulation in Egypt, since it's helmed by known Journalist Adel Hamoudah. Looking around in my house I found the copy of the newspaper, so I decided to scan it and present to all of you to see.
And, that's exactly what he does.

So, those horrific cartoons that have been the cause of so much uproar, destruction, and death, were actually published in a well-known Egyptian newspaper four months ago, during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, and they resulted in no uproar at all.

The Sandmonkey seems a bit PO'd about the whole affair, and his commentary is exceptionally snarky. I hope he has his real identity well-disguised.
 
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Like I said, Dale, I wonder if this was a setup.

# Where the hell did the rioters in Afghanistan get Danish flags, in the quantity we have seen them burned in? Not something the average Afghan citizen will have in his kit bag, or so I presume. Someone supplied them, is a logical conclusion.


Why?


# While the west is all wrapped up in the issue of to cartoon or not to cartoon, the real world issue of Iran’s nuclear ability goes far less noticed by the American public than it might; and certainly less noticed by world bodies.... the UN, for example.

You’ve just confirmed one aspect of this... the stuff was most certainly set up so that the ’arab street’ could take offense.

The rest is a guess, and I’m not much of a gambler... but I’ll lay even money that was the plan... to divert attantion from more pressing matters.



 
Written By: Bithead
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So, those horrific cartoons that have been the cause of so much uproar, destruction, and death

These cartoons- the authentic Jyllands cartoons- are certainly not the cause of ANYTHING.

This whole mess was caused by person or persons- probably with some sort of Iranian or Syrian backing to rile the "arab street" for a power play. And it worked, but I wonder if they didn’t overplay their hand a bit this time.

Some questions arise:

1) If they can ever find some of the scum who was inflaming and setting this up, can they be put in the dock for it?

2) If they find the Imam who made the phony cartoons.....well, doesn’t HE face fatwas and beheadings for his blasphemy?

3) Just because this was a setup doesn’t excuse the disgraceful "arab street" for their actions. Message to arabs: grow up NOW or else.

4)It’s clear that Iran and Syria have their hands in this....these bastards are begging us to make it a shooting war. I only pray it happens before they get the bomb.
 
Written By: Shark
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I think it would be pretty easy to get Danish flags made up at a local silk-screen print shop. While Afghanistan is backwards, I think these would exist in Kabul...

 
Written By: Harun
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Josh: does it make the "larger Muslim culture" look worse, or does it show that the outrage we see is manufactured by a few extremists? (Alas, "few" may be much larger than we’d like, but I think it’s still a minority.)

There’s a tendency to see this issue as evidence that "moderate Islam" is a false hope, but the fact that the cartoons are months old AND were published in Egypt without raising a fuss may suggest otherwise.

I claim no expertise here, but I do think it’s important to weigh all the evidence.
 
Written By: Scott Lawton
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Shark,
Can Jyllands-Posten sue?

This friggin’ "Ee-mom" has launced a global mis-information campaign that relies on the deliberate distortion of Jyllands’ published content. What would the NYT do?

The Danish nation has a dog in this fight: she has suffered two infringements on her sovereign due to this fraud. The free-expression rights of her political satirists, and the sanctity of her international embassies are both in question.

I think that Denmark’s artistic community should interpose the legal system of the Danish state’s robust monarchy between itself and this violent, international libel-campaign. If I were a Danish cartoonist publishing in Europe, rather than hide-out in my own country, I’d get a d-mned good lawyer to appeal to the state to protect my citizens’ rights.

I trust the Danish Crown to make the case for the West’s press freedoms. The Queen is giving signs that she is up to the task.
-Steve
 
Written By: Steve
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I must admit to being increasingly confused by this mess. It is my understanding that the cartoons were created by Danish cartoonists. Am I in error? If they were created by Danes, why did they first appear in an Egyptian publication, one of them, at least, in Danish?
 
Written By: timactual
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Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban published 3 cartoons that grossly defile Islam and the prophet (showing Muhammed (pbuh) as a pig, a child rapist and showing one of the faithful at prayer having sex with a dog). Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban must be punished for his insults, a fatwa be upon him.
 
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If there are any so-called moderate Islamists, however doubtful, they are incapable of rising against the extremists either because of their fear or of their unwillingness. Either way, any hope for moderate islamists intervention is dismal as it during the beheadings.
 
Written By: Ed Patounian
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Re: Where the hell did the rioters in Afghanistan get Danish flags

They burned the Swiss flag in Gaza, easy mistake I guess...
 
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