OK, I’m a "wing-nut" having to release an autopsy report and address issues like "did we beat him" really shows how far things have gone.. WE SEEM MORE WORRIED ABOUT A MAN THAT THE SAWED HEADS OFF PEOPLE THAN THE VICTIMS OF HIS TERRORISM!
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WE SEEM MORE WORRIED ABOUT A MAN THAT THE SAWED HEADS OFF PEOPLE THAN THE VICTIMS OF HIS TERRORISM! No, we’re more worried about things we can control (how we behave) than things we cannot control. (his victims) |
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I guess Jon...I’ve never seen too much concern for his victims, so we only will concern ourselves for the things we control, that’s the new line? Well mayhap a little focus on the things we DON’T control is good too. |
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I guess Jon...I’ve never seen too much concern for his victims, Right. The whole Nick Berg thing went completely unnoticed. I mean, nobody had even heard of Zarqawi until we offed him, right? Well mayhap a little focus on the things we DON’T control is good too. I’m not sure what good it would do to re-hash his crimes in perpetuity. Each victim was a tragedy, but they don’t exactly have policy implications. Murders happen in the US, too, but we spend more time focusing on, e.g., the DC sniper trial than the people he killed. It’s a free country, though, and you’re welcome to set up a website focused on them. |
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I’m not sure what good it would do to re-hash his crimes in perpetuity. Each victim was a tragedy, but they don’t exactly have policy implications. WHAT!? Terrorism and it’s victims and it’s perp’s have no policy implications? Sure in Libertarian Land where the focus needs to be on reducing the scope of government...you KNOW the IMPORTANT THINGS, not this distraction overseas.Right. The whole Nick Berg thing went completely unnoticed. I mean, nobody had even heard of Zarqawi until we offed him, right? I might note that Mitch berg is running for Congress AGAINST THE WAR and that he and his ilk BLAME BUSH, not Zarqawi for Nick’s death. Funny that the man who beheaded Nick berg gets a pass, but not Bush... and that’s kind of the thrust of my posting(s). We seem a whole lot more concerned about the killer than his victims, akin to worrying about Tookie Williams rather his crimes. |
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Lets not forget GITMO.
Do we owe the world community a debt for helping these guys believe that if they off themselves the rest will go free? They have no further intellegence value, and they sound too dangerous to set free, and we have been too fast and loose with the evidence for us ever to put them to trial. |
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WHAT!? Terrorism and it’s victims and it’s perp’s have no policy implications? Look, if you’re unable to keep your concepts straight, this will be a fruitless conversation. Nobody argued that terrorism or terrorists had no policy implications. That’s why Zarqawi was in the news; that’s why he was killed.
The "things we cannot control" were his victims. They were already dead. There’s not a lot left to do for them. I might note that Mitch berg is running for Congress AGAINST THE WAR and that he and his ilk BLAME BUSH, not Zarqawi for Nick’s death. Lots of people run for political office. I don’t pay much attention to the Libertarian candidates for office, so I’m certainly not going to pay much attention to this sub-1% nobody.Funny that the man who beheaded Nick berg gets a pass, but not Bush... Two 500 pound bombs are a "pass"? Criticism of Bush is somehow worse than two 500 pound bombs?
If that’s your position — that criticism is a worse punishment than missiles — I’m not sure there’s much left to say. |
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Whatever, indeed Jon...I just found it odd that we seem more concerned about Zarqawi’s suffering than Nick Berg’s. |
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Jon wrote:"Two 500 pound bombs are a "pass"? Criticism of Bush is somehow worse than two 500 pound bombs?" Jon, Joe’s point was the people criticizing Bush in his example were generally giving Zarqawi a pass—and generally that sort does.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp |
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Whatever, indeed Jon...I just found it odd that we seem more concerned about Zarqawi’s suffering than Nick Berg’s. Wha? You’re into some Olympic style conclusion jumping today, Joe. |
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Really McQ, don’t remember anyone asking many many questions Re: how Berg suffered or was or was not abused prior to death.... seemed to be a big focus at the news conference I heard. No one worried about Berg’s CoD, but it sure seems to be a topic in Baghdad, any evidence he was beaten?
And McQ we here about Mitch Berg’s GRIEF, that’s not Nick Berg’s SUFFERING, oft times we conflate the two. Yes we’ve heard oodles about who Mitch blames for Nick’s deth, but not a lot about the period between kidnapping and death, yes I realize AQ in Iraq isn’t a reality show, but I just can’t remember so much focus on Berg’s DEATH, only about how it was Bush’s fault, or that Mr Berg doesn’t blame Zarqawi.
Again it seems the focus is on "Tookie" Williams, not his crimes or his victims. Is it a bad analogy, tell me why. |
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Really McQ, don’t remember anyone asking many many questions Re: how Berg suffered or was or was not abused prior to death.... seemed to be a big focus at the news conference I heard. And since we weren’t responsible for that, how should we have answered?
You’re being really obtuse on this one Joe. |
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As obtuse as you and Jon it seems....I merely say that the Media focus is akin to the focus on Tookie Williams, that the PERP seems to be the focus, not his crimes or his victims. As IF we have to PROVE that he was well-treated and NOT beaten or shot at his demise.... |
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As obtuse as you and Jon it seems....I merely say that the Media focus is akin to the focus on Tookie Williams, that the PERP seems to be the focus, not his crimes or his victims. As IF we have to PROVE that he was well-treated and NOT beaten or shot at his demise.... To develop that line of thought you have to entirely ignore the point Jon was making. Just blow it off completely.
We answered a question that was within our power to answer about the demise of Zarqawi. Since his elimination was the focus of the news conference it seems quite appropriate given the subject.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the question or the desire to answer it. And it certainly isn’t at all indicative of not caring whether Berg suffered or not.
There was a report made about how Zarqawi may have been treated post explosion. An inquiry was made as to whether it was factual or not?
The answer was "based on our examination, it was not."
End of inquiry.
It has no larger meaning concerning the MSM (unless you want to argue that only Joe approved questions can be asked) than covering all aspects of the story which is something most of us consistently demand.
And it indicates nothing at all concerning the MSM unless you can point to where the MSM didn’t take advantage of a similar opportunity - in the Zarqawi newsconference concerning the beheading of Nicholas Berg - to ask the same sort of question.
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No such newsconference?
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And it indicates nothing at all concerning the MSM unless you can point to where the MSM didn’t take advantage of a similar opportunity - in the Zarqawi newsconference concerning the beheading of Nicholas Berg - to ask the same sort of question.
What?
No such newsconference?
Well, you see, there you go. WTFO? Your message is garbled. Please say again. |
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McQ you head into the ludicrous here...and you seem to IGNORE MY point, how is this different than the focus on Tookie Williams and not on his crimes and victims.
Obviously the MSM can ask the questions it cares to. I didn’t realize that I couldn’t comment on their focus...
Have I missed something here, was not their focus Zarqawi’s treatment and cause of death? Did you and I hear two separate conferences? So again, the MSM seemed to focus on the POSSIBILITY that Zarqawi was let to die or even killed on the scene?
And whilst it’s YOUR blog, just because I don’t take Jon’s tack or point REALLY isn’t an answer is it? Jon can ask anything he wants, but that doesn’t make it incumbent upon myself or any other commenter to think it worth mentioning. |
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McQ you head into the ludicrous here ... Yup ... it’s how best to demonstrate it. |
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You M*****g*Y******M**s need fafblog. |
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