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The impact of Yearly Kos
Posted by: McQ on Monday, June 12, 2006

An interesting article by Adam Nagourney in the NYT.
As became clear from the rather large and diverse crowd here, the blogosphere has become for the left what talk radio has been for the right: a way of organizing and communicating to supporters. Blogging is nowhere near the force among Republicans as it is among Democrats, and talk radio is a much more effective tool for Republicans.

"We don't spend a lot of time in cars, but we do spend a lot of time on the Internet," said Jerome Armstrong, a blogging pioneer and a senior adviser to Mr. Warner, who has been the most aggressive among the prospective 2008 candidates in courting this community.
1,000 people. More people attend popcorn machine conventions. But still, you have to tip your cap to Markos Moulitsas, the founder of the Daily Kos. He's the Rush Limbaugh of political blogging.

YearlyKos was a resounding success for a first time venture and a departure from the solitary pursuit of blogging. And it is a fitting culmination for the "netroots" crowd. With MSM heavyweights like Maureen Dowd and political opportunists like Wesley Clark buzzing around like flies, you can't call it anything but a success.

But I have to question the Nagorney conclusion a bit. "Blogging is nowhere near the force among Republicans as it is among Democrats?" Tell that to Harriet Miers or Roy Blunt. I know, for a fact, that right leaning bloggers are certainly read by Republican politicians. And there is a recognition by the politicians that, at least at a certain level, blogs have an effect on public opinion.

I think it is more of a matter of how blogging is used by each side rather than whether it is more of a force on one side or the other. A party in power may use or exploit a venue differently than one out of power. To his credit, Nagourney points out:
For another, as the presidential campaign of Howard Dean demonstrated in 2004, the excitement and energy of the Web does not necessarily translate into winning at the polls.
For a "force" to be effective, it should at least translate to an occasional win one would think. But again, given the minority position Democrats hold, any "force" in the storm is better than no force at all. And while the left blogosphere hasn't yet translated its force into wins, hope springs eternal among increasingly desperate Dems:
"I see you guys as agents of advocacy — that's why I'm here," said Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, a Democrat and a prospective 2008 presidential candidate, who flew here at the last minute to attend the YearlyKos 2006 Convention. Bloggers, Mr. Richardson said later, "are a major voice in American politics."

[...]

"I do believe that each day, they have more impact," said Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the minority leader, who will deliver the keynote speech to the group on Saturday night. "Now how far that will go, I don't think we know that yet."

But, Mr. Reid added: "One of the reasons I so admire them is they have the ability to spread the truth like no entities I've dealt with in recent years. We could never have won the battle to stop privatization of Social Security without them."
Of course we could spend all day discussing and deconstructing these two statements, but suffice it to say the one difference I do see between left and right is the fact that left leaning politicians have more openly embraced bloggers who reflect their political bent and ideology. They also seem more willing to use the venue of blogging (such as those that post on blogs such as Huffington Post) than do politicians of the right. And that isn't surprising for a minority party which is out of power and casting around for any edge in the upcoming elections.

The comparison to right talk radio has some validity. It also may explain why leftist politicians are more excited about blogging than the right. You can tune in just about any day and listen to interviews with leading Republicans on most of the top rated "right-wing" talk shows. It is a venue that Republicans have exploited successfully in the past, has a vast reach and is comfortable for them (big softballs thrown your way have a tendency to build such comfort). Left talk radio just hasn't had the success enjoyed by the right in this venue.

What Moulitsas and his organization bring to the left is energy and optimism. Instead of the woe-is-me attitude so many on the left seem to exude, Kos's crew at least is fiesty, irreverant, determined and unafraid to say what they are and what they want. Whether you agree or disagree, they've made no bones about how they feel:
"Both parties have failed us," Mr. Moulitsas said. "Republicans have failed us because they can't govern. Democrats have failed because they can't get elected. So now it's our turn."
Of course the likes of Harry Reid, Bill Richardson, Mark Warner and Wesley Clark hope to co-opt the "it's our turn" declaration. Each hope to be identified as the major "our turn" player and harness the energy and vitality of the netroots organization to enhance their future political plans.

I certainly don't disagree with Moulitsas' premise that both parties have failed us. No question, no argument. The "our turn" solution though, may be problematic. Energy, vitality and advocacy are wonderful things, but in the end it is the message that sells.

The message that Moulitsas, et al, are selling is "go left young man". Tired of apologizing for their liberal ideology, the Kossaks proudly push the more extreme tenets of liberalism. And they will expect those for whom they become advocates to do the same. That will place any number of those politicians buzzing around YearlyKos looking for support in a tricky position should they ever rise to any election day prominence.

Energy, vitality and advocacy also don't translate into organization. While Kos has never been shy about supporting candidates on the left, the track record is pretty dismal. Looking to the blogosphere to make up for the basic grunt work of politics is a fool's dream. Good old, ground-level political organizing, something in which, at least for the time being, Republicans do much better than Democrats, is still key to winning politically, and all the blogs in the world won't change that.

So does YearlyKos signal a sea-change in politics as we know it and give the political left an advantage over the right? Not really. While it certainly is another tool for politicians seeking office to exploit, the bottom line still comes down to the fact that election day wins are a result of message and organization. And until Democrats can develop a viable message and better organize their effort, all the blogs in the world won't get them elected.
 
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"Both parties have failed us," Mr. Moulitsas said. "Republicans have failed us because they can’t govern. Democrats have failed because they can’t get elected. So now it’s our turn."
Their turn to what? Drag the party even further out of the reach of moderates and ensure that they keep on not getting elected?
 
Written By: OrneryWP
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While Kos has never been shy about supporting candidates on the left, the track record is pretty dismal.
0-20 is dismal? That’s being generous, McQ.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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I think the difference between the Left and Right blogospheres has to do with their fairly different genesis. Much of the Left blogosphere — TPM, Kos, MyDD — grew out of insurgent political campaigns. The Right blogosphere, however, is much less tied to the grassroots, having largely come from professors (instapundit, althouse, volokh), previous MSM sources (sullivan, malkin), or think tanks. It really is an interesting dynamic, but I think it does culminate in the Left being much more effective at using the blogosphere for political purposes. Now if they could only win a race (and it’s well and good for the Right blogosphere to snark at Kos for being 0-21 — God knows I do — but the Right blogosphere is 0-0 last time I checked).
 
Written By: Sean
URL: http://www.myelectionanalysis.com
"I see you guys as agents of advocacy - that’s why I’m here," said Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, a Democrat and a prospective 2008 presidential candidate, who flew here at the last minute to attend the YearlyKos 2006 Convention. Bloggers, Mr. Richardson said later, "are a major voice in American politics."

[...]

"I do believe that each day, they have more impact," said Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the minority leader, who will deliver the keynote speech to the group on Saturday night. "Now how far that will go, I don’t think we know that yet."

But, Mr. Reid added: "One of the reasons I so admire them is they have the ability to spread the truth like no entities I’ve dealt with in recent years. We could never have won the battle to stop privatization of Social Security without them
Looks like McQ has solid evidence to demolish this quote by Jon:
These are, admittedly, among the most feverish of the fevered swamps, but Democratic Underground and blog comment sections are no more representative of the "American political left" than the comment section of LGF is representative of the "American political right". It may be amusing and/or appalling to note what commenters of various stripes are capable of saying and/or believing — and some remarkably vile and stupid people are capable of commenting on blogs — but the comment sections of partisan websites are simply not a useful sample of mainstream thought
 
Written By: shark
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It is not at all clear to me that there’s a major difference in size between the right and left sides of the blogosphere is that major. Instapundit and LGF are pretty significant sites.

It is true that no single site is the size of Kos, and the left has some other pretty large sites too. But I think the right, as befits its philosophy, tends to be more decentralized. So the readership and participation are more spread out on the right side of the blogosphere.

The strength of that approach is that there can be more variation, and therefore a more dynamic response to issues. There’s more disagreement and debate about things like Miers on the right. You’ve got Hugh Hewitt and others defending, a range of attackers, and a vigorous debate.

Even a single group blog can have violent disagreement. Polipundit basically fired a set of his contributors over their disagreements on immigration.

If there’s been an issue like that where major players on the left disagreed, I have not seen it.

The left argues a lot about tactics, but not so much about issues. Peter Beinhart tries to get some debate on Iraq, and almost entirely gets derision in response. The Euston Manifesto seemed to attract more respect and debate on the right than it did on the left. But there is an ever-churning discussion on the left concerning what to do to get back in power. A lot of the ideas discussed are disconnected from political reality, but the result is a lot of energy.

That means the left blogosphere is more useful to the politicians of the left. They can use its fundraising and organizing ability, with very little confusion about where those folks stand on issues.

Politicians, as a class, don’t like to be told in no uncertain terms that they are wrong. They tend to be defensive about it, as Dale Franks can attest. But they’ll take tactical help whereever they can get it. So I think the left side of the blogosphere is indeed a more natural fit for a politician of the left than the right side is for a politician of the right.

As McQ pointed out, the downside is that it’s necessary to at least to pretend to adopt some of the more extreme positions of the left to tap into that resource. In most parts of the country, this is not going to increase chances of winning an election - it will decrease those chances.

I propose a possibly useful heuristic. I suspect that those who court the Kos crowd are more likely, as a group, to fail at the ballot box for any national election. Therefore, in handicapping the 2008 race, my initial judge of a Democrat’s chances of winning the general election will be inversely proportional to the amount of time that candidate spends courting the left side of the blogosphere. I don’t know if this technique will work, but I think it might be a pretty good first-cut estimate.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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I propose a possibly useful heuristic. I suspect that those who court the Kos crowd are more likely, as a group, to fail at the ballot box for any national election. Therefore, in handicapping the 2008 race, my initial judge of a Democrat’s chances of winning the general election will be inversely proportional to the amount of time that candidate spends courting the left side of the blogosphere. I don’t know if this technique will work, but I think it might be a pretty good first-cut estimate.
Consider your hypothesis applied:
Mrs. Clinton is highly unpopular with this crowd, in no small part because she supported going to war in Iraq.

"Oh my God, no way!" Mr. Moulitsas said when asked whether Mrs. Clinton was popular here.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Looks like McQ has solid evidence to demolish this quote by Jon:
No. That Daily Kos is an influential blog is unquestioned. I referred to the comment section. Any choad can sign up for an account and spew at a blog; any jerk can walk into a church, but that doesn’t make Eric Rudolph representative of the religious Right.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Tired of apologizing for their liberal ideology, the Kossaks proudly push the more extreme tenets of liberalism.
How so? Exactly what "extreme tenets" do Kos and his frontpagers push?

And if Hillary is unpopular for having supported the Iraq war, well, how does that make those who oppose her "extreme leftists"? At this point, I oppose that war as well, as have Radley Balko, Matt Welch and many other libertarians from the beginning.

Harry Reid is glad privatization of Social Security was stopped? From the gound in my red county I can tell you that a lot of people were very frightened of the idea, and the Medicare D debacle didn’t inspire any confidence in them. It is hardly a radical notion for Dems to oppose a privatization scheme for SS.

Really, just how are current deems and Kos so extremely to the left?
 
Written By: Mona
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Er, "current deems" should read "current Dems."
 
Written By: Mona
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Really, just how are current deems and Kos so extremely to the left?
So nationalizing healthcare, soak the rich tax policies, support for the Kyoto treaty, more regulation against evil corporations, give decisions on war making to the United Nations, and race-based preferences forever are not leftist policies?

Mona, you’ve reached the point where it’s becoming pointless to respond to you, because the positions you take are so disconnected from reality. If you can’t see that the Kos crowd represents the left, I have to question any perspective you bring to political issues. Even they identify themselves as leftists - they just think that more Americans agree with them on that than is really the case.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Billy, before you go off on Mona’s grasp of reality, you might want to check your own. Mona didn’t question whether Kos, et al, were on the left. You’re wailing away on a strawman.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Mona - No compromise on a wide range of social and economic issues, no compromise on the war, and extreme partisanship. They are to the Left what the fervent anti-Left (as opposed to principled Right) Republicans are to the GOP.
 
Written By: OrneryWP
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"So now it’s our turn."

Is this an expression of entitlement? Do Democratic party elders really believe they have some right to hold the reins of power? Such hubris betrays the wrong attitude for getting back in touch with a majority of voters, regardless of the medium chosen.
 
Written By: D
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You’re wailing away on a strawman.
Really? Well, let’s turn it around then.

Mona, name one position that you consider extreme left that a fair number of Kossacks don’t support.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Billy, before you go off on Mona’s grasp of reality, you might want to check your own. Mona didn’t question whether Kos, et al, were on the left. You’re wailing away on a strawman.
Yeah, but she is questioning how the Kos-kids are on the "extreme left", which is what I took Billy to be responding to.

Mona:

What do you think the extreme left stands for/against? Just because they also promote some typical, mainstream Democrat positions does not mean they aren’t on the extreme left (and, indeed, speaks to just how far the Dems have moved to the left ... probably some insight there as to why they can’t win elections).

You may or may not have noticed that there is a push underway to rebrand the extreme left as "progressives", harkening back to fin-de-siecle politics. After all, wasn’t Teddy Roosevelt a progressive? It makes them seem so moderate. Yet, the progressives were, and have always been, socialist at the core, and in recent years use identity politics to push a collectivist agenda. The Kos-kids explicitly endorse this agenda. How can they not be identified as the "etreme left"?
 
Written By: MichaelW
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No. That Daily Kos is an influential blog is unquestioned. I referred to the comment section. Any choad can sign up for an account and spew at a blog; any jerk can walk into a church, but that doesn’t make Eric Rudolph representative of the religious Right
I notice that Harry Reid, Howard Dean, John Kerry etc have written diaries on Kos PRECISELY to reach that "fever swamp" in the comments you so blithely dismiss.

 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Billy Hollis writes:
So nationalizing healthcare, soak the rich tax policies, support for the Kyoto treaty, more regulation against evil corporations, give decisions on war making to the United Nations, and race-based preferences forever are not leftist policies?
Where has Kos or the candidates he supports said we should "nationalize" healthcare, rather than look at how to deal with it? Virtually all Dems voted against the Kyoto Treaty; what Dem candidates today, supported by Kos, clamor for it? What anti-corporation legislation specifically do they endorse? Where do they advocate giving America’s war-making decisions to the UN? (Candidate Howard Dean specifically stated the U.S. should retain the right to act unilaterally when it is in our interst to do so.)

Again, how are Kos and the Dems so very extreme and radical?
 
Written By: Mona
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Again, how are Kos and the Dems so very extreme and radical?


Good question.

I can’t claim to know everything, or even most, of what Kos writes. I’m not a regular reader. But I must say, the views expressed on his site (excluding commenters of course) doesn’t seem to be the radical, crazed lefty that is portrayed by his detractors. I don’t agree with a lot of what I’ve seen, however, it doesn’t seem to be too unreasonable.

I did find this interesting, though…
The notables,
The Libertarian Dem…

Libertarian Dems are not hostile to government like traditional libertarians. But unlike the liberal Democrats of old times (now all but extinct), the Libertarian Dem doesn’t believe government is the solution for everything. But it sure as heck is effective in checking the power of corporations.
In other words, government can protect our liberties from those who would infringe upon them — corporations and other individuals.

So in practical terms, what does a Libertarian Dem look like? A Libertarian Dem rejects government efforts to intrude in our bedrooms and churches. A Libertarian Dem rejects government "Big Brother" efforts, such as the NSA spying of tens of millions of Americans. A Libertarian Dem rejects efforts to strip away rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights — from the First Amendment to the 10th. And yes, that includes the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms.

Of course, this also means that government isn’t always the solution to the nation’s problems. There are times when business-government partnerships can be extremely effective (such as job retraining efforts for displaced workers). There are times when government really should butt out (like a great deal of small-business regulation). Our first proposed solution to a problem facing our nation shouldn’t be more regulation, more government programs, more bureaucracy.

The key here isn’t universal liberty from government intrusion, but policies that maximize individual freedom, and who can protect those individual freedoms best from those who would infringe.
I am very much a Libertarian Dem, and this is exactly what my next book will be about. It’s progressivism for a new century. And that’s what this new breed of Democrat is building in the Mountain West and Virginia and Ohio.

Now you may not believe that what Kos sometimes advocates is in line with traditional libertarian philosophy, and you may think that Libertarian Dem is antithetical. But, as commonly portrayed here with Neolibertarian (as the authors proudly proclaim their own brand of libertarianism, of which I sometimes believe doesn’t fall in line with traditional libertarian philosophy), he can brand himself whatever he likes.

This belief system that Kos professes in his post cannot be construed as “radical, extreme leftism” by any reasonable person.

Whether you choose to believe him or not.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Billy Hollis asks:
Mona, name one position that you consider extreme left that a fair number of Kossacks don’t support.


First, a definition: by Kossacks I mean Kos, his frontpagers, and the candidates he/they support. Not whatever insanity is posted in his comments section; lunatic notions are found in most right and left sites’ comments.

Extreme left positions would be:

-opposing the removal of the Taliban in response to 9/11

-holding that the U.S. should surrender its sovereignty to the United Nations and that the U.S. should submit itself to all notions of "international law" and foreign tribunals

- supporting the "reconquista" Hispanic movement

-a cap on how much an American citizen should be allowed to earn

-a belief that the State of Israel has no right to exist

-opposition to all gun ownership (altho that one standing alone that would not a "far leftist" make, but in combo with other far left positions it would)
 
Written By: Mona
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The last successful Democratic presidential candidate was Bill Clinton. While Clinton may have had some liberal tendencies, he mostly governed to the center or center-left (with the exception of his health-care proposal).

Says Peter Beinhart in TNR, quoting Kos:
"Clinton’s third way failed miserably. It ... delivered nothing." So wrote Markos Moulitsas, the most influential online activist in the Democratic Party, in the May 7 Washington Post. It’s not an unusual view. In his wildly successful book, What’s the Matter with Kansas?, Thomas Frank says that, in the 1990s, Democrats committed "suicide." Among liberal activists today, the claim that Clintonism represents a failed model—which contemporary Democrats must reject—has virtually become conventional wisdom.
Beinhart then goes on to rebutt Kos’s assertion by pointing out that Clinton’s "third way" not only was successful, but may be the last best hope for getting back to power. It can only be characterized as the politics of a moderate Democrat. As a rare two term Democratic president, it was so successful that his wife is now trying to reinvent herself in that mold.

Of course Kos and Kossacks completely disagree with that strategy and spend an enourmous amount of time and verbage denouncing the DLC, the DLC’s strategy and everyone associated with it. They unquestionably declare themselves to be to the left of the DLC, who’s strategy they contend is a sell-out. The DLC itself is at best center-left.

You have to wonder if John Kerry and Harry Reid find it a comfortable place to blog, why that is so? As Jon pointed out today, Reid is hardly "conservative" and I don’t think there is any argument about what part of the spectrum John Kerry hangs out in. I think it could be reasonably assumed that they’re at Daily Kos because they think it is an opportunity to address a large number of like minded people who at some point in the future might be politically useful to them.

And given the political proclivities of those two gentlemen, the like-minded people they are hoping to engage are most likely not centerists or moderates.

We’re talking politics here ... and branding. Not necessarily issues. Much of politics is perception. And, like it or not, many perceive angry rhetoric, refusal to compromise and litmus tests as an indication of extremist views. Add that with those I’ve mentioned and it isn’t difficult at all to see why "Kos" and "extreme" are often associated.

While Kos and the Kossacks may not consider themselves on the extreme, that certainly doesn’t appear to be the popular perception. And they’ve done little to cause others to disavow that perception. They have routinely positioned themselves well left of center when you consider those whom they have denounced and by those with whom the’ve associated themselves.

Kos, et al, aren’t going to be the final arbiters of how they or their effort are perceived. But I’d suggest that whether true or not, the conventional wisdom concerning the Kos crowd is that they are members of the extreme left of the Democratic party (note I didn’t say the "extreme left", I’m being quite specific).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
First, a definition: by Kossacks I mean Kos, his frontpagers, and the candidates he/they support. Not whatever insanity is posted in his comments section; lunatic notions are found in most right and left sites’ comments
Very dishonest to try to make that distinction. Kos is influential why? Because of his jedi mind skills? Nope, because of the large numbers he brings- which is drawn from the same pool as the commenters (and his "front pagers have also said some extreme and reprehensible things so don’t think you can get off scott free using that defense)

Kos is influential because he’s where the fever swampies come to play...because he’s the one who wants them, he’s the one who courts them.
 
Written By: shark
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McQ writes:
Of course Kos and Kossacks completely disagree with that strategy and spend an enourmous amount of time and verbage denouncing the DLC, the DLC’s strategy and everyone associated with it. They unquestionably declare themselves to be to the left of the DLC, who’s strategy they contend is a sell-out. The DLC itself is at best center-left
First, they are p*ssed that the DLC ignores states that are considered red beyond hope. They want different strategy: to sell Democrats everywhere and lay groundwork for viable Democratic candidates even in red states.

Second, how many positions do they hold, that are left, that libertarians do not share? Clinton supported and signed the "Defense of Marriage Act." As far as I am concerned, that "centrist" position was a cynical, finger-in-the-air, sellout.

Just how many "radical" positions do Kos and the candidates he supports hold that outnumber the nonsense we are getting from the Bush/Frist GOP?
 
Written By: Mona
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First, they are p*ssed that the DLC ignores states that are considered red beyond hope. They want different strategy: to sell Democrats everywhere and lay groundwork for viable Democratic candidates even in red states.
While that’s fine, as noted in the excerpt above, Kos isn’t disputing that in his denunciation of Clinton’s "third way" strategy. What you’re pointing too is understandable but a non-sequitur.
Second, how many positions do they hold, that are left, that libertarians do not share? Clinton supported and signed the "Defense of Marriage Act." As far as I am concerned, that "centrist" position was a cynical, finger-in-the-air, sellout.
Irrelevant, Mona. Libertarians aren’t going to elect them. They know that.
Just how many "radical" positions do Kos and the candidates he supports hold that outnumber the nonsense we are getting from the Bush/Frist GOP?
Where’s America’s center?

That many.

Again, politics is perception, and right or wrong, the general perception remains that Kos and gang are the extreme left of the Democratic party.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
McQ writes:
While that’s fine, as noted in the excerpt above, Kos isn’t disputing that in his denunciation of Clinton’s "third way" strategy. What you’re pointing too is understandable but a non-sequitur.
Then just what is it about Clinton’s "third way" that Kos rejects, which you find anathema to libertarians? And which of these thing is worse than much of what the current GOP is imposing on the nation?

As for this:
Irrelevant, Mona. Libertarians aren’t going to elect them. They know that.
They certainly seem to be courting our votes, as you will see if you follow the links in my guest post above.





 
Written By: Mona
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Then just what is it about Clinton’s "third way" that Kos rejects, which you find anathema to libertarians?
I never said anything about libertarians, Mona. I said that such a rejection places Kos to the left of the DLC which is, at best, center-left.

Not everything I write is centered on libertarians. Some is just focused on good old everyday politics.
They certainly seem to be courting our votes, as you will see if you follow the links in my guest post above.
They’re courting anyone’s votes right now. They’re the party out of power for heaven sake.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Tired of apologizing for their liberal ideology, the Kossaks proudly push the more extreme tenets of liberalism.

It’s amazing how many people who want to criticize the world’s most successful blogger make this accusation, and I have never seen any evidence to suggest that it is true.

Where does this bogus claim come from? Why is there never any evidence presented to support it? Why does it seem to come so often from bloggers with maybe a hundredth of Markos’ traffic?

Please define "extreme tenets." Demand for journalistic accuracy? Demand for accountability in elected officials? Demand for honesty in politics? Demand for fair, untainted elections? Demand that the Bill of Rights be respected?

If these are "extreme tenets, I guess I’m an extremist, and I would ask why you are not also.
 
Written By: Repack Rider
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Repacl Rider wrote:

"Please define "extreme tenets." Demand for journalistic accuracy? Demand for accountability in elected officials? Demand for honesty in politics? Demand for fair, untainted elections? Demand that the Bill of Rights be respected?"

None of these things are what Kos or the Kossacks want. Journalistic accuracy would say we are by any traditional measure of warfare winning in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in the GWOT generally, and if the administration is only showing an average competency in the execution of this war, it is certainly doing better at it than many of America’s wars have been in average, and that there have been no dire missteps in retrospect which could have been shown to be missteps beforehand. As for a demand for fair and untainted elections and accountability in elected officials—this results in Republican incumbents. Where has Kos called for single voter = single vote photo ID procedures? Where has he condemned the fact that virtually every verifiable account in 2004 of voter intimidation and fraud in voter registration and vote counting was conducted by Democrats?

When the Democrats want to do away with the concretions of unconstitutional programs and duties the national governemnt has collected to itself, then they might fairly be said to have some repsect for the Bill of Rights. As it is they have none.

They have disparate interest groups in their constituencies to illegitimately serve, by preserving and expanding these programs.

And in the next decade or so, at this rate, the Dems are going down.

The Kossacks will help drag them there.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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It’s amazing how many people who want to criticize the world’s most successful blogger make this accusation, and I have never seen any evidence to suggest that it is true.
Funny how some will disregard the majority of a piece which generally praises Kos and gives him his due and focus on a part which they preceive to be negative. Even funnier is they further disregard the explanation given as ’evidence’ in the comments when another asked basically the same question.

But hey, that’s life, isn’t it? Rather whine than engage the argument.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Good post. Will you guys be keeping an eye on www.bloggingman.org next year? It’s the conservative version of Yearly KOS. Should be interesting.
 
Written By: Eric
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