"I know many out there think Dr. Dean is the greatest thing since sliced bread"
I am not a fan of the left but I couldn’t agree more!. ;) |
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Actually, it "made the DNC money". The DNC had made a donation to the NGLTF, which the NGLTF returned. Maybe that’s Dean’s new fundraising mechanism! |
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Jon Henke
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You know, you’re right ... I "misstated" Dean’s effect, since edited. |
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Dean’s recent actions are indicative of the way the GLBT community gets treated. What is a real shame is that if the left doesn’t support the community, there is no one to do it. Rights are being trampled and the Democratic party is not doing anything to help. |
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Dean’s recent actions are indicative of the way the GLBT community gets treated They get treated the same way the Dem party treats blacks... |
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"They get treated the same way the Dem party treats blacks..."
Can I charge you for my coffee soaked keyboard and nosebleed?
Thanks, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp |
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WaPo (I think it was) reported a few days ago that Karl Rove plans to push back against low approval ratings this summer, in preparation for November, by congressional activity on the anti-gay marriage amendment, and more federal abortion legislation. That is how Rove is going to try to rev up the base.
Never mind that issues like marriage and abortion are properly left to the states. This is the new, big govt GOP that loves encroaching on the power of the states as much as any New Dealer ever did.
Howard Dean’s appearing on the 700 Club and saying what he did is reprehensible, but he is trying to ward off Dem losses that the Rovian plan hopes to effect.
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Never mind that issues like marriage and abortion are properly left to the states. So Mona, the Democratic NATIONAL Committee should not be addressing this one way or the other? |
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McQ: I know many out there think Dr. Dean is the greatest thing since sliced bread. [...] Not only that, there have been a couple of other occurrances that haven’t set well with LGBT community.
LGBT = Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender.
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a Lesbian and a Gay? I suggest we drop the "G" and just use the term "BLT." Now that would be the greatest thing since sliced bread, bacon, lettuce, and tomato[e]. |
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Rovian plan hopes to effect. You forgot the compulsory "Bhwahahahaha" after that statement. Wouldn’t want a visit from the rovian killbots. ;)
By the way, are you the same Mona that Jeff Goldstein mentioned in a post about 2 weeks ago?
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By the way, are you the same Mona that Jeff Goldstein mentioned in a post about 2 weeks ago?
That would be me. Jeff has consigned me to some evil cabal for the sin of having come to be highly critical of George Bush on matters pertaining to national security and foreign policy.
As for this: You forgot the compulsory "Bhwahahahaha" after that statement. Wouldn’t want a visit from the rovian killbots. ;) I really don’t think this is funny. Karl Rove announced the GOP will be pandering to its religious base on gays and abortion this summer. I’d like to know when it happened that marriage law and abortion were deemed federal issues by "conservatives." Perhaps when demonizing gay people emerged as such a useful political tool. What principled people are Rove and the current GOP crop. |
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Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a Lesbian and a Gay? Assuming it wasn’t just a setup for the BLT joke, lesbians and gays really are two distinct communities. If you think for a moment, you’ll come up with a bunch of differences yourself. Or to cheat, see this Sailer compilation of comparisons between gays and lesbians. They’re generalizations, yes, but are generally indicative of the differences between the groups. |
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I’d like to know when it happened that marriage law and abortion were deemed federal issues by "conservatives." Composition fallacy?
Not all conservatives are federalists. In particular, federalism runs pretty shallow for social conservatives who are the ones who care the most about gay marriage.
There’s actually a shload of different factions on the conservative side of the political spectrum, it’s just that they haven’t tended to organize themselves into identifiable interest groups as the members of the liberal side tend to do. The most noticeable exception being the Christian conservatives formally known as the Moral Majority and so on. |
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I really don’t think this is funny. Well, if you coach it like a conspiracy theory then it won’t be taken seriously. What you said sounds like something I could have read off one of the countless kos sites.
We won’t know what "evil Bushco and his rovian minions" does until it is acted upon, MSM notwithstanding. The MSM said s a lot things about the curennt admin’s plans, maybe 10% of them are correct.
However, this postwas about Dean’s fantastic ability to put his whole leg down his throat. Dean, the gift that keeps on giving to the "rethuglicans" (did I get the terminology right, one never knows).Jeff has consigned me to some evil cabal Yes, I suppose. I think his words were intellectual concubine to Greenwald or something like that. But Jeff has a particular way with words. Please forgive my curiousity.
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At the risk of sounding heartless and cynical, just how key is the LGBT constituency? In election calculus, do they bring the Democratic Party more votes than they cost? And, when you come down to it, where else are they going to go? |
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Screw it up? You seriously think this was a mistake, somehow? |
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Christopher Taylor
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Screw it up? You seriously think this was a mistake, somehow? I was actually being facetious, Christopher. |
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And, when you come down to it, where else are they going to go? Log Cabin Republicans? |
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McQ
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I really don’t think this is funny. Well, if you coach it like a conspiracy theory then it won’t be taken seriously. What you said sounds like something I could have read off one of the countless kos sites.
So what does that mean, captain?
First off, there’s nothing conspiratorial about it. Since 2000, every election cycle is fraught with anti-homosexual (or pro-heterosexual,… whatever.) rhetoric. Then after the ballots are cast, nothing is done about it (at least at the federal level).
Where have you been?
We won’t know what "evil Bushco and his rovian minions" does until it is acted upon, MSM notwithstanding. The MSM said s a lot things about the curennt admin’s plans, maybe 10% of them are correct.
What are the odds? I’ll give you ten to one, if you’re interested.I really don’t think this is funny. Karl Rove announced the GOP will be pandering to its religious base on gays and abortion this summer. I’d like to know when it happened that marriage law and abortion were deemed federal issues by "conservatives." Perhaps when demonizing gay people emerged as such a useful political tool. What principled people are Rove and the current GOP crop. Godspeed, Mona. I’ve been beating the same drum around here for a while and I only seem to get grief. Especially from Mr. Perkins.
The GOP apologist’s don’t seem to care if so-called “conservatives” wish to interject, through government, their wishes on the general public when it doesn’t seem to be any of their, the government’s, business. But whatever, right? As long as it is useful to win elections.
And Dean? Well, it seems as though he’s taking a page from the GOP’s political playbook. But it also would seem that he’s had that play for a while. From Andrew Sullivan,Howard Dean earned a very good reputation among gay people when he supported civil unions in Vermont. But those who have dealt with him face-to-face know his aversion to marriage equality for gay people. He outmaneuvered marriage advocates in Vermont skillfully and adeptly. His position is that his party’s interests come first, and so I’m not surprised to see him going on Christianist Pat Robertson’s show and misrepresenting the Democrats’ position. As long as it’s useful to win elections. Right, Mr. Dean? (Pathetic)
We all know that the goal of a chairman is to get his/her party elected. And we all know that pol’s will pander, pander, pander. Just look at McCain’s plan to speak at Liberty (yeah, right) University. Pander, pander, pander. But it’s significantly sickening to see a party spokesman turn around and slap a constituency in the face… no matter how insignificant a constituency.
Sullivan puts it best,For me, the deeper lesson is now and always has been the following: the gay rights movement is a moral movement. It is about education, and persuasion, and moral witnessing to the truth about our lives. We should engage members of both parties as much as we can. But we should never become a wing of one party. It tarnishes the movement and leads to such gut-wrenching betrayals as the Defense of Marriage Act and "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell," the two most significant anti-gay events of the last decade - both signed by a Democratic president. Engage, but don’t trust. And whetever you do, don’t trust Howard Dean. But for me, a happily married heterosexual, it boils down to government intrusion. Onto anyone. My libertarian, and GOP apologist, father recently asked me, “who cares about gay marriage?”
“Well, Dad… I do.”
Though any anti-gay legislation may not affect me the slightest, it matters not because it’s just another useless government intrusion onto the lives of the, arguably insignificant, public. End of story.
And, when you come down to it, where else are they going to go?
Log Cabin Republicans?
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Heh. Talk about insignificant constituency.
Cheers.
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And, when you come down to it, where else are they going to go?
Log Cabin Republicans?
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Heh. Talk about insignificant constituency. Yeah, but you have to admit, it answers the question. And hey, if they all went, not so insignificant, huh?
What, Pogue, no cheap shot about my Dean obsession? ;) |
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What, Pogue, no cheap shot about my Dean obsession? ;) Ya’ see, McQ. I know you all too well, buddy. You probably have a comeback already in the pipe. I’m going to avoid that grief.
Anyway, I’m not the kinda’ guy to attempt to keep you from runnin’ yer traps. ;)
‘sides. I’m in agreement for once.
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Actually I think the centrist Dem position is in favor of Civil Unions. Which, of course are different from Marriages. Because they’re spelt differntly. |
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Pogue Mahone writes: First off, there’s nothing conspiratorial about it. Since 2000, every election cycle is fraught with anti-homosexual (or pro-heterosexual,… whatever.) rhetoric. Then after the ballots are cast, nothing is done about it (at least at the federal level). Exactly.
But, even "conservatives" who want the GOP to pass anti-gay laws aren’t buying it anymore. From the Baltimore Examiner :Karl Rove reportedly has a plan to “stir up” the base to again save the Republicans’ electoral bacon, but conservatives won’t be satisfied this time around with more token efforts on issues like marriage and dire warnings that “the Democrats would be far worse.” Conservatives have heard that song before and know it never has a second verse. |
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At the risk of sounding heartless and cynical, just how key is the LGBT constituency? In election calculus, do they bring the Democratic Party more votes than they cost? Unfortunately, the LGBT constituency is not key in most areas because the group doesn’t vote as a block. Unlike being black, which can be seen simply by looking at me, the gay thing is mostly unseen. So while many gays do vote for Ds, it is not because there is a concerted effort.
If there were a truly concerted effort, these constitutional amendments (such as the one coming on the VA ballot in Nov) wouldn’t pass so easily. |
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Vivian J. Paige
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If there were a truly concerted effort, these constitutional amendments (such as the one coming on the VA ballot in Nov) wouldn’t pass so easily.
Au contraire.
There’s a concerted effort, but gays aren’t spread evenly throughout the country (especially in places like Virginia), and we ARE a minority without a major party backing us.
Imagine if blacks in Alabama had to take on poll taxes and segregation all by themselves without any major party support in the 1960s. You’d have seen "easy passage" of racist constitutional amendments in those states as well. |
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‘sides. I’m in agreement for once. I hate it when that happens. |
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McQ
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just how key is the LGBT constituency? Perhaps as a group they donate more per capita to political groups? From what I’ve seen, LGBT tend to be much more activist and often wealthier than your average Joe/Josephine. |
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