McQ,
It seems to me the sentiment voiced by the WP editor is all too common. Until the gov’t decides to test this "power of the press" in a court of law I’m afraid we will be at the mercy of the press.
The leaks need to be found and prosecuted and the press should be held accountable by at least being forced to name their sources. |
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(with apologies to Christopher Lloyd) "I’ll catch the leaker, Mr. President. And I’ll try him, convict him, and execute him." |
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Lets see.....in the Constitution I see the executive branch, the legislative branch, the judicial branch........huh, my copy of the constitution is incomplete, I don’t see the media branch anywhere. |
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I do believe he means the First Amendment part of the Constitutional system, no? The one where certain decisions are reserved for the people, rather than the government? |
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I do believe he means the First Amendment part of the Constitutional system, no? The one where certain decisions are reserved for the people, rather than the government? He probably should have said that then, Mithras. Instead he proclaimed the decision-making power lies with "newspaper editors":"But it’s important . . . in our constitutional system that these final decisions be made by newspaper editors and not the government." Not to mention the fact that freedom of the press/speech in no way empowers individuals (editors or otherwise) to cause harm to the Nation’s interests with impunity. |
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I do believe he means the First Amendment part of the Constitutional system, no? The one where certain decisions are reserved for the people, rather than the government? Nope, he doesn’t mean that at all. He’s taking a position where unelected, unaccountable news editors are now elevated to a co-equal or superior status with the other branches.
As an aside, I also doubt that Leonard Downie Jr. or Bill Keller would take such an expansive view of the 1st Ammendment in regards to bloggers (or as they view them, the unwashed masses)- it’s all about turf you know. |
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At least the New York Times provides a rationale, however flawed it may be. The Wall Street Journal’s silence on this issue speaks volumes:The Wall Street Journal had been working on the banking story for a long period of time but did not reach the point of having enough information to publish until Thursday afternoon, according to a staffer who declined to be identified because the newspaper is making no public comment. The Journal does not know why Treasury officials made no appeal against publication in that paper, but editors assume that by then the officials were resigned to the fact that the details were coming out, the staffer said.
Despite the stories that appeared in competing papers, the New York Times is still bearing the brunt of the criticism at the White House, on Capitol Hill and throughout the media world. |
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He probably should have said that then, Mithras. Instead he proclaimed the decision-making power lies with "newspaper editors": I think he was talking about the decision whether to publish the story or not, but the ellipses make it hard to tell. |
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Ever since Sept. 11, the Bush administration has taken the necessity of heightened vigilance against terrorism and turned it into a rationale for an extraordinarily powerful executive branch, exempt from the normal checks and balances of our system of government. It has created powerful new tools of surveillance and refused, almost as a matter of principle, to use normal procedures that would acknowledge that either Congress or the courts have an oversight role. And with all those creative writers, they couldn’t publish a story that dealt with these issues, without divulging our methodology??? |
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It has created powerful new tools of surveillance and refused, almost as a matter of principle, to use normal procedures that would acknowledge that either Congress or the courts have an oversight role Such as? Because it seems to me that this program and the NSA program BOTH had congressional oversight.
Strawman argument erected by a paper that knows it stepped in it |
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Can we impeach Keller now? |
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Imperial President - meet Imperial Newsman.
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Really? Constitutional system? Tell me, under that Constitutional system, who elected them to make those decisions? Umm, ours, the first amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
If the New York Times knows about something then we need to assume that the terrorists do to. All too often the "top secret" classification is used to hide incompetence and malfeasance. The only people kept in the dark when the NYT protects the administration is US. |
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Umm, ours, the first amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Please show me in there where it says the press is elected to make national security decisions. Or where it says the press cannot be prosecuted for breaking established law?
The press is not "more equal" than any individual citizen. |
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CindyB:
If we are to operate under a rule of law, the law must give someone the authority both to classify national security information and to declassify it.
In our country, the law has selected the President and the executive branch of our government to be that someone.
Neither the First Amendment, nor any other federal law empowers the New York Times as that someone, the last time I looked.
Have you found anything in the Constitution or in Federal Law that I might have missed?
Cordially, VNJ |
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"If the New York Times knows about something then we need to assume that the terrorists do to."
We do? BS statement #1.
"All too often the "top secret" classification is used to hide incompetence and malfeasance."
Really? How about 3 examples? BS statement #2.
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Now that I am actually getting a chance to read deeply into ths (too much work at the day job), it becomes more and more clear how much real damage was done by this disclosure. And it becomes very clear that the various leftie blogs (Greenwad included) are totally off base.
In an interview with Kean I saw this relevant quote:
Kean said that when he was briefed by the Treasury Department on the program, "I was told very few people knew about this facility," which provides transaction processing services for over 7,000 financial organizations located in 194 countries worldwide."I was told that very few financial houses in this country knew about it; it was not well known even by people in banking," Kean said. "The terrorists didn’t know the financial transactions went through this one group. Treasury told me, this was a method of financial tracking that people didn’t understand, that nobody knew this was how things were done. Top-notch people in the US didn’t even know."
"The second thing is that it took a long time to get this program set up. SWIFT is not US-controlled; we had to persuade them to cooperate, convince them that this was so important to the war on terrorism. It was a great coup when all these other countries agreed to go along."
So for even those terrorists who might know of SWIFT, "the idea of the U.S. and CIA having a tap into it is something people would find impossible to believe." So contrary to the spin from the left: - not a lot of people knew exactly how it worked —- but they do now - it is not US controlled and took a lot of time to get the EU to cooperate — and now it is dead
So what was gained by this application of press freedom and was it worth the loss. I don’t think so.
Tom Maguire has a great post on this one
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