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More Grist II
Posted by: Dale Franks on Monday, April 03, 2006

Jon's post immediately below moves me to comment that I also note, once again, the usual bait and switch:
Heather McDonald discovered that illegal immigrants in 2004 accounted for 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants in Los Angeles and two-thirds of unserved felony warrants. [...] On the other hand, the most comprehensive survey to date of national crime data concludes, "In the small number of studies providing empirical evidence, immigrants are generally less involved in crime than similarly situated groups, despite the wealth of prominent criminological theories that provide good reasons why this should not be the case."
Notice how we went from a statistic about "illegal immigrants" to stats about the relatively peaceful "immigrants"? It's funny how often you see that trick used.

Moreover, it's a non-sensical comparison. It's like saying, "NYPD reports that 95% of the cases brought by its Organized Crime Bureau concern Italian-American Mafiosi. Yet, Italian Americans participate in criminal activity at a lower rate than similar segments of the population."

Call me crazy, but I'd think that Mafiosi whose names end in vowels probably participate in crime at a far greater rate that "Italian-Americans". That would tell me that the OCB is right to slap the cuffs on Mafiosi, and ignore Italian-Americans in general.

From the original article, this caught my eye, too:
On the work front, Hispanic unemployment has tumbled to 5.5 percent, only slightly above the national average of 4.7 percent and considerably lower than the black unemployment rate of 9.3 percent.
Huh. I wonder if the ready availability of 11 million illegal immigrants who are willing to take jobs at low wages has anything at all to do with the relatively higher rate of unemployment among our black citizens.

Still, while it's fun get snarky over these kinds of arguments, they really aren't compelling. My concern is with assimilation, not economics. I'll happily grant that all of the open-borders economic arguments are true.

So what?

Allowing a large group of foreign persons into the country, and making no effort to assimilate them, will culminate in a disaster. Look at what is happening in Europe as a result of unbridled Muslim immigration. We're on a very similar path.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who comes here and makes the effort to become an American, and to subscribe to our ideals and values, is welcome. Those who prefer to maintain their primary allegiance to another country need to go back to that country, rather than trying to make mine a mirror image of the Third World hellhole they hated so much that they risked their lives to flee it.
 
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i just want to say that i appreciate that the contributors to this blog are able to openly criticize and rationally disagree with each other. it truly is refreshing to see open debate on important issues, an environment i am deprived of here at even a moderate university such as Tulane.
 
Written By: josh
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Why do I feel like there’s some sleight of hand going on with that phrase "outstanding murder warrants", like maybe illegal immigrants are the people that they couldn’t find (and who may not even be in the country any more)...
 
Written By: Mithras
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Assimilation: 90% to 95% of all Mexicans living in the United States can’t go back to Mexico. Why? Their Spanish is NOT good enough or non existant. Immigrants are more assimilated than you think. Try stopping the throngs of high school students walking down the boulevards in protest and getting them to speak to you in Spanish... Good luck, if you can. The reason they don’t want to go back is because they CAN’T. If you don’t believe me, tune into the Spanish language stations covering these events. They never speak to high schoolers for any length of time in Spanish.
 
Written By: Orlando Armaswalker
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Speaking of the slippery junction of reporting regarding the "illegal immigrants" and "immigrants" — I’d really like to see some ethnic and linguistic demographic breakouts of the pool of illegal immigrants.

What percent of illegal immigrants are sneaking in from Thailand? How many students from China have overstayed student visas? What percent of Afghan refugees from the Soviet-era occupation of that poor country have remained here even after their oppressors have been vanquished?

Until and unless somebody can do so there is a huge temptation to confuse all illegal immigrants with Mexicans, and all Mexican-Americans as illegal immigrants.

Though, possibly, even AFTER such a breakout (should it show 95+% of the problem is in fact from Mexico) we might be prone to making that substitution.
 
Written By: pouncer
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Orlando, that doesn’t mean they’re assimilated at all, it just means they’re outcast in 2 different cultures
 
Written By: shark
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I think it’s time to start separating two fundamentally different issues here: illegal immigration vs. illegal migratory workers.

Perhaps the biggest similarity between the Mexican border situation and the drug war is the fact that by imposing limits inconsistent with actual, i.e. market, reality, a black market spntaneously forms within which government essentially is denied of ALL of it’s power to produce any kind of order whatsoever. Call it the paradox of government power: the imposition of the ultimate regulation results in no regulation at all.

Arguing on this board and others, I’ve noticed that while I support a position of deregulating US labor markets in regards to participation by foreign nationals, I’m invariably rebutted with arguments against the deregulation of citizen-track immigration. So now my response is: why do these two issues have to be glommed together? The socialist premises regarding labor on which our current regulatory regime is predicated is the problem in the first place.

The fact is, we can "charge admission" for an unlimited number of work visas for Mexicans without changing naturalization practices or increasing our quotas one iota. And by legalizing Mexican labor to the point where normal market equilibrium is free to occur, we can reach the point where Mexicans stop coming here on their own, and we won’t have to spend a nickel or lift a finger.

yours/
peter.

 
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The American National Anthem


Oh Jose cant you see, we’re tired of supporting thee.

When you snuck acrossed the border, it began an illegal plight.

Over broad stripes and bright stars, We’ll continue to Fight.

Mexican Flags we did watch, that were so sadly streaming.

Our tempers did flare, with Mexican’s everywhere.

Gave proof to the nite, we must send them back there.

O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave.

For the land of the U. S. Citizen and the home of the American’s.




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Made In America
 
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