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Terrorism: Recruiting "White" muslims
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, April 18, 2006

Although we don't "profile" (cough, cough), muslim terror organizations have decided looking "arabic" is a detriment and are looking for a few "white" muslims to blow themselves (and others) up:
Terrorists have been working to recruit non-Arab sympathizers — so-called "white Muslims" with Western features who theoretically could more easily blend into European cities and execute attacks — according to classified intelligence documents obtained by The Associated Press.

A 252-page confidential report jointly compiled by Croatian and U.S. intelligence on potentially dangerous Islamic groups in Bosnia suggests the recruitment drive may have begun as long as four years ago, when Arab militants ran up against tough post-9/11 security obstacles.
The good news? The recruiting pool is probably small:
"A pool of potential white recruits carrying Bosnian or even Western passports would presumably be of great value to terrorists," it said, calling the Balkan country "a deeply traumatized society susceptible to extremism."

"Muslims are going through a very tempting time," conceded Mustafa Ceric, the leader of Bosnia's Islamic community. He insisted, however, that there was no stomach for extremist violence after years of devastating ethnic conflict.

"If we wanted terrorism, we had a chance to do so in the heat of our suffering, and we did not," he said in an interview.

NATO's top commander in Bosnia, U.S. Brig. Gen. Louis Weber, concurred in an interview, saying Bosnian Muslims overwhelmingly are moderate and secular, and the terror threat is fairly low because "there isn't a large community that would support that kind of activity here."
But, as we all know, in terms of the effect of terrorism, it doesn't take an army. A few here and a few there will do. Anyone who doesn't think a person of European heritage (and looks) is going to be scrutinized as closely as one of Arab heritage while moving around Europe isn't much of a student of human nature.

Terrorism is like a disease virus which continually mutates, making a 'cure' almost impossible. This is simply another of those mutations which we will have to combat thorough increased awareness.
 
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I really wonder how many terroism tips and alerts come from some poor guy who knows really nothing being tortured until he can make up someting that his interrogator wants to believe.

We get so much bad intel, how will we ever recognize the good?



 
Written By: cindy bravo
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Although we don’t "profile" (cough, cough), [...]
[...] so-called "white Muslims" with Western features who theoretically could more easily blend into European cities and execute attacks [...]
We don’t profile, but I’ll bet some of the Europeans do. Grud, the Germans used to pick out GIs a mile away...
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Interesting.

Europe had "white" Communist terrorists for decades, and they seem to be pretty much stamped out. (Though Peru suffered terribly with Communist terrorists in the 1980s, and India and Nepal are having troubles now). And American right-wing terror appears (so far, anyway) to have reached its apogee in the mid 90s.

So I do think that when an ideology is sufficiently discredited and deprived of a base of support, that particular manifestation of terror can be dissipated. Though you’re of course right that terror as a tactic will go on.
 
Written By: Mithras
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I really wonder how many terroism tips and alerts come from some poor guy who knows really nothing being tortured until he can make up someting that his interrogator wants to believe.
Why all of it, Cindy. We don’t care about results, we just want to hurt people.
We get so much bad intel, how will we ever recognize the good?
Why, it’s all good; it will lead us to more people to torture, which is, after all, the goal.

My above responses to Cindy’s post are sarcastic, BTW.

Since you can’t figure out how to recognize good intel, I’m happy that you aren’t running the program.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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This sort of suprises me. I always thought Islam itself was a race, since everytime I criticize Islamic theology or Muslim leadership I get branded a racist by people like Cindy.
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
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I really wonder how many terroism tips and alerts come from some poor guy who knows really nothing being tortured until he can make up someting that his interrogator wants to believe.
Well Cindy, if you’d have bothered to read the linked article, you’d have found this:
His code name was Maximus, and he held secret meetings in a shabby room at the Banana City Hotel on the outskirts of Sarajevo.

Bosnian police put him under surveillance, and in a raid last fall on his apartment on Poligonska Street, authorities seized explosives, a suicide bomber belt and a videotape of masked men begging Allah’s forgiveness for what they were about to do.

What they planned, investigators believe, was to blow up a European embassy. But compounding their concern, they say, was the ringleader’s background: Maximus turned out to be Mirsad Bektasevic, a 19-year-old Swedish citizen of Serbian origin with ties to a senior al-Qaida operative.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
You know, I think Cindy is on to something. I really wonder if we are providing proper dental care to our incarcerated terrorist friends. Are they provided floss? Free crowns? What if they want a quiche or a latte? Not to mention a fully stocked library (appropriately screened for "multiculteral sensitivity" so as to not offend) and finally, has any care been taken to provide burka-clad conugal visits by ladies flown in from the home country of the prisoner? What are we, barbarians?
 
Written By: Notherbob2
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I think that the recruitment of "white" Muslims shows the failure of the GWoT. We are making MORE enemies! I blame Chimpy McBusHitlerBurton!
 
Written By: Joe
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And Notherbob2 raises an interesting question or questions? And how about sex-change operations? And Cable TV and internet access? What about Al-Jazeera and visits from the local Al-Qaeda representatives? How about continuing education classes, bomb-making and bomber recruiting techniques change on a quarterly basis, can we let these men’s skills atrophy?

I don’t know about the burka conjugal visits, though... that sounds like PRE-MARITAL SEX...and would involve the potential corruption of Islamic females, Now if the US offered Hooters Girls, obviously Western Depraved Sluts, that would be different... the inmates could have relations and then slap them for being so promiscuous.
 
Written By: Joe
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The good news? The recruiting pool is probably small
I’m not so sure. Chechnyan Muslims, which have been the bane of Russia, look pretty much like any other eastern European to American eyes. There are signifigant populations of Muslims in the balkans, which could be used for this purpose. What passes for ’white’ is rather broad, and highly subjective.

Furthermore, I submit that it is not neccesary to look white. Merely looking non-Arab would be sufficient. Indonesia is one of the largest Muslim nations in the world, home of the Bali bombing. Most of its people look like slightly darker-skinned Asians. Then, of course, we have the risk of converts such as Jose Padilla and John Walker Lindh. Neither of those would show up in racial screens, and both were US citizens to boot.

This is precisely why racial profiling does not work. Rather than increasing the level of security, all it does is build unneccesary and exploitable holes into the system. This is why the popular wisdom of ’let everyone else through security and stop the Arabs’ is not, nor has ever been, sound policy.

 
Written By: Rosensteel
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Well Rosensteel, I’d submit that 90-plus% of our terrorists have been Semitic in appearance... it’s not fool proof, but it doesn’t hurt to examine the folks named Mohamet, here on Visa’s, aged 19-35 a LITTLE more closely, than say, oh 70 y.o Grannies.
 
Written By: Joe
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Jannisaries.
 
Written By: looker
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Joe,

As a former Hooters Girls and obvously still a western depraved slut, it really doesn’t escape me how bad Islamic fundimentalism is. I just really wish we were not doing everything we can do to make more of them.

Mark,
Since you can’t figure out how to recognize good intel, I’m happy that you aren’t running the program.
Which is worse, not acting on good Intel (The NIE said "Bin Laden to attack US") or to act on bad intel ("In the very near future Saddem will have Nuclear weapons")?

Pick a random guy on the street. On average, he will do a better job of running the program than the clowns we have now. At least he will know what he doesn’t know.

Jimmy,

You guys are wrong about liberal attitutes toward profiling. I have no issue with profiling provided that it is thought through. If we profile do we open ourselves up to the blond white terrorist? How likely is it? Is it worth the risk? The question isn’t right or wrong but effective or ineffective. The pro-profiling people make a lot of assumptions.

This doesn’t mean you are not a racist. You haven’t provided enough information.

Rosensteel,
You have stated the liberal perspective on profiling. There is hope for you yet. Logic and reason rule!

McQ
What they planned, investigators believe, was to blow up a European embassy. But compounding their concern, they say, was the ringleader’s background: Maximus turned out to be Mirsad Bektasevic, a 19-year-old Swedish citizen of Serbian origin with ties to a senior al-Qaida operative.

 
Written By: cindyb
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Well ACTUALLY CindyB I’d say we are doing LOTS to make fewer of them... killing them whereever possible and reforming their heartland so the next generation of terrorists is smaller...
 
Written By: Joe
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What they planned, investigators believe, was to blow up a European embassy. But compounding their concern, they say, was the ringleader’s background: Maximus turned out to be Mirsad Bektasevic, a 19-year-old Swedish citizen of Serbian origin with ties to a senior al-Qaida operative.
Yeah, Cindy ... that was kind of the point of my rebuttal. It wasn’t intel gather from some poor schlub they tortured. It was good, old fashioned police work that landed Maximus. That’s pretty good intel.

Oh ... and Maximus was a white muslim with AQ ties.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Oh and CindyB yu SAY you were a Hooters grllll, sure... I believe you need to post photo’s proving it... and YES I am a sexist pig, thank you...
 
Written By: Joe
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Cindy, the NIE always says "Bin Laden plans to attack the US". I can also guarantee that it will rain somewhere this year. Either statement is next to useless.

As to Saddam having nuclear weapons in the near future, it all depends on context, before the Osirak bombing that was very true (thanks to our friends the French with supplying the tech). And just after gulf war 1 that was also true until we carted off his materials and trashed his program. So when those dope heads at CIA were staying he had nukes on the horizon (jeez, Clinton, Gore et al believed them when they were in power), and the last 2 times it turned out true, what would you have us do?
 
Written By: capt joe
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Europe had "white" Communist terrorists for decades, and they seem to be pretty much stamped out.

Yeah. All hail the victory of individualism.
 
Written By: Wulf
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
Jon seems to be confused. He just had me convinced that having WMDs was very, very important (or was is NOT having WMDs?) anyway, the having or not having of WMDs was very, very, very, important and meaningful. Critical. Vital.
And not supporting terrorists. Also very important. Very, very important.
Now we have Iran. WMDs? Not a problem. Supporting terrorists? We can live with that.
What is consistent? Well, I am not sure. I think what Jon is saying is that we must place our heads firmly in our posteriors and hope and pray that the jihadists go away. So let’s ignore those alarmists who are making movies like “United 93” (“it’s too soon!”) and get rid of those awful neoconservatives who see Hitler behind every fanatic who says he means to kill all infidels (us!). And let’s ignore the failures of U.N. attempts to restrain Saddam and have an “economic rapprochment” (Oil For Food) and see if we can’t get Nobel Prize-winning Jimmy Carter to come out of retirement to lead us in a few choruses of Kumbaya while the islamist fanatics ...aaah...just what DO those guys do? Bust a gut laughing at us? Before they reach for the box-cutters. Allah is great!
Seriously, we got into WWII because of those who said that something other than troops kicking butt whould stop Hitler. You can read about it.
 
Written By: Notherbob2
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I’ve no idea what you are incoherently writing about, Bob.

At no point have I argued that I want Iran to have nuclear weapons. I merely point out that this situation is extremely complicated and US military intervention could have a net negative effect.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Somehow the Iran discussion inevitably evolves into cliche. We need a new Godwin’s Law. The first side who uses a cliche as a conclusion loses. We can call it Notherbob’s Law. Of course, discussions would be short and the blogosphere would disappear, but....
Of course, we know that all would simply ignore the law, as they have Godwin’s, except to mention it before they wale on ol’ Hitler et al.
Anyway, ignoring Notherbob’s Law, my cliche is a bluff is only effective if the other side believes that you will actually do it. Kennedy blinked (we now know), but Kruschev must have believed that he meant it, else Cuba (and the Cold War) would be a whole ‘nother smoke. Presenting an alternate agenda, as Jon has, is a good thing. We must do something to solve the problem after we back off the scary guys.
Thanks to the far left and their loquacious screeds Ali is saying to Ahmed as they sit around the tent discussing jihad:: “America is a paper camel.” (OK, what would you have used, a donkey?) All they do is talk, talk, talk. Those virgins are there for the taking. Those cowards are shaking in their tents. We have some money that the helpful leftist professor in Florida got from stupid U. S. liberals to help those feckless Palestinians, let’s buy the bomb from those Russian thugs and get it on.”
We need to have Ali saying to Ahmed: “You are a fool. Do that and the Americans will crush us like a date. Drink your tea. We will use the money to buy DVD’s of Britney to sell to those decadent _______’s.”
Leftists are an expensive luxury.
 
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