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Republicans may win in November despite themselves
Posted by: McQ on Friday, June 09, 2006

Dick Polman is apparently among many on the left pulling his hair out as he tries to figure out the Democrat strategy for '06, much less '08:
Here we are on the cusp of June, and still we find that the Democrats (a) still haven't agreed on what they stand for, (b) still haven't decided whether to highlight those issues where they do agree on what they stand for, and (c) still haven't decided, if they do choose option B, whether they should act now, or in September, or maybe they're waiting for the end of the World Series.

As reported here today, the ongoing internal debate continues. One camp still thinks that everybody should shut up and wait for the Republicans to implode, so that the Democrats can essentially win by default. But another camp still thinks that it might be a smart idea for the party to tell the voters what it stands for, so that people can make an affirmative choice, and so that the Republicans won't be free to simply paint the Dems as the party of tax hikes, "cut and run," and impeachment (which the GOP is already trying to do, as evidenced by the emails I receive from party headquarters).

Here's the most revealing quote, from an anonymous Democratic aide who hails from the shut-up camp: "If you start to [discuss] big government programs … you open yourself up to criticism in all directions, and there's no reason for Democrats to do that now."

You open yourself up to criticism...There's the Democratic syndrome in a nutshell: a fear of taking hits, a lack of confidence in their ability to advocate and persuade.

Just asking: When was the last time Republican strategists voiced any concern that standing up for what they believed would expose them to criticism?
I'm sorry but I laughed out loud at this, not because it is that funny but because it does indeed capture Democrats today as well as anything I've seen written. And although I think Repubicans are extremely vulnerable as I've pointed out any number of times, with opponents like the Democrats they may end up winning despite themselves in November.
 
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No, it’s not funny. Here we finally have a perfect Petri Dish for a viable third party, and no one seems to be stepping up to fill that void.

If I didn’t respect myself as much as I do, I swear I’d think about running for an office.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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There’s the Democratic syndrome in a nutshell: a fear of taking hits, a lack of confidence in their ability to advocate and persuade.
I don’t want to overstress this, but there’s also a tinge of dishonesty in not being willing to tell people what you’re really in favor of.

I know the "shut-up" Democrats want to do it because of good intentions. I know they think we’ll really be better off with their tax hikes and new government programs.

I still think it’s more than a little disingenuous for them to know at least some of what they intend to do, but be completely unwilling to openly discuss it with the electorate.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Aaaaahhhhh, the old "Third Party" meme... Uh Robb there already IS a third several of them, in fact. Take your pick:
1) American Nazi Party
2) Reform Party
3) CP USA
4) Socialist Workers Party
5) Natural Law Party
6) Constitution Party
7) Democratic Socialist of America
8) Green Party
9) Libertarian Party

What tends to link them all together is that they are IMPOTENT. The best third party performance was Ross Perot’s 19% showing in 1992. And it’s not been repeated, even by Mr. Perot.

Ok, some of these third parties are crazy, well MOST of them are. So they may be discounted,

What would be the platform of a putative non-crazy third party? Ross Perot gave us the "Electronic Townhall" and panels of experts that were going to "look under the hood" and "fix the problems". WOW, there’s specificity...

There is Unity 08, Democrats and Republicans hoping for a UNITED ticket in ’08. Ok here’s a direct quote from their "What We believe Section":
Unity08 on the Issues

Unity08 divides issues facing the country into two categories: Crucial Issues – on which America’s future safety and welfare depend; and Important Issues – which, while vital to some, will not, in our judgment, determine the fate or future of the United States.

In our opinion, Crucial Issues include: Global terrorism, our national debt, our dependence on foreign oil, the emergence of India and China as strategic competitors and/or allies, nuclear proliferation, global climate change, the corruption of Washington’s lobbying system, the education of our young, the health care of all, and the disappearance of the American Dream for so many of our people.

By contrast, we consider gun control, abortion and gay marriage important issues, worthy of debate and discussion in a free society, but not issues that should dominate or even crowd our national agenda.

In our opinion – since the disintegration of the Soviet Union – our political system seems to have focused more attention on the “important issues” than the “crucial issues.” One result: The political parties have been built to address the interests of their “base” but have failed to address the realities that impact most Americans.
Note they make a nice distinction between Crucial and Important issues, but that they NEVER ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE CRUCIAL ISSUES or the Important one’s either. There is NO STAND on the issues!

Bottom-Line: third parties are either impotent and crazy or impotent and vanilla, but a common theme is IMPOTENT.

I vaguely recall a quote from Reagan: "When I’m angry I throw my clubs down the fairway. I’m going that to walk that way." Your Party, whatever it is, Robb, makes you angry, don’t throw the clubs in the pond, throw’em down the fairway, because you’re going that way...change your party, don’t change parties.

 
Written By: Joe
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Bottom-Line: third parties are either impotent and crazy or impotent and vanilla, but a common theme is IMPOTENT.
I think what Robb Allen meant (and Robb if I’m wrong please correct me)is there is a real niche for a 3rd party to have a significant impact in this election. It can happen.....see Perot and Nader.

A 3rd party is a losing proposition long-term but in a tightly contested atmosphere with an explosive topic it can make a deciding difference in a national race
 
Written By: shark
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As a partisan I will echo what John Hawkins has written on this... third parties affect elections, JUST NOT THE WAY YOU THINK. They can cost parties an election, usually the party you’d choose second to the third party you voted for...Greens in ’02 Perot ’92. I’m sure that the folks who voted for "real" change in those elections ended up not so happy with the "change" that their selections wrought.
 
Written By: Joe
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Am I the only one who read Joe’s list of third parties and thought of that Monty Python bit in Life of Brian about the Judean People’s Front/People’s Front of Judea/Judean Popular People’s Front?

 
Written By: Bill W.
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Just remember Bill that the People’s Front of Judea and the Judean Popular People’s Front are SPLITTERS!
 
Written By: Joe
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That’s what I see. I think the Dems just don’t get it and will push the Republicans into a squeaky election victory by their own hard work.

The party of "fear" is not an engaging prospect.

Not that this is good for the Republican party - oh, no. It’s not. It needs some real opposition to firm it up and make sure that it stands for something as well.
 
Written By: MaxedOutMama
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The amazing part is that at least one Democrat can clearly see the problem and put his finger on the crux and Democrats generally are totally unwilling to take that final step and either: 1) stand up and proudly proclaim what they believe in (I still think Dukakis should have run a ’liberal and proud of it’ campaign which might have saved his party even if he still would have lost), or; 2) adopt some news beliefs/policies. Either one of these would be a vast improvement over the current ’duck-and-cover’ political stance they take.

How can a party ’stand for’ (and apparently believe in) a set of policies and be unwilling to vigorously proclaim this and *still* expect people to vote for them? Why would any undecided voter be willing to vote for a party that won’t admit what it stands for?

Boy, do I wish for a new Hubert Humphrey or Scoop Jackson (or even, *shudder* a Lyndon Johnson or Tip O’Neill).
 
Written By: JorgXMcKie
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I’m in absolute agreement with the "shut-up and see" Democrats. It’s their best path to victory. If I were a strategist for them, I’d be sending out memos to Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al begging them to shut the heck up. They can only hurt themselves by speaking. Better to have a air of silent wisdom about them than to open their mouths and sound like, well, Nancy Pelosi.
 
Written By: rammage
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This has to be the most inept crop of politicians in U.S. history. These morons deserve each other.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Jordan are YOU running for anything? Just a question. I get so tired of folks whining and moaning about "politicians" but who never offer an alternative.

No they aren’t the MOST inept... check out the Third Republic 1923 to 1940 OR the Weimar Republic in the same era, special emphasis on 1931-33.

Any way, you don’t like the offering at the restaurant, open your own OR Sit Down and Shut Up and Eat What You’re Given!
 
Written By: Joe
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I want to run for something. I’m still in university at the moment... so I’m probably incapable of doing anything from this particular part of DC... but I don’t understand sentiments like Robb’s:
If I didn’t respect myself as much as I do, I swear I’d think about running for an office.
It’s that kind of mentality that keeps good, respectable people from running for office and changing the process from within. When people try to tell me that sending good men to reform government is like sending virgins to reform the whorehouse, I think how sad it is that, at some point, some genuinely good men must have been discouraged from running by that advice.
 
Written By: OrneryWP
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Any way, you don’t like the offering at the restaurant, open your own OR Sit Down and Shut Up and Eat What You’re Given!
What so you’re resorting to the "chickenvoter" argument now? Real mature.

That’s a fantastic mentality there, Joe. That will ensure that the RINOs stay in power forever. You might be willing to bend over and take it, but not me. I’ll be going to another restaurant, or eating in.
 
Written By: Jordan
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No they aren’t the MOST inept... check out the Third Republic 1923 to 1940 OR the Weimar Republic in the same era, special emphasis on 1931-33.
Um, I said U.S. history.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Well Jordan you’re answer is WHAT? Tell me Jordan? Spit it out... You’ll be voting for WHO? You want a Third Party to come into existence and do what? What do you want?
My point is:
a) Are YOU running for office on a particular PoV?
Running for office isn’t that bad. The point is, though, that it seems that you want them to accomodate YOU, and then you complain if they don’t... well get in the kitchen and start cooking OR take what you’re being given.

Sure you won’t change NATIONAL politics today or tomorrow, it’ll take a decade before you can do that, but eventually you CAN do it. If you want, but you have to put in some effort.

If you don’t want to make the effort, OK, but then the best you get is a comprimise situation... to be fair even if yo run you end up with a comprimise, but in the one case you don’t have as much say about the nature of the comprimise.
 
Written By: Joe
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It’s that kind of mentality that keeps good, respectable people from running for office and changing the process from within. When people try to tell me that sending good men to reform government is like sending virgins to reform the whorehouse, I think how sad it is that, at some point, some genuinely good men must have been discouraged from running by that advice
Yup. Just look at some of our recent confirmation hearings, for example. John Bolton was held up for how long because of trivial matters? Justices Roberts and Alito smeared as racist, hatefilled men over the tiniest drummed up issues? Why the heck would anyone want to go through that?
 
Written By: shark
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Well Jordan you’re answer is WHAT?
Throw the bums out. Don’t vote for a RINO. Make sure every RINO loses, even if it means a dem win. They’ll get the message then, and we can come back full-force in ’08.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Throw the bums out. Don’t vote for a RINO. Make sure every RINO loses, even if it means a dem win. They’ll get the message then, and we can come back full-force in ’08.

Uh so you’d replace Arlen Spectre with John Mutha? I realize that’s not a POSSIBILITY today, but go with me on this. You’d prefer a LIBERAL Democrat to a "RINO"? If so I’d recommend you "google" "Fiendishly simple plan ’08" for a man’s Fiendishly Simple Plan for Republican Victory in ’08. Screamingly funny...unless it happens in which case it would be very, very depressing.
 
Written By: Joe
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Here it is, in fact....
http://pointfiveblog.com/wp/wp-content/200605/perfectplan_large.jpg
 
Written By: Joe
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You’d prefer a LIBERAL Democrat to a "RINO"?
There’s a difference? If the Party gets the message that we won’t vote for guys who don’t represent our views, then they’ll either have to start offering up guys who do, or get used to permanent minority party status.

The lesser of two evils is still evil. Here’s what we can thank our good friends the RINOs for:

1) McCain-Feingold
2) No Child Left Behind (co-sponsored by Ted Kennedy)
3) Endless streams of pork
4) Illegal alien scamnesty
5) Refusal to drill in ANWR
6) Ports Dubai
7) Proposed windfall tax on oil companies (somehow a 10% profit margin is a windfall)

Bush also denounced the Minutemen as vigilantes and publicly supported race-based admissions policies in Michigan.

But what about Roberts and Alito, you say? Well, that was after Bush tried to sneak Harriet Myers through, and principled conservatives stood up to him.

Now ask yourself: If in 2004 I had shown you this list and asked which party would be most likely to represent these accomplishments, what would you have answered?
 
Written By: Jordan
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Jordan, here are a couple of Eternal Electoral Truths for you:

1) Nobody is ever, ever, ever going to find the perfect candidate on his ballot. You’re not going to agree with any of them 100%, and even 90% is unlikely, so you’re just going to have to pick the one you disagree with least. (Alternatively, you can go with the guy who has the best chance of beating the one you disagree with most).

2) Voting to the Left with the notion of ’punishing’ the other guy for not being Right enough for your liking (or vice-versa) is, frankly, stupid. It’s the political equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
Written By: Achillea
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1) Nobody is ever, ever, ever going to find the perfect candidate on his ballot. You’re not going to agree with any of them 100%, and even 90% is unlikely, so you’re just going to have to pick the one you disagree with least. (Alternatively, you can go with the guy who has the best chance of beating the one you disagree with most).
Or you can stay home. But let me put it this way: I agree with "Republicans" like Specter, Chafee, and McCain about as often as I agree with the Dems (~10% of the time).
2) Voting to the Left with the notion of ’punishing’ the other guy for not being Right enough for your liking (or vice-versa) is, frankly, stupid. It’s the political equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Who said anything about voting left? I’m voting for true conservatives. If there aren’t any to choose from, then I’m staying home. If you’re voting for RINOs then you’re voting left. A more apt analogy would be amputating a badly damaged arm and replacing it with a functional prosthetic (or a new arm courtesy of stem cells).

This isn’t about the short term; it’s about the long term.
 
Written By: Jordan
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You know what Joe? You have a point. I think I will run for office. I’ll run as a Republican who supports things like

Nationalized healthcare
PC speech regulations
Illegal amnesty
Higher taxes
an end to the illegal and immoral war

The lefties will vote for me because I support what they want, and partisans like you will vote for me because I have an R next to my name. I can’t lose!
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
URL: http://sharpmarbles.stufftoread.com

 
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