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Haditha: Inconsistencies in civilian story
Posted by: McQ on Friday, June 09, 2006

One of the reasons I've been reluctant to discuss Haditha's details is the amount of confusion concerning what really went on there. I prefer the results of a methodical investigation rather than scattered and apparently contradictory accounts. Dan at Riehl World View takes a good look at the MSM coverage concerning Haditha and points to numerous serious inconsistencies with the reporting.

One item that caught my eye, which I had previously heard in an audio report once (CNN), was a statement by one of the young survivors:
A 12-year old survivor of the alleged massacre of innocent civilians by U.S. Marines patrolling Haditha has admitted she had prior knowledge of the plot to detonate an IED as their convoy was passing by her house on the morning of Nov. 19, 2005. "I was planning to go to school. I was about to go out of bed. I knew the bomb would explode so I covered my ears," the youngster said, according to a CNN translator."
This doesn't at all excuse the Marines if they did, in fact, commit murder. But, if true, it does put an entirely different shade on the word "innocent" for some of the adult civilians I would think.
 
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How is CNN’s "investigation" more methodical than any others? Is it the results of a methodical investigation you’re looking for, or "scattered and apparently contradictory accounts" that present things in a better light?
 
Written By: Platypus
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I’m not talking about CNN’s investigation.
 
Written By: McQ
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"it does put an entirely different shade on the word "innocent" for some of the adult civilians I would think."

Once again, deja vu.
Not unless you narrowly define innocence as including a lack of knowledge. A group of terrorists who frequent the community come into your house and set up an explosive device. Do you call 911 to report it? Do you tell the terrorists, politely of course, that they should pack up their explosives and leave? Do you run out into the street as the Americans approch, waving your arms to warn them? Not me. Color me yellow, but I would do what helpless, unlucky civilians caught in the middle have done for thousands of years; keep my mouth shut, be very polite to everyone, and pray like h*ll that these gd soldiers(both sides) will leave before someone gets hurt.
 
Written By: timactual
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Contradictions in eyewitness testimony are a staple of police and law school legend. This will be particularly true in Iraq for reasons that are described at length in my post, Orality and Iraq. However, for the same reasons, once the story coalesces we’ll probably see a high degree of agreement in the stories.

I’m not sure we can conclude one thing or another from this but I do think it highlights the difficulties of investigating these sorts of things in Iraq and why, perhaps, the reactions of Americans and Iraqis to such investigations may be different.
 
Written By: Dave Schuler
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I’m not sure we can conclude one thing or another from this but I do think it highlights the difficulties of investigating these sorts of things in Iraq and why, perhaps, the reactions of Americans and Iraqis to such investigations may be different.
It also points to why hasty conclusions shouldn’t be drawn, and that’s my point.

That’s why I’ve chosen to reserve judgement and comment on the details of the event until I see the results of more thorough investigations with my own eyes.
 
Written By: McQ
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Not unless you narrowly define innocence as including a lack of knowledge. A group of terrorists who frequent the community come into your house and set up an explosive device.
Now you’re assuming that is the totality of their involvement (knowing), when in fact, that’s not clear at all.

That’s my point. We don’t know and there seems to be a tremendous amount of contradictory info out there. So, before we rush to judgment, perhaps we ought to wait for more thorough examinations of the event to be released.
 
Written By: McQ
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." So, before we rush to judgment, perhaps we ought to wait for more thorough examinations of the event to be released. "

Oh, I agree, but it sure looks bad for the home team.

 
Written By: timactual
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Oh, I agree, but it sure looks bad for the home team.
Agreed...or not. There was a Marine Lt. tried for "murder", only it turned out no murder occured and it was merely the revenge of an NCO that the Lt. had labelled a "Weak Marine" (I don’t know what that means, mayhap he had learned to swim rather than float face down in the surf...). At the end of the day there may turn out to have been something or nothing that occurred. I’ll go with McQ and just wait and see.

As further "evidence" let’s look at the Duke Rape Case, yeah there’s been indictments but the case sure looks weak at the end of the day, no matter how much some folks call for "justice" in this or any other case.
 
Written By: Joe
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Oh, I agree, but it sure looks bad for the home team.
It looked bad for the home team the minute some nincompoop blurted out that all the Iraqis killed were innocent victims of cold-blooded murder, Tim.

The point I’m trying to make is, given the inconsistencies in the reported story as well as little underreported things like "I was planning to go to school. I was about to go out of bed. I knew the bomb would explode so I covered my ears," paint a slightly different picture than that of total innocents at prayer, eating or watching TV when this all went down.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
It sounds like the youngster knew what the adults were planning. If that’s the case, the adults were perpetrators and hardly innocent. In addition, they put their innocent children in harms way. However, I hold off on concluding that the adults were terrorists shielding themselves with children until the investigation is over. It’s only fair.

 
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