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The Senate’s Immigration Bill
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, March 28, 2006

It's not yet passed the Senate (it was passed out of committee by a 12-6 vote) but its basic provisions are as follows:
With Republicans deeply divided, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted on Monday to legalize the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants and ultimately to grant them citizenship, provided that they hold jobs, pass criminal background checks, learn English and pay fines and back taxes.

The panel also voted to create a vast temporary worker program that would allow roughly 400,000 foreigners to come to the United States to work each year and would put them on a path to citizenship as well.
"Legalize" is a euphemism for amnesty.

Let me address that first. It is physically impossible to identify and deport 11 million people. So it stands to reason that some sort of recognition and accomdation must be made to those millions here. If that means amnesty, let's call it that. But let's also realize that any sort of amnesty will only draw more illegals, not less. So before we grant amnesty to those here, let's address the problem of border security and find a way to shore it up so we don't continue to see 700,000 more illegals a year (or more) trying to get into the country so they too can take advantage of amnesty.

Otherwise this simply becomes a program that rewards citizenship to those who manage to, as one commenter recently wrote, "cut in line" due simply to the luck of living in a country which is in close proximity to the US.

Which brings us to border security:
Any legislation that passes the Senate will have to be reconciled with the tough border security bill passed in December by the Republican-controlled House, which defied President Bush's call for a temporary worker plan.
It is this reconciliation process which will yield the ultimate law sent to Bush for signature. I still advocate a process which first fixes the border problem before it addresses the status of illegals and initiates any action to "legalize" them.

The reason is twofold. One to gain control of the immigration process again and two, border security.

Until we control the borders and access, all this talk about legalization, guest workers and immigration is so much hot air.
 
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It is physically impossible to identify and deport 11 million people.
Oh male bovine feces.

The Nazi’s managed to identify, transport, and exterminate 6 million people with 1940s technology during a war. We should be able to identify and deport 11 million with 21st century tech.

The illegals are here for a reason: they are better off here than at home. Make it so they are less better off here and most will self-deport. Why not take the "War on Drugs" resources and use them against illegal immigration?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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The Nazi’s managed to identify, transport, and exterminate 6 million people with 1940s technology during a war. We should be able to identify and deport 11 million with 21st century tech.
Hell, we don’t even know if 11 million is the proper number. That’s just the best guess.

But I do think your example is right on. Maybe we could make them self-identify and wear a red, green and white star, eh?

I’d also point out that the Nazis did it with the records kept on their citizens and by the governments of the countries they invaded.
 
Written By: McQ
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The Nazi’s managed to identify, transport, and exterminate 6 million people with 1940s technology during a war. We should be able to identify and deport 11 million with 21st century tech.
With as much tact as I can muster, I would point out that the Nazi’s had somewhat less concern for the whole, you know, human rights thing than we do. Killing 6 million people is quite a bit easier than deporting them and ensuring they don’t come back.

Quite simply, many hundreds of thousands of Mexicans per year are willing to die to come to the United States. They’re fanatical about it — we’re not. They win.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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There is a third option: a defacto economic union between Mexico and the rest of Anglo North America. It’s really just a matter of picking up where NAFTA left off.

I say, if you want to peel reasonable Democrats away from the Mechistas, bring that option up. The DLC’ers, and most reasonable folks, understand that illegal immigrants are running from under-developed inept economies, and that cooperative efforts like NAFTA begin the process of transforming these economies into ones people flock to instead.

However, the Mechista radicals, transnational communists and therest of the moonbat brigades actually want America to cede territory to Mexico.

Let’s see the Dems squeeze these two contrary factions into the same tent.
-Steve
 
Written By: Steve
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Mark’s comment about the Nazis was badly chosen, and entirely unpalatable politically; no one is going to stand for running trains full of illegals to Tijuana, even if they’re Amtrak coaches instead of boxcars.

Not to say we shouldn’t arrest and deport illegals when we come across them, just that a mass enforcement action like this isn’t going to happen.

However, I agree wholeheartedly about setting up a self-deport situation; by aggressively enforcing pertinent employment laws against the businesses and people hiring illegals, many will head home on their own.

And I’m all for a guest worker program that’s compatible with a strong US economy - so long as non-citizens are required to apply, job offer in hand, in their native country

And build a fence, dammit.
 
Written By: Paul
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Until we control the borders and access, all this talk about legalization, guest workers and immigration is so much hot air.
We did step 2 on the promise of step 1 happening about 20 years ago. Guess what? Step 1 never happened.

This time, if we do not INSIST that our elected officials do this correctly, we will in 20 years be having this same debate. Border security FIRST while setting up a self-deport situation AND opportunistic deportation (i.e, when massive groups of illegals, waving Mexican flags, band together shouting "Viva El México" comes to mind), THEN changes to streamline immigration may be considered.
 
Written By: coffee
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." Maybe we could make them self-identify and wear a red, green and white star, eh?"

Or maybe we could make them carry identification, maybe call it a green card.


"many hundreds of thousands of Mexicans per year are willing to die to come to the United States. They’re fanatical about it — we’re not. They win. "

No, they are not willing to die, they are willing to take a certain amount of risk, just as we assume a certain amount of risk when we drive a car. If the expected payoff for taking that risk is lowered they won’t do it. Most of them probably don’ think it is much of a risk anyway.


; "no one is going to stand for running trains full of illegals to Tijuana, even if they’re Amtrak coaches instead of boxcars."

Why not? How do we return them now, chauffered limousines?

 
Written By: timactual
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It seems to me there is something about the word Nazi that prompts knee-jerk reflexes. Once that word is used, anything said by the user is contaminated. If I say that Nazis loved sunsets, some would probably talk about how bad sunsets are, that they represent the Nazi preoccupation with the Norse apocalypse(I can’t spell it in German-Gotterdammerung?) or something. Perhaps if he had said Communists and Jehovah’s Witnesses that would be more palatable.
 
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ultimately to grant them citizenship, provided that they hold jobs, pass criminal background checks, learn English and pay fines and back taxes.
Um, can we get NASCAR lovin’ white folk that are AT LEAST 4th generation citizens of the United States to adhere to these ’standards’ as well?

BTW: Just how much English should they learn? If required to learn say, 1427 "English" words does that mean they don’t have to learn the ’French’ ones we use crime, armoire, bayou, jambalaya uncle or rendzvous?

Of course we CAN’T count the words that Hispanics have already contributed to "our white" language, such as armadillo, mustang, canyon, ranch, stampede, and vigilante. That would not be fair!

Especially vigilante!

Aer ye people getting this yet? or musteth I breaketh out Ye King James English Bible for thee?
 
Written By: Rick D.
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Many of you seem to forget that most immigrants do the jobs you think are too lowly for you. Imagine that all immigrants decided not to go to work for a day. It would be a very bad day for the USA.
Also most of these people don’t take anything away from Americans. They don’t have health insurance, they don’t get housing help, they don’t get help buying their groceries, and some of them are so eager to become legal in this country that they get a tax id # and they pay taxes. Their children don’t get scholarships like UNGRATEFUL American kids do. Their children have to pay for education out of pocket. Most of the crimes commited out there are by american and not immigrants. They help you live in the ecomnomy that you live in now.

So unless you are willing to do the jobs they do I suggest that you become more reasonable about your belives. You have to live in reality instead of lala land.
 
Written By: Fairness
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But I do think your example is right on. Maybe we could make them self-identify and wear a red, green and white star, eh?
Oh? So it’s impossible to identify who is a citizen and who isn’t in the US? It that what you are telling me?

When is the next census due? ID and deport then.

Or just effing give up.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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timactual asks, "Why not? How do we return them now, chauffered limousines?"

It wasn’t the method of transportation I was referring to, it was the large numbers all at once, alluding to Mark’s unfortunate nazi reference.
 
Written By: Paul
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They don’t have health insurance, they don’t get housing help, they don’t get help buying their groceries, and some of them are so eager to become legal in this country that they get a tax id # and they pay taxes. Their children don’t get scholarships like UNGRATEFUL American kids do. Their children have to pay for education out of pocket.
And you are happy with that sort of exploitation? what kind of heartless bastard are you?
 
Written By: Kyle N
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Aer ye people getting this yet? or musteth I breaketh out Ye King James English Bible for thee?
well, Rick I kinda dont really get your point, You see, it has always been required of immigrants that they learn some English to become citizens. Futhermore, In order to make it in the Business world, the scientific world, or the internet anywhere in the world you pretty much have to learn English.

And yes, English has borrowed the most words from other languages than any other, but so what?
 
Written By: Kyle N
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They don’t have health insurance...
...so they use the emergency room and 911 (and learn exactly what to claim so they get a free ride to the hospital in an ambulance).
they don’t get help buying their groceries
Yes they do. The food co-op I help sponsor almost exclusively caters to illegal Mexicans in an area which is majority (75 -80%) caucasian. It also helps pay utilities and rent.
some of them are so eager to become legal in this country that they get a tax id # and they pay taxes.
And most don’t.
Their children don’t get scholarships like UNGRATEFUL American kids do. Their children have to pay for education out of pocket.
Their children DO get scholarships and many are offered in-state tuition breaks unlike American kids who live outside the state.
 
Written By: McQ
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Just how much English should they learn

"It wasn’t the method of transportation I was referring to, it was the large numbers all at once"
Nobody is suggesting that we do it all in one weekend. The Nazis did it over a period of years. It will obviously take some time. If you don’t like the Nazi reference, pretend we are talking about maintaining 500,000 troops in a foreign country. I am sure the logistical requirements are not any worse.

"Many of you seem to forget that most immigrants do the jobs you think are too lowly for you"
Speak for yourself. I am sick of this idiotic argument, used mostly by bourgoise jackasses who think a callus is something cancerous. As someone who has worked construction with icicles hanging from my face, cleaned more toilets than you have ever used, and done a few other things, alongside other white, Anglosaxon males, I take personal umbrage. How do you think things got done before this RECENT influx of immigrants? Fairies? The people(plural) who have pumped my septic tank for the last few years have all been male Anglos. Evidently we love to work with S***, and hate those nasty filthy landscaping jobs(which I have also done).
 
Written By: timactual
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"Many of you seem to forget that most immigrants do the jobs you think are too lowly for you"

Frankly, I think you and the other morons who use this argument owe an apology to the millions of American men and women who are presently doing, and have been doing, most of this "lowly" work. If every immigrant, legal or not, was deported tomorrow, most of this "lowly" work would still get done. I will confess, though, that you may have to wait a day or two to get your flower beds mulched, and you may even have to pay a dollar or two more(Oh, the Horror!!).
 
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