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The Cost of Immigration Hysteria
Posted by: Jon Henke on Wednesday, May 31, 2006

Unsurprisingly, the immigration hysteria and concurrent demands for more government to solve the "problem" are already looking like they may pay off in very anti-liberty directions.
  1. First, Michael Bloomberg is calling for a step towards a National ID, advocating "a plan that would establish a DNA or fingerprint database to track and verify all legal U.S. workers." And don't forget the REAL ID Act, which will "establish what amounts to a national identity card." The Bush administration "strongly supports" it (pdf), in order to "protect against terrorist entry into and activities within the United States."

    The National ID. It's for your own good.


  2. Second, according to the DC Examiner, "a measure to put federal bureaucrats in charge of wage setting for a big chunk of the American economy appears headed toward passage." The Examiner goes on...
    What the provision does, according to Obama, is “establish a true prevailing wage for all occupations.” Ponder those words carefully because they are the top edge of a slippery slope downward to the chaos, confusion, injustice and economic stagnation that thousands of years of human history show always result when government tries to set wages.

    The bill establishes a new bureaucracy within the U.S. Department of Labor that would be tasked with determining which occupations in the U.S. have labor shortages that can be filled by immigrants via the Guest Worker program. A panel of 10 politically appointed bureaucrats would then fix wages within those designated occupations by applying Davis-Bacon’s onerous “prevailing wage” requirements on employers.


These anti-liberty measures are driven by the irrational hysterics of the restrictionist movement, and they are happening under the aegis of a Republican Senate. Years from now, we'll wonder why we ever thought it was worth the cost.
 
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I believe you are mistaken on your second point. The new wage-setting bureaucracy is proposed by those who favor the proposed guest worker program, not by the "restrictionists", who oppose said program.

As to "demands for more government", unless you favor unrestricted and unregulated open access to the US, how do you think these new immigrants you propose are going to be processed? There is already a backlog of prospective immigrants waiting to be processed. Who is going to do the background and medical checks and shuffle the papers?
 
Written By: timactual
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As a follow-up to Tim, how many opportunitites for fraud will there be? Every new form, every new check, every additional program - they are all opportunities for fraud. But at least we did something.
 
Written By: Wulf
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
Uh, we already have a national ID, it’s called a social security card.
Our current National ID is rediculously easy to forge so proposals for a more tamper proof national ID, are a good first step.
 
Written By: Radical Centrist
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Perhaps you had better state your definition of "restrictionist" for us. I certainly don’t think that many of those who have written here in favor of securing our borders would support either a national id or a new minimum-wage bureaucracy. I fear you may be falling victim to anti-restrictionist hysteria, which is similar to BDS.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
First, Michael Bloomberg is calling for a step towards a National ID, advocating "a plan that would establish a DNA or fingerprint database to track and verify all legal U.S. workers." And don’t forget the REAL ID Act, which will "establish what amounts to a national identity card." The Bush administration "strongly supports" it (pdf), in order to "protect against terrorist entry into and activities within the United States."

The National ID. It’s for your own good
1) As has been pointed out on this blog and elsewhere, Bloomberg isn’t a real Republican, he simply switched from the Dems because the field was too crowded. At any rate, acting like Bloomberg calling for something actually means anything, or has any real impact....sorry, it doesn’t.

2) Anyway, what’s the hysteria over a national ID? I’d rather have 1 standardized ID than 50 different IDs, which we have now. I sure hope you have the same indignation reserved for needing a drivers license/non-driver ID for all of the things you currently need it for.
 
Written By: shark
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what’s the hysteria over a national ID?
What business does the government have tracking citizens?

The reason illegal immigration is even an issue actually comes from all the rules slathered onto legal residents. Checking who comes in does NOT require following law-abiding citizens, in any capacity, national ID is a red-herring to make it easier for the government to watch people who don’t need to be watched.
 
Written By: b-psycho
URL: http://www.psychopolitik.com
hah, funny, the IRS, Treasury, local taxing authority, Department of Public Safety, just to name a couple of government agencies already seem to know quite a bit about me. What more could they know as a result of my carrying a national id?
Are you trying to tell me you think you currently live in an environment where your id isn’t required for dimn near anything you do that has any meaning in a legal way?
Much better to have to provide 2 forms of photo id, and an ’original’ of my
birth certificate (noterized of course), oh, and my highly unforgeable original social security card (printed in blue ink so the copiers of the late 1960’s can’t duplicate it!!! Secure!!!!!).

Hell, the only thing the government DOESN’T have on me already IS a national ID that can’t be forged.
Let’s not even begin to discuss having your bank card info stolen and finding out you’ve just purchased lots of stereo equipment in Milan Italy, which you will have to cover until the fraud department recognizes your claim....

It’s the information age gang, and for most of us, they already have more than enough to toast us if they want to. Anyone drive a GM car with On-Star in it?
"Hello Mr. Smith? I just detected your air-bags have deployed....are you okay?"

I’m sure someone out there is using cash for everything, and is working hard to be under the radar, but joebob average guy isn’t going to worry the black helicopters are going to start tracking his arse.
You guys are sounding like you think they’re listening in on your phone calls to Aunt Martha too.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
"what’s the hysteria over a national ID?"

Papers, please.

Seriously, it’s about keeping the state weak. Even if you don’t think they’ll immediately be used to curtail freedom, do you really want to put instruments in the governments hands that open those kinds of doors in the future?

Beyond that, these things are just bad security.
 
Written By: Matt McIntosh
URL: http://catallarchy.net/blog/
We have national ID cards here in Taiwan.

I don’t think it matters as much as some people think it does.

I do know that the new national healthcare cards with IC chips are a godsend...no more filling out forms with your details each time you visit a new hospital or doctor - just scan the card.

Is it worth it to allegedly weaken a government which already had reams of data on each citizen? I doubt it.

 
Written By: Harun
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Looker,

I’m sure someone out there is using cash for everything, and is working hard to be under the radar

Hmmmm, sounds like the Unabomber.
 
Written By: Harun
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Good post. Enjoyable & engaging blog.

For a slightly different slant on this issue, see the free immigration control posters at richardquick.blogspot.com.

Also, sign the MAGIC FENCE INITIATIVE Petition.

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Written By: Millionaire Richard Quick, Esq.
URL: http://richardquick.blogspot.com
hah, funny, the IRS, Treasury, local taxing authority, Department of Public Safety, just to name a couple of government agencies already seem to know quite a bit about me. What more could they know as a result of my carrying a national id?
Are you trying to tell me you think you currently live in an environment where your id isn’t required for dimn near anything you do that has any meaning in a legal way?
^^^^exactly. What most are truly mad about, if they consider the context, is that illegals are by default "off the grid" while citizens have no choice.
 
Written By: b-psycho
URL: http://www.psychopolitik.com
These anti-liberty measures are driven by the irrational hysterics of the restrictionist movement, and they are happening under the aegis of a Republican Senate. Years from now, we’ll wonder why we ever thought it was worth the cost.
It was said earlier. It is the guest worker advocates who want the price fixing.

In addition to that, its the open door advocates that want to offer a National ID as a compromise for security as well. Considering I don’t want any part of a compomise that includes an open door, this sure ain’t my idea.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Seriously, it’s about keeping the state weak. Even if you don’t think they’ll immediately be used to curtail freedom, do you really want to put instruments in the governments hands that open those kinds of doors in the future?
Again, what’s the difference between a national ID and the drivers license/ID we all need to carry to do anything meaningful?

Again, where’s the hysteria against the driver’s licenses/non-drivers IDs?

 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
As to "demands for more government", unless you favor unrestricted and unregulated open access to the US, how do you think these new immigrants you propose are going to be processed? There is already a backlog of prospective immigrants waiting to be processed. Who is going to do the background and medical checks and shuffle the papers?
Exactly. What timactual said. But I believe we do not need a national ID to solve the problem. Just enforce the current law. But think about the bureaucracy that would be necessary to enforce the Senate’s proposal. It would be massive.

And on a related note, here is what you said, Jon, in a previous post.
In any event, the accusations you’d made were addressed in much more detail. You are as single-mindedly partisan as anybody on the Right. You’d have much more credibility if you didn’t write things like "Jon, ever the closeted rightwing partisan" in response to a post in which I criticized the Right. Or that I "cannot help but imply that the GOP stood by while MF passed", which is, simply, a lie.
I am way, way, way to the "right" of you on the immigration issue, the very issue which you write about here, the most pressing domestic political issue there is. I have made my position clear many times. In fact, you once labeled me an "economic nationalist" with respect to the immigration issue. I guess that makes me a "single-mindedly partisan" as anybody on the right.

Whatever. And you accuse me of being a liar. Funny, that.

I believe laws against illegal immigration should be strictly enforced. I am for fierce enforcement of laws against employers who hire illegals. I believe that illegal immigrants hurt the most vunerable among us - low skilled workers - by driving down their wages. I believe that any guestworker program would only make the problem worse; it would hurt the vunerable the most and would give employers even more unfair bargaining power than they now have.

Is my labeling of you as closeted right wing partisan any more misleading than your assertion that I some rabid leftist? Hardly. As I have made clear, I am pro Second Amendment, pro First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendment - a true civil libertarian. Hell, I consider myself an expert on Third Amendment law. I fight the power of the government every damm chance I get. Does that make me a left wing partisan?

If it does, well then yes, I am a left wing partisan. And yes, I do believe that you have time and again incorrectly suggested that McCain/Feingold is primarly the responsility of the Democratic Party, not the GOP. That was and is my original beef.

 
Written By: mkultra
URL: http://
I agree that you missed Obama is an Open Borders advocate (for now), and his getting reference wages into a database are mainly to argue that we can easily take in several million more in to "do the jobs Americans won’t do for this pay.

The libertarian hysteria about national ID can be resolved fairly soon if we make national, secure ID OPTIONAL. People with no problem with that can flash their secure ID and move right past security at airports "less documented people" must wait in line for. And we could make it so that people that have secure national ID are immune to liability from credit card theft, bad check charges that have to be verified in conjuction with verifying a National ID card, whereas those that fail to modernize their ID into the modern world and insist anyone using their SS# or matricula counselor card must be them would no longer be excused from being financially liable for enriching a gang of Middle Easterners in Detroit.

That way, a portion of the population obsessed with their "freedom" to have non-secure ID to block "Evil Gummint" - can opt out of national ID and put up with the long security delays and if their non-secure ID is stolen and used - restore their credit and charge balances by paying for whatever Abdul in Detroit managed to rip off before the ID theft was noticed.

While the rest of us benefit from better, hard to forge ID.

And given the electronic medical health record & ID cards now widely used in Europe and Asia make accounts more secure and lower medical costs considerably, any American NOT wanting modern electronic health history SHOULD be able to opt out - but also happily pay all the extra costs and fees associated with all the extra bureaucracy and personnel systems needed to handle the 24 forms filled out on hospital, or doctor visits to maintain the "good old paper dossiers". With no insurance help - "freedom seekers" just pay extra to keep their anonymity. And pay all extra test costs associated with refusal to go electronic. And pay the hospital or doctor bills for any illegal stealing their SS# and getting free health or social services - if they also decline National ID for the good ’ol SS card and infallible driver’s license.
 
Written By: C. Ford
URL: http://
I am way, way, way to the "right" of you on the immigration issue
"Partisan" does not imply that your views do not vary. Dean and Mehlman may disagree with their official party position in some area, but they are intensely partisan because that is their job. (same for Tony Snow) You, however, only jump in to disagree with "Republicans", and you let any disagreements you have with Democrats go unsaid. When have I criticized a Democrat and you agreed? When have I agreed with a Republican and you stepped in to agree?

You don’t. Because your interest in partisan flackery has — in actual practice — exceeded your interest in intellectual honesty.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
There are very sound reasons for demanding respect for the laws we have in this country. National security, safety for the public health and welfare of citizens, maintaining a healthy infrastructure,etc., etc., etc., are just a few that come to mind. The citizens that pay for these programs are the taxpaying citizens that are legal residents of the USA. Illegal aliens do not pay taxes! Illegals burden our health care, education, and welfare systems since they do not pay taxes to support these systems yet they receive benefits from these systems! Illegals foolishly and willingly work in very poor conditions which has undermined the strides that have been hard won to improve working conditions for low income workers that are legal citizens. If we cannot enforce our laws when it comes to illegal aliens then we most assuredly are going to have a hell of a time enforcing any of our laws. If we make exceptions for the illegal aliens that have invaded our borders how will we defend our borders from invasions by others? This may sound drastic but one solution to get illegals to stop invading our borders would be to: Make it very clear that warning shots will be fired at any and all persons invading our borders. If these persons continue to attempt to enter our country illegally and do not heed those warning shots then they will be shot at to STOP them from entering the USA illegally! I strongly believe the number of illegal aliens attempting to enter America illegally would drop very quickly.
 
Written By: CJL
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