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Three Cheers for Iraq’s new government
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, May 20, 2006

Yes folks, it is finally here, not that many have paid too much attention to it:
Iraq's parliament approved a national unity government Saturday, achieving a goal Washington hopes will reduce violence so U.S. forces can eventually go home.
Not the two key points in that sentence. Reduce [sectarian] violence and take over the security task so "U.S. forces can eventually go home."

Sounds like a winner to me.
In his first address, al-Maliki told parliament he would make restoring stability and security the top priority of his new administration. He said he would "work fast" to improve and coordinate Iraqi security forces so they can reduce attacks by insurgent groups and militias.

Al-Maliki also said he would set "an objective timetable to transfer the full security mission to Iraqi forces, ending the mission of the multinational forces."

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said the new government moves Iraq closer to providing for its own defense, but he avoided any specific deadline for a major withdrawal of American forces.

"Although there may be tactical increases here and there, strategically we're going to be moving in the direction of downsizing our forces," Khalilzad told reporters after the ceremony, while cautioning that changes in force levels are "always dependent on the conditions."
Any guess as to whether pressure will come from certain quarters to see that "ending the mission of multinational forces" happens before, oh, I don't know, November '08?
 
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Just in the interest of brevity.:
Changes nothing.. lies...No WMD’s...war for oil... Haliburton...Abu Ghraib...Broken Army...IMMEDIATE deployment... Quagmire.
I’m sure I missed a few things, someone help me out.
 
Written By: Joe
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Oh yeah, for MK...
simply leads to Iranian domination of Iraq. Hope you’re laughing NOW, Neo-con scum!
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe, you forgot:
... imminent civil war ... imminent ... pleasepleaseplease ... soon .... aaaany day now ...
 
Written By: Achillea
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Sounds like a winner to me.
Your blind faith is admirable.

Of course you fail to mention the exceptions that swallow the rule. Not only are the interior and defense cabinet posts not filled, but there seems to be nothing in the works to set up a comittee to amend the constitution, i.e., the concession to the Sunnis on which the deal was struck back in October of 2005. Depending on your interpretation, it was supposed to have been set up already.

Indeed, the former interior minister, who was not allowed - for the moment - to stay on the job due to his ties to militias, is now the finance minister.

Meanwhile, we are still fighting for Ramadi and the sectarian violence and displacement are worse than ever.

But this just could be the turning point, McQ.





 
Written By: mkultra
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MK, you bring up good points about very real obstacles that remain. And they are, indeed, very worrisome.

But speaking of turning points, it seems to me as if both sides are promising that another one is just around the corner. When does this all fall apart? At every significan sign of progress, you and others have shown up to inform us of the setbacks along the way and the roadblocks remaining.

Well, you’re right. They exist. And they very well may derail the whole thing. But you’ve been saying that for years now. At elections, the formation of a government, the ratification of the constitution, etc, you show up to tell us why it’s all gone to hell. And yet, a few months later, Iraq manages to get past the apparent problem.

So, when does it happen? When does the internal strife become a political tipping point? When do the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds cease to negotiate? When does this actually fall apart? Because, for a country that’s been falling apart for years now, they certainly seem to be making progress towards a democratic government.

Maybe they’ll turn one corner or another sometime soon, but it seems to me that everybody who’s been pointing to an imminent corner has been wrong so far.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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How much worse does it have to be before we change strategies? No one can say things are better for the average Iraqi today (the ones we liberated, remember?).
So when do we change, before we embarrass ourselves or after?
 
Written By: Dale
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No one can say things are better for the average Iraqi today (the ones we liberated, remember?).
No one.
In Iraq, 65% believe their personal life is getting better, and 56% are upbeat about the country’s economy.
No one at all.
When asked in January, 64 percent of Iraqis felt that Iraq was headed in the right direction, with only 36 percent saying Iraq was headed in the wrong direction, interestingly the reverse percentages of Americans’ views.
I mean, absolutely nobody would say that.
The media pollsters began their survey by asking, “Overall, how would you say things are going in your life these days — very good, quite good, quite bad or very bad?”

Seventy-one percent of those polled say very good or quite good — up from 55 percent in a poll taken in June 2004. Twenty-nine percent say their lives are quite bad or very bad — down from 45 percent in 2004.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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So, when does it happen?
When someone LIKES is in office, Jon. Then things will be swinmming in Iraq! Until, then QUAGMIRE.

When do things get better in the US? Or when do things get better in my life? Well, life, history, Recovery are processes, not destinations. I think both sides want or need an Iraqi DESTINATION, "Here, here things are grand/dismal, NOW the US can come home." The reality is that it’s a process, there will NEVER be A moment when things get better. Twenty years from now historians will be able to say, "If I had to pick A moment it was when....that the tide turned or the Civil War began." Until then it’s a process, unfolding...just as that putative Iraqi historian could tell you in retrospect WHEN things turned in Iraq s/he will be unable to tell you HOW Iraq will look in the NEXT 20 years, because that process is STILL unfolding around him/her.

To date, MK the process seems to be going well. Saddam is gone, the economy is recovering, people have hope and believe that the future is brighter. Like anything in transition from one state to another "locked-in stresses" are being released. The Sunni’s have run Iraq as their fiefdom for centuries, the process of adjustment is not going to be quick or easy. Along the way the process MAY be derailed by Civil War or coup, we don’t know. Just as I can’t know that I will not be hit by a bus on my way to Mass this morning. I can say is that it is better to attempt to go to Mass, than to huddle at home in fear of what MIGHT be.

This seems the the best process available to Iraq. I have really yet heard you proffer a BETTER process, one that removed Saddam and transitioned Iraq to a multi-ethnic democratic state. Or would you prefer that Saddam, Uday and Qusai still be in power, it was stable, it was predictable... all things that Progressives LIKE these days. It seems that your ilk are truly becoming the Conservatives, change is bad, it is unpredictable, it has risks, things may not go as we hoped or planned. What concrete alternative to OIF would you have offered? A continuation of the Sanctions, only Smart Sanctions, a continuation of the Oil for Food Program (Oil for Palaces/Bribes Program), a continuation of the No-Fly Zones, more "No War, No Peace" for Kurdistan? Would you have merely palliated the misery that was Iraq?

The US Civil War fundamentally changed this nation. As one historian said, "From the United States are, to the Untied States IS." It put a bound on state’s rights, and apparently left the Federal government supreme, and now we seek limits on FEDERAL power. It freed Blacks, led to Jim Crowe, and MLK, and to Al Sharpton/Tawana Brawley and a discussion of RACE in regards to something as harmless as Baseball, q.v. Barry Bonds discussion. We ARE STILL working thru all the in’s and out’s of a war that ended 141 years ago. Do you expect Iraq to beat our record, do you wish that we hadn’t HAD the Civil War, so we wouldn’t have these problems? The US is a better place, but nonetheless deeply divided over issues stemming from Appomatox Courthouse that took place LONG before any of us were born. I expect Iraqi’s will be dealing with the aftermath of OIF and centuries of Sunni domination long after we are dead too. But at least we gave thenm a chance to attmept it, just as Grant and his men gave us a chance by THEIR efforts.
 
Written By: Joe
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What Joe said.

Thanks, Joe!
 
Written By: equitus
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How much worse does it need to get? How about this worse?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060521&articleId=2482
 
Written By: tony
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He describes one episode where his squad responded to the much-reported incident in Falluja where 4 US mercenaries were killed and hung from a bridge. Shortly after Iraqis killed the mercenaries, according to Macbeth, his squad of Rangers gunned down Iraqis praying inside a mosque on a holy day, then hung some of the bodies from rafters, and defaced the mosque with graffiti.

Tony, call me a cynic, but if this did happened, I believe it would be all over the press within hours. Not necessarily our press, but definitely Al Jazeera.
 
Written By: Wilky
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Tony, call me a cynic, but if this did happened, I believe it would be all over the press within hours. Not necessarily our press, but definitely Al Jazeera.
Yup ... got to agree with you there. We’d know all about this if true. And being an old Ranger, I can promise you, that’s not how Rangers work (nor would it be tolerated among Rangers).
 
Written By: McQ
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Well Tony baby, I’d recommend a number of things:
1) Read Stolen Valor, by J D Burkett
2) Examine Burkett’s methods of determining the truth or falsity of claims
3) Apply those standards to Jessie MacBeth’s story:
a) Did Jessie MacBeth EVER serve in the US Army?
b) If he did, was he in fact EVER a Ranger, defined as a member of of one of the three Ranger Battalions, 1st-3rd of the 75th Ranger Infantry Regiment (?-correct McQ?)
c) Did he in fact EVER serve in Iraq, bearing in mind that 16 months is a LONG tour, in fact the Army has limited it’s tours of duty to 12-13 months, in a combat capacity?

You might be surprised to discover that a, b, c above are not true of Jessie, quite possibly ALL of them! That is Burkett’s finding with any of a number of Vietnam Veterans. Quite often their stories of combat and atrocity are entirely fictitious!

All you need from MacBeth’s story is a name, you have it, a Date of Birth, branch of service and a TIME in service. With that one can file a FOIA request of the Army for Mr. MacBeth’s records. His "201 file" is NOT a private record (and hasn’t ever been one, so the NSA and Dick Cheney could have looked at it LONG before the PATRIOT Act, Jon). Certain portions of it ARE private, but his time in service, ranks achieved, schools attended, awards received, and units he served with are a PUBLIC RECORD.

I’m betting that Mr MacBeth was a Clerk-Typist with a Quartermaster detachment in Monmouth NJ when he was supposedly with the "Rangers in Iraq" gunning down the innocent.

What MacBeth and Global Reach know is that their story gets out NOW, a FOIA request takes time and might never be done.. so they have months to spread their lies and even if "called" on it, Jessie will remain a hero to the Left for having bravely "Spoken Truth to Power."

Bottom-line: I’d make book that this is all a part of a "Big Lie" told by "Ranger" MacBeth. Of course you can prove me wrong, make me eat my words, just look it up, Tony.
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe Said:
This seems the the best process available to Iraq. I have really yet heard you proffer a BETTER process, one that removed Saddam and transitioned Iraq to a multi-ethnic democratic state. Or would you prefer that Saddam, Uday and Qusai still be in power, it was stable, it was predictable... all things that Progressives LIKE these days.


Why should Iraq transitioning to a democratic state help us in any way ?? They may elect a radical as their president (just like the Palestinians did). My problem with OIF is that we aren’t getting tangible out of Iraq. No Oil, no gas, nothing, inspite of spending gazillions of money there...I could care less about democracy in Iraq, whether they have democracy or not is not any of my business
It seems that your ilk are truly becoming the Conservatives, change is bad, it is unpredictable, it has risks, things may not go as we hoped or planned. What concrete alternative to OIF would you have offered? A continuation of the Sanctions, only Smart Sanctions, a continuation of the Oil for Food Program (Oil for Palaces/Bribes Program), a continuation of the No-Fly Zones, more "No War, No Peace" for Kurdistan? Would you have merely palliated the misery that was Iraq?
Before OIF, America was thought to be a pre-eminent power in the world. But now, everybody thinks that America can fight and destroy but cannot hold ground...Another "last helicoptor" image and the fear that America inspired (in the bad guys) will be gone. I don’t care about what happened to Iraq, I care about what happens to America’s image in the world. The dividends of the First Gulf War and Kosovo is already gone.

Think about that...
I expect Iraqi’s will be dealing with the aftermath of OIF and centuries of Sunni domination long after we are dead too. But at least we gave thenm a chance to attmept it, just as Grant and his men gave us a chance by THEIR efforts.


Nobody likes any externally imposed solution on them, even if it is for their own good...HOw would our Civil War have turned out if the Brits were in the picture while we were fighting amongst ourselves ?? What would have happened if the Brits were supporting one side agains another ? To paraphrase what one Iraqi said, "Saddam was a bas@#%!, but he was OUR bas$%&!"
 
Written By: Ivan
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What would have happened if the Brits were supporting one side agains another ? To paraphrase what one Iraqi said, "Saddam was a bas@#%!, but he was OUR bas$%&!"
Really, so the 85% of Iraq really LOVED Saddam, because he was one of them, eh? Come on Ivan...

 
Written By: Joe
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Ivan,
So the 34% of the Germans that voted for Hitler, they of course didn’t accept the Occupation and it failed, because the Germans all knew that Hitler was OUR bast@%d!

And then the Iraqi’s the Shi’i and the Kurdss, yeah Ivan they LOVED him! After the Anfal Campaign and Hallabjah the Kurds really identified with Saddam and his regime, and that whole "Operation Provide Comfort" thing really didn;t phase them or shift their opinion of the US at all. Yes sirree, in a choice between Saddam and the US forces they’d chose their own Bast@%d! And the Shi’i, yes after 1991 when they REBELLED AGAINST SADDAM AT THE URGING OF BUSH ’41, they’d chose Saddam and the Sunni’s because "HEY WE’RE LL IRAQI’S HERE, RIGHT?", even if the Baghdad regime had treated them as expendables and rounded them up in the thousands and SHOT them!

I try, not too successfully it’s true, not to be too snarky, but do you really BELIEVE THIS STUFF YOU SPOUTED, are you ignorant of history, or just committed to opposing the war and silling to SAY ANYTHING?
Before OIF, America was thought to be a pre-eminent power in the world. But now, everybody thinks that America can fight and destroy but cannot hold ground...Another "last helicoptor" image and the fear that America inspired (in the bad guys) will be gone. I don’t care about what happened to Iraq, I care about what happens to America’s image in the world. The dividends of the First Gulf War and Kosovo is already gone.
As Bush ’41 was defeated, in part over his "failed war" I really don’t think that the Second Gulf War had great impact on our image, as you just defined it. And our reputation from Kosovo, you mean the obvious conclusion that the US is willing to bomb from 4,500 metres, but not willing to commit to combat. AGAIN DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS STUFF or is it any port in a storm for arguments today?
Why should Iraq transitioning to a democratic state help us in any way ?? They may elect a radical as their president (just like the Palestinians did). My problem with OIF is that we aren’t getting tangible out of Iraq. No Oil, no gas, nothing, inspite of spending gazillions of money there...I could care less about democracy in Iraq, whether they have democracy or not is not any of my business
I don’t know, why would transitioning Germany or Japan to democracies be of any value, but at least by your argument we got cheap Japanese products, BMW’s or Mercedes-Benz’s. Oh yes there was that whole making their regions more peaceful and safer for the US and it’s neighbors and allies thing. Let’s see Germany invaded it’s neighbors FIVE TIMES from 1864-1939, and since then it’s been pretty quiet in Deutchesland. I guess intangibles are worth something, eh Ivan? Or is democracy simply an intangible, an accessory to International Affairs or does it tend to spread economic development and trade, whilst reducing tensions and the costs of war?
 
Written By: Joe
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Guys(various above). You would think Jessie Macbeth was the only soldier or ex-soldier making these claims. There are many similar ones and still more that we will never hear about. As for the press reporting them instantly - isn’t that a bit of a naive expectation in the face of the stranglehold on, and subversion/distortion of information by the US Army itself, the Pentagon, the Bush and Blair spinners.
When the debacle is over (for the coalition at any rate) and the US Army leaves with its tail between its legs, the atrocities will be documented and recounted
by the hundreds. And don’t hit me with ’the terrorists are worse’ or ’it’s better than under Saddam’ - the Coalition is supposed to the Security Force.
At least the comments on my point are rational but, I am afraid, misguided. I can chapter and verse a lot more of these stories although the media in Iraq are often too scared (can’t blame them) to go to the scenes of incidents. The most reliable sources are not Fox/CNN/Reuters,needless to say. As proper an account as you are ever going to get from incident locations are carried on Xinhua, Pravda, any Turkish News site and, occasionally, although they are scared of the bullying Blair Government, the BBC.
 
Written By: tony
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As proper an account as you are ever going to get from incident locations are carried on Xinhua, Pravda, any Turkish News site and, occasionally, although they are scared of the bullying Blair Government, the BBC.
Which is why we say this is perfect Al Jazeera fodder and had it happend, you can be assured they’d have been all over it.

Not a peep.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Yes Tony and the work of Perfidious Albion and that Syphaletic Cigar-Smoking Churchill could usually be found on the pages of
Stern
in Germany, but that doesn’t make them true, just where you can find accounts of British atrocities agains the German Volk.....
 
Written By: Joe
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Sorry, McQ and Joe, none of your points make any sense. Is it something to do with the opening hours in America? I am not defending the British position here or anywhere else. It is as indefensible as the US position in Iraq and Afghanistan. As for Al Jazeera they are always a week behind the breaking news in the cutting edge news sites. I also take it you know there are two Al Jazeeras. You may be getting confused between them. I repeat my point about many of the media sources being scared to follow up stories due to government bullying, often successful, in both US and UK. As in the previous McCarthy era in America, which is being repeated now, the bullies will melt away and the truth will out,even if it takes years.
 
Written By: tony
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Tony, the guy’s a FAKE FAKE FAKE. FAKE.

Was I clear enough for ya?

Always nice to see the left is still as gullible as always.

Oh did that Rove indictment come in yet? I hear it comes in in 24 hours (was that dog hours) ...

You guys are clowns. Send in the clowns ....

 
Written By: capt joe
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So let me get this straight...... Tony thinks we live in an era of "McCarthyism", where the media is bullied and cowed by the white house (BWAAAAAAAHhahah!), just because the MSM fails to jump on every tinfoil hatted bit of raving gibberish that comes along.

It’s all so CLEAR to me now! The MSM is obviously either biased to the right or bullied by the White House, because they fail to report Important Things that Everyone Knows! The fact that their headline today isn’t "OH NOES!! BUSHCHIMPY HALIBURTON! DEAD PUPPIES QUAGMIRE! OIL! OIL! ", proves their complicity in the neocon plot!
 
Written By: Tim in PA
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I repeat my point about many of the media sources being scared to follow up stories due to government bullying, often successful, in both US and UK.
I am sure you are talking aboutthe good job that the US government did in keeping the pictures and events of Abu Graib out of the media. Or the report of the Marine that shot the wounded insurgent in the mosk. Stellar job keeping those out of the WORLD WIDE MEDIA, but as you say, we are just that good at "bullying".

(One last thing before I go, how long from the time that the cartoons depicting the prophet mhom, to the time it was broadcasted to the entire arabic world on al jazeera?- not even close to a week. And from that time how long was it before there were riots that took the lives of other muslims?)
 
Written By: B-6
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Sorry, McQ and Joe, none of your points make any sense. Is it something to do with the opening hours in America?
Sorry Tony, but your "outspoken hero", Jesse MacBeth is a fraud.

Can’t say it any clearer than that. And yes, Tony, I’m a Ranger, and believe me, I know what one is supposed to look like, especially in a DOD photo.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
"fake but accurate"

Need we say more...
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
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If everybody who claims to be an ex-soldier in the blogs really is an ex-soldier, half the US population must be vets. A big strain on the taxpayers, half of whom must be vets themselves in that case. Amid the song and dance in recent posts about cap badges and the brave US Media covering Abu Ghraib(as if they had a choice with photos doing the rounds in every website in every country in the world), the main point about innocent women and children being murdered by the so called security force (cf John Murtha’s recent remarks) remains substantially unchallenged. There are hundreds of sources and incidents since 2003 (which have not been properly followed up by the main western media)whether Jessie Macbeth is a fraud or not. There’s no point in defending the US military performance in Iraq - it is abysmal for all the world to see every day. Whether its their fault or the incompetent political ’leadership’doesn’t matter to anyone, least of all the victims of it, innocent Iraqis.
 
Written By: tony
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If everybody who claims to be an ex-soldier in the blogs really is an ex-soldier, half the US population must be vets.
Not unless the whole US blogs.
There are hundreds of sources and incidents since 2003 (which have not been properly followed up by the main western media)whether Jessie Macbeth is a fraud or not. There’s no point in defending the US military performance in Iraq - it is abysmal for all the world to see every day. Whether its their fault or the incompetent political ’leadership’doesn’t matter to anyone, least of all the victims of it, innocent Iraqis.
One more time for you Tony:

MacBeth is a fraud.

And what he says is untrue.

Live with it.
 
Written By: McQ
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