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"Boyfriend" source of DNA in Duke Rape case
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, May 14, 2006

Michael Nifong has won reelection, the DNA has been confirmed, twice, as not originating with the 2 Duke lacrosse players, and now, it appears, the source has been identified as the woman's "boyfriend":
The second round of DNA test results in the Duke University rape investigation show "no conclusive match'' to any lacrosse players, defense attorneys said, but a vaginal swab of the alleged rape victim produced DNA from a "single male source'' — a man not on the lacrosse team who did not attend a March 13 party that was the site of the alleged rape.

Defense attorney Joe Cheshire declined to identify the mystery man or his connection to the alleged victim, but ABC News' Law and Justice Unit has learned that the unnamed source of the DNA is the alleged victim's "boyfriend," according to her mother.
So where are we with all of this? Sitting out here in flyover country, it sure seems to be leading toward a dead-end prosecution given what has been revealed. And it does seem, based on previous statements, that Nifong plans to continue:
Nifong has said recently that he would be undeterred by a lack of conclusive DNA evidence.

Experts say that the absence of conclusive DNA evidence would not necessarily be a fatal blow to the prosecution's case. They cite a figure stating that 75 percent to 80 percent of rape prosecutions do not involve forensic evidence such as DNA.
Yeah, great, but if you think the defense isn't going to use it, well, you're nuts. And again, the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt" and I'm having difficulty understanding how that standard will be achieved by the prosecution in this case. Especially since the DNA in question has been identified as a 'single male source' and the victim's mother has identifed that source as the woman's boyfriend.

The DNA evidence that's available to the prosecution seems tentative at best:
Sources close to the investigation did not claim the material under the plastic fingernail was a conclusive match — only that it would be "helpful'' to the prosecution. The player whose genetic material was found under the fake fingernail is the same player who was identified in a photo lineup by the alleged victim with "90 percent" certainty, sources said.
According to the defense, the material has the characteristics of one or two players, but not definite match. But it seems that much of the case hinges on this evidence, while the DNA from the rape seems relatively conclusive and not helpful to the prosecution. Nifong, however, is close to charging a third player based on the fingernail:
Nifong has said he hopes to charge a third player in the alleged rape. Defense attorneys say they are bracing for another indictment — which could come as early as Monday.

"Monday, the grand jury is going to … consider indicting yet another of these young men,'' Chesire said. "And the travesty of justice, and the ripping apart of a community, and the intentional fractionalization of races will continue."
Given what I've read, I have serious doubts as to the credibility of the alleged victim. Obviously I don't condone rape. But I also don't condone false accusations. I also understand that grand juries hear only one side of the testimony and usually only indict when they feel the evidence is strong enough to convict. However, with what has come out about the DNA evidence, I'm having difficulty seeing how they were able to do so. That leaves me wondering if that DNA evidence was introduced to the grand jury at all. And I further wonder if it will be admitted tomrrow when Nifong again goes to the grand jury for the indictment of the third player.
 
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I was passing through looking frr news and found this. I just wanted to pose the following question: what makes anyone not actually involved with the case have any basis to say anything? Is the writer an attorney - criminal defense attorney, hopefully? I doubt it. DNA is only ONE piece of circumstantial evidence. There could be no DNA found that matches the alleged rapist and a rape could have happened; the time it took, whether 30 minutes or 8 minnutes, is still the time it may have taken, whether we non-felons would have done it that quickly or not . . . Most important are two points: 1) the reports are that the DNA is not "conclusive." Until the actual DNA results are viewed, ths could mean many things and only certainly means that the two samples do not match exactly. That may be the result of testing errors or environmental insults in the sample (taken out of a trashcan with other swabs - no chance of extraneous material getting involved there! - so, what is reported means little as to how much of an identifier the non-match may or may not be and 2) the fact that the victim had DNA of her boyfriend - if she did - on her, means nothing with regard to whether someone else forced her to engage in sexual acts at another location. Cases are what they are, not what we wish they would be or what we imagine the world is supposed to be. WAKE UP AND LEARN ABOUT DNA AND LAW! WAIT FOR THE TRIAL AND THE EVIDENCE! DON"T PAY ATTENTION TO ANYTHING THAT ISN’T ORIGINAL INFORMATION; IN SHORT BE A RESPONSIBLE AMERICAN CITIZEN, NOT A GOSSIPIST!
 
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what makes anyone not actually involved with the case have any basis to say anything?
News reports ... you know, the little blue line thingies you click to read the cited news report?
Cases are what they are, not what we wish they would be or what we imagine the world is supposed to be.
Right ... which is why we use those reports as a basis for our discussion. They give us the news of the case.

Thanks for stopping by. Next time save yourself the embarrassment and consider keeping your thoughts private.

 
Written By: McQ
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Someone with a horse in the race that just came up lame, I guess.
 
Written By: capt joe
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This is the obvious endpoint of racial politics. The public, with support from the "aggrieved" community reelect this clown so that he can continue to persecute some innocent kids. The community is happy because the "rich kids" were brats who had it coming to them. Never mind that the so called victim is a low life drunk with a sordid history.
 
Written By: kyle N
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Cases are what they are, not what we wish they would be or what we imagine the world is supposed to be.
Are they? Isn’t this this whole point of argument? If cases merely "are what they are" then why hire any lawyers at all; why not just give jurors a big box of evidence to examine and let them make a decision?
WAKE UP AND LEARN ABOUT DNA AND LAW! WAIT FOR THE TRIAL AND THE EVIDENCE! DON"T PAY ATTENTION TO ANYTHING THAT ISN’T ORIGINAL INFORMATION; IN SHORT BE A RESPONSIBLE AMERICAN CITIZEN, NOT A GOSSIPIST!
Oh yeah, and yelling at the writer, I doubt, isn’t going to influence him or us to give your commentary any deeper consideration.
 
Written By: Duke Grad
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I’m no expert, but isn’t DNA in this case direct evidence?
 
Written By: asklepios
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This is, seemingly, a political proscecution... Nifong "needed" to get a rape case going, because of the sex, racial composition of the victim and alleged perpetrators and class issues. Rather than adopt a "wait and see" attitude, close to a closely contested elction Nifong "elected" to press forward vigourously irrespective of any actual evidence. Now h’e stuck... IF he says "Oopss my bad", he gets sued by upper-middle class parents for malicious proscecution so the show MUST go on.

He’ll let a jury acquit the team members allowing him, the victim, the victim’s family and the victim’s supporters prate on about the racism of the jury and the race and class characteristics of the perpetrators, rather than having to admit he and they had a weak case or NO case. It’s an easy out for him and them... It’s not HIS or their fault that the case is dismissed. Yeah right...It’s just easier and more expedient that way.
 
Written By: Joe
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Good afternoon,
Just a thought...........these young men and others like them are the future of our nation. As educated, experienced individuals they will serve as the "founding fathers" of the future. How sad that their roles as adults and leaders will be influenced and tainted by having lived through these dark days.
Those who would take advantage of this situation to furthur negative race relations would be wise to be aware of this. Rather than focusing on the moment at hand (and "15 minutes of fame") consideration should be given to the long range outcome(s) of these behaviors. Pendulums have a way of swinging in the opposite direction.
No one can "un-live" an experience, but my hope is that these young men, with support from family, community, teammates, et al, will be able to put things into perspective and then put it behind them.
To the family, community, teammates, et al.......do not lose faith in these young men. Continue to show your love and support to bring them through this emotional tunnel.
 
Written By: a woodward
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...these young men and others like them are the future of our nation. As educated, experienced individuals they will serve as the "founding fathers" of the future.
Not if they’re guilty, they won’t.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
Well Dale we disagree so often...
...these young men and others like them are the future of our nation. As educated, experienced individuals they will serve as the "founding fathers" of the future.
Not if they’re guilty, they won’t.
A better restatement would be, "Not if they’re guilty, and they don’t repent and reform, they won’t." Because even if they’re guilty they can still be the founding fathers, it’s the idea underpinning any religion, except mayhap Scientology, or any addiction treatment program, you CAN get better...
And in fact, they really OUGHT to get better, Ann Coulter-not one of my favourite Conservatives, points out that BOTH sides in this debacle really ought to be censured, even if no laws were broken, SHE for being a stripper and THEY for deciding that the perfect cap-off to a night was a lot of alcohol and hiring two floozies to dance nekkid fer’em...SURE in Libertarian Land and even Joe-Land it’s legal, that don’t make it commendable or something that I’d be proud of any of my offspring doing... "Oh that’s Anita, my oldest, I’m SOOO proud of her, she’s a private dancer/stripper" or "That’s Biff, he’s SUCH a card, just last weekend he downed a pony keg himself and spent $800 on two strippers."
I pray, and I use that word in it’s literal sense, that all 48 parties to this case wake up at its conclusion and realize that "Going thru life fat, drunk and stupid" isn’t much really a life and that they deserve better. If they do, THEN they WILL be the founding fathers of an new generation, mayhap not in any Earth-shattering George Washington way, but in the humble way that they lead the rest of their lives and influence those around them and their own children.
 
Written By: Joe
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The stripper has serious character flaws judging by her criminal pass:

• Stripper made a false claim of rape by three boys in 1996.
• Stripper made a false claim of kidnapping in 1998
• Stripper charged with larceny, auto theft, and trying to kill a police officer in 2002
• 1st round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team.
• 2nd round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team
• DNA proves stripper had sex with boyfriend/pimp which accounts for the “rape kit” evidence of recent sexual activity.
• Innocent boy who picked up finger nail and threw it in the trash left his DNA on the fake press-on nail and will be charged for rape.

The stripper’s account of the night has serious integrity issues:
1) First she claimed 20 boys raped her, then she narrowed it down to 3 in a bathroom

a. The bathroom is absolutely and completely devoid of any evidence of a rape. Where is her DNA? Urine, blood, vaginal fluid, saliva, or tears?
b. Many people’s DNA were found under her nails but none from the innocent lacrosse boys.
c. She lied about losing her fake finger nails in a desperate struggle in the small enclosed bathroom, but pictures show that she removed her nails before inadequately performing her routine. No scratches were found on any of the innocent lacrosse boys’ bodies.
d. The 2 innocent boys she “eeny meeny miney moed” to be her rapists weren’t even at the party the time she claimed the rape occurred. She claims that she’s 100% sure, but she told her father that she’s not sure.
e. She took drugs before coming to the house, something illegal.


The stripper obviously lied, and she’s putting these innocent boys and families through hell. She deserves to be in prison for the rest of her pathetic life. She is worthless as a person and human being. Her one lie destroyed innocent boys. I hope her and Nifong’s aura catches up to them and they both get what they deserve. I hope everyone wishing this rape claim to be true, in spite of all the evidence that it never occurred, gets what’s coming to them.


 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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As this case as evolved, it appears to be one you would find on an episode of Law and Order. It does not take a Duke grad to figure out that Nifong wanted to screw Duke and the players and win an election - facts be damned whether they did it or not. Nifong’s actions to date have been deplorable - putting it politely. He thought he had a slam dunk case - then the truth starts to take hold. He loses nothing by staying the course and he knows it so he will drag this thing into the courts and let the system say - no proof. This will end up as a travesty for the players given their reputations and careers will be damaged beyond repair regardless of the outcome. Their families’ finances will also be hurt - a shame. Nifong will sit back - untouchable - one of the niceties of the legal profession - you can twist the facts or outright lie and nothing can be done to you.
As for Duke U - same on the Administration and the Alumni. With the all their money and legal accumen - they still are sitting back and letting the Dogs of Durham devour the players. Lesson to Duke - the City of Durham has not respect for the University - suggest you start taking some of that $1.5B in spending you generate each year and make sure nothing goes to any company in the area.
 
Written By: bill rocklin
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There are facts and there is speculation. The person who wrote this blog entry is engaged in speculation. The facts support the prosecution:

• The forensic examination of the victim at the hospital revealed injuries consistent with a rape.

• The motive, means and opportunity for the alleged rape are present.

• And now, DNA is linked to the third suspect, who the alleged victim previously identified with 90 percent certainty. Hardly a coincidence.

This case has become an exercise in wish fulfillment for some white people. The wish is that white people never be held responsible for their wrongs against people of color. The attitude hearkens back to Reconstruction. In legal history, the perspective is embodied in the infamous Dred Scott decision (1857), which held black Americans had no rights that white Americans need respect.

DA Nifong had no control over the lacrosse players’ decision to have a party at which they may have raped a woman. To claim that he somehow ’set them up’ is just plain stupidity.


I look forward to the case going to trial. The alleged victim deserves justice just as much as any white person does.
 
Written By: Mac Diva
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The forensic examination of the victim at the hospital revealed injuries consistent with a rape.
That’s correct as far as it goes. What that doesn’t establish, however, is when, where or with whom the rape took place. And with the DNA evidence available, it appears that any sex associated with the rape may have been with a "boyfriend".

As I point out in the article, the standard for conviction is "beyond a resonable doubt" which you seem to have conveniently forgotten. I’m sure the defense won’t.
The motive, means and opportunity for the alleged rape are present.
And that motive was? The means left no DNA. And, as I read it, the opportunity was never there as it appears the testimony of the remaining members of the team will attest.
And now, DNA is linked to the third suspect, who the alleged victim previously identified with 90 percent certainty. Hardly a coincidence.
Trace DNA may not be enough to link anyone while a complete DNA match of her boyfriend may be enough to see the case go to the defense.

Tell me again who’s engaging in speculation?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Has anyone thought that if there were a rapist, they might have worn a condom?
 
Written By: VRB
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The forensic examination of the victim at the hospital revealed injuries consistent with a rape.
MacDiva

Rape exam kit only shows "victim" had recent sexual activity in cases like the accusers. It is not dispositive for rape. Even when a woman comes in hysterical with no semen found and no injuries, medical staff could still say "emotional state consistent with rape". I don’t know what the percentage of "forensic science & rape nurse evals" that call the patient a liar, but I guess it’s pretty small.

If I walk into the hospital with a broken nose and claim I was hit by a big psychotic black man trying to mug me instead of the fact I tripped and fell facefirst into a car, or it was a white guy that punched me, or I started a fight with a black guy and kicked his *ss other than the broken nose, or worse, some female sucker-punched me after I made a blunt proposition and I’m too embarassed to say it was a chick....

Well, no nevermind. The hospital could tell the cops that the symptoms of my nose trauma were "consistent with a large psychotic black man punching the patient in a mugging attempt". It means nothing.

The evidence gathered in a rape test kit can be highly important as well as the "victim" responses in court later to sort out what the truth was, but in no way confirm rape in cases like the Duke stripper.
This case has become an exercise in wish fulfillment for some white people. The wish is that white people never be held responsible for their wrongs against people of color.


That’s called "Projecting" your hate-whitey emotions, or beliefs of eternal racial guilt of one race onto whites. The "wish fulfillment" in the Duke case appears to be the presumption of guilt of all whites by certain Lefties and black race baiters. Though half of black rapists, who rape at a frequency 7X more than Asians and whites, commit interracial rape, our society is careful not to assign group racial identity of all blacks, for collective culpability for the action of black criminals. Certain blacks like yourself should be equally careful of avoiding condemning a whole race, or assuming innocence or guilt based on skin color only.

Your "rally ’round the Sista" sentiment is really no different than the sentiment 85 years ago that "the word of a white woman, even two who are prostitutes with criminal records with dozens of holes in their stories, is automatically more credible than those black Scottsboro boys who raped them."
 
Written By: C. Ford
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MacDiva -
The motive, means and opportunity for the alleged rape are present
Another piece of vapid nonsense. Theoretically, anytime people able to engage in sex are together at a party or on a date, where privacy exists, where at least one person wishes to get laid, The motive, means and opportunity for rape are present

Anyone walking into a bank has motive, means and opportunity to rob it. Motive? More money would be nice. Means? Threatening note slipped to teller. Opportunity? Anytime some thug thinks they can get away with the bucks and stay uncaught.

Somehow, the fact that all of us may be presented by motive, means, and opportunities for rape or bank robbery makes us all rapists or bank robbers.
And now, DNA is linked to the third suspect, who the alleged victim previously identified with 90 percent certainty. Hardly a coincidence.
More vapidity. Restrict lineups to only photos of Duke players. Once you have the stripper finger the 20...no, down to three suspects after 31 hours, backtrack and try to find anything else on the 3 she ID’d, inc. 2 (I have me 100% confidence dat dem is dose) that weren’t even there, it seems. DNA is not linked to the 3rd suspect, it states some DNA "consistent" with one of the guys in the house regularly dumping DNA-containing material in a bathroom trashcan was found on the stripper’s discarded fake fingernail also deposited in the trashcan where it would have been nearly impossible not to be contaminated by DNA. (None of the other plastic claws shows DNA, conducive with the theory of some black activists that she was a "one-fingered scratcher and rapist-fighter)

And photos appear to show she took her "gorilla claws" off before she started her drugged up lackadaisical dance, well before the alleged "rape".
 
Written By: C. Ford
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Mac Diva is the reason OJ Simpson, a double murderer is walking the streets as a free man.

Reading the comments from Mac Diva make me sick to my stomach. It’s almost impossible for me to understand how anybody can be so ignorant to the facts in this case. Clearly in Mac Diva’s case, her hatred for white people is not allowing her to see the obvious facts.

With black people proving over and over and over again that they are incapable of being impartial in cases involving race, I think the fairest thing to white victims is to exclude negroes from the jury pools. It’s the only way to get a fair verdict and guilty murderers like OJ Simpson would be behind bars where he belongs and not out golfing and having the time of his life.

This case....along with the sentiments of people like Mac Diva make me lose all faith in the ability of blacks and whites to live side by side with each other in harmony.
 
Written By: Stanley P
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2StanleyP

this implies that in case of a black victim (lik in the case being discussed) "the fairest thing" would be to exclude white people from jury.
 
Written By: Alex
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did this particular sex worker have any type of pimp or bodygaurd with her at this party?
was the sexual service that she was there to provide provided legally?
i don’t condone it if those drunk spoiled kids hurt that girl.
not at all.
but i think that there are an interesting amount of different lights that can be focused on the emperor’s new clothes aspects of political correctness in this case.
 
Written By: brj
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2Stanley P...Don’t you wish there will be an all white jury,AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN. It’s people like you that makes me sick to the core.YOU STANLEY P, will never change.Your brain is just sick.These boys/men will go to trial and yes, they will be found guilty, and sent to prison where they belong.YOU GOT THAT!!!
 
Written By: justice58
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So far I’d rank Stanly, MacDiva and Justice58 pretty much all equally silly... so Justice58 will they be shot before or after their fair trial?
 
Written By: Joe
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Amazing the number of people who have dogs in this fight eh?

Justice? awwwwwww screw that....we have an agenda!


 
Written By: looker
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Shouldn’t that be "common-law boyfried"? What the [deleted] are you implying with the scare quotes? Keyryst, can you make your bigotry any more blatant?
 
Written By: Kell
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You’ve also done a tidy job of implying that the evidence from the victim’s fingernail also came from her boyfried. Not true. The evidence still points toward one particular team member.
 
Written By: Kell
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To all the idiots that can’t understand my point. If black people can’t remove race from the equation because of their hatred for white people they shouldn’t be allowed to be on the jury. In this case, the facts are so overwhelming supporting the Lacrosse players that only a black racist or a retard would convict them.

We know that MacDiva is a black racist....what is the excuse of the rest of you?
 
Written By: Stanley P
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Regarding the facts around DNA that was found. They found DNA in the bathroom from some of the Lacrosse players. Of course they found DNA, you dolts, anybody that ever used that bathroom to go to the bathroom, wash their hands or brush their teeth would leave DNA there. DUH!

However, NONE of the DNA found on the girl or anywhere supports the fact that she was raped!

Also, please tell me how somebody is going to get raped in a house full of 46 other people? Are you kidding me? And the photos from the party...ALL TIME STAMPED! They have pictures of her leaving the party and she sure as heck doesn’t look like she is fighting for her life to get out of there. Just another lie in her story that is already full of lie after fricken lie.

And lastly. White people almost NEVER rape black women. Less than one percent of all rapes are white on black. As a matter of fact, not only don’t white men rape black women, but you couldn’t pay most white men to even have sex with a black women. The thought is almost nauseating.
 
Written By: Stanley P
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"The evidence still points toward one particular team member."

If that’s even true—I don’t think there’s any actual evidence pointing at anybody—then what excuse does the DA have for charging three people?

Yours, TDP, ml,msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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"The thought is almost nauseating."
I agree the though of raping someone is nauseating, and I hope for your sake that’s all you meant.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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As a matter of fact, not only don’t white men rape black women, but you couldn’t pay most white men to even have sex with a black women. The thought is almost nauseating.
Speak for yourself, Stanley. And when you do, do so privately because we’re not really interested in these type assertions around here.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
McQ,

I am speaking for myself and MOST white males. How often do you see a white guy with a black chick? Almost never.

In my entire life, I’ve only met a handful of white guys that would even consider having sex with a black chick. In general, white guys just aren’t sexually attracted to black women.

Dems jus da facts boyz...deal wit it.
 
Written By: Stanley P
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I am speaking for myself and MOST white males. How often do you see a white guy with a black chick? Almost never.
I live in Atlanta, Stanley, and I can tell you up front from personal observation over many years that your premise is full of crap.

"Dems jus da facts boyz...deal wit it."
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Tom P,

What’s nauseating is the fact that despite the abundance of evidence suggesting the striper is a psyco, crazy, pahtelogical lying whore, these poor innoncent Duke lacrosse players continue to be dragged through the mud.

Aside from the obvious fact that OJ Simpson is a double murderer, I’ve NEVER seen another case with such clear and obvious evidence.

If there is real justice in this country, the DA and the black striper will soon be behind bars and the white lacrosse players will be vindicated.
 
Written By: Stanley P
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Oh, and one other observation: should you ever go to Europe, you’ll most certainly see you’re seriously wrong.

Maybe it’s just the white guys you hang out with.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
McQ,

Look up race and marriage FACTS and tell me what percentage of all marriages in this country are white males and black women. Less than 1 percent!


Dems da facts, dolt.
 
Written By: Stanley P
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2Joe... "Are you kidding me" justice will be done in a court of law. [YOU MUST BE SCARED]WHAT’S UP WITH THAT?
 
Written By: justice58
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Look up race and marriage FACTS and tell me what percentage of all marriages in this country are white males and black women. Less than 1 percent!
That’s not what you said, Stanley, is it? Quit trying to change the subject.
Dems da facts, dolt.
I figured you’d finally end up with name calling.

Fits your persona and intellect quite well.

 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
2Stanley P... Women don’t want you because your dick is too little....Women don’t want to have to pick it out with a toothpick. If you’re not packing,don’t even bother with any woman ,regardless of their race. You’re a hatter of all women because of the fact. BACK AT CHA!!!
 
Written By: justice58
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"I figured you’d finally end up with name calling.

Fits your persona and intellect quite well."

Give the guy a break McQ, he’s willfully got his soul in mortal peril. Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Well McQ I doubt StanleyP would necessarily know who his white friends are dating, after all at the meetings all the white hoods make it hard to tell who’s who, so when you see’em on the street how can you know if he was there the last night?

Justice58 I was merely intrigued by your surety of conviction(s) after all I believe one of the alleged perp’s has time-stamped photo’s showing him NOT AT THE CRIME SCENE when the alleged rape occurred! Given that level of "evidence" I’d be: 1) a little more circumspect in my belief on conviction or 2) "convinced" on the basis of racial/socio-economic issues, irrelevant to legal guilt or innocence, "They’re rich White Boyz, Hang’em!"
 
Written By: Joe
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As a matter of fact, not only don’t white men rape black women, but you couldn’t pay most white men to even have sex with a black women. The thought is almost nauseating.

StanleyP,
Have you thought that this blog may be visited by others that are not white males? Your comments are reminiscent of a KKK phamplet I saw on UT’s campus in 1970, showing a chimp as progeny of a gorilla and black woman.
 
Written By: VRB
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Tom, it’s hard to give such a willful guy a break, ya know?
Talk about making gross generalizations (pun intended).

And VRB - what makes you think a white male wouldn’t be offended - I know I am.
 
Written By: looker
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And, the wish fulfillment fantasies continue. Indeed, racist remarks such as ’gorilla claws,’ claims that black women are never raped by white men and unfounded allegations by the psychotic person who calls himself ’Joe’ that the woman is a prostitute prove my point for me. For most of the people defending the accused rapists, this is all about protecting white privilege and dehumanizing people of color.

Today’s indictiment is very well-founded. David Evans was identified in a line-up with no prompting whatsoever. DNA likely to be his was found under the false fingernail of the alleged victim, not a place that one would find DNA from consensual sexual activity. His ’defense’ statements are pathetic. Lie detector tests are not admissible evidence. Nor would anyone who gave them even nominal credit trust one administered by the defense. If the defense is so concerned about the alleged ’mustache’ comment, why isn’t it offering evidence from the day of the rape, instead of days before and after? Evans also contradicts himself often. He obviously has been Cheshire’s client since at least the initial indictments, but claims not to have been represented by counsel. Silly.

So far, DA Nifong has done a very pragmatic job that has matched what I anticipated. Next, I suspect, the prosecution may do some pubic hair snooping. Even hair without a bulb can be matched by type. The three accused look different enough from each other that an analysis should link that hair to one of them.

I don’t expect much of what is likely phony ’proof’ to be introduced into evidence. For example, the alleged photos of the dancers leaving the party may actually be of them arriving. (The car is said to be the wrong color.) That would be someone purposely altered the time stamps.

The case is shaping up pretty well for trial. The prosecution will have to educate jurors about photo identification procedures and DNA evidence to dispel false claims by the defense. But, I think Nifong is up to the job.

Kudos to commenters who are not snowed by the defense lawyers’ smear campaign. You are smart people.
 
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MacDiva - Indeed, racist remarks such as ’gorilla claws,’ claims that black women are never raped by white men and unfounded allegations by the psychotic person who calls himself ’Joe’ that the woman is a prostitute prove my point for me
"Gorilla claws" originated with black hip hop artists to describe the affectation of big, fat , or "large-framed" black women who think 5-inch long fingernails make them slimmer, vs, looking like a misshappen potato with toothpicks sticking out of it. Unfortunately, big fat white women also seem for favor them as slimming devices. So I suppose it could be the hip-hop, rap artists are racist, or it could be "gorilla claws" are generic.

Truth is that whites, Asians, and hispanics largely rape within their group and stats show them crossing ethnic boundaries to rape is quite rare. But over half the rapes blacks commit are interracial.

As for Joe, he is correct. The accuser admitted in testimony to usually going out on 3 or so "dates" a week out of the escort agency, and most of those "assignments" involved neither strip dancer gigs or stimulating, platonic conversations with black or white clients discussing the evolution of James Joyce’s writing. Ex-con and part-time prostitute appears to be an accurate descriptor. She also indicated to cops that she had been to the substance abuse center she was taken too before - but not if she was treated or took someone else there.
MacDiva - For most of the people defending the accused rapists, this is all about protecting white privilege and dehumanizing people of color.


No, you are just projecting your automatic tribal loyalty that leads to backing of any black person despite the evidence. You ignore that the initial days after this there was massive anger at the players and sympathy for what people assumed was the "victim". All that changed as facts emerged over following weeks, minds were changed on the evidence emerging, but people like you are unable to shake your "hate whitey" blind spot.
MacDiva - Next, I suspect, the prosecution may do some pubic hair snooping
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Can’t you get arrested for that? Whose pubic bush does Nifong want to see?
MacDiva - [David Evans] ’defense’ statements are pathetic.
Funny. I saw two black attorneys, one a prosecutor, say they they had a wait and see attitude, until they saw him and said that kid convinced them he was going to be a rock solid defendent that any defense lawyer would put on the stand all week because his story rings of being true. A white female female prosecutor follwed them and said he appeared "tremendously credible" and wondered why the DA kept apparantly exculpatory facts from the Grand Jury and said that - if it is true - could get a prosecutor censured, even disbarred in her New York.
MacDiva - Kudos to commenters who are not snowed by the defense lawyers’ smear campaign. You are smart people.
I’m afraid in your case, it’s like you and the few remaining true believers congratulating yourself as being as smart as the OJ jurors, who were similarly not snowed by whitey trying to smear a strong black brother’s innocence.

In real life, a few of the blacks in my circles are pretty ticked at the accuser and the race card she and supporters are playing, because they see another Tawana coming. One woman, who has black ancestry, but also white Cuban and says she thinks she is Cuban-American on the rare times it comes up, who is smart and striking, had an interesting spin. She sees sex workers as something that will always be with us, and worries that the accuser may foster a new wave of discrimination against blacks in "adult entertainment". Paraphrasing: If some dance club manager hiring help or customer looking for a stripper show or sex thinks about this...who other than blacks will dare hire black sex workers? If the agency says ’I got 4 possible dancers or escorts, two white, one Asian, one black", who other than another black would ever take the black worker now, knowing this crap could happen??
 
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With the taste of his own foot still lingering in his mouth, District Attorney Mike Nifong has another piece of evidence blow up in his face, I wonder how’s his ulcer is doing?

So would it be his own aura or is it the universe’s way of getting back at Nifong for destroying these young boys lives?

It would be funny if Nifong’s ulcer leads to a colonoscopy, or would it be “ironic” or “poetic justice” that he screws 47 boys over a false rape claim and have to take a 36 inch colonoscopy tube up his @ss for his part in the fiasco he created.

They are innocent! The drunken black stripper with the long criminal record and history of making false accusations...lied.

• Stripper made a false claim of rape by three boys in 1996.
• Stripper made a false claim of kidnapping in 1998
• Stripper charged with larceny, auto theft, and trying to kill a police officer in 2002
• 1st round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team.
• 2nd round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team
• DNA proves stripper had sex with boyfriend/pimp which accounts for the “rape kit” evidence of recent sexual activity.
• Innocent boy who picked up finger nail and threw it in the trash left his DNA on the fake press-on nail and will be charged for rape.

The stripper’s account of the night has serious integrity issues:
1) First she claimed 20 boys raped her, then she narrowed it down to 3 in a bathroom

a. The bathroom is absolutely and completely devoid of any evidence of a rape. Where is her DNA? Urine, blood, vaginal fluid, saliva, or tears?
b. Many people’s DNA were found under her nails but none from the innocent lacrosse boys.
c. She lied about losing her fake finger nails in a desperate struggle in the small enclosed bathroom, but pictures show that she removed her nails before inadequately performing her routine. No scratches were found on any of the innocent lacrosse boys’ bodies.
d. The 2 innocent boys she “eeny meeny miney moed” to be her rapists weren’t even at the party the time she claimed the rape occurred. She claims that she’s 100% sure, but she told her father that she’s not sure.
e. She took drugs before coming to the house, something illegal.


The stripper obviously lied, and she’s putting these innocent boys and families through hell. She deserves to be in prison for the rest of her pathetic life. She is worthless as a person and human being. Her one lie destroyed innocent boys. I hope her and Nifong’s aura catches up to them and they both get what they deserve. I hope everyone wishing this rape claim to be true, in spite of all the evidence that it never occurred, gets what’s coming to them.

Nobody here is prorape, but just because a woman lies about a rape, doesn’t mean she should get away easy. This lying-black-stripper-with-the-criminal-record-and-a-history-of-making-false-accusations continues to put alot of innocent people through hell.

Just because a woman makes a claim of rape, doesn’t mean everyone should rush to believe her. Almost half of all rape claims are false.

I was surprise of how many false rape accusations have been made by several independent surveys reveal that 42% to approximately half of all accusations made are false. Most cases involve divorce battles involving the custody of children, some for revenge for withdraw of affection, monetary gains, an excuse for infidelity, or misidentification.

• According to the FBI, one of every 12 claims of rape filed in the United States are later deemed ’unfounded,’ meaning the case was closed because the alleged victim recanted or because investigators found no evidence of a crime.
• Howard County Police classified one out of every four rape allegations as unfounded in 1990-91.
• The National Association of Schoolmasters/Union of Women Teachers says around 600 teachers a year are falsely accused - a trebling since the 1989 Children’s Act.
• Citing a recent USA Today article, discussing the miracle of DNA and FBI studies of sexual assault suspects, DNA testing exonerated about 30% to 35% of the more than 4,000 sexual assault suspects on whom the FBI had conducted DNA testing over the past three years.
• Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40% of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994).
• 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over 25% of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test or after they had failed it, that no rape occurred.
• 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were inconclusive.
• Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney’s Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about 50% simply did not happen."
• Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape accusations occur with "scary frequency." As a regular commentator on the Bryant trial for Denver’s ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that "any honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most falsely reported crimes." According to Silverman, a Denver sex-assault unit commander estimates that nearly 50% of all reported rape claims are false
 
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I figured this case out weeks ago — before the DNA evidence, not the DNA testing reported last week, but before the DNA report from last month. It is simple. Everybody in Durham knows that somebody alleged a gang rape occurred at the party. All players provided a DNA specimen. The accuser is scraped for DNA evidence; body cavities, clothes, finger nails, the works. The evidence is sent to a lab for testing. The results do not come back for 3 weeks.

Let us not forget that one of the 40 lacross players at the party may have observed or heard "something" even if they were not among the four (3 rapists plus 1 victim)in the bathroom (can 4 people fit in that bathroom?). The house was small and there were people probably everywhere. Maybe the rapists were seen going in or going out of the bathroom with the victim.

What does a rational rapist trio do during those three weeks? Answer: they concoct a story and make sure everyone has the same story. There was sex, multiple partner, rough sex, maybe even purchased sex, but consensual sex. What the three rapist and anyone assisting in the coverup do not do is exactly what they did do — say there was no sex at all. Why? Because the soon-to-be reavealed DNA will bust a hole in the lie and destroy the credibilty of anyone who peddles that story. Only someone who knew that no Duke Lacross DNA would be found on that woman would risk making the statements that they made. These guys are innocent, at least of rape.
 
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According to a 2002 police report, the woman, currently a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University, gave a taxi driver a lap dance at a Durham strip club. Subsequently, according to the report, she stole the man’s car and led deputies on a high-speed chase that ended in Wake County.
Apparently, the deputy thought the chase was over when the woman turned down a dead-end road near Brier Creek, but instead she tried to run over him, according to the police report.
 
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2Betty Friedan... do you know with certainty that a claim in 1996 was false,on the kidnapping in 1998,have you spoken to her ex-husband about it,if not, shut your lying mouth.
 
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MJ Beutler - Agree. As soon as the 47 players knew a rape accusation had been lodged, their photos taken, house searched, and DNA samples taken — certainly some contacted their parents, many whom were lawyers or who knew lawyers...or directly obtained legal counsel after the 1st few days. As soon as they found out what they thought was a preposterous story by a psychotic black stripper was being taken seriously by a DA up for re-election as well as local black tribalists and feminists.

When they did get the lawyers in, they got Standard Legal advice in Rape 101: If you did have sex, admit it, and the legal focus is then on consent. But if you deny any sex happened, you lose the consent defense automatically. And if your semen, other DNA, or other evidence comes in stongly consistent with rape after you have foregone a consent defense, you’re basically a dead duck major felon "rapist" on his way to a long jail stay.

1. Not one of the 47 took the path of a "consent defense" as they waited for DNA samples to come back. If any had done the stripper, or knew of someone that did her willingly or not, you would expect - with near certainty - that several Duke players as paying (dearly paying) clients of trial lawyers would have safeguarded themselves from a guaranteed rape conviction if DNA had come back positive.

2. The reason none did appears obvious. No one raped the stripper. No one at the Duke party had sex with the strippper. No one thought there was even a chance that their DNA got on the stripper in a physical struggle with her, because no struggle ever happened.

3. The two strippers, both with criminal histories and patterns of lying and deceiving others in their past, made formal affidavits declaring one story. 47 players, 3 non-players - all with no criminal histories (citations for drinking, noise, traffic violations do not a criminal make) say another thing. At least 20 have sworn statements saying the 2 strippers locked themselves ALONE in a bathroom for 20 minutes. Guess which affidavits have higher odds of being perjurous!!

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Justice58 - You may be emotionally vested in the idea that black strippers never lie, and everyone not having your unique view should shut their lying mouths, but evidence tends to favor the interpretation that the stripper lied and made false statements in both her 1996 and 1998 complaints.

A. The 1996 complaint involved the same general " 3 guys did a 3-holer on little unwilling me" that was her final story in her Duke rape complaint after she whittled it down from 20 raping her...But in the 1996 complaint, she backed down when asked to provide details. The three men she accused 10 years ago were contacted by reporters last month. None were even aware she had accused them. None had ever had police ask them about it. Sounds like another false report, and thats how the cops filed it.

B. The "kidnapping" allegation in 1998 was also never pursued as it turned out to be all about the rather vigorous domestic dispute that ensued when her husband found out he was cuckholded, she had slept with several sailors, was pregnant by one of them, and the Navy was getting rid of her as unwanted and unfit for the service. The husband, who is not exactly a bright bulb, said he reacted adversely to all that news hitting him at once, and apparantly grabbed her, stuffed her in a car, and drove her to tell her mother how she messed up. Cops wisely did not charge the husband with felony kidnapping her to rat her out to the stripper’s own mother, no beating of the stripper was done by the husband, no charges stuck to him other than the "domestic dispute" record both got from the incident. The husbands behavior, mildly put, appears to be understandable, given the news the stripper hit him with.

C. And even you should admit the stripper caught a huge lucky deal in 2002 avoiding serious jail time for grand theft auto, drunk driving, and trying to kill a police officer with a stolen car. If she had been a man who did it, or a woman who didn’t have two young bastard kids she was "mothering"...the stripper might have still been in jail.

D. Which leads to the likely near-term future. Which is that her parents, friends are going to start doing interviews for pay. And the 2nd stripper, if she can figure out how to do it with her lawyer and PR advisors without implicating herself deeper in perjury and violating probation, knows she could make more money on one interview than sexually servicing several dozen customers. And the stripper accuser herself is likely getting legal advice about possibility of getting a cash windfall from an interview to tell her side of the "immaculate reception" gang-rape if she can avoid perjury or looking at the possibility of getting a payoff from Duke, the players, or Nifong himself to "quietly go away"...
So I don’t see her being able to maintain her accuser anonymity much longer if she or others in her "camp" seek to cash in..
 
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2joe...I see you’re emotionally vested in the lying lacrosse players also,...come on Joe, lets see who has best argument with the jury. I’M STAKING EVERYTHING ON MIKE NIFONG. DON’T HATE ON HIM BECAUSE HE’S GOOD.
 
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I think her anonymity is approaching gone status after her parents (Mary and Travis) talked about her on 48 Hours. According to Pretend Pundit dot com who, judging the likelihood that a couple in NC being named Mary and Travis wouldn’t be too common, followed a trail of public records to determine the accuser’s identity. I’m not going to spread rumours, but you can Do a Google News search on these keywords: Duke Parents Verify.
 
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2Justice58:
I’M STAKING EVERYTHING ON MIKE NIFONG.


I’ll take that bet. What odds will you give me?

-RM
 
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RM- The accuser’s name has been out on the Internet for more than a month and if you want and look for it you can find a scan of the stripper’s HS yearbook pic. No need to bother backtracing her parents.

Why you haven’t noticed her name and face more widely on the ’net is most bloggers and posters are still waiting as long as there is some element of doubt.

I for one want to see what comes out on her medical report toxicology - and statements she made to the "rape nurse" about how she got her injuries, if any of her "rapers" came, and how the "rape" by 20, 3, or 4 happened. I think you have to reach a certain tipping point before the accuser loses her shield generally, and her name is ethically kosher, by present norms, to put out. For Kobe’s Accuser - it was when she showed up for her "rape test kit" with the fresh semen of 3 different men on her and her panties. (But the little nymph did make out somewhat in the Kobe settlement...he apparantly, to make her go away from his life, paid all her expenses, drug rehab care, wardrobes, hotel bills and of course paid her shysters almost a million to cover their fees. If he hadn’t the shysters would have hounded him for years)

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On fingernails - early on in this case I remember that some player commented that the stripper had taken her gorilla claws off, gone into the bathroom with the other stripper for 20 minutes (the same period as when she says the rape happened), and was busy based on the marks found on the porch steps and rails painting her real fingernails and toes with new pink nail polish.

The stripper also had a cell phone in her purse.

Now, maybe she was too drugged or drunk to call 911 after the "20 man, 3-holer gang rape"..but are we to believe that following her "savaging" by evil white jocks, her 1st priority was doing some manicure and nail work???

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I imagine that half the black strippers and pimps want to kill her, because I don’t think business has been the same since she pulled out the rape card..
 
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Noname I think it’s pretty safe to say that the stripper wasn’t raped.
Chuckles Maybe Nifong should lead a massive search throughout the east coast of every fake-mustache store if anyone had a customer wearing a Duke Lacrosse uniform.
Ismone The "rape kit" showed evidence of a recent sexual activity. She had sex with her boyfriend before or after the party, which would explain the "evidence".
Ismone In defense of noname, no one wishes anyone to be raped, but if she lied, she deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on 46 counts for each lacrosse player she lied about.
Ismone “No contrary evidence is presented” This whole case if full of contrary evidence. Why you ignore it is another issue. I suspect the stripper could come right out and say that she made the whole thing up, and you’d stillinsist that she was raped. People like you don’t care about evidence.

A grand jury conviction is not hard to get, all you need is to say I need an indictment.

It is impossible that a crime scene with three drunk men in a small enclosed room with a fighting and clawing woman being orally, virginally, and anally penetrated not leave any DNA evidence of urine, blood, vaginal fluid, seat, fecal matter, scat smears, saliva, tears, or semen... especially if condoms were used. How would they take off the condoms during all this chaos without spilling, smearing, or touching the content inside or outside of the condom?

Ismone You really should think before ranting about things you know nothing about. It makes you look like an idiot.

I’m tired of hearing about "white male privilege. It’s female privilege that allows these boys’ lives to be destroyed with only the word of a drunken stripper with a long criminal history and a pattern of making false accusations.

"I was raped" is just as good proof as "I was robbed." Again Isome, you expose yourself to be an idiot. You can accuse anybody with what ever you want. It doesn’t mean it’s true. One woman claimed that she felt sexually harassed because a man wore a fanny pack to work. The police refused to charge the man, so she proceeded to sue her workplace in civil court… it was thrown out. Saying “someone robbed me”, like any claim, must be proven in court. Just because someone accuses a crime occurred, doesn’t mean it happened – Deal with it Ismone! Just like in the Duke Rape Scandal. She obviously lied.

These boys are innocent! The drunken black stripper with the long criminal record and history of making false accusations...lied.

• Stripper made a false claim of rape by three boys in 1996.
• Stripper made a false claim of kidnapping in 1998
• Stripper charged with larceny, auto theft, and trying to kill a police officer in 2002
• 1st round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team.
• 2nd round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team
• DNA proves stripper had sex with boyfriend/pimp which accounts for the “rape kit” evidence of recent sexual activity.
• Innocent boy who picked up finger nail and threw it in the trash left his DNA on the fake press-on nail and will be charged for rape.

The stripper’s account of the night has serious integrity issues:

First she claimed 20 boys raped her, then she narrowed it down to 3 in a bathroom

a. The bathroom is absolutely and completely devoid of any evidence of a rape. Where is her DNA? Urine, blood, vaginal fluid, saliva, or tears?
b. Many people’s DNA were found under her nails but none from the innocent lacrosse boys.
c. She lied about losing her fake finger nails in a desperate struggle in the small enclosed bathroom, but pictures show that she removed her nails before inadequately performing her routine. No scratches were found on any of the innocent lacrosse boys’ bodies.
d. The 2 innocent boys she “eeny meeny miney moed” to be her rapists weren’t even at the party the time she claimed the rape occurred. She claims that she’s 100% sure, but she told her father that she’s not sure.
e. She took drugs before coming to the house, something illegal.


The stripper obviously lied, and she’s putting these innocent boys and families through hell. She deserves to be in prison for the rest of her pathetic life. She is worthless as a person and human being. Her one lie destroyed innocent boys. I hope her and Nifong’s aura catches up to them and they both get what they deserve. I hope everyone wishing this rape claim to be true, in spite of all the evidence that it never occurred, gets what’s coming to them.

Mac Dive’s weak argument DNA proves a crime couldn’t have occurred the was the lying stripper claimed.

Fact DNA wasn’t found under the fingernail, it was found on the top surface of the nail.

Mac Dive’s weak argument • A forensic examination of the victim found evidence consistent with rape.

Fact All the rape kit showed is that the stripper had recent evidence f sexual 1ntercourse, it can’t tell when or if it was consensual, but now we know through conclusive DNA evidence that she had sex with her boyfriend.

Mac Dive’s weak argument • Motive, means and opportunity for the accused to have raped the alleged victim exist.

Fact This is true only if the stripper was in three places at once, at the house with the first guy, at the bank machine with the second guy, and in the dorm room with the third guy.

Mac Dive’s weak argument • Photo identification of the suspects without prompting.

Fact The photo line up was of only the lacrosse team to guarantee only lacrosse team members were chosen. It seams DA Nifong didn’t believe she would pick only lacrosse players either, so he fixed it so she did.

Mac Dive’s weak argument • Linking to DNA from a suspect previously identified with 90 percent accuracy.

Fact She was 90% sure except for the mustache, the third guy never had a mustache, so it makes it 0% sure.

• A pubic hair was found on the alleged victim that may be found to be consistent with the pubic hair of one of the suspects.

Fact The hair in question is not linked to the lacrosse boys, it could be from her boyfriend or previous clients.

Mac Dive’s weak argument If evidence of either high alcohol content or the date rape drug has been found in toxicology exams that too will favor the prosecution.
Fact The stripper is a drug abuser and alcoholic. How would a drunk stripper having multiple sex that night remember who she consented to sex and if sex ever happen? No date rape drugs were found in the innocent boy’s possession. This lie was made up by desperate feminists and lame women who hope the black stripper was raped. The Stripper has a long history of drug abuse, she probably took the illegal drugs herself.

Mac Dive’s weak argument (Kim Roberts says the lacrosse players plied the alleged victim with drink.)

Fact Kim Roberts initially said that a rape never happened. After getting arrested and threatened with jail, she copped a deal with the prosecution to not have her probation revoked, and said a rape did occur, then she contacted a Public Relations firm telling them :”I don’t want to let this opportunity pass me by” “How can I spin this to my advantage”. The she stated in the press, “Why shouldn’t I profit from this scandal? I have a child at home.” Ms. Roberts, like many who claim this rape occurred, is not a reliable source.

Mac Dive’s weak argument Instead of being misled by babbling about the dancers painting their nails in the bathroom, keep your eye on the actual evidence. That is what will matter in the end.

Fact This is the only thing I agree with Ms. Mac Dive. Practice what you preach. Stop babbling and look at the evidence…
 
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Lawyers are waiting in the shadows for lucrative civil suit

A man stands in the shadows of the Duke Lacrosse ’rape’ case…watching and waiting. While the three wealthy, white male students remains in criminal court, he is not likely to step forward.

Even at this early stage, the stripper’s mother is "very much interested" in "getting Willie E. Gary is a litigator renowned for winning huge settlements.

The stripper’s parents met with Gary in April. The meeting was facilitated by civil rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson.

Gary acts as a family adviser, and the parents are laying groundwork to make a civil bid. Public opinion can be a large bargaining chip in obtaining a lucrative settlement. Earlier, the parents spoke freely; now they’re being more media savvy.

Essence Magazine featured three articles by Kristal Brent Zook. Each is sympathetic to the accuser. (1st) "Family Defends Daughter’s Painful Past", (2nd) "Nowhere to Turn," depicts the accuser as living in terror. (3rd) is basically an announcement of Willie Gary’s appearance in the case; it concludes by stating that the parents "worry that their daughter may…need additional legal guidance."

Civil law deals in torts or harms inflicted by one person upon another; its purposes are compensation for actual or perceived damages.

A "guilty" verdict in criminal court can be used to establish liability in a civil one but if the verdict is "not guilty" or the charges are dropped, a civil case can proceed independently.

Kobe Bryant settled out-of-court settlement. Such settlements are not necessarily admissions of guilt. After months of media blitz, Bryant may have been embarrassed to settle, so civil suits could be lucrative even if the “accuser’s” claim is completely fabricated. The Duke students will face the same choice?

Civil suits can be lucrative, and they’re easier to win; standards of evidence and other legal protections enjoyed by a defendant are significantly lowered in civil court.

Clearly, her parents wish to explore a civil proceeding. Gary is conspicuously available.
 
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CFord. Your analytical mind is a total turn on.
 
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Duke Lacrosse Rape Accuser Mentioned No Condoms Were Used
It seems the defense keeps finding more to support their side of things, with each new piece of information they get. Now from that stack of 1,300 papers, they have discovered that the stripper accuser mentioned no condoms were used. No condoms and…
The stripper’s body was completely void of any sign of a sexual assault (except for signs of recent vaginal and anal from her boyfriend). The alleged crime scene was completely devoid of DNA.

It is impossible that a crime scene with three drunk men in a small enclosed room with a fighting and clawing woman being orally, virginally, and anally penetrated not leave any DNA evidence of urine, blood, vaginal fluid, sweat, fecal matter, scat smears, saliva, tears, or semen... especially if condoms were used. How would they take off the condoms during all this chaos without spilling, smearing, or touching the content inside or outside of the condom?

When investigators questioned the stripper after DNA tests on the semen found inside her vagina and rectum didn’t match any of the Duke players, the stripper admitted to having had sex with at least three men around the time of the alleged rape. The stripper named her boyfriend and two men who drove her to Duke.


When questioned, the “drivers” said they would drop her off at several places, including hotel rooms.

It appears that the stripper has sex with men for rides to her strip shows…Nasty!

 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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The Duke lacrosse girls have worn “innocent” arm bands to show their support for these boys and for hope in a system that is suppose to protect the innocent from malicious prosecution.

These awesome women aren’t only taking a stand for the victims of this rape accusation, but for all real rape victims everywhere. These women should be recognized as future leaders of victims’ rights and advocacy.
 
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DURHAM — A co-dancer in the Duke University lacrosse rape case was scheduled Tuesday to answer to an alleged probation violation in Durham County Superior Court, but nothing happened other than an obscene gesture from the woman toward a television crew.

Kim Roberts, appearing on the court calendar as Kim Roberts Pittman, is accused of violating the probation she received for embezzling just under $25,000 from Qualex, a photo-processing company where she worked in the year 2000.

According to court documents, she allegedly failed to pay financial restitution in the case, missed appointments with her probation officer and left North Carolina without permission to visit California.

A hearing on the alleged probation violation was postponed Tuesday until July 24, but not before Pittman made an obscene gesture toward a WRAL television reporter and photographer and stuck out her tongue at them.

Pittman was performing exotic dances in a house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. in mid-March when another dancer allegedly was raped, sodomized and beaten by three Duke lacrosse players.

The three defendants are Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, Duke sophomores at the time, and David Forker Evans, who graduated from the university this month.

All are free under $400,000 bonds as they await further developments in the case. Nifong however let Ms. Robert-Pittman free without any need for bond. It must have been quite a lap dance. Maybe if the boys were crinminals, Nifong would have let them go free without bond.
 
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Blind to evidence

On Monday, May 15, a Durham County grand jury handed up a third indictment in the nothing-short-of-notorious Duke rape case. This latest indictment charges the lacrosse team’s captain, David Evans, with first-degree rape, first-degree sexual assault, and first-degree kidnapping.

The charges against Evans are identical to those handed up last month against fellow players Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty. Still, this final indictment does come as a bit of surprise. As I detailed in a prior column, the cases against Seligmann and Finnerty appear quite weak. As I’ll discuss in this column, the case against Evans may be even shakier. It’s true that the grand jury did return indictments against Evans, and previously against the other two. It’s also true that the District Attorney, Mike Nifong, is forging ahead — seemingly undeterred.

But Nifong’s judgment has been poor all along- and the old adage that a D.A. can get a grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich" shouldn’t be forgotten. Without defense attorneys there to test the prosecutor’s evidence via the invaluable process of cross-examination, weak evidence can be made to look pretty convincing. It’s not the grand jury’s fault; it’s just the reality that if you only hear one side, you tend to believe it.

At least a ham sandwich has some weight to it. As I’ll explain in this column, the Evans indictment - like the two that preceded it - does not. The very evidence that may have convinced the grand jury - accuser identification and new DNA evidence - is just the kind that will ultimately fall apart when defense attorneys finally do get to cross-examine the witnesses presenting it.

The Mounting Evidence in Favor of Defendants’ Innocence

All three defendants in the Duke lacrosse case have unfailingly and repeatedly proclaimed their innocence - Evans doing so most eloquently, on behalf of all three men, in a brief public comment following his being formally charged.
In fact, in a highly unusual move, newly indicted defendant Evans went to so far as to volunteer to take a lie detector test at the direction of law enforcement. When the D.A. refused, Evans enlisted a top polygrapher to administer the test anyway. He passed.

Thus far, the defense camp has come forward with a host of seemingly reliable, exculpatory evidence -evidence that will be admissible in court, and that is likely to sway a jury. I’m not talking about, maybe, kinda, sorta, or could be, exculpatory evidence either. I’m talking about weighty evidence - receipts, photos, phone records, alibi witnesses, an absence of DNA, and now actual DNA - that directly supports the defendants’ claims of innocence.

A plethora of proof supporting a defendant’s claim of innocence - not just the government’s failure to carry its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt — is a rare pearl in the practice of criminal defense. It should cause the D.A. to reassess his case.

The Problems with the Accuser’s "Identification" of Evans
In my prior columns, I discussed the problems with evidence against Seligmann - who has strong evidence supporting an alibi - and, to a lesser extent, against Finnerty. The evidence against Evans is also weak, maybe even more so.

Evans reportedly was not initially indicted, with the other two, because the accuser couldn’t identify him with certainty (only with "90 percent certainty," in her words) from a photo lineup. Ten percent doubt sounds like a lot like reasonable doubt to me - and perhaps, at least initially, it sounded that way to D.A. Nifong too. And if the accuser herself has reasonable doubt, how can a prosecution go forward?

The accuser’s lack of certainty is even more worrisome in light of the fact that the photo lineup was grossly biased. It included only Duke lacrosse players - meaning that the accuser had no choice but to select a Duke lacrosse player if she were to select anyone at all. And this photo lineup was apparently the sole means of identification for all three defendants.
Finally, and perhaps most disturbingly, the accuser is reported to have said that Evans’s photo "looks just like [one of my assailants] without the mustache." According to Evans’s defense lawyer, Evans has never worn a mustache. And party photos support this contention.

For all these reasons, the accuser’s identification testimony is likely to be destroyed upon cross-examination.

The Problems with the New DNA Evidence

Besides the accuser’s testimony, prosecutors also presented to the grand jury the results of a second round of DNA testing.

Readers may recall that the first round of DNA testing was, if anything, exculpatory: There was no DNA match whatsoever linking any of the forty-six lacrosse players whose DNA was taken, to the accuser.

Following those results, D.A. Nifong reportedly hired a private lab to re-test certain samples. In so doing, the new lab found a possible connection between defendant Evans and the accuser’s discarded fake fingernail, found in the trash bin inside the bathroom.

To begin, it’s awfully odd that the fake fingernail found its way into the trash bin in the first place, if a rape really occurred, and if the fake fingernail broke off during the victim’s struggle, as she claims. No victim would clean up after her accusers; she would flee the scene. And if a culprit had the presence of mind to clean up — realizing that the fake fingernail might be evidence against him — surely he wouldn’t just drop it in the trash can in the very room where the rape occurred, for police to easily find.
Significantly, too, defense attorneys claim the DNA material was found on the front of the nail — not on the underside, where it would logically have lodged had the accuser scratched and clawed at her attackers as she claims.

But even putting these points aside, the DNA connection to Evans is weak. To begin, this isn’t remotely close to the kind of "match" you may be familiar with from CSI - the kind where the odds of a false positive are infinitesimally small. Indeed, "match" here is a misnomer. All that can be said is that the DNA is "consistent" with DNA voluntarily supplied early on by Evans.

Shocking? Hardly. Evans lived in the house, and therefore may have, from time to time, blown his nose, swabbed an ear, or otherwise disposed of DNA-laden waste into that very trashcan.

Moreover, it was reportedly Evans himself who fished the fake nail from the garbage, voluntarily handing it over to police and maybe, just maybe, shedding some skin cells in the process.

As for direct evidence of sex, there is none; none from any of the forty lacrosse players, that is.

While the second round of DNA testing proved that semen was found inside the accusers vaginal cavity, spokespersons close to the defense are confident the source of the semen is the accuser’s own boyfriend.

In sum, after cross-examination, there is little, if any, chance that a jury will give weight to this DNA evidence. It clashes with the accuser’s own story, and it’s as fully consistent with Evans’s innocence as it is with his guilt.
The D.A.’s Unusual Hostility to Even Viewing Defense Evidence
Defense lawyers have repeatedly implored District Attorney Nifong to meet with them and to examine the evidence that favors the defendants. But Nifong has said no - with an attitude that boils down to, "Talk to the hand."
That’s unusual. More often than not, prosecutors are quite open to exchanging - or at least being entertained by - the defense’s evidence. After all, it provides them with a valuable preview of what the defense’s case may ultimately look like in court. Prosecutors are legally required to turn over certain evidence to the defense, but no obligation runs the other way. And since the defense goes second, prosecutors may not be able to effectively counter defense "surprises."

For prosecutors, meeting with the defense is thus typically a win-win situation: If they are convinced to drop the case, then that’s embarrassing - but far less than as a loss at trial would have been. If they aren’t convinced to drop the case, they’ve gotten a precious new edge at trial. And either way, both the reality and appearance of fairness to the defendants are enhanced.
Giving a defendant a lie detector test, in contrast, isn’t a win-win situation: It may hurt prosecutors’ case if the results are released to the public. (Lie detector results are rarely - if ever - admissible in court.) But at the same time, a lie detector test - while risky, and far from perfect - is likely to get prosecutors closer to the truth, which is supposed to be what they are after.

As noted above, in this case, Evans claims Nifong refused to give Evans a lie detector test. (He ultimately took one himself, and passed.) In my professional experience, a prosecutor’s refusing to administer a lie detector test to a defendant is nearly unheard-of. The defendant’s answers - and the lie detector’s response to them - may provide the prosecutor with a road map to what his vulnerabilities on the stand may be.

Just as meeting with the defense previews the defense case for prosecutors, administering a lie detector can preview the defendant’s testimony, as well as his on-the-stand demeanor, showing prosecutors what kind of a witness he will be. (Confident? Nervous? Shifty? Solid?)

I can’t help but believe that, were any of these defendants to assert that they had proof that a crime was indeed committed, this district attorney would be all ears. Suppose, for instance, that Seligmann or Evans were to turn on Finnerty, to try to save themselves - surely Nifong would happily hear them out. So how can the prosecutor justify, then, turning a blind eye to evidence of any of the accused’s innocence?
 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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Betty.... It’s because...THEY’RE NOT INNOCENCE, DO YOU GET IT, BETTY, THEY’RE NOT INNOCENCE.(SOME PEOPLE WILL NEVER LEARN) GO GET YOURSELF A LIFE AND MAKE SURE YOU FIND YOURSELF SOME COMMON SENSE...YOU HEAR!!!
 
Written By: justice58
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Yes, I totally agree with all fair minded people that the evidence prooves that these boys are completely innocent of the stripper with the long criminal history and pattern of making false accusations.

May justice find its way at Duke for these innocent boys.
 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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.You must have forgotten or you’re ignoring the fact that these lying men told the dancers that the party was for about 5 guys, that it was for the track team and other lies untold. BETTY FRIEDAN... THE DUKE INDICTED ARE LIARS AND THEY ARE STILL TELLING BALD FACED LIES TO THIS DAY. BUT!!!!! THEIR DAY COMETH!!!!!!!!!!!!. I HOPE WITH ALL MY BEING THAT YOU HANG YOUR RACIST HEAD IN SHAME....Oops.... YOU HAVE NO HEART OR SOUL AND IS INCAPABLE OF FEELING ANYTHING....YOU SICK MORAN.
 
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A Special Prosecutor In The Duke Rape Case?
Susan Estrich wants DA Mike Nifong to appoint a Special Prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse rape case. Ms. Estrich believes that Mike Nifong, is outmatched for Bob Bennett hired by the Duke team parents, and wants NC’s attorney general to hire Bennett’s equal to represent the state?
Why not hire Bennett’s equal to represent the state? Bringing in the top guns for a complicated case would be one thing, but bringing in the high-priced talent in order to attempt the transformation of a pig’s ear into a silk purse would be a waste of the taxpayer’s money.
Nifong claimed that a date rape drug was used but a discovery motion filed by the defense learned that there wasn’t any toxicology done. The question of a “line-up” that guaranteed a Duke lacrosse team member would be chosen. The absolute refusal of Nifong looking at exculpatory evidence of any kind, and he continues to ignore evidence that the crime never occurred.

There is no way three drunken men, inside an enclosed bathroom with a woman violently clawing and fighting would leave absolutely no DNA behind at the alleged crime scene. Where’s her tears, sweat, saliva, and other bodily fluids? If condoms were used, were are the condoms, wrappers, boxes or evidence of lubricant on or in the alleged victim? The scene described by the alleged victim is one of violence and chaos, yet even in the most calm and best of situation, anyone who has ever had sex with a condom knows that there is no way to remove a condom without touching DNA evidence from either yourself or partner.

Ms. Estrich states: "The price to date has been paid by the accuser, who has been called every name in the book".

Really? Some think that the defendants have paid a higher price. These boys had their names, photos, addresses, personal information attached to “gang rape” in the national media and internet, they had “wanted posters” posted all over their school and community, daily protests by many sexist and racist political groups identifying these boys and calling them gang rapists, Meanwhile, no mainstream media outlet that has published the accuser’s name, let alone called her a liar.

Ms. Estrich’s second point, “that the treatment of the accuser may chill other women from coming forward”

This depends on whether you think public opinion has turned because of brilliant defense maneuvering, or because of an embarrassingly weak case where evidence points to the accuser making false claim, and a DA who has a political agenda.

Ms. Estrich: “Let Nifong pick the prosecutor; if his handpicked choice believes there is no case, …then so be it.”
My guess is that Nifong will have no interest in appointing a special prosecutor prior to his election in November - in terms of Nifong’s job preservation, which seems to be his motivation here. Having a special prosecutor dismiss this over the summer will be even more politically embarrassing than having Nifong take responsibility for his own behavior.
Frankly, as best I extrapolate Ms. Estrich’s view, if the Duke Stripper replaces Tawana Brawley as the shorthand for false accuser, that will chill real rape victims who will fear that they will not be taken seriously. The only non-chilling outcome would be prosecutions and convictions, and that is not going to happen based on the evidence we’ve seen.
 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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Police investigating the Duke University lacrosse team on rape allegations "omitted" notes from a second dancer at the party, who told authorities the alleged victim had been drinking, was acting "crazy" and that her colleague’s accusation was a "crock," a defense attorney said Thursday. In court documents filed Thursday, attorney Kirk Osborn said that Durham, North Carolina, police "intentionally, deliberately and/or recklessly omitted" information from a probable cause affidavit — information Osborn says would have persuaded the judge not to file felony charges against three of the players. The district attorney’s office did not return a call seeking comment.

http://lawdogbehindthebadge.blogspot.com/2006/06/latest-on-duke-rape-case.html

http://johninnorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2006/06/duke-lacrosse-how-da-and-some-police.html

http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2006/06/more-on-duke-rape-case-second-dancer.html


Another police note obtained by the defense says the alleged victim acknowledged having two beers before arriving at the party and that she and Pittman both had a rum and coke after their arrival.

The accuser also told police that she used a vibrating sex toy during a dance in a hotel room for a male and female, but she told police that she had not had sex in the week before the party, the note says.

However, a male friend of the accuser said that he had sex with her that week and that he drove her to three other sexual encounters, according to the friend’s statement.

Osborn also claims in the court documents that the nurse who examined the alleged victim was in training and not yet certified.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/08/duke.lacrosse/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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[quote]YOU SICK MORAN[/quote]

way to make your statement drive home...:-) all caps and bad spelling. Preach on sister.
 
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Just when you think this case couldn’t get any weaker, more information comes to light showing the complete incompetence of district attorney Mike Nifong.

The only thing left to make this case even weaker would be the accuser herself finally coming forward to admit that she lied about the whole thing, which would make it even harder for district attorney to win the case, but Mike Nifong would probably ignore that piece of evidence as well in his quest to maliciously prosecute these young men.
 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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Listen to me…. you have to hear both sides of the case and not just the defense’s spin. We have NOT heard Mike Nifong’s evidence therefore, it is stupid to form an opinion without it. Only vile ignorant people with no CARE for the real truth will accept this kind of dirty, vile tactics from the defense. We have a legal system here in America and it is not one-sided. The OLD SOUTH’S way of justice is over. It seems to me that YOU people want (you know who you are) this case to disappear because it’s a poor black woman and rich wealthly white guys, so you have chosen to only hear their side and DAMN to the rest of the story..The attorney’s want you to believe that it’s not about race and that’s a bald faced LIE. This is one of the reasons that RACE RELATIONS is so terrible here in this country. Don’t even try to tell me otherwise, remember I live here. Mike Nifong is fighting for justice and I give him praise for it. I’m for justice done the right way and not some high priced, vile, dirty, disrespectful tactics of low-down defense lawyers.

 
Written By: justice58
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McQ,get over yourself. This condescending, childish, annoying white ego of yours is out of this world insane.

I mean who told you white men are gods green earth to black woman? What makes you think black woman want white men? I know you didn’t say it you implied it, Mcq. Above all, when did you speak
and know all thoughts of every white man in america? You sound like a crazy nutball.

How many black girls do you know and hang out with? None. enough said. I’m sure you’ve seen black girls in videos but that’s about it. " You
don’t think black girls are hot" Fine, what does that have to do with the rape in general?

Only 30 million blacks live in america
,right? with most black men in jail for drug charges,right? Blacks only make up a small percentage of this country sherlock. Not to mention a very segregated counrty.
So what freaking statistics do you have? You sound like a close minded rascist. I don’t apologize for saying this either.


Let me give you some facts its only been 140 yrs since slavery out of the 30 million blacks most of us have as a people white DNA in us. Due to whites raping our ancestors Rape doesn’t always have to do with a person being like so hot its about power and dehumanzing a person. You wouldn’t Know anything about that would you.Btw how old are ?

fact,duke university had a problem with white guys groping black femlaes on their campus. somthing that the media doesn’t talk much about...hmmmm.

Fact, its rumorod this girl had the date rape drug in her system. White guys are known to use "GHB". ENOUGH SAID.

This victim is going to be on oprahs couch after her victory. Deal with it.
 
Written By: River
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Ever since every sexist and racist group descended onto Duke to publicly condemn these boys, I went into over drive trying to make people consider that these boys wouldn’t have submitted to DNA testing if they were guilty, but since the 1st DNA evidence came back, I became more persistent and met equally persistent feminist (i.e. feministing, Rachael’s Tavern, Alas a blog, Tennessee Guerrilla Women, Justice4Sisters, Hazel8500 etc...) who adamantly insist these boys are guilty for no other reason than because a "woman" (i.e. the stripper) claims it so.

I’ve noticed since then that most of feminist blogs have fallen silent as new evidence suggests that the stripper’s claim to be false.

However, just when you think this case hit rock bottom, there’s about 50 feet of crap, then you find a sub-basement where in the corner Mike Nifong is hunched over clutching this dead case like “Gulum” (movie: Lord of the Rings) clutches the “ring of power”.

A great place to view that unbiased facts is:

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/ourcall/index.cgi?501
http://johninnorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2006/06/duke-lacrosse-newsweek-abandons.html
http://commonsensewonder.com/?p=738

I love this quote:

“If Mike Nifong doesn’t get disbarred after this, then there really is a corrupt system in Durham that protects rich white guys. In Nifong’s case - stupid rich white guys with transparent political agendas, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Nifong can turn a pig’s ear into a silk purse.”

BTW: The the rumor of a "date rape drug" being used was created by DA Mike Nifong, who knew before anyone else that no toxicity screen was done. Nifong just made up the lie because he doesn’t have any facts that support the stripper was telling the truth.
 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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Betty, new evidence from the wannabe star power defense doesn’t mean crap yet. This hasn’t even gone to trial, yet, you seem to think this is an open shut case.

"BTW: The the rumor of a "date rape drug" being used was created by DA Mike Nifong, who knew before anyone else that no toxicity screen was done. Nifong just made up the lie because he doesn’t have any facts that support the stripper was telling the truth."


Why would a veteran prosecutor makeup such lies? This isn’t the duke defense team, please don’t forget it.

"Ever since every sexist and racist group descended onto Duke to publicly condemn these boys"

What sexist and racist group are you talking about? Let me guess the Duke lacrosse team, right?

"However, just when you think this case hit rock bottom, there’s about 50 feet of crap, then you find a sub-basement where in the corner Mike Nifong is hunched over clutching this dead case like “Gulum” (movie: Lord of the Rings) clutches the “ring of power”.


Who said this case was dead? The media. Betty, you try a case in trial not in the media.

"I’ve noticed since then that most of feminist blogs have fallen silent as new evidence suggests that the stripper’s claim to be false."

The DA Mike Nifong hasn’t been saying much of anything that’s why they’re silent. He hasn’t been saying much of anything, because he doesn’t have to, He got the three players he wanted to try in court enough was said.
 
Written By: River
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"Listen to me…. you have to hear both sides of the case and not just the defense’s spin. We have NOT heard Mike Nifong’s evidence therefore, it is stupid to form an opinion without it. Only vile ignorant people with no CARE for the real truth will accept this kind of dirty, vile tactics from the defense. We have a legal system here in America and it is not one-sided. The OLD SOUTH’S way of justice is over. It seems to me that YOU people want (you know who you are) this case to disappear because it’s a poor black woman and rich wealthly white guys, so you have chosen to only hear their side and DAMN to the rest of the story..The attorney’s want you to believe that it’s not about race and that’s a bald faced LIE. This is one of the reasons that RACE RELATIONS is so terrible here in this country. Don’t even try to tell me otherwise, remember I live here. Mike Nifong is fighting for justice and I give him praise for it. I’m for justice done the right way and not some high priced, vile, dirty, disrespectful tactics of low-down defense lawyers."

^^^^^
well said, justice58.

Betty read this and try to comprehend it, please. This whole case is so vain it’s sickening.

"There is only one race and that’s the human race."
 
Written By: River
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River says Betty, new evidence from the wannabe star power defense doesn’t mean crap yet. This hasn’t even gone to trial, yet, you seem to think this is an open shut case.

This isn’t a complicated case. All the evidence has been turned over to the defense and the prosecution has nothing.

River says Why would a veteran prosecutor makeup such lies? This isn’t the duke defense team, please don’t forget it.

He’s desperate and has resorted to lies as a last resort. If Nifong had the integrity of any one of the lawyers on the defense team, it would be the stripper charged with making a false claim of rape.

River says What sexist and racist group are you talking about? Let me guess the Duke lacrosse team, right?

Maybe you should read a paper once in a while. This question proves that you have no clue. Please talk about things you know because you sound like an idiot.

River says Who said this case was dead? The media. Betty, you try a case in trial not in the media.

Please read carefully. I didn’t say it was dead, and it was Nifong started the media trial, but he went running away with his tail between his legs once the evidence revealed that the stripper lied. First he spoke without knowing all the facts, then he lies to weasel his way out of it, now he’s hiding in a corner regretting ever trusting a lying black stripper with a long criminal record and pattern of making false claims.

River says The DA Mike Nifong hasn’t been saying much of anything that’s why they’re silent. He hasn’t been saying much of anything, because he doesn’t have to, He got the three players he wanted to try in court enough was said.

Sure he wants to try them in court. Sure! What a joke. It was Nifong who started this media trial, he’s not saying anything because the evidence reveals that the stripper lied and he aided and abetting in the lies. Before the end comes, he will be disbarred, the stripper will be in prison, and the city of Durham will pay a hefty civil settlement for each lacrosse player Nifong maliciously prosecuted.

Well if it isn’t the Hellen Keller of the blog world, Justice58. I knew as soon as I started reading the mangled rants of “River” that you’d be close by. Well “birds of a feather…” I’m glad you finally found a friend as deaf and blind to evidence and common sense ass you are.

 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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That anger is unbecoming to you!! You don’t bother me at all. I can’t be played like you. You have shown to me that YOU can be played by the defense at any time. Answer this question, Betty Friedan, if you will?? Why won’t the defense release all 1300 pages to the public so we can see for ourselves?? (when hell freezes over) They are picking out specific parts and filing motions so that it becomes public information and therefore, trying to poison the jury pool all at the same time. YOU need to read the "amsterdam news". I’m not backing down on where I stand on this case!!! This is NOT one-sided justice here. Mike Nifong is FIRMLY COMMITTED to this case and the VICTIM is STILL going forward and intends to testify in court and WILL stand and POINT OUT her attackers and say "THESE ARE THE MEN THAT RAPED ME".
 
Written By: justice58
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" Maybe you should read a paper once in a while. This question proves that you have no clue. Please talk about things you know because you sound like an idiot. "

Did you just personally attack me? I have yet to attack you, Betty, so don’t call me names. You’re the one looking like an Idiot because only an Idiot would judge something like this before it goes to the courts, pal.

Please read carefully. I didn’t say it was dead, and it was Nifong started the media trial, but he went running away with his tail between his legs once the evidence revealed that the stripper lied. First he spoke without knowing all the facts, then he lies to weasel his way out of it, now he’s hiding in a corner regretting ever trusting a lying black stripper with a long criminal record and pattern of making false claims.

I understood what you wrote the first darn time it’s you who can’t comprehend
certain things. again, Mike Nifgong has nothing to gain supporting someone who
lies. Use common sense before you go on your rant. He’s not stupid. He knows what hes doing so let him do his job,and show some respect.

If she’s a lying black stripper. The whole Duke team are a bunch of white, classless, priviled, racist, sexiest, disrepectful, lying, ugly, clan memebers
If i’ve ever seen one.

" Sure he wants to try them in court. Sure! What a joke. It was Nifong who started this media trial, he’s not saying anything because the evidence reveals that the stripper lied and he aided and abetting in the lies. Before the end comes, he will be disbarred, the stripper will be in prison, and the city of Durham will pay a hefty civil settlement for each lacrosse player Nifong maliciously prosecuted."

Sure good luck with that one, Betty. I’ve got some breaking news for you, put glasses on, your gonna love this one. It’s not going to happen. Get a clue, Betty.


" Well if it isn’t the Hellen Keller of the blog world, Justice58. I knew as soon as I started reading the mangled rants of “River” that you’d be close by. Well “birds of a feather…” I’m glad you finally found a friend as deaf and blind to evidence and common sense ass you are."

Their only mangled because you choose to see them that why. just like you choose to see alot of other crap.Put your glasses on maybe you’ll be able to see alittle better.

I’ve said my peace amen,so please don’t respond to me. You’re boring. I’d like Mq to respond though.



 
Written By: River
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"That anger is unbecoming to you!! You don’t bother me at all. I can’t be played like you. You have shown to me that YOU can be played by the defense at any time. Answer this question, Betty Friedan, if you will?? Why won’t the defense release all 1300 pages to the public so we can see for ourselves?? (when hell freezes over) They are picking out specific parts and filing motions so that it becomes public information and therefore, trying to poison the jury pool all at the same time. YOU need to read the "amsterdam news". I’m not backing down on where I stand on this case!!! This is NOT one-sided justice here. Mike Nifong is FIRMLY COMMITTED to this case and the VICTIM is STILL going forward and intends to testify in court and WILL stand and POINT OUT her attackers and say "THESE ARE THE MEN THAT RAPED ME"."

^^^^^^^^^^
Read this with your glasses onto, Betty.


" The media can only brainwash stupid people"
 
Written By: River
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"That anger is unbecoming to you!! You don’t bother me at all. I can’t be played like you. You have shown to me that YOU can be played by the defense at any time. Answer this question, Betty Friedan, if you will?? Why won’t the defense release all 1300 pages to the public so we can see for ourselves?? (when hell freezes over) They are picking out specific parts and filing motions so that it becomes public information and therefore, trying to poison the jury pool all at the same time. YOU need to read the "amsterdam news". I’m not backing down on where I stand on this case!!! This is NOT one-sided justice here. Mike Nifong is FIRMLY COMMITTED to this case and the VICTIM is STILL going forward and intends to testify in court and WILL stand and POINT OUT her attackers and say "THESE ARE THE MEN THAT RAPED ME"."

^^^^^^^^^^
Read this with your glasses on too, Betty.

" The media can only brainwash stupid people"

Keep letting them feed that brain of yours. Way to go.
 
Written By: River
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AMEN RIVER... and also... GOD BLESS MIKE NIFONG
 
Written By: justice58
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Wow! it’s incredible that "River" and Justice58" has the same style of writing and spelling errors.

Sports Illustrated research department believes the stripper lied
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/06/22/duke0626/index.html
Newsweek Magazine reviewed the pages of evidence and determined the stripper lied.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13392547/site/newsweek/
Local newspapers believe that the stripper lied.
http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-746681.html

I guess no one except justice58/river are completely deaf, dumb, blind, and lacking in common sense.

Oh and “River” just in case you have to ask again. Yes I did insult you. The problem with insulting “slow” people is that most of the time they don’t notice.
 
Written By: Betty Friedan
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"I guess no one except justice58/river are completely deaf, dumb, blind, and lacking in common sense."

"Oh and “River” just in case you have to ask again. Yes I did insult you. The problem with insulting “slow” people is that most of the time they don’t notice."


looks like one of the Duke Lacrosse players mothers got a hold of the internet and this blog. Betty, you’re obsessive , annoying, psychotic, granny c_ _ _ " lets play fill in the blanks". Seek help.

I’m not going to defend myself to you because clearly it isn’t worth my time. It’s an ever losing battle with you. I already told you I was though with you, I told you not to respond. So who’s the "slow" one again..? The wicked temptation to place your fat fingers back on the key board was too strong.

Look, find something better to do with your time other than reporting trash everyone hasn’t already heard. Get a clue nutball. You’re just like "Ann coulter
" you don’t know when to stop.

Sports Illustrated also said LAX players where caught stealing their classmates credit cards for their own benefit such as buying lunch etc...

That tells me alot about how they work and more about their character. It’s really a shame. They’re deceptive and they work in groups, and when they’re together they show destructive behavior. This to me makes them
capable of anything. stealing is a grateway to other sins.

Pride comes before the fall. What kind of people are these? Those pasty LAX players will have a day in court. Fall back.
 
Written By: River
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*Through*
 
Written By: River
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Tick tock Tick tock...I’m waiting for bigot Betty to reply. Betty,people like you are the reason AFFIRMATIVE ACTION must be in place You are an idiot and a racist.

You just don’t like black people, so stop making excuses and have the bollucks to admit it! I know your type so well! we’ve been here for almost 400 hundred years, since 1620,we are just as American as YOU.

As far as white privilege , what did Bush use to get into Yale Law School? His family name. The man didn’t even have a GPA higher than a 2.5! We still have that tradition of rich white boys getting into colleges due to money or family name. I guess it’s ’who you know’ rather than ’what you can accomplish’. So face the facts your defending your race.

A: Because they’re white, and white is right.
B: because she is black, and everything black is wrong.
C: Because you’re a racist.

You have this supremacist attitudes towards minorities.It’s NOT reverse racism(if there is such a thing). There wouldn’t be affirmative action if we didn’t have bigots blocking the glass ceiling. There are still many parts of the United States especially in the South that have problems with racism.

What is there to worry about anyway? Most professional jobs are still held by white men. White men still have the upper hand in society. Why are you threatened? We don’t have to worry about the "KKK" or skin heads. Its the high power ’good ole boys’ and the bank lenders who give blacks mortages.I already knew this. As a black woman I would never walk into a room full of 40 drunkin white men.

Black woman just don’t lie about this kind of stuff its not in our nature. Why hasn’t anyone said anything about the St. John lacrosse rape case? That’s what I want to know.

Everything happend that night except the rape. Do you expect logical thinking
people to believe that crap?
 
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Go River....Go River....Go River

SI said the lacrosse players were arrogant and felt they were entitled. They had 21 arrests within a short period of time. SI really slammed the lacrosse players, but people like BF refuse to hear those kind of reports. Some have called the report and all and out lie. You see River, they only believe the selective negative reports that the defense is reporting. These kind of people don’t really want the truth about what happened that night. Their attitude is...if she is black, she is lying. You know River...they are scared to death of this going to trial. They want to slap this case down before it hits the courtroom floor, but not this time.
 
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I attacked Mcq for nothing. I think, I need to put my glasses on. I really ment to address, stanley p. I really could care less now. hE’S WORSE then bigot betty. He can’t argue facts instead he race baits and attacks people of color. He must be one of the players on the Duke team. I’m just guessing.

I just embarrassed myself. I apologize for attacking you, Mcq. No wonder I didn’t get a reply. When you’re pissed I guess you don’t notice things that much, plus you did side with the defense. I couldn’t really comb though anymore of that trash.

I hope every one had a good fourth of july.
 
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http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/459589.html

Colin found Convicted In Assault Case. guilty as charged.

He raped that poor girl.
 
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