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"Credible Public Figures"
Posted by: Dale Franks on Wednesday, April 05, 2006

You know, just because you're a famous and successful actor, that doesn't mean you know jack about, well, anything else. I know I'm a little late getting to this, but, case in point: Charlie Sheen. In fact, I don't know who is worse, Mr. Sheen, or the whack-jobs like Alex Jones who breathlessly relate Mr. Sheen's idiocy with such credulity.
Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it.
I see. This would be the same Charlie Sheen who was a regular customer of Hollywood Madame Heidi Fleiss and who nearly died of a drug overdose before spending a stint in rehab? But, perhaps I'm being cruel. After all, since then Mr. Sheen has grown, remained clean and sober, and served as deputy mayor of New York City.

On television.

But, let's continue:
Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more.
Ah, yes, those highly retarded regarded individuals. I don't know much about most of the people on the list, but I do know Paul Craig Roberts, and he strikes me as a pretty wacky guy. I booted him off of a weekly interview slot on my radio show in LA because of it. The last straw was when, while the "Mena Airport" freak show was happening, he came within an ace of accusing President Clinton of drug running and murder during a live interview.

Fortunately, it was right at the end of the interview, so I was able to immediately shut him down gracefully, and go to break. The station manager roared into the studio right after that and said, I don't ever want you to interview that SOB again!" To which I replied, "Don't worry." I'll never forget looking at my board operator, who was also named Craig, through the window in front of me, and seeing the horrible deer in the headlights look in his eyes while Mr. Roberts was talking. During the last few months Craig was on, I had begun to emotionally fear talking to him.

So, if he's representative of the group of highly regarded individuals, then, I am not impressed. But, let's continue with Mr. Sheen himself:
"It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions."
Well, it did raise a lot of questions. How did they all get into the US? Why didn't their pre-attack activities raise any suspicion? Why was airport security so lax? How can we prevent people from ever doing this again?

I doubt that these are the questions Mr. Sheen has, however.
Sheen described his immediate skepticism regarding the official reason for the collapse of the twin towers and building 7 on the day of 9/11.

"I was up early and we were gonna do a pre-shoot on Spin City, the show I used to do, I was watching the news and the north tower was burning. I saw the south tower hit live, that famous wide shot where it disappears behind the building and then we see the tremendous fireball."

"There was a feeling, it just didn't look any commercial jetliner I've flown on any time in my life and then when the buildings came down later on that day I said to my brother 'call me insane, but did it sorta look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition'?"
Wow. There's so much stupidity here, it's hard to know where to begin. But, let's just look at the "controlled demolition" suggestion.

Do you know how hard it is to bring down even a moderate-sized building in a controlled demolition? It's a fantastically difficult undertaking. To bring down two—count 'em, two—1,000 foot towers in a controlled demolition, without anybody noticing, would be literally impossible.

First, you'd have to physically survey the building and rip out walls to mark the structural members for demolition. You'd have to drill into structural members to place tension wires to pull them in specific directions. You'd have to run hundreds of miles of det cord through the structure. You'd have to pack in thousands of pounds of C-4 around beams, joists, and floor supports, which, again, would require tearing out walls, opening up floors, and pulling down ceilings. And, you'd have to do it all without any of the 50,000 people who worked in the towers, and the additional thousands upon thousands of visitors, ever noticing a thing.

The work force alone to do it would probably run to between 100 and 200 people, all of whom would have to pass in and out of the building daily for weeks without any of the security, maintenance, or cleaning staff noticing what they were doing.

And even if all that was possible, who'd actually perform the demolition? Controlled demolition of buildings is not something that even the average demo specialist knows how to do. You also need extensive experience in architecture, physics, and materials science. Controlled demo companies consist of highly trained and specialized experts, and there are relatively few of them.

*sigh*

Still, if American history has taught us anything, it is that conspiracy theories are one of the most popular of American oddities.

Perhaps Mr. Sheen should concentrate on his craft, where, if he is lucky, he may one day rise to become, like his father, President of the United States.

On television.
 
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If it was a conspiracy, they had very good plans to make it seem so credible...very detail oriented, like making sure the INS actually had Atta’s visa come down 6 months after the attacks.

Now, I could argue via Occam’s Razor would say it’s because of natural government incompetence, but maybe the planners even went that far to sell it to us.
 
Written By: Harun
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"There was a feeling, it just didn’t look any commercial jetliner I’ve flown on any time in my life"

I think I see the problem. He was supposed to fly IN the aircraft. It is obvious the lack of oxygen damaged his brain. Or was it the drugs? Perhaps he was pre-shooting something besides Spin City.
 
Written By: timactual
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I keep harping on this, and I’m sure readers get tired of it, but...

THE EXTREME LEFT IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY!!!

There. I feel better. A little.

But only a little. Because I know that they are a very influential force in American politics. And if we, as many people do, define insanity as being unable to correctly perceive reality, then these people are insane.

Their delusions are quite objectively demonstrable, as Dale just proved so well.

I think (to pick a typical example) Pat Robertson is pretty far out there too, but at least he has religion as his excuse, and when he says something stupid, there’s no shortage of people on the right who call him on it.

Not so with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, George Clooney, either of the Sheens, Alec Baldwin, Susan Sarandon, Cynthia McKinney, etc. ad nauseum. Other than an occasional cluck, cluck from someone like Brad Delong, I never hear anyone on the left side stand up and state the obvious - that these people are just deluded.

Most leftists seem to have no limits on how much errant nonsense they will accept. They are quite comfortable with conspiracy theories that have more holes than a prairie dog village. They let their colleagues spin wild yarns that require their own people (such as Ohio Democratic election officials) to be in on the scam, and make no challenge. The more extreme among them claim that their opposition are not just racists, but murderous racists who have nothing better to do than blow up a levee during a hurricane.

They will believe in theories that defy the laws of physics, such as BushCo using a nuclear weapon to cause the tsunami. Presumably just because he hates Asians, though why he would then send in the Navy to mount rescue efforts is mystifying. Unless you believe that it’s all part of his evil plan to make them believe America is nice so that they will stand by while we carry out other nefarious schemes...

And they will refuse to challenge someone on their own side who seriously says that the Bush administration would kill 3000 people, including members of their own administration at the Pentagon, and do billions of dollars of damage (thereby risking an economic depression) just to get the American people to give them more power!

I’m sure some of of our resident leftist commenters would say that I’m unfairly mischaracterizing leftists. After all, we will no doubt be assured, they don’t believe in any of those things! So it must be unfair to point out that folks like Sheen do.

But I’ve read Democratic Underground for years. I saw John Conyers, Sheila Jackson Lee, and other delusional leftists IN WASHINGTON take the Ohio election conspiracy theory seriously. Unless mkultra and his ilk are prepared to stand with us and condemn these people as the out-of-touch whackjobs they are, then their protestations mean no more to me than those of supposedly moderate Muslims who assure me that jihad really means inner struggle, and I just misunderstand their more extreme brethren. (Yes, I’ve actually heard that one put forward seriously.)

 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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I keep harping on this, and I’m sure readers get tired of it, but...

THE EXTREME LEFT IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY!!!
Hmmm. Let me get this straight: Sheen works in Hollywood, therefore he is a member of the "extreme left."

Well he sure showed his leftiness in Red Dawn. You know, that hyper-patriotic movie from the early 80’s where Sheen joins a resistance movement against a fictional invasion of the United States by the USSR. Or how about Navy Seals. Boy, he really gave it to the right wing military-industrial complex in that flick. I recall his speeches in the movies about the dangers of capitalism, the wisdom of socialism, and a general hatred of religion. God - it was like he was chanelling Chomsky.

On a more serious note, there is a dangerous trend in America on the right to label any whack job who does not accept the official government version of events as "extreme left." The tendency is to then link that person with others who disagree with Bush and who are more political. Then, the next step is to associate that lot with even more sinister threats to America. The last step is to call on all responsible people to denounce the Sheens of the world from every mountain top, lest they cast their lot with America’s enemies. Here is Billy’s version:
Unless mkultra and his ilk are prepared to stand with us and condemn these people as the out-of-touch whackjobs they are, then their protestations mean no more to me than those of supposedly moderate Muslims who assure me that jihad really means inner struggle, and I just misunderstand their more extreme brethren. (Yes, I’ve actually heard that one put forward seriously.)
You see, if I don’t denounce Sheen and "stand" with Billy, well, then, I am a jihadi.

As far as I can tell, Sheen has never expressed any political views of signifigance, or taken a political position on any issue of signifigance. Considering he is over 40, it seems sort of funny he would start now. Is his dad political? Sure.

More likely, Sheen watched some video that questionied the official version of 9/11 and spouted off. Big deal.

As Dale said:
You know, just because you’re a famous and successful actor, that doesn’t mean you know jack about, well, anything else


Oh Dale, you got it all wrong. Sheen is deeply steeped in left political thought. I heard he was huge into Marcuse and Derrida when he was doing his dissertation. He was a huge post-modernist - total left wing whack job. That is, when he wasn’t doing a line of blow and banging strippers two at a time.

Watch your back, Billy. The Hollywoodnistas are coming for your guns.
 
Written By: mkultra
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So far no one has answered any of Sheen’s questions, which is all he really gave. He did not say he had the answers to any of this. But he did pose questions that, if you’ve spent any time researching what happened on 9/11 for yourself, would be questions you would be unable to answer as well. Attacking his character is a weak sidestep around the questions posed. If you can step forward with any of the answers, please do so, and cite your sources.

Let’s not turn every person who questions the ’official story’ into some nutjob unless you can prove the answers beyond doubt. Admittedly there are some crazy theories out there, but the questions he posed are not crazy if you truly examine them. Smearing people helps no one.
 
Written By: Brad
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Besides the obvious ad hominem angle, it seems a little disingenuous for bloggers of all people to cast aspersions on others’ credibility. Sure, Charlie Sheen’s status as an actor does not make him more qualified than the rest of us to comment on anything other than acting, but it doesn’t make him less qualified either. Who the hell is Dale Franks, anyway, or for that matter this "Platypus" character? Why should an actor like Charlie Sheen be given less credibility than a nothing-in-particular like (for example) Glenn Reynolds? It’s ridiculous on the face of it, but that’s exactly how some people react to claims from those two sources. It can’t be because of actual arguments or qualifications, so it must be something else and the nature of the opinions expressed seems to be the obvious candidate.

Maybe we should concentrate on what’s being said (as you do in the second half of your post) instead of who’s saying it (as in the first and in many other commentators’ screeds in their entirety). Credential Wars is a game bloggers in general are likely to lose.
 
Written By: Platypus
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the questions he posed are not crazy if you truly examine them.
Then we must have different definitions of crazy. And if Glenn Reynolds had posted such questions, we’d rightfully scoff at him as well.

The biggest problem with conspiracies these days is that it is way to easy to share information now. What used to be able to be covered up by knocking off one nosy reporter is impossible these days. Your cell phone leaves a trail of where you have been. Every ATM transaction is logged. Hell, I work for a company that can tell you how much orange juice and toilet paper you bought last month.

Dale indicated how assinine it is to even consider a controlled demolition but here are a few other things to consider - mainly WHY?

Why would the US Gov’t destroy buildings, terrorize its own people, and wreck its own economy to start a war? If it was simply for oil, it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper economically and politically to simply open up relations with Iraq again.

Forget it. I could go on and on for days, but Sheen is a whackjob for even thinking those are valid questions. I’m sure there are plenty of unkosher things in the 9/11 report (such as leaving out certain countries’ names), but nothing as sinister as Bush & Rove blowing up NY.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
URL: http://sharpmarbles.stufftoread.com
FRANKS YOU FOOL, the Body Thetans were behind the attack! Facts never sway the Conspriracy Theorist, you know. In fact, oft’ times and we verge on it here, Conspiracy Theorists get folks to violate the laws of argumentation. THEY are advancing the proposition, so it falls to THEM to advance evidence. Many times and possibly here too, the opponents fall into the argument trap of trying to PROVE A NEGATIVE. That simply is impossible.

It’s up to Sheen, Brad and Platypus to advance an argument and support it with evidence that there was a conspiracy. Talking about "theories" and examining theories and being open-minded is just a dodge. I believe it was Sen Moynihan who said, "We’re all entitlted to our own opinions, but we’re not entitled to our own set of facts."

I can say that there is no gravity or that Brad is merely some Star Trek addled goof living in his Mom’s basement... these are all "theories", but having made the proposition it is now up to me to support it. Otherwise the Theory of Gravit wins, as it is not only a THEORY but has evidence to support it; any theories on Brad are at this time only supposition, by all.

I think "theories" like Sheen’s get added impetus these days from Post-Modernism, with its emphasis on narrative and a lack of objective truth. When coming from that perspective any theory is only that, a theory and there can be no adequate "proof" or evidence advanced, only varying narratives. Combine this focus on narrative, irrespective of any evidence, with the rage for "open-mindedness" and "not being judgemental" and you end up with a situation where folks can make outrageous claims and some folks will not reject them out of hand, so as to appear "open-minded."

Oh and MK, your post on Sheen seems a bit self-contradictory... first Sheen is a political naif:
As far as I can tell, Sheen has never expressed any political views of signifigance, or taken a political position on any issue of signifigance. Considering he is over 40, it seems sort of funny he would start now. Is his dad political? Sure
but then he morph’s into a political heavy-weight:
Oh Dale, you got it all wrong. Sheen is deeply steeped in left political thought. I heard he was huge into Marcuse and Derrida when he was doing his dissertation. He was a huge post-modernist - total left wing whack job.
Not entirely contradictory, but it leads me to ask, so is Sheen a naif, or a strong Leftist?

And MK you’r not a extreme Leftist when you question the "Official" line... you could just be a whack job... Paul Craig Roberts is a CONSERVATIVE whack job, Michael Moore is a LEFT-wing whack job. You, you just are a person suffering from a bad case of BDS. If Dubya was a Democrat you’d be a Republican, if he a Nazi you’d be a Stalinist, if he a Stalinist, you’d be campaigning for "God, King, and Country." You don’t like Bush, NOTHING Bush does is good, he is Evillllll and by extension so too his supporters. It makes you a whack job, but it doesn’t necessarily make you a Left-wing whack job.
 
Written By: Joe
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I believe most of sheen’s questions can be answered here

I know how you guys feel. I frequent a site called digg.com where users can submit stories and links. Everyweek there’s 2 or so links saying the govt was behind 9/11 or linking to that dumb "Loose Change" video again. It gets very old very quickly.
 
Written By: Chris
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You see, if I don’t denounce Sheen and "stand" with Billy, well, then, I am a jihadi.
Watch your back, Billy. The Hollywoodnistas are coming for your guns.
I love the smell of non-sequiturs in the morning. It smells like... victory.

 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Charlie is a high school grad with no college. He is an uneducated air head. I can forgive that. He is just so cute.
 
Written By: cindy bravo
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"Well he sure showed his leftiness in Red Dawn"
"I heard he was huge into Marcuse and Derrida when he was doing his dissertation. He was a huge post-modernist"
You are kidding, right? He is an actor; he was paid to be in that movie. When and where did he get that graduate degree? I didn’t know Betty Ford had a graduate school.

" there is a dangerous trend in America on the right to label any whack job who does not accept the official government version of events as "extreme left." "
You mean those left-wing whackos like Pat Buchanan et al.?

 
Written By: timactual
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And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

Regardless of Mr. Sheen’s past you have to engage him on his assertions - he may have an argument, then again he may not. Either way, those of you who *really* want the truth will get it, the others *WILL* believe the lie - that is God’s promise.
 
Written By: Kevin
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Brad and others say that they feel that it’s okay or even laudable for Charlie Sheen to ask questions, and I agree. The problem is, there are answers to those questions, and Charlie seems to be too lazy to find out what those answers are. And even that would be okay, but when Charlie starts spouting off publicly about conspiracies, he is doing a disservice to the public.

Hey, that’s not illegal. But it’s stupid, and it should clarify his lack of credibility. It is the responsibility of anybody who claims to value "Truth" to pick apart Sheen’s position, starting with a fairly non-technical response like "What the hell does that actor know about demolition, anyway?" Dale went beyond that, so to say he’s just engaging in ad hominem is false. He noted that Sheen’s belief is off base, and then he derided his credibility as a separate point.

Some compare Sheen’s actions to that of bloggers, and that is a fair point. Credibility must be earned, and setting up a blog doesn’t do it. When a blogger is full of crap and doesn’t do their research, they deserve to be called out, as some like Dale have done to Sheen. What’s the problem?
 
Written By: Wulf
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So, uhm, are YOU credible? If you are, let me know, that way I can use you as my political cornerstone. I don’t need proof such as certification or a photo w/Bush, just a simple reply and say its so. Thats all that is required to be credible as far as we are concerned.
 
Written By: Jeff Loren
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Just curious Wulf, what’s your take on why Building #7 collapsed - they present this as their smoking gun?

-Kevin

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
(1 Corinthians 3:18)
 
Written By: Kevin
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If you think Charlie Sheen is insane, check out this crazy kook! Sexy 9/11 Google Video (its safe for office or family)
 
Written By: Jeff Loren
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Building 7 collapsed because part of an airplane engine hit it, started a long burning fire, and no firefighters were available to stop it.
 
Written By: Chris
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what’s your take on why Building #7 collapsed
Just a wild guess, but I’d say ’the combination of gravity and a fault in a load bearing member’.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
URL: http://sharpmarbles.stufftoread.com
Oh and MK, your post on Sheen seems a bit self-contradictory... first Sheen is a political naif:

As far as I can tell, Sheen has never expressed any political views of signifigance, or taken a political position on any issue of signifigance. Considering he is over 40, it seems sort of funny he would start now. Is his dad political? Sure
but then he morph’s into a political heavy-weight:

Oh Dale, you got it all wrong. Sheen is deeply steeped in left political thought. I heard he was huge into Marcuse and Derrida when he was doing his dissertation. He was a huge post-modernist - total left wing whack job.
Not entirely contradictory, but it leads me to ask, so is Sheen a naif, or a strong Leftist?
I believe the word you are looking for is sarcastic, as in "Was MK being sarcastic?"
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
(12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building)

It corroborates with this from the video 911 Eyewitness:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness
(Time frame 52:50 - 55:10 , 4 explosions can be heard roughly 12 seconds before WTC1 collapse + white smoke rising from the streets)

The above 911 Eyewitness film was shown in Japan, 50 international journalists were almost in unanimous agreement that controlled demolition brought down the towers.

Tokyo, Japan event: http://www.fccj.or.jp/modules/eCal/display-event.php?id=2014

article: http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=27




Also footage from Loose Change 2nd Edition (time frame 51:30 - 53:40)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change+2nd+edition


MIT engineer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

FEMA and NIST have been unable to offer a plausible explanation for WTC7’s collapse. WTC7 was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report. This is why:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa




Bombs were found in the buildings, and numerous explosions occured before the towers collapsed. The 9/11 Commission has refused to acknowledge or investigate this evidence:

USA Today reported the FBI believed bombs brought the towers down
http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.wtc.truck.bombs.fbi.jack.kelley.rm

CNN reported secondary devices
http://media.putfile.com/911-WTC-Reporter-Secondary-Explosions-CNN-News

NBC also reported secondary devices
http://media.putfile.com/911-WTC-Police-Found-Explosives-Rick-Sanchez


Videos of witnesses reporting explosions before the towers collapsed
http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv


Fire fighter: "here we go again"

Another fire fighter: "Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
Background voices: "secondary device..."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928&q=9%2F11+bomb


Recently uploaded video on google with footage of a presentation given at the University of Wisconsin, along with another presentation that includes a MIT researcher (Debunking the official collapse theories given by our government), news interview with a BYU professor, and Morgan Reynolds. The 9/11 Commission Report denied the existence of the 47 central steel columns in the towers! The 9/11 Commission Report also fails to mention WTC 7.

Video link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939&q=11+revisited
 
Written By: TruthSeeker
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Popular Mechanics ignores:

well documented, numerous warnings from US allies that 9/11 was about to happen and warnings provided to a few not to fly or get out of the way

the "plane into building" wargame in Virginia on 9/11 and the NORAD "live fly" exercises that were also conducted on 9/11

the fighter planes sent the wrong way from Norfolk (over the Atlantic, instead of toward DC). 9/11 was a cloudless day, and this scramble happened after the towers were hit (but before the Pentagon) - what’s their excuse?

stock trades a few days before 9/11 betting the value of American and United Airlines would drop

the fact that Flight 77 hit the nearly empty, recently reconstructed and strengthened sector of the Pentagon — something a terrorist would not have chosen (or been able) to do

the anthrax attacks on the Democratic leadership in the Senate and on the media, which came from an Army lab, not Islamic terrorists
The "Complete 9/11 Timeline" and "Crossing the Rubicon" have the most authoritative accounts of what really happened. Popular Mechanics does not dare mention the documentation in these and other quality reports about 9/11 complicity.

First they ignore you, then they attack you, then you win
 
Written By: Chris
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Chertoff’s Cousin Penned Popular Mechanics 9/11 Hit Piece

Chistopher Bollyn for American Free Press | March 7 2005

Dictators like Saddam Hussein have always used nepotism to protect their secrets and maintain control. Like a dictatorship, the inner cabal that directs the actions of the Bush administration uses the same tactics to confuse the public and conceal the truth of 9/11.

Dictators have always employed nepotism, the placing of family members in key positions, for one simple reason: only loyal family members can be trusted with the secrets that keep them in power. For this reason the shameless nepotism of the Bush administration should alarm Americans because it indicates that a dictatorship is encroaching upon the United States.

The Defense Department defines nepotism as the situation when relatives are in the same chain-of-command.

An egregious example of dictatorial-style nepotism occurred when George W. Bush won the White House ? twice ? thanks to the key "swing state" of Florida, where the presidential candidate’s younger brother is governor. In 2000 and 2004, against all odds, Florida swung decisively, the Bush way.

With high federal offices being given to the wives, sons and daughters of senior members of the Bush administration, the Hearst Corporation executives that publish Popular Mechanics magazine probably didn’t worry about the ethical considerations of hiring a cousin of Michael Chertoff, a former Assistant Attorney General and the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), as senior researcher.

But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM’s senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events.

"Conspiracy theories can’t stand up to the hard facts," the cover reads. "After an in-depth investigation, PM answers with the truth," it says. But the article fails to provide evidence to support its claims and doesn’t answer the key question: What caused the collapses of the twin towers and the 47-story World Trade Center 7?

The Chertoff article goes on to confront the "poisonous claims" of 16 "myths" spun by "extremist" 9/11 researchers like myself with "irrefutable facts," mostly provided by individuals in the employ of the U.S. government.

But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.

 
Written By: Chris
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A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month’s scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.

THE COUP AT POPULAR MECHANICS

In the months leading up to the Chertoff article in PM, a brutal take-over occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the magazines former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who came to PM with a deputy, Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PMs 21-year veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office.

A former senior editor at PM, who is forbidden from openly discussing the coup at PM, told AFP that the former creative director was abruptly told to leave and given severance pay of two weeks wages for every year spent at PM. Three or four people have been similarly dismissed every month since, he said. He said he was astounded that the coup at PM had not been reported in the mainstream media.

PM has long been a supporter of the U.S. military. The magazine ran a full page ad in support of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in May 2003. Since the purge last September, however, PM readers have noticed that government propaganda has replaced scientific writing. A letter to the editor in the current issue says, I think you guys are just another tool in the governments propaganda machine.

(you were saying about that Popular Mechanics article?)
 
Written By: Chris
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You can bash Charlie Sheens character all day and all night. But the official version of 9-11 does not add up.
 
Written By: ahern29
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I’m frightened...someone hold me.
 
Written By: JWG
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Pshaw. In a conversation about credibility, a conspiracy theorist asks me - a stranger - to explain the collapse of 7 WTC. Why? Let me guess... you’re open minded on the subject? You want to know what happened but are sure that you don’t already? You accept me as credible?

Sorry, I don’t feel the conspiracy theorists here have enough credibility to be worth a serious physics / engineering discussion.
 
Written By: Wulf
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All that one needs to know, to be able to conclusively prove that the Twin Towers were demolished, is that the towers fell in roughly 10 seconds, that is, that they fell at about the same rate that an object falls through air.

Anyone with a little common sense will realize that the top of a building does not pass through the concrete and steel that comprises the lower portion of the building at the same rate that it falls through air. This just doesn’t happen, unless, of course, the lower part of the building has lost its structural integrity. This is usually due to the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as seen in controlled demolitions.

The fact that the towers collapsed in about 10 seconds is a statement that the upper portion of each of the towers passed through the lower portion at about the same rate that it would have fallen through air. The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors.

The fact that they fell at such a rate means that they encountered essentially no resistance from the supposedly undamaged parts of the structure. That is, no resistance was encountered from any of the immensely strong parts of the structure that had held the building up for the last 30 years.

You see, this is what Charlie Sheen is talking about. Everyone’s knee jerk reaction is to take personal shots at the guy. Instead of getting educated on the facts and then responding to his questions, people feel it’s easier to just call him a hollywood liberal nut job who has no business commenting on the events of 9-11. Hey, he’s an American just like the rest of us here in this country. The fact is, he really had done his research before he went on the Alex Jones program.

It isn’t just Charlie Sheen wanting answers. It’s firemen, policemen, emergency workers and many others who were there at the scene who heard and felt explosions going off all around them. You don’t have to be an expert to know that there is something wrong when skyscrapers suddenly collapse at the rate of free fall speed.

The laws of science cannot be violated. Therefore, the government’s explanation of why the three buildings collapsed on 9-11 is false. We need a new independent investigation.
 
Written By: Tim
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Oh dear Lord ...
 
Written By: Martin A. Knight
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I still find it hard to believe that people will so readily attack someone who asks simple questions. What is still harder to believe is that once others who attack the person who asked the questions, are asked those questions themselves, dismiss them without any thought.

Where is the logic or common sense in that? I can’t find it. How is it plausible to completely dismiss or accept someone’s words based solely upon their current status or history without backing it up with any evidence?

As for the question someone posed about the motive behind why Bush and others would willingly cause the attacks or knowingly let them happen: Refer to Operation Northwoods. If you don’t find that link credible then please do a google search for it; it will take you 10 seconds but may reveal to you that our government has been capable and willing to do so in the past.
 
Written By: Brad
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Oh dear Lord ...
Indeed. I knew our education system had failed us. I had no idea how badly.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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poor gullible libertarians. im a libertarian myself, but that doesnt mean i take whatever my government and corporate media tells me as %100 truth. i found it hard to believe elements in our government helped in the attacks at first too, but all it takes is a little bit of research and it becomes painfully obvious we have been lied to.but no, its much easier to sit back and take snipes without doing a lick of research.friggin elitists.
 
Written By: Chris
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im a libertarian myself, but that doesnt mean i take whatever my government and corporate media tells me as %100 truth.
Hey, I’ve been a government-distrusting libertarian about 35 years now. I yield to no one in suspicion of government malfeasance.

But if you can’t see how preposterous it is that BushCo could have caused or facilitated 9/11, then you’ve gone over into UFO-Illuminati-Trilateral fantasy land. Hope you enjoy your stay.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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UFO comparisons? gee, thats not too typical. get a new slander, its not working anymore, and please, do a little bit of research, with an open mind, its obvious you havent yet.
 
Written By: Chris
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but i guess if CNN or Time magazine doesnt report something, it didnt really happen. is that how you work?
 
Written By: Chris
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"...please, do a little bit of research, with an open mind, its obvious you havent yet."
You know what, Chris. You’re absolutely right. I have not done research into 9/11 conspiracy theories. For the same reason I don’t research claims about perpetual motion machines, young earth creationism, mathematical proofs to "square the circle" and other ideas detached from reality.

I once visited a crackpot (at the request of a friend) who wanted me to help him with a software program. The program was to implement his theory on the stock market. He claimed to be able to predict trends in the market based on some "Golden Mean" claptrap. And he was living in a run-down house and had no money to speak of. Got that? He can predict the stock market, but somehow he’s got no money!

Of course, just like you, he claimed that if I just researched his theory I would be convinced of it’s validity. Do you think I should have wasted the time to do that, just because an obvious crackpot wanted me to?

The real world is difficult enough to keep up with. I certainly don’t have time to read, analyze, and debunk fantasies such as yours or his. And, even if I did, you would never be convinced, because you don’t want to be convinced.

So as I said, enjoy your residence in fantasy land. The rest of us will try to inhabit the real world.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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not my theory, but keep telling yourself that. almost everything i have researched has been in your beloved corporate media at one time or another, so try again. so dont debunk my fantasies, debunk your beloved medias fantisies that they now ignore and spin. whos living in the real world? the guy who actually takes the time to look at ALL sides of a story, or the guy who passes it off as "fantasy" and "theory" without even cracking a f*cking book. you are clearly a slave to the media, so you should be glad to know most of the conflicting inormation pertaining to 9/11 actually comes from your beloved media in the first place. also, dont believe me, believe the ones your beloved media ignores, such as:
Top Politicians, Economists, Other Leaders
State 9/11 Possibly an Inside Job

Former Chief Economist under President Bush, Morgan Reynolds

Assistant Secretary of Treasury under Pres. Reagan, Paul Roberts

U.S. Senator Mark Dayton

U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney

Renowned Theologian Prof. David Ray Griffin

Head of Advanced Space Programs, Dept. of Defense, Robert Bowman

UK Minister of Environment (1997 - 2003), Michael Meacher

Assistant Secretary of Housing For Pres. Bush, Catherine Austin Fitts

9/11 statement signed by 100 prominent Americans, 40 9/11 family members

Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job
Attack Was ’Coup de’tat,’ Buildings Were Demolished By Controlled Demolitions

Prison Planet | June 27 2005

Former MI5 agent David Shayler, who previously blew the whistle on the British government paying Al Qaeda $200,000 to carry out political assassinations, has gone on the record with his conviction that 9/11 was an inside job meant to bring about a permanent state of emergency in America and pave the way for the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Iran and Syria.

David Shayler joined MI5 in October 1991 and worked there for five years. He started at F Branch (counter-subversion) in January 1992, and worked in T Branch (Irish terrorism) from August 1992 until October 1994. He left the organization in 1996.

Shayler appeared on The Alex Jones Show to kick off what will be a wider public campaign to educate the public on 9/11 issues and government corruption.

Shayler again risked jail by speaking out. The British government has a legal gag preventing him from speaking about his work during his MI5 tenure. Since what Shayler discussed was already on the public record (a consequence of which was his imprisonment on two separate occasions), he now feels safer in stepping back out into the limelight.

Shayler delved into his past investigations and the evidence that led some within MI5 to conclude that the Israelis bombed their own London embassy in July 1994. Shayler said that the Israelis framed two Palestinians who remain in jail to this day.

"The same thing has happened with two Palestinians who were convicted of conspiracy to cause the attack on the Israeli Embassy in Britain in 1994 but MI5 didn’t disclose two documents which indicated their innocence. One document indicated another group had carried out the attack and the other document was the belief of an MI5 officer that the Israelis had actually bombed their own embassy and allowed a controlled explosion to try and get better security and these documents were never shown to the trial judge let alone the defense."

Shayler said that his suspicions were first aroused about 9/11 when the usual route of crime scene investigation was impeded when the debris was immediately seized and shipped off to China.

"It is in fact a criminal offence to interfere with a crime scene and yet in the case of 9/11 all the metal from the buildings is shipped out to China, there are no forensications done on that metal. Now that to me suggests they never wanted anybody to look at that metal because it was not going to provide the evidence they wanted to show people that it was Al-Qaeda."

Shayler then went on to dismiss the incompetence theory.

"The more I look at it, you realize that it’s not incompetence. There were FBI officers all over the country, Colleen Rowley is obviously the one who managed to get a congressional hearing, but there was plenty of evidence certainly."

"There are so many questions that need to be answered, protocols being overridden within national defense, people actively being stopped from carrying out investigations. This wasn’t an accident, they were aware there was intelligence indicating those kind of attacks, there were FBI intercepts saying it in the days before the attacks. When you look at it all, that is a big big intelligence picture and yet these people were crucially stopped from doing their jobs, stopped from trying to protect the American people."

Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovernRay McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush’s first term Morgan Reynolds and many more.

Griffin also argues that many would likely feel they have little incentive to come forward, given the lack of interest on the part of the mainstream media thus far. "You might just be denounced as a conspiracy kook. The press would ignore you, belittle you. People might look into your past and find that you had done some things you’re not so proud of. People would learn very quickly to keep their mouths shut." In spite of these supposed repercussions, he claims a number of whistleblowers such as Kevin Ryan, Sibel Edmonds, and David Schippers(who was the main man behind the Clinton impeachment) have chosen to speak out.

but alas, if its not on CNN or in Newsweek(although much of it is), i guess it didnt really happen?
 
Written By: Chris
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Some of the people whose testimony or writings challenge the official account:


Michael Meacher MP, John Pilger (journalist), Richard Clarke, Republican Congressman Curt Weldon, Sibel Edmonds (FBI interpreter), Josef Bodansky, (director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare), David Shayler (former MI5 officer), Morgan Reynolds (economist in GW Bush administration), Scott Ritter (UN Weapons Inspector), Republican Congressman Ron Paul (2, 3), Andreas von Buelow (2) (German government minister), Indira Singh (whistleblower), Max Cleland (Former 9/11 Commissioner), US Green Party (2), Fire Engineering Magazine, Greg Palast (BBC journalist), Catherine Austin Fitts, Charles Grassley (Republican Senator), David Schippers (Attorney), Peter Dale Scott (1),William Rodriguez, Gore Vidal (journalist), Cynthia McKinney (US Congress), former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad, Dan Ellsberg (Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (ISA), DOD) and over 100 of family members (1,2, 3, 4) and many, many more


US public opinion: Zogby poll

In a 2004 opinion poll conducted by Zogby International amongst New York City residents, 66% called for another full investigation of the "still unanswered questions"


Why are they challenging it?

There are hundreds of pieces of compelling and verifiable evidence and testimony (Link to evidence and testimony page) that directly challenge the 9/11 Commission’s report. This evidence is either omitted from or contradicted by the report. Awkward questions presented to the commission by the Family Steering Committee remain unanswered. One of the most respected presentations of the case against the Commission is by David Ray Griffin: ‘9/11 Commission Report: distortions and omissions’ (2).

The campaign recognizes that there is a diverse range of opinion amongst 9/11 truth campaigners. The campaign does not endorse any one position. What we do say is when taken in totality the evidence overwhelmingly supports the need to reopen 9/11.
 
Written By: Chris
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This is a test....

Hey, Chris! Blucher!
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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hey Billy, look up Tim Osman on Google. i dont wanna hold your hand through this, you can do some research on your own right buddy?
 
Written By: Chris
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Tim, you are welcome to your beliefs, but your interpretation and beliefs regarding demolition and physics are not credible on their own. Neither are Charlie Sheen’s. Yes, it is legitimate to ask questions. It is legitimate to learn more about how buildings collapse under controlled circumstances, or when bombed, or in an unprecedented burn situation. It is legitimate for firemen, policemen, and others who were at the scene to wonder why many experts give an explanation of events that seems contradictory with observations from the scene. It is legitimate to wonder if the government is telling us the truth.

The fact that you have questions and do not believe exactly what the government experts have told you does not make the explanations that you (or Charlie Sheen or the firemen, etc.) come up with credible.

Brad, Charlie Sheen is not being attacked for asking questions. He is being attacked for making assumptions, and giving unsubstantiated answers to the questions. Which, ironically, is exactly what he is accusing others of.

Chris, I would like to (in all seriousness) thank you for providing names and links that can be researched and followed up. I suspect that most people who set out to investigate the events of September 11 will already have their minds made up, but you seem to be willing to go beyond the Charlie Sheen’s “it looked like a controlled demolition to my uneducated eyes” argument. I can respect your efforts, even if I find it in-credible that our government was able to act so swiftly, efficiently, quietly, and invisibly in an effort to terrorize our own citizens. You know, given the track record our government has for efficiency and swiftness.

Part of me really wishes that we could prove that such a conspiratorial cabal of efficient thinkers and doers did exist in our government. I would love to see them tackle some of the other problems we face, besides how to take down the WTC and blame it on OBL. They can start with the traffic congestion around DC, and then work on health care, port security, porous borders, nuclear Iran, and all of the other issues that the government doesn’t seem capable of managing. But I just don’t see any evidence that they exist.
 
Written By: Wulf
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Why is it that those who agree with the official government story always attach the messenger?

As far as physically surveying and prepping the the building for demolition what makes you an expert on how difficult this would be?

Perhaps you should check with the presidents youngest brother since he was on the board of directors in charge of the security at the towers just prior to 9/11.

Do some research into these matters and you will see and then not be in the minority any longer.
 
Written By: Mr B
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Someone wrote:
>>>Why would the US Gov’t destroy buildings, terrorize its own people, and wreck its own economy to start a war?

Response:
This is obviously complex. To answer motive requires a little exposure to recent and not so recent history. Go to www.st911.org and download David Ray Griffin’s CSPAN2 televised lecture, "9/11 and the American Empire" and you will get a good introduction. Go to
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley06.html
and download and listen to Former German Defense Minister Andreas Von Beulow go into details. The short answer is: a pretext for war in Afghanistan and Iraq, increased military and intelligence budgets, and the neoconservative goal enounced in their paper "Project for a New American Century" for "full spectrum" military domination of the world. The head neocons are "crazy" in that they want to dominate the world, and 9/11 was a perfect pretext for achieving all their aims.

Certainly the official story has a much less plausible motive: that Arabs like Mohammed Atta, who was known to have a predilection for pork, alcohol, cocaine, and lap dances, was a "fundamentalist Muslim" who wanted to kill himself to bring about 9/11 because "they hate our freedoms." That is the most implausible motive I have ever heard of. It is a fairy tale.

The world is complex. The motives behind 9/11 are complex. Do some research. Read Webster Tarpley’s "Synthetic Terrorism: Made In America." If you spend some time researching this you will understand the motive. If you do not spend time researching the motives of the neocons and the military-industrial-intelligence complex, you will be uninformed and fooled.
 
Written By: Jeff Q.
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Someone posted a link to the Popular Mechanics article on 9/11 published last year.

Problems with the article include:
1. It was written by a 25 year-old who young adult who was called a “senior researcher” when in fact investigation revealed he was in fact the cousin of the Michael Chertoff, who is the director of the Department of Homeland Security. This relationship was not mentioned in the article or by Popular Mechanics. Does anybody understand the concepts of “conflict of interest” and “nepotism”?
2. It was a “hit” piece filled with sophisticated disinformation techniques and was a gross example of “yellow journalism.”
3. The entire article, point by point, has been thoroughly rebutted in several articles, including two articles shown on the www.st911.org site

Go directly to www.st911.org and watch Dr. Griffin’s C-SPAN lecture, then watch 9/11 Revisited. That will give you the basics as to what Charlie Sheen is talking about.
 
Written By: Jeff Q.
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Someone mentioned Building 7.
Most Americans do not know about WTC Building 7.
Why? Because it has been suppressed by the mainstream media.
It was a 47 story steel frame skyscraper that completely collapsed onto its own footprint at freefall speed. It was never hit by any airplane, sustained only a couple a very small fires, and during its collapse exhibited all the classic signs of controlled demolition. There is absolutely no way to sensibly explain the collapse of that building in the absence of controlled demolition. No skyscraper in history before or since 9/11 has collapsed due to fire only, except for WTC7. Its collapse was covered up by the government and mainstream media and not even MENTIONED in the 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report.
Check out the real facts about Building 7 and the many other facts that refute the government version of 9/11.
Go to
www.st911.org or
www.911truth.org

and start researching and you will learn the real story.
 
Written By: Jeff Q.
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Well, the test worked. Problem is, it worked for more than just Chris...
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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*Sigh*

I guess you’re right Jeff. Bush / "The Gubment" / The Illuminati / whatever managed to somehow secretly drill holes into the base structure using crews of hundreds of people going in and out , undetected for months, running hundreds of feet of wire, working with tons of explosives, scoring steel quietly while people walked to and fro and then managed to get Osama to agree to get his followers to fly a 727 fitted with a military grade fuel tank that no one noticed being attached during the 30 minutes between its previous landing and take off.

Now that you mention it, it’s all clear and a much more simple explanation!

Steel melts somewhere in the ballpark of 1500°. Jet fuel burns nowhere near that temperature. However, wood burns at much lower temps and yet can soften metal when given a chimney (limited space) and lots of air flow (hence why steelsmiths used bellows in the old days). Now, if you ask me (and I doubt you will. You’re already a truebeliever and probably not open to dissenting views), WTC was shaped kinda like a chimney. And it had limited space. And there’s quite a bit of wind available at that height.

And yes, the steel alone is strong, but when a single load bearing member fails, the other members must accept extra weight. When many fail, the results are catastrophic (i.e. falling as fast as they can in an accordion like pattern).

However, thank God we’ve got people like you! As smart as BushCo was, they never calculated the Jeff Qs of the world would use Google to definitively prove scientifically how the US Government murdered thousands of their own to start a war for oil.

But, go ahead and tell me to do more research instead as if I’d just read a little more I too could become a believer and have the lies whisked away from my eyes. The Scientologists tell me the same thing.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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did CNN talk about the power down at the world trade center shortly before 9/11? did they talk about the security measures being relaxed shortly before 9/11? did CNN talk about the security cameras malfunctioning shortly before 9/11? did CNN talk about about how Marvin Bush helped run security in the towers up until 9/11? they didnt talk about any of that? oh, well then it clearly didnt happen.
 
Written By: Chris
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=september+11+2001

http://www.physics911.net/index.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html

http://www.question911.com/links.php

http://www.st911.org/
 
Written By: Chris
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NORAD’s 9/11 press release is self-incriminating -and has now gone missing.
By Evan Ravitz

NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) has deleted their press release about 9/11 from their website! It was at: http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.news_rel_09_18_01 Below is a "screen shot" of the missing web page, with suspicious data circled and questioned (I omit the 4th plane, a much more complicated story.) Other copies exist on other websites, not screen shots, but with identical data at: http://web.archive.org/web/20020615115751/http://www.norad.mil/presrelNORADTimelines.htm and at http://www.standdown.net/noradseptember182001pressrelease.htm.

This press release reveals that something methodically emasculated our air defenses on 9/11, making them fail to follow standard operating procedure.

Since 1958 NORAD and later the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) have maintained a seamless, constant watch on everything that flies, in air or outer space, and regularly send jet fighters to chase off-course planes that don’t respond by radio. In the year before 9/11 they chased 67 planes. Sometimes they chase flocks of birds which look like planes on radar. But 9/11 was a case of the dog that didn’t bark; the biggest, most expensive watchdog in history. NORAD and the FAA use the same $1 billion radar system, tied together with the world’s most secure communication system.

Yet, on 9/11, the only time in history that 4 planes were hijacked, the NORAD press release shows the jets flew far too slowly, from far too far away, their "fighter scramble orders" issued far too late:

Too Slow:

The NORAD press release says near the top: "**** Flight times are calculated at 9 miles per minute or .9 Mach" - this is about 540 mph. Yet the F-16s involved can go 1500mph and the F-15s involved can go 1870mph. Mach .9 is for being polite by not sending sonic booms over a city, not for intercepting hijackers!

Too far:

NORAD says the 2 F-15s which "chased" the 2 planes heading for the WTC left from Otis AFB on Cape Cod, 153 miles away. Yet, no planes left McGuire AFB in NJ, only 70 miles away -and they should have been fully ready. Journalist William Thomas, formerly of Boulder, CO (http://willthomas.net) says a McGuire air traffic controller claims a superior told him: "NO take-offs were permitted ... NONE at all."

They say the 2 F-16s which "chased" the plane headed for the Pentagon left from Langely AFB in VA, 105 miles away. Yet, no planes left Andrews AFB in DC, 10 miles away.

Too Late:

NORAD says the FAA notified NEADS (Northeast Air Defence Sector, part of NORAD) of the 2 planes headed for the WTC at 8:40 and 8:43AM.

Yet, at 8:20 the Flight 11 transponder was turned off (Read Col. Alan Scott of NORAD’s May 23, 2003 testimony to the 9/11 Commission at http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm#panel_one It’s a long document, so search [Control-F] for "Alan Scott" or "8:20".) This alone is supposed to set off alarms, at FAA AND in the NEADS sector of NORAD. The FAA shouldn’t have to notify NEADS. They are supposed to be functionally integrated.

There were 2 other ways authorities would soon know something was wrong, and the planes should be chased down:

1. NORAD and the FAA’s unified radar shows whenever planes are off-course.

2. At least 2 flight attendants made calls to their airlines SAYING they were hijacked. Betty Ong’s 23 minute call was aired by the 9/11 Commission and on national TV on Jan. 27 (See the CNN story at http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/27/911.commis.call/)

23 minutes is plenty for an interception: When golf great Payne Stewart and crew died of hypoxia on their private jet, CNN said F-15s "intercepted the plane shortly after it lost contact with aircraft controllers." (http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/26/wayward.jet.01/index.html) And this was over the Midwest, not in the much more highly protected Northeast.

The PENTAGON??

The Pentagon has its own radar and, supposedly, antiaircraft missiles -but this information is classified. If the $500 billion a year "Defense" Department can’t defend the Pentagon, what can it defend??

Our jets should have easily caught all the planes and circled them awaiting orders from the president to shoot them down. (Bush continued to read to children at a Florida school, after being told of the crashes. See the video at http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm) Since the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing released by the White House on Saturday 4/10/04, titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US" says Bin Ladin "would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef" and mentions "hijack a US aircraft", when the planes headed straight for the WTC, they should have been shot down. Richard Clark said under oath to the 911 Commission on March 24 that he warned Condoleezza Rice on Jan. 25 of planes being used as missiles.

Why was General Richard Myers, then the acting head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, promoted to actual Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, just two months later? Why was Ralph Eberhart, commander of NORAD on 9/11, promoted afterwards to run the new "Northern Command."?

Why didn’t the National Transportation Safety Board do a full investigation of the 4 crashes, as required? You can see the 4 perfunctory reports at: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=9&year=2001

There are many other unanswered questions about what really happened on 9/11. A critical one: why, when all other non-military aviation was grounded after 9/11, were private jets collecting Saudis (including many bin Laden family members) and then flying them out of the U.S.?

The best book on the subject is: "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11" by David Ray Griffin, and introduced by Howard Zinn. You can read actor/activist Ed Asner’s letter to the peace movement at: http://septembereleventh.org/alerts/asner.php By far the best video is Canadian Vision TV’s "The Great Deception" by Barrie Zwicker, available at http://www.viewerplus.com/product.asp?Stat=Vision&ID=12043 I believe it to be the most important documentary since the 1993 Academy award-winning "The Panama Deception".

 
Written By: Chris
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Chris - Go check out TimeCube. That is what you sound like to the rest of us.

I mean, I’m sure if I researched his findings I might find some truth too, but it’s obvious from the first paragraph that it would have very little ROI.

Much like your drivel.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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hey Rob, baaaaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaa. am i speaking your language now sheep? Robb Allen(gullible as hell)
 
Written By: Chris
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hey Rob, baaaaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaa. am i speaking your language now sheep?
No. I use logic, not delusions of conspiracies, to figure out what is real and what isn’t. I ensure that each fact fits with other facts to create the entire narrative. You’re references have a million ’facts’ that have nothing to do with one another. You string them along with a bunch of ANDs put in the middle and call it a conspiracy.

The base question is "WHY?" The next big question is if this was such a grand conspiracy, how could someone like you simply figure it out? Or, am I to believe that BushCo is both, at the exact same time, incredibly stupid and devilishly brilliant? Kind of like Quantum Physics where they’re brilliant until observed?

But I tell you what. You keep fighting the good fight. I admire you for it. Because any government that would kill 3000 of it’s own citizens would have no qualms about killing you for finding out about their devious plans. And that takes guts to stand up to such a dastardly cabal.

Me? I’m going to continue to harp on my congresscritter and senators (both state and local) to make sure my voice is heard and try to change things the best I can. Then I’ll go to work and be productive, come home and give lots of love to my beautiful daughters, and possibly make some beer.

Then a vacation to St. Augustine is in order. Unless you think that the Illuminati meet there and it’s not safe.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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"BushCo" is a misnomer. Bush is clearly a puppet, and Cheney is obviously the real president. you clearly dont use that logic of yours very well. i didnt string together facts that dont fit, it all fits quite nicely. i never said sh*t about the illuminati, but i guess when you have no argument, all you can do is play guilt by association and hurl childish insults. i can play that. Robb Allen says: "if it aint in Newsweek or on CNN, it didnt happen!" oh, and if you cant figure out why 9/11 was needed, you clearly havent been paying attention lately(2 wars,pipelines,bases,oil,defense contracts,patriot act,domestic wiretapping and increased presidential powers in general,Hamid "Unocal" Karzi as president, etc etc etc.)
 
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oh, and if you cant figure out why 9/11 was needed, you clearly havent been paying attention lately
Clearly, I was educated stupid.

Again, you’re logic is faulty. If Cheney is such a master controller and would kill 3000 citizens for oil (being that it would be much cheaper to, you know, just stop sanctions on Iraq and buy it from him, but don’t let that fact get in your head), why hasn’t he killed you, your family, and the owners of all those sites? If he’s so powerful and deranged, why would he allow you to "spread the truth"?

Oh and this?
but i guess when you have no argument, all you can do is play guilt by association and hurl childish insults.
When you started out with this?
hey Rob, baaaaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaa. am i speaking your language now sheep? Robb Allen(gullible as hell)
Pretty much destroyed any credibility you might have had, doesn’t it? Or does that standard only apply to me?

Now, go lock the bolts on your door. The Cheney Jackboot Squad may show up at any minute to take you to reeducation camp.

By the way, I made a few typos (it’s bound to happen, like where I said They’re instead of Their) but you’re punctuation, capitalization and spelling are pretty atrocious. If you’re trying to convince someone of facts, you might want to try getting a better grasp of basic English.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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By the way, I made a few typos (it’s bound to happen, like where I said They’re instead of Their) but you’re punctuation, capitalization and spelling are pretty atrocious. If you’re trying to convince someone of facts, you might want to try getting a better grasp of basic English.

Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)

just what i expected.(oops, i didnt use capitals, better insult me!) more insults, no real debate.

oh and this?:
Oh and this?
but i guess when you have no argument, all you can do is play guilt by association and hurl childish insults.
When you started out with this?
hey Rob, baaaaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaa. am i speaking your language now sheep? Robb Allen(gullible as hell)

this coming from a guy who came out of the f*cking gate with insults.(you have kids? my god im sorry for them)

oh, and Cheney isnt a master controller, hes just one man who is sick enough to use his position in government to help make terrible things happen.

go baaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaack to your CNN sheep.
 
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oh, and Iraq was in the process of switching from the dollar to euros, but dont let that fact get in your way.
 
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"believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors."

If the person weighs 2000 lbs and is moving at 30 mph, they most assuredly will pass through a closed door as if it was open. Similarly, when the top of the building collapsed, it went through each of the lower floors rather easily and quickly. It’s called physics, materials science, civil engineering, and other stuff. If you had cracked some f**.. books you might have learned some of that stuff.
 
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If you had cracked some f**.. books you might have learned some of that stuff.
Yes, but that wouldn’t be nearly as much fun as reading conspirazoid web sites. There, you can be entertained and fool yourself into believing you’re doing your civic duty, all at the same time.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Happy coincidenting!

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we’re talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it’s still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush’s brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history’s little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush’s first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda’s Afghanistan camps, even as the group’s guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications for America’s military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there’s a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.
 
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That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss’s congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers’ Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It’s true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what’s wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it’s true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama’s brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.
 
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That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush’s telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer’s School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi’s terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard’s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney before Seal’s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there’s a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver’s license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha’aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.
 
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That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he’s an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don’t have all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn’t find for conspiracy it’s all a non issue anyway.
 
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That the 9/11 commission’s executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond’s case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn’t wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.

I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible. HA.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html

(plenty of mainstream media links in there for all you libertarians that only trust corporate media)
 
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Rudy Giuliani slavering witness for Moussaoui prosecution

Jerry Mazza / Online Journal | April 8 2006

It starts with a New York Daily News tabloid cover: closeup of Giuliani and the mongo headline that reads, NAIL HIM, RUDY. Get it? To the left, an inset of Moussaoui’s depressed face; left of that, “ex-mayor’s set to face Moussaoui in 9/11 trial & urge the death penalty.” Mano a mano, I guess, or with hammer and nails. Je-sus!

And it’s no small irony that rectangled over Rudy is a shot of Katie Couric headlined, “$60G A DAY TO READ THE NEWS. No wonder Katie’s smiling.” Hear that bloggers, there’s BIG BUCKS in the right news, that is, far to the right.

Now you remember Rudy? When President Bush visited Ground Zero in 2001 (to check on the havoc the Boyz wreaked) and when he asked Guiliani what he could do for him, Rudy replied, “If you catch this guy bin Laden, I would like to be the one to execute him.” Wow, murderous impulses for bad guys for a guy that comes from a family of murderous bad guys.

In fact, it was the pre-9/11 kinder gentler Daily News, actually on July 6, 2000, that brought us Michael R. Blood’s bloody book review called “Rudy’s Kin Tied to Mob.” It was a review of Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani by Village Voice senior editor Wayne Barrett. Scroll down to . . .

"Mayor Giuliani — a former federal prosecutor who won notice for ’pursuing’ the Mafia — had relatives linked to organized crime, including a mobbed-up cousin who was gunned down by FBI agents in 1977, a new book says. Lewis D’Avanzo, a son of the mayor’s uncle and a guest at Giuliani’s first wedding in 1968, was a ’ruthless and widely feared mob associate’ who headed a massive stolen car ring, according to FBI documents and interviews detailed in Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, by Village Voice senior editor Wayne Barrett.

“ . . . The book sketches a largely unflattering portrait of the clan, depicting his father, Harold, as a hothead and the "muscle" behind a brother-in-law’s loansharking operation, run out of a Brooklyn bar. Along with cracking heads, it says the mayor’s father served time in state prison for a stickup, rarely held an on-the-books job and once was a gunman in a mob shootout in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn.

“According to the book, Giuliani’s cousin Lewis D’Avanzo was known as ‘Steve the Blond’ and listed as armed and dangerous in FBI bulletins. His criminal record included a 10-year federal sentence for the armed hijacking of a truck loaded with $240,000 worth of mercury. The book alleges that he was suspected of taking part in several murders. D’Avanzo was gunned down by the FBI in October 1977, when he tried to run down an agent after being stopped on a warrant that accused him and two associates of transporting 100 stolen luxury cars.

“Quoting an unnamed friend of D’Avanzo, the book describes a 1962 shootout pitting a local mobster against the mayor’s father and Leo D’Avanzo, Lewis D’Avanzo’s father. The book says Leo was later sanctioned by mob bosses for shooting at a Mafia member. Leo D’Avanzo, who was known in family circles as a black sheep, ran loansharking and gambling operations out of a Brooklyn bar where Giuliani’s father worked as a bartender. In his role as debt collector, his father ’broke legs, smashed kneecaps, crunched noses . . ." And so on and on and on.

You’ve come a long way Rudy to World Hero. Or have you? Remember that slip of the tongue from Tom Kenney of FEMA’s National Urban Search and Rescue Team, telling Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10, 2001 (what a coincidence). And you, Rudy, were supposed to use this as your command post on 9/11/2001, after you were to evacuate WTC 7.

So this means what, that you knew that night before that the WTC was going to collapse and didn’t say anything? And you knew about the five major terror hijacking drills that were going to be run on 9/11 that would fill the screen with some 22 plans and render NORAD, in a word, impotent. Yup, read all about them on the link above from Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.

And wait a minute. Didn’t you tell, like it says there, the late Peter Jennings of ABC News, “We were operating out of there when were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse.” How could you have known that then when no steel building (especially a redundant steel building) in history had ever collapsed before from fire damage? Smells like a rat to me, Rudy.

Now, did you tell the above to the people on the jury? I don’t think so. I read your polemic and I didn’t hear a word about your foreknowledge of the terrible event that Zacarias Moussaoui is now taking the rap for, single-handedly, and with a “sting band” to boot, and with your urging the jury to give him the big sting, death by lethal injection in the Terre Haute, Indiana, death house.

I guess, since George and the Boyz couldn’t get hold of Osama bin Laden after almost five years, they’re desperate for a goat. So you’ll have to settle for the hapless Moussaoui and help shove the needle in. I guess America will have to settle for that, because you’re one of the Boyz, and the Boyz, with choir master Cheney, the big shooter, took charge and ran the hit. So we need a patsy, no? Like father like son, like cousin like cousin. Madonna mia.

And there you were at the trial, telling the people to listen to the tapes of dying people in the Towers, when it was your crew that told those people to stay in the buildings. Why didn’t you tell the courtroom like you did Peter Jennings that WTC 7 was going to fall, or even that Towers 1 and 2 were going to fall? You could hear the detonations going off from both buildings. You knew all this and ran around like Captain Video with his Video Rangers, and never said a word.

And those tapes from the planes. They’re baloney. More CIA productions like the Osama tapes. First of all cell phones didn’t work then from nearly seven miles up. It’s a scientific fact. It wasn’t till 2004 that American Airlines spent millions to install cell “towers” in the nosecones of their planes so that cell phone calls could be made. And the ones being played are be fakes, cruel jokes. Is that why the public is not allowed to hear them?

How could you look those people in the eye, knowing what you know? How do you look yourself in the eye? Are you another Bernie Kerik, your old partner, another procurer and thief and god knows what else, who got kicked out of the post of Homeland Security Boss. But hey, that’s guilt by association. We don’t need that when we’ve got red-handed guilt, guilt by word, deed and action. So tell the people. Confess. Set the record straight. Mention your juicy speaking fees, hundreds of thousands of dollars, for capitalizing on people’s tragedies.

And, readers, if you think this Rudy rage is just me, just listen to what this 9/11 widow, Kristen Breitweiser, posted under “Giuliani’s Deadly Impact?” at huffingtonpost.com on Wednesday.

“Can someone please explain to me why Rudy Giuliani gets to give a victim’s impact statement at the Moussaoui penalty phase hearing? Which family member did Guiliani lose in the attacks?

“Forgive me, but Giuliani is the person responsible for deciding to locate NYC’s emergency command center in the World Trade Center along with a diesel fuel tank (against the advice of certain FDNY officials) before 9/11.

“Locating the city’s emergency command center in a known al Qaeda target (the towers were struck in 1993 and al Qaeda publicly promised to return to finish the job) was a colossal failure in judgment on his part that cost hundreds of lives on 9/11.

“During the attacks, because the command center was rendered inoperable, NYC had no clear chain of command and no physical command structure in place to coordinate the emergency response. Frankly, the whole reason Giuliani was on television all day and available for interviews was because he was scrambling around the streets trying to set up a command post since the one he had designed and located was paralyzed during the attacks.

“Anyone who wants to witness the results of NYC’s abysmal emergency response to the attacks need only listen to the recently released 911 tapes that chillingly reveal a total lack of coordination and flow of vital life-saving information plaguing the city and its emergency response apparatus that day. (By the way, Mayor Bloomberg has yet to fix the 911 system — even five years later.)

‘Furthermore, Giuliani is also responsible for giving the FDNY inoperable Motorola radios. This, too, cost hundreds of lives when firemen did not hear the order to evacuate the towers prior to their collapse. (By the way, those radios are still not fixed — blame this on Bloomberg, too.)

“How is a man who is responsible for such horrific and deadly judgments invited to give a victim’s impact statement as to how 9/11 impacted him?” Indeed, my dear, how?

“By these standards, should I expect Condoleezza Rice (Ms. ’Nobody knew planes could be used as missiles’), George Tenet (Mr. ’I failed to tell the FBI for 18 months that two known al Qaeda killers were living in San Diego and planning the 9/11 attacks’), and perhaps, George Bush (Mr. ’I was reading a story about a pet goat while thousands of people perished and burned alive in the World Trade Center because I didn’t want to alarm the school children.’) to provide victim’s impact statements, as well?”

Really, Rudy. who are you to be urging anyone to be executed when it is your own miserable self who should be condemned. Fellow Italian American. Gombah. Gangster. How far you’ve come, how far, from that guy who passed me on Third Avenue 20 years ago, the tough DA prosecutor, looking like you were going somewhere, when in fact you landed nowhere, Ground Zero. Then you swept all the evidence of America’s major crime scene away in a matter of eight months. But when you get on the stand to grandstand next time, tell it all.

Now that’s Rudy’s real face. And just to put a face on Moussaoui, here’s this email sent to me from a friend of his family in response to my article that Moussaoui was wearing a “stun belt” . . .

This is absolutely true. I was in the courtroom with his mom at the beginning of the trial and he was definitely wearing a stun belt underneath his prison suit . . . The most worrying thing truly was that a number of people — including. journalists who had studied him during previous hearings and his own mother noted that his behavior was very irregular. The first part of the day he was totally lethargic and hardly moving at all, then he would become more attentive to what was going on and then become agitated by the end of the day. We all wonder if he is being drugged every morning . . . We don’t have the answer though. Thanks for your article, so far no media had actually raised this topic.

Yes, and isn’t that strange, Katie and friends, such a universal outcry for the goat’s blood and nothing but applause for Hizzoner’s uninterrupted, insidious rhetoric that will hang a man one way or the other in the gallows of history unless some truth be told, like now.
 
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It’s all clearly the work of the Illuminati.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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I could go on. And on and on.

You have. You should have your own blog - spread it out so it doesn’t seem so monotonous and whacky. Chris, If you set up a 9-11 conspiracy blog, let me know... email me or something. I promise to link you.
 
Written By: Wulf
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
That George Bush’s brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.(right billy?

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.(right billy?)

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.(right billy?)

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history’s little aberrations.(right billy?)

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.(right billy?)

That one of George Bush’s first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda’s Afghanistan camps, even as the group’s guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.(right billy?)
do you read billy? or do you live in a closed off, elitist type libertarian world where you find books and research as intrusive?
 
Written By: Chris
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That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he’s an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

(all "coincidences" huh guys? like i said, you can find almost all of this information in that corporate media you guys trust so much if you do a little digging. have a good day, ya bunch of friggin elitist coincidence theorists.)
 
Written By: Chris
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Good lord, Chris, look at how many people were directly involved in this conspiracy.

Isn’t it amazing that not a single one of them has come forward to write the tell-all book of the century?
 
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You can give these sheeple every reason in the world to take a peek at what’s going on and they blindly dismiss it all. Chris you’re wasting your time. It’s a noble cause but obviously fruitless.

They can’t answer the questions any more than you or I, and from the look of it they could care less that the questions even exist. Let them sleep... they’ll come around when it is easier for them to tag along than to stand alone.
 
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really hypocrites? can you show me where i used profanity? no? you cant? because i didnt? you mean you banned me because my views dont fit yours? oh i see. keep censoring people, thats a good way to get a reputation. hint hint.
 
Written By: Chris
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thanks Brad. point taken, but i cant always preach to the converted you know? sometimes you have to try and educate the sheeple(even know-it-all libertarian elitists)
 
Written By: Chris
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really hypocrites?
Really, dumb*ss!

Censored huh?

Quit whining and take your tin-foil hat elsewhere.

 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Really, dumb*ss!

Censored huh?

Quit whining and take your tin-foil hat elsewhere.



Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/

(even know-it-all libertarian elitists)

Written By: Chris
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thanks for making my point smart guy.
 
Written By: Chris
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thanks for making my point smart guy.
Chris, you’ve had no point from your first post.

None.

Volume isn’t erudition, and lists of supposed facts without any credible linkage or any plausible premise isn’t argument.

You’re conspiracy theories rest on a foundation of impossibility. I can’t even be as kind as to label them as improbable. If there was even a hint of probability, I might have some sympathy. But there isn’t, at least not to a rational human being who’s actually had some experience in life (and hasn’t spent it behind a keyboard hatching nonsense like your scenarios) ... and it is that part you folks continue to miss.

Buy up your foil now, because the price of aluminum is going up, and, I suppose, you’ll find a way to blame that on Bush and the boys as well.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
oh i see. your a Bush fan, so that keeps you from being able to look at 9/11 objectively.Bush is a puppet and a moron, i dont think he caused 9/11.never once said that.(you mentioned no credible linkage. whats credible to you? im curious.does it have to be corporate? beacause there is plenty of that for you. CNN? ABC? Time? all of those links and more are there, but i know reading isnt your strong suit) quick, make another typical "tin foil hat" joke because you have no real argument! snipe away gullible little sheep! you are proof positive that ignorance is bliss.
 
Written By: Chris
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Dale, you expect people to take you seriously after a statement like this?:Ah, yes, those highly retarded(classy of you) regarded individuals. I don’t know much about most of the people on the list
You dont know much about them, so they MUST be retarded? Go ahead, ban me now, but next time you call somebody retarded you might want to do a little bit of research(i know its tough for you conservative/libertarian elitists to do research) on the person first. You know, maybe figure out who the hell they are and what exactly they said? Too much work for a self congratulatory ego like yourself?
 
Written By: Chris
URL: http://
Pan Am Flight 103 ... Corrupt CIA officials, allowed the bombing of Pan Am 103 to proceed, because Charles McKee knew too much about "Operation Ringwind" ... The masterminds who engineered the 9/11 attacks, George Bush Sr. and Robert Gates, were passengers on the 1980 October Surprise flight to Paris.
 
Written By: David Howard
URL: http:// Stoelting Ultrascribe polygraph
Google Search: Morgan Reynolds on the 911 Hoax
 
Written By: David Howard
URL: http:// Stoelting Ultrascribe polygraph

 
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