Venezuela and North Korea: Arms for Oil Posted by: McQ
on Thursday, July 06, 2006
Hugo Chavez can't leave well enough alone, it seems:
North Korea and Venezuela are discussing a strategic alliance motivated by a common goal — expanding anti-American forces.
During Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il in late July, the two countries are also expected to craft an oil-for-arms deal.
Venezuela's leader is most likely to fly to Pyongyang at the end of July on the occasion of his planned trip to Russia on July 25. Chavez told reporters that he plans to discuss science and technology cooperation with the North.
Analysts in Seoul say Kim and Chavez would mainly discuss forming a "strategic alliance" against the United States.
Unless someone can think of something else, the only thing of worth Venezuela can import from North Korea are missiles and nukes (well, except for Chinese trains, which North Koreans have now decided to keep). Given our decades old reaction to the USSR's attempt to put missiles on the island of Cuba (i.e. nukes in this hemisphere), can we have any other type reaction to the threat posed by nuclear weapons and missiles in Venezuela?
Chavez claimed in September 2005 that the United States was preparing to attack North Korea, Iran and Venezuela. He has aggressively supported Iran's efforts to develop nuclear technology and has helped undermine the U.S. embargo of Cuba by increasing trade and providing oil to the communist island on favorable terms.
The Chavez fantasy could become reality if, in fact, he attempts to bring in North Korean missiles. I'm not saying that's a good thing or a confrontation we want or should seek, I'm simply stating the obvious. While the US cannot stop North Korean missiles from going to Iran (since they transit China) it can certainly takes steps to ensure they don't make it to Venezuela. To this point, missiles in Iran are not a threat to the US. Missiles in Venezuela could certainly be considered a threat to the US, given the past rhetoric and actions of Chavez.
During the planned summit, Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest oil-rich country, is expected to offer energy resources to North Korea, which suffers from energy shortages after the United States halted heavy oil supplies following the North's admission of nuclear weapons programs.
In return, North Korea can offer conventional weapons and missiles to Venezuela, which is looking to fortify its military power.
Conventional weapons may be the stated weapons of trade, but you can get conventional weapons anywhere from just about anyone. North Korea has two exports of note. Ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons. A ballistic missile with a conventional warhead is a waste of rocket fuel. Certainly it can make a big bang, akin to a "Daisy Cutter", but without nuclear weapons, they're simply not much of a threat to a country like the US. OTOH, with nukes they're a very real threat, especially in the hands of an unstable ruler. It is this worst case scenario with which the US would have to plan for and confront.
Chavez has backed both Iran and North Korea's acquisition of nuclear weapons, and given the paranoia he regularly demonstrates concerning the US, an attempt to acquire nukes certainly can't be ruled out. He has developed close ties with both Iran and North Korea for a reason. Economically, he has the most leverage with North Korea who desperately needs oil. My guess is North Korea would have few qualms and little hesitation providing nuclear weapons to another country if they thought the trade to be to their advantage.
Chavez has been drumming up this confrontation with the US for years and continues to unilaterally escalate it because for the most part he knows it is pretty risk free but plays well at home. He's about to change that dynamic. If he goes after missiles and nukes, he may find himself in the middle of something which he nor Venezuela really want. He will move from being chattering, sword waving nuisance to an actual threat.
UPDATE: Of course, no matter what Chavez does, he can count on support here in the US from the usual suspects.
While the US cannot stop North Korean missiles from going to Iran (since they transit China) it can certainly takes steps to ensure they don’t make it to Venezuela.
I am unaware of the land link transit path tying China directly to Iran.
My guess is North Korea would have few qualms and little hesitation providing nuclear weapons to another country if they thought the trade to be to their advantage.
My guess is the NORKs have been told that detection of a nuclear weapons export would be an instant thermonuclear death sentence AKA "The 4th Protocol". Even now, without Venezuela, there is no shortage of wealthy radical Islamists that would buy "The Jew Killer" from either Pakistan or N Korea if the weapons really were available for sale.
If he goes after missiles and nukes, he may find himself in the middle of something which he nor Venezuela really want. He will move from being chattering, sword waving nuisance to an actual threat.
On that I agree. Just missiles alone capable of reaching Columbia, the Panama Canal, Caribbean oil refineries would be destabilizing enough. Not even "long-range" nor nuclear. [People in the media have a fixation that an ICBM is somehow far more dangerous than a SRBM or MRBM capable of putting the equivalent 100 kiloton detonation or ton or so of nerve gas or anthrax spore load on a target. They are not, based on where you live in the global community. So far, amidst it’s many curses, Latin America is really blessed in that no nation there has started a missile race, or still pursues nuclear weapons. Chavez tries it, he will have the US, Brazil, Columbia, Mexico, and a wide number of smaller Latin or Carribbean nations breathing down hard on him]
My sources tell me that Chavez has been pay for TV ads in Bolivia telling the people that "we are all in the same struggle". Its pretty clear that he has international plans.
The big question is, are these plans a reaction to our policies?
Venezuela is a democracy and that Chavez was elected in an honest election., by a slightly larger margin than Bush was elected. In a winner take all democracy, that means as long as he keeps his base happy, he stays in power. His base clearly likes America bashing. Every Iraqi rape makes him more popular. Every threat we make, makes him stronger.
We might want to remember this while our secretary of state is promoting democracy on the West Bank, Pakistan, and Iraq. It is entirely possible that free and open elections in those places would elect violently anti-American regimes.
Venezuela is a democracy and that Chavez was elected in an honest election ...
Correct ... the first time. After that, they’ve been anything but honest. He’s cleaned out the legislature, packed the Supreme Court, loaded the election commission, set up a 2 million man militia loyal and answering only to him, purged the Venezuelan miltary of all but yes men and has excluded his political enemies from voting. He’s now on the verge of rewriting the Constitution and, he hopes, being named "president for life".
Wonderful McQ...he’s GREAT, much much better than Chimpy McHaliburton and his horde of Zombie-NeoCons overrunning the planet and destroying it’s environment and killing it’s people all for a rapacious mechano-capitalistic phallo-centric authoritarian oligopoly sprawled across the Globe oppressing Womyn....and the Poor.
So, I guess no country has the right to have missiles to protect themselves except for the USA and those they approve of (like Israel)
Sure let’s condem NK, where are the United Nations when you need them! oh.... (while you talk to the UN make sure they don’t find out about the Palestinian genocide that is taking place in the Gaza Strip.)
Venezuela would be a big treat to the US if they get missiles from NK or anywhere else. So that is how you see it. Ok, here is how we in Venezuela see it.
We have never invaded anybody, nor lied to the world to invade anybody (YOU HAVE LIED TO INVADE IRAQ and fabricated 911 a la mossad) and have invaded Latin America and other coutries a number of times:
Venezuela is swimming in a pool of oil and the US is an oil sucking vampire who used to control that supply, now Chavez has taken control and your transnationals are forced to follow the law and pay taxes. Eventhough they still make good money (not the obsene profit they used to make) they aren’t happy. Greedy people!
The US has already shown it’s might by conducting war games in the caribean to intimidate us with nuclear carriers and subs. So as a Venezuelan, I do hope we buy missiles from whoever if that is the only way we can be sure you won’t mess with us.
As history proves it you are mighty invading nations like Granada, Nicaragua, Panama. Never pick a fight with another super power because you have no balls, you pick on those you think you can overpower and even so Cuba and Vietnam kick your ass.
Even going to Iraq had to be done with a coallition, that shows how brave you are! You better get out ASAP you are LOOSING, it’s already another vietnam.
And for those trashing Cindy Sheehan: I wonder if you have any relatives fighting in the front lines in Iraq, bet you don’t, coward’s, making fun of a mother who is trying to prevent others from suffering the pain of loosing a son or daughter, like she has. This shows the kind of people you are.
Read this and maybe you will understand what is going on. Revelation 9 verses 13 thru 22. Yes this is the 6th seal it has been broken and we are on the verge of WW3. Be close to Christ he will guide us through this. Remember the 7th Seal and the 2nd coming of Christ.
Hugo Chavez is a tyrant who never won a fair election. He’s now killing and imprisoning his political foes and calls his middle class rancid, as he takes their homes and businessess away. He is a Stalinist in an oil-rich nation that was a true democracy until Chavez took over. Chavez may very well be baraining for missiles and nukes for oil. The biggest fraud is that Citgo is Hugo Chavez’s company and all the profits flow to his palace in Venesuela. See more at