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Zarqawi autopsy report/info on 3 Guantanamo deaths
Posted by: McQ on Monday, June 12, 2006

Here's a release from the DoD with comments from the miliary surgeon who performed the autopsy on Zarqawi. He addresses the allegations that Zarqawi was beaten prior to dying.
The officials also said that DNA testing proves that the body is that of the terrorist leader. "We have clear evidence he died of blast injuries," said Army Dr. (Col.) Steve Jones, the command surgeon in Iraq. "There is no evidence to suggest that he was beaten and I have no reason to suspect that happened."

Jones and coalition military spokesman Army Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell briefed reporters on the results of the autopsies here today.

The results of autopsies on Zarqawi and Sheik Abd al-Rahman - Zarqawi's spiritual adviser - prove that both men died of massive blast injuries. Zarqawi survived for a time, but blast injuries to his lungs stopped oxygen from being absorbed into the blood.

"The cause of death was closed-space primary blast injury of the lung," Jones said. "Blast waves from the two bombs caused tearing, bruising of the lungs and bleeding."

The injuries cannot be seen without opening the body. "All the injuries found were consistent with those found on blast victims," Jones said.
Additionally, here's some just released background on the three Guantanamo detainees which hanged themselves last week:
Ali Abdullah Ahmed, the Yemeni, was a mid- to high-level al Qaeda operative with links to principal al Qaeda facilitators and senior membership, according to information released by DoD. Throughout his time at Guantanamo Bay, Ahmed was noncompliant and hostile to the guard force, and he was a long-term hunger striker from late 2005 to May 2006. Ahmed had been formally recommended for continued detention in Guantanamo Bay.

Mani Shaman Turki al-Habardi al-Utaybi, a Saudi, was a member of Jama'at Tabligh, a militant recruitment group for al Qaeda and other jihadist terrorist groups, according to the DoD release. Jama'at Tabligh has been used by al Qaeda to cover travel throughout the world and has been banned in Saudi Arabia since the 1980s. Utaybi had been recommended for transfer to another country for continued detention in that country.

Yassar Talal al-Zahrani, a Saudi, was an actual front line fighter for the Taliban who had traveled to Afghanistan to take up arms against anti-Taliban forces, according to the release. Zahrani facilitated weapons purchases for Taliban offensives against U.S. and coalition forces. He was captured by Afghan forces and participated in an Afghan prison uprising in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan, that resulted in the November 2001 death of CIA officer Johnny Michael Spann.
Rear Admiral Harry Harris who is the commander at Guantanamo speculated that this was not an act of desperation on the part of these detainees, but a deliberate act to further their cause:
"I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of asymmetric warfare aimed at us here at Guantanamo," he said. "We have men here who are committed jihadists. They are dangerous men and they will do anything they can to advance their cause."
Harris believes the suicides may have been a result of a rumor circulating among the prisoners:
Harris said he believes the detainees were acting on a rumor circulating in the camps at Guantanamo that says three detainees must die for all the detainees to be released. This rumor has no basis and is not encouraged by the guard force, he said.
This could have been in reaction to the increased calls that have been heard lately from some members of the international community and UN to shut Guantanamo down. Harris says he does not believe the deaths were in reaction to the recent death of Al-Zarqawi.
 
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OK, I’m a "wing-nut" having to release an autopsy report and address issues like "did we beat him" really shows how far things have gone..
WE SEEM MORE WORRIED ABOUT A MAN THAT THE SAWED HEADS OFF PEOPLE THAN THE VICTIMS OF HIS TERRORISM!

 
Written By: Joe
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WE SEEM MORE WORRIED ABOUT A MAN THAT THE SAWED HEADS OFF PEOPLE THAN THE VICTIMS OF HIS TERRORISM!
No, we’re more worried about things we can control (how we behave) than things we cannot control. (his victims)
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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I guess Jon...I’ve never seen too much concern for his victims, so we only will concern ourselves for the things we control, that’s the new line? Well mayhap a little focus on the things we DON’T control is good too.
 
Written By: Joe
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I guess Jon...I’ve never seen too much concern for his victims,
Right. The whole Nick Berg thing went completely unnoticed. I mean, nobody had even heard of Zarqawi until we offed him, right?
Well mayhap a little focus on the things we DON’T control is good too.
I’m not sure what good it would do to re-hash his crimes in perpetuity. Each victim was a tragedy, but they don’t exactly have policy implications. Murders happen in the US, too, but we spend more time focusing on, e.g., the DC sniper trial than the people he killed. It’s a free country, though, and you’re welcome to set up a website focused on them.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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I’m not sure what good it would do to re-hash his crimes in perpetuity. Each victim was a tragedy, but they don’t exactly have policy implications.
WHAT!? Terrorism and it’s victims and it’s perp’s have no policy implications? Sure in Libertarian Land where the focus needs to be on reducing the scope of government...you KNOW the IMPORTANT THINGS, not this distraction overseas.
Right. The whole Nick Berg thing went completely unnoticed. I mean, nobody had even heard of Zarqawi until we offed him, right?
I might note that Mitch berg is running for Congress AGAINST THE WAR and that he and his ilk BLAME BUSH, not Zarqawi for Nick’s death. Funny that the man who beheaded Nick berg gets a pass, but not Bush... and that’s kind of the thrust of my posting(s). We seem a whole lot more concerned about the killer than his victims, akin to worrying about Tookie Williams rather his crimes.
 
Written By: Joe
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Lets not forget GITMO.

Do we owe the world community a debt for helping these guys believe that if they off themselves the rest will go free? They have no further intellegence value, and they sound too dangerous to set free, and we have been too fast and loose with the evidence for us ever to put them to trial.
 
Written By: cindyb
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WHAT!? Terrorism and it’s victims and it’s perp’s have no policy implications?
Look, if you’re unable to keep your concepts straight, this will be a fruitless conversation. Nobody argued that terrorism or terrorists had no policy implications. That’s why Zarqawi was in the news; that’s why he was killed.

The "things we cannot control" were his victims. They were already dead. There’s not a lot left to do for them.
I might note that Mitch berg is running for Congress AGAINST THE WAR and that he and his ilk BLAME BUSH, not Zarqawi for Nick’s death.
Lots of people run for political office. I don’t pay much attention to the Libertarian candidates for office, so I’m certainly not going to pay much attention to this sub-1% nobody.
Funny that the man who beheaded Nick berg gets a pass, but not Bush...
Two 500 pound bombs are a "pass"? Criticism of Bush is somehow worse than two 500 pound bombs?

If that’s your position — that criticism is a worse punishment than missiles — I’m not sure there’s much left to say.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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Whatever, indeed Jon...I just found it odd that we seem more concerned about Zarqawi’s suffering than Nick Berg’s.
 
Written By: Joe
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Jon wrote:
"Two 500 pound bombs are a "pass"? Criticism of Bush is somehow worse than two 500 pound bombs?"
Jon, Joe’s point was the people criticizing Bush in his example were generally giving Zarqawi a pass—and generally that sort does.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Whatever, indeed Jon...I just found it odd that we seem more concerned about Zarqawi’s suffering than Nick Berg’s.
Wha? You’re into some Olympic style conclusion jumping today, Joe.
 
Written By: McQ
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Really McQ, don’t remember anyone asking many many questions Re: how Berg suffered or was or was not abused prior to death.... seemed to be a big focus at the news conference I heard. No one worried about Berg’s CoD, but it sure seems to be a topic in Baghdad, any evidence he was beaten?

And McQ we here about Mitch Berg’s GRIEF, that’s not Nick Berg’s SUFFERING, oft times we conflate the two. Yes we’ve heard oodles about who Mitch blames for Nick’s deth, but not a lot about the period between kidnapping and death, yes I realize AQ in Iraq isn’t a reality show, but I just can’t remember so much focus on Berg’s DEATH, only about how it was Bush’s fault, or that Mr Berg doesn’t blame Zarqawi.

Again it seems the focus is on "Tookie" Williams, not his crimes or his victims. Is it a bad analogy, tell me why.
 
Written By: Joe
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Really McQ, don’t remember anyone asking many many questions Re: how Berg suffered or was or was not abused prior to death.... seemed to be a big focus at the news conference I heard.
And since we weren’t responsible for that, how should we have answered?

You’re being really obtuse on this one Joe.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
As obtuse as you and Jon it seems....I merely say that the Media focus is akin to the focus on Tookie Williams, that the PERP seems to be the focus, not his crimes or his victims. As IF we have to PROVE that he was well-treated and NOT beaten or shot at his demise....
 
Written By: Joe
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As obtuse as you and Jon it seems....I merely say that the Media focus is akin to the focus on Tookie Williams, that the PERP seems to be the focus, not his crimes or his victims. As IF we have to PROVE that he was well-treated and NOT beaten or shot at his demise....
To develop that line of thought you have to entirely ignore the point Jon was making. Just blow it off completely.

We answered a question that was within our power to answer about the demise of Zarqawi. Since his elimination was the focus of the news conference it seems quite appropriate given the subject.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the question or the desire to answer it. And it certainly isn’t at all indicative of not caring whether Berg suffered or not.

There was a report made about how Zarqawi may have been treated post explosion. An inquiry was made as to whether it was factual or not?

The answer was "based on our examination, it was not."

End of inquiry.

It has no larger meaning concerning the MSM (unless you want to argue that only Joe approved questions can be asked) than covering all aspects of the story which is something most of us consistently demand.

And it indicates nothing at all concerning the MSM unless you can point to where the MSM didn’t take advantage of a similar opportunity - in the Zarqawi newsconference concerning the beheading of Nicholas Berg - to ask the same sort of question.

What?

No such newsconference?

Well, you see, there you go.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
And it indicates nothing at all concerning the MSM unless you can point to where the MSM didn’t take advantage of a similar opportunity - in the Zarqawi newsconference concerning the beheading of Nicholas Berg - to ask the same sort of question.

What?

No such newsconference?

Well, you see, there you go.
WTFO? Your message is garbled. Please say again.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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McQ you head into the ludicrous here...and you seem to IGNORE MY point, how is this different than the focus on Tookie Williams and not on his crimes and victims.

Obviously the MSM can ask the questions it cares to. I didn’t realize that I couldn’t comment on their focus...

Have I missed something here, was not their focus Zarqawi’s treatment and cause of death? Did you and I hear two separate conferences? So again, the MSM seemed to focus on the POSSIBILITY that Zarqawi was let to die or even killed on the scene?

And whilst it’s YOUR blog, just because I don’t take Jon’s tack or point REALLY isn’t an answer is it? Jon can ask anything he wants, but that doesn’t make it incumbent upon myself or any other commenter to think it worth mentioning.
 
Written By: Joe
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McQ you head into the ludicrous here ...
Yup ... it’s how best to demonstrate it.
 
Written By: McQ
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You M*****g*Y******M**s need fafblog.
 
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