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Those darn generals
Posted by: Dale Franks on Tuesday, April 18, 2006

The Washington Post has taken an interesting editorial stand on the whole generals/Rumsfeld controversy. Their conclusion" Rummy should go, and generals should STFU.

The money 'grafs:
Much of [the generals'] analysis strikes us as solid — but the rebellion is problematic nonetheless. It threatens the essential democratic principle of military subordination to civilian control — the more so because a couple of the officers claim they are speaking for some still on active duty. Anyone who protested the pushback of uniformed military against President Bill Clinton's attempt to allow gays to serve ought to also object to generals who criticize the decisions of a president and his defense secretary in wartime. If they are successful in forcing Mr. Rumsfeld's resignation, they will set an ugly precedent. Will future defense secretaries have to worry about potential rebellions by their brass, and will they start to choose commanders according to calculations of political loyalty?

In our view Mr. Rumsfeld's failures should have led to his departure long ago. But he should not be driven out by a revolt of generals, retired or not.
Additionally, one of the generals, Anthony Zinni, may want to "clarify" some of his remarks.
Former Clinton CENTCOM commander, Anthony Zinni — the most prominent of the retired generals attacking Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld — now says that, in the run-up to the war in Iraq, "What bothered me ... [was that] I was hearing a depiction of the intelligence that didn't fit what I knew. There was no solid proof, that I ever saw, that Saddam had WMD."

But in early 2000, Zinni told Congress "Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Arabian Gulf region," adding, "Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, [and] retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions ... Even if Baghdad reversed its course and surrendered all WMD capabilities, it retains scientific, technical, and industrial infrastructure to replace agents and munitions within weeks or months."
Of course, now that his retirement is safe, he can "speak truth to power".
 
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Ok - so you are mad at the retired generals. Noted. But who the f**k cares? What does it matter at this point? I assume you would blog on this point only if what the generals had to say or Rummy’s exit would matter to the outcome in Iraq.

But they don’t matter.

Today saw a pitched battle between Sunnis and Shiites on the streets of Iraq. From Reuters:
Snipers held rooftop positions as masked Sunni Arab insurgents said they were gearing up for another open street battle with pro-government Shi’ite militiamen in Baghdad’s Adhamiya district on Tuesday.

The Arab Sunni stronghold is still feeling ripples from overnight clashes on Monday that appeared to be the closest yet to all-out sectarian fighting.

It’s a reality that has Washington scrambling to avert civil war as Iraqi politicians struggle to form a government four months after parliamentary elections.

A U.S. military spokesman said 50 insurgents attacked Iraqi forces in the middle of the night in a seven-hour battle that killed five rebels and wounded an Iraqi soldier.

Fighting was so fierce that U.S. reinforcements were brought in to the northern district, home to some of Iraq’s most hardcore Sunni guerrillas and the Abu Hanifa mosque, near where Saddam Hussein was last seen in public before going into hiding.

Sporadic fighting continued on Tuesday.

"There are six people among our dead and wounded. Just half an hour ago a sniper killed Ali," said Mohammad, a 28-year-old Adhamiya resident, of his friend.

While the February bombing of a Shi’ite shrine pushed Iraq to the edge of civil war and left hundreds of bodies with bullet holes and torture marks on the streets, the scenario in Adhamiya is more alarming, despite fewer casualties.

It appeared to be the first example of a large-scale, open sectarian street battle in the capital, if not all of Iraq.

The boldness of the attack was a stark reminder of the security nightmare that will challenge the new government, which will face a Sunni insurgency that has killed many thousands of Shi’ite security forces and civilians.

"Today at noon a group of army soldiers came near the Abu Hanifa mosque and a sniper went on top of the roof. We managed to kill him with a grenade. I destroyed three of their vehicles with roadside bombs," said another rebel.

Insurgents setting up barricades said they saw Shi’ite fighters calling themselves The Army of Haidar closing in on the Abu Hanifa mosque from three directions.
Is a different Sec/Def going to make a difference? No. Who cares about this debate.

Oh - and by the way - we are on Iran’s side in Iraq. Not thst wingers care about that kind of thing.

Handing Iraq over to Iran at the cost of a trillion dollars and over 2300 American lives will be judged as the biggest foreign policy blunder in American history. Rumsfled will be a footnote.

Two years, nine months, and two or three days left.

 
Written By: mkultra
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So MKUltra, say it, you know you want to.

ITS A QUAGMIRE!!!!

oh the humanity...
 
Written By: capt joe
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Many must see it as completely irrational that a General’s moral ruler for justifying his institutions budget and a preventive war might not be measured on the exact same scale.

Clearly, we had bullet-proof intelligence of Saddams active WMD program. No ’probably’ about it.
 
Written By: srv
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So MKUltra, say it, you know you want to.

ITS A QUAGMIRE!!!!

oh the humanity...
A cornered winger is a dangerous winger. When one encounters a dangerous winger, one shoukd be careful. For instance, the winger has likely rolled up print editions of National Review tight enough to make a shiv.

A quagmire assumes that it matters if we leave or if we stay. In Iraq, it doesn’t matter if we leave or if we stay.

A quagmire would be a positive development.

Oh - and by the way - the Iranians appreciate your support, Capt. Joe.

 
Written By: mkultra
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I’m reading Tommy Frank’s autobiography right now and last night I just got to the Iraq war planning section.

According to him, they took the then latest 1998 plan (must have been under Zinni) that was basically "Desert Storm II and modified it.

So how is that throwing plans away?

 
Written By: Harun
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"[was that] I was hearing a depiction of the intelligence that didn’t fit what I knew. There was no solid proof, that I ever saw, that Saddam had WMD."

Is he implying that he had intelligence that Saddam did NOT have WMD? Has he spent his entire career making life and death decisions on the basis of solid proof? Somewhat unusual from what litle I know. Evidently, whereas the President and others have only National Intelligence Estimates to rely on for decision making, Zinni had access to solid proof.
 
Written By: timactual
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Well, the whole article is silly..."Generals STFU" but "Rumsfeld Retire." OK, if the latter occurs why wuld the former occur... the obvious lesson would be that 7 Generals can bring down a SecDef. The generals won’t shut up they’ll just keep on skeaking "truth to power", UNLESS, in my cynical opinion, they choose to speak truth to DEMOCRATIC Power, then’ll they’ll just be Right-Wing Partisan Hacks and Clinton-haters.
 
Written By: Joe
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Two years, nine months, and two or three days left

....until Pres. Giuliani.
 
Written By: shark
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Instapundit notes that Scrappleface is not to be missed today:
”A growing movement of retired and active-duty U.S. military officers, angry at the mismanagement, arrogance and even deception that have hampered U.S. efforts to secure peace and democracy in Iraq, have begun quietly calling for the resignation of top leaders they blame for the difficulties.
“I believe that it’s time for them to step down,” said one unnamed retired three-star general. “The editors of The New York Times and Washington Post and the news producers at CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC should resign effective immediately.”
 
Written By: Notherbob2
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they choose to speak truth to DEMOCRATIC Power, then’ll they’ll just be Right-Wing Partisan Hacks and Clinton-haters.
TOOT TOOT! Strawman alert!
It’s a timeless classic - create a fantasy situation (be sure to mention CLINTON) as proof of.... nothing. Well done.
 
Written By: Mike
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Sure Mike...tell me was Paula Jones "Trailer Trash" or was she speaking truth to power, were the nature of the charges more important than the nature of the evidence? I just note when folks who support abortion rights get in trouble, their accusers don’t seem to be accorded quite the respect that others might get. Another example might be the Swift Boat Vet’s v. Bush and the TX NG story....
 
Written By: Joe
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MK, run away or I shall mock you again. ;)

But hey, these days, your side seems to be all for letting the Iranians get and keep their bomb. That is the support they really want.

Thanks for playing.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Handing Iraq over to Iran at the cost of a trillion dollars and over 2300 American lives...

Not to mention that brutal Afghan winter.
 
Written By: equitus
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Ah yes, General Paula Jones...
and what’s that about DEMOCRATIC power???? Now I know you’re crazy.
 
Written By: Mike
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I assume you would blog on this point only if what the generals had to say or Rummy’s exit would matter to the outcome in Iraq.
Then you don’t know a whole f*ck of a lot about why I blog stuff. I blog whatever catches my interest at a particular moment in time. Whether it’s connected to any larger issue is entirely irrelevant. All that matters is whether or not I want to write about it at the moment.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Ah yes, General Paula Jones...
and what’s that about DEMOCRATIC power???? Now I know you’re crazy.
Or that you’re terminally dense or deliberately obtuse....
 
Written By: Joe
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"All that matters is whether or not I want to write about it at the moment."

How shamelessly and decadently self indulgent. Another reason why the internet, a valuable resource for education and enlightenment, must be regulated by a proper authority that has the best interests of the public as its only priority, not narcissistic self-gratification.
 
Written By: timactual
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Or that you’re terminally dense or deliberately obtuse....
Or both!
How shamelessly and decadently self indulgent. Another reason why the internet, a valuable resource for education and enlightenment, must be regulated by a proper authority that has the best interests of the public as its only priority, not narcissistic self-gratification.
Oh must yourself, I thought this was a libertarian forum.
 
Written By: Mike
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This may be a libertarian forum, but that does not mean that it cannot be visited by right-thinking individuals who have the best interests of mankind at heart rather than their own narrow interests. Power to the people!
 
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