What? No one has beaten you yet for somehow screwing up the re-election of Bush?
Patience....I suppose... patience. |
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Right on, John.
And I hope (I know) you are right about Kerry...
RE-DEFEAT BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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If its Kerry, lets be a bit more thoughtful and civil in our criticism, than were the critics of the Bush administration.
No, I think not. |
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Cognitive dissonance alert:
"As P.J. ORourke once said, voters dont turn out in record numbers to maintain the status quo. "
That may be true for the entire electorate as a whole, but are you seriously trying to say the massive GOP grassroots Get-Out-The-Vote was all to turn Bush out of office? |
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"As P.J. ORourke once said, voters dont turn out in record numbers to maintain the status quo."
Except, hopefully, when the status quo is threatened by something outside the electoral process. |
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are you seriously trying to say the massive GOP grassroots Get-Out-The-Vote was all to turn Bush out of office? No. I just think the GOP grassroots GOTV campaign will be dwarfed by the Democratic campaign. We'll find out who is right tonight/tomorrow. |
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Jon Henke
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When I wrote " lets be a bit more thoughtful and civil in our criticism, than were the critics of the Bush administration"....
RE-DEFEAT BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!! ...this is what I was speaking of.
Whatever the outcome of this election, I hope the Right doesn't become that guy. |
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Written By:
Jon Henke
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Cognitive dissonance alert:
"As P.J. ORourke once said, voters dont turn out in record numbers to maintain the status quo. "
That may be true for the entire electorate as a whole, but are you seriously trying to say the massive GOP grassroots Get-Out-The-Vote was all to turn Bush out of office? Yeah, I don't buy the PJ O'Rourke aphorism at all, at least in this election.
While there is a lot of hate on the left, there's a lot of fear on the right.
Fear will drive a lot of people to the polls and that fear could be just as much a fear of what a Kerry presidency would bring as a rejection of the status quo.
Based on the percentage difference in white women between 2000 and 2004, both pluses for Bush, I'd have to say that fear that Kerry won't make the US as secure as Bush is driving that difference.
I know that's only one indicator but it was one of the most telling in my book.
The other was the doubling of the black vote from 2000 to 2004 for Bush. That too is significant, and that's mostly based on religion from what I've read (Bush appeals to more blacks on religious grounds than does Kerry and his stances).
So we'll see.
But as Jon points out, the paradigm's have shifted in this race and the polls haven't a clue in my estimation. I think it'll be a clean and clear victory, and my gut tells me it'll be Bush. |
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Loser buys a round of good beer for the house. |
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Er...that depends on what you define as "the house". No chance in hell I'm buying beer for the entire readership of QandO if Kerry loses. :)
If I'm wrong, though, you're all welcome to remind me of it tomorrow. (and I'm sure you will) |
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Jon Henke
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Jon - Nope, if Kerry loses/wins it ain't your fault, I won't even pick on MK...much. I figure if Kerry loses that will be all the satisfaction I require.
You're making your best faith prediction, no reason to beat you up for that if it turns out to be incorrect.
As to the beer -
I was thinking the loser of the election should buy!
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Jon, regardless of who wins, I'll buy you a beer. |
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Curt Mitchell
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Looker: Well, Kerry could afford it. Though, I'm not sure if I could handle 3 hours of half-drunken "when I was in Vietnam" stories.
Curt: Eh....if I ever start drinking, I'll take you up on that. In the meantime, that's a pretty safe offer you've made there. :) |
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Jon Henke
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Jon, that's why I made it. I figured I could drink the beer for you. Anyway, I sincerely hope you're wrong but I can't shake the feeling that you've hit the nail on the head here. Eh, we survived far worse than Kerry before, we'll get through this mess too. |
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Written By:
Curt Mitchell
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Jon, your points were thoughtful and well-made. I won't hold you responsible for honest mistakes based on reasonable conclusions arising from good logic.
The reason I reacted to the P.J. O'Rourke aphorism is that I think the 2002 elections show the marked improvement by the GOP in grassroots GOTV campaigns. 2000 and before, I would say you were 100% correct. But as Taranto said, trends in sports and politics are trends only until they aren't. Instead of "on any given Sunday", it's "on any given Election Day". Instead of "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy" because the enemy is actively trying to affect the outcome, it's "No election campaign plan suvives contact with the electorate". We have no real idea what the mood or thought process of the electorate is until it actually happens and the votes are tallied. It's all just theory before then. |
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Written By:
Nathan
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are you putting soros, ickes,move.on,A.C.T.,F911and the dem nat. party leadership on the same level as the swift boaters? if so, you really have lost your compass.
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do you really think kerry's past is just going to go away? do you really think kerry the president will be any different then kerry the senator or kerry the candidate?
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Jon, for the record: "None of These Candidates" beat out Badnarik by some 700 votes in Nevada. |
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