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Washington DC: It ain’t Baghdad, but I wouldn’t want to live there
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, July 12, 2006

What is up in the nation's capital?
Two groups of tourists were robbed at gunpoint on the National Mall, just hours after the police chief declared a crime emergency in the city in response to a string of violence that included the killing of a British activist.

The activist, Alan Senitt, was attacked in the Georgetown area on Sunday, his throat was slit and police say the attackers attempted to rape his companion. It was the 13th homicide in the city this month. Robberies are up 14 percent, and armed assaults have jumped 18 percent in the past 30 days.

On Wednesday, U.S. Park Police were looking for connections between the latest Mall robberies and three similar incidents in the area in late May. There have been no arrests in any of those cases.

On Tuesday night, two women from Texas were robbed at gunpoint by two men dressed in all black, said U.S. Park Police Sgt. Scott Fear. About 15 minutes later, a family of four from Missouri was robbed by suspects with the same description, he said.
That gun ban is working out quite well isn't it? Yeah that was gratuitous but certainly points to why such bans are absolutely the most asinine action a jurisdiction can take. They're useless. Those that ignore it are called "criminals" for a reason. But back to the topic at hand.

In case you're wondering why the "Park Police" are discussed in this, the National Mall is under their jurisdiction and not the jurisdiction of the DC police.

The British activist isn't the only person to be killed recently:
Fourteen people have been killed since July 1 in the District, in all quadrants of the city, and police are being pressured to take action by residents at community meetings and vigils to honor the dead.

[...]

Despite the recent uptick in violence, the 95 homicides recorded in the city so far this year is only one more than the total committed by this date in 2005.
I'd love to hear the theories about why this is happening there, but given how brazen the robbers are and how large the increase in homicides seems to be, something isn't right. Split jurisdictions, gun bans, ChimpyMcBushitler, etc., etc.

Like I said in the title, it isn't Baghdad but I darn sure wouldn't want to live there ... or, at this time, even visit.
 
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I’m going to school here in DC. I’m certainly not afraid.
Some girls are a bit jittery about walking on the Mall at night, but eh.

Still, lifting that gun ban sounds like a swell idea.
 
Written By: OrneryWP
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And you still could be murdered. Do you know how many are killed from just being in the vicinity? You also could not have any moral sence, because you can never second guest the situation. Something you might think trivial, could get you killed. Most times in the "streets" its not about self defense.
 
Written By: VRB
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It’s a quagmire, we ought to pull out...
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
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That gun ban is working out quite well isn’t it? Yeah that was gratuitous but certainly points to why such bans are absolutely the most asinine action a jurisdiction can take. They’re useless. Those that ignore it are called "criminals" for a reason. But back to the topic at hand.
It may have been a gratuitous remark, but it is relevant. The obsession with certain segments of the political spectrum on gun-control only serves as a distraction to the real problems which need addressed. So long as those people are more interested in pursuing a faulty course of action, they will do nothing to actually address the problems at hand.

Recent statistics indicate that the steady long-term decline of violent crime may begin to reverse itself. Gun control has been a dead issue politically for about a decade now, but expects its return in force if violent crime picks up signifigantly.
 
Written By: Rosensteel
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Keith I agree. I mean we’ve been deployed to for CENTURIES and has it gotten better or worse? Worse. Time to redeploy. I blame Bush and Congress for getting into this quagmire with no Exit Strategery!
 
Written By: Joe
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While reading this post I was thinking of how the MK’s of Islam would report this story in using it as grist for their propoganda mill about the USA. Thanks, Keith, for my first good laugh of the day.
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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Gun ban? Come on.

New York City also has a gun ban; you might want to take a look at how the murder rate there has moved.

If you’re going to make a claim like that, back it up with evidence.

And don’t tell me that it was just an aside—without that aside, there’s pretty much nothing to the post. "Gee, lots of people are getting killed in DC, and I have no idea why and nothing intelligent to say about it, and it might not even be true that the number of murders is unusual." That’s some deep thinking.
 
Written By: Sean
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Gun ban is meaningless. Most people are six degrees from knowing how to get an illegal gun. Its the attittudes in society, that using guns gives them power. The feeling that you have power over life and death is narcotic.
 
Written By: VRB
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I’m pro gun control, but if someone in DC wants a gun they just go a couple miles over the border to MD or VA to get it.
 
Written By: Oliver
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cracka please.

i bet that bloke that got shanked in g’town was taking the ’romantic route’ by the canal. dc’s safer now than when i was there (70’s, 80’s, 90’s).

and you know this wouldn’t be news if it weren’t for the (presumably pretty & white) girls from texas getting boosted.

as to your (mcq) comment the park police have jurisdiction: does anyone yet have any kind of exclusive jurisdiction to any part of dc (save for the capitol & WH)? point being: if paved streets (metro juris.) go through the mall (pp juris.), which has a subway stop (metro xit juris., unless it’s foggy bottom, which may have treasury juris.)... just another reason to hate to be a cop in dc.

as to gun ownership: what’s wrong with the (admitedly rushed) idea of lifting the ban & "just" impose wicked stiff sentences on crimes committed w/ a gun? i know the biggest flaw w/ that is the frequent flux of suburbanites would not be legally able to transport across state lines w/o a fed license of some sort.
 
Written By: window licker
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I’m pro gun control, but if someone in DC wants a gun they just go a couple miles over the border to MD or VA to get it.
Heh ... yup. And notice who it was who’d apparently been to MD and VA.
 
Written By: McQ
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Oliver—

So despite the ineffectiveness of gun control laws, you’re in favor of gun control laws? That’s how bad laws get on the books in the first place.
 
Written By: the wolf
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Basically, DC is apparantly going through one of it’s periodic episodes where inner city black thugs think they can foray out of their neighborhoods with impunity and kill and job in other areas and target other socioeconomic classes. There will be a crackdown, and the thugs will go back to killing their more helpless neighbors in Anacostia, DC NE, and fellow young barbarians that "dis" them.

Generally, I think universal gun bans are stupid and counterproductive. I disagree with gun nuts that want to make gun buying easy and virtually regulation free, who think it is a tragedy to "Precious Constitutional Freedoms" if the Crips, Bloods, MS13, and Los Diablos cannot buy all the Tech-9 s they want. That is ridiculous. But banning everyone in a crappy part of America but cops and thugs guarantees that thugs are free to extort and intimidate non gang members. DC would be far safer if business owners with no criminal records could get a handgun for defense and homeowners could buy a shotgun. But anytime there is a sensible idea for relaxing a gun ban, all the special interest groups pour out to oppose it. Most notably cops. Cops and cops unions and the usual politicians that think the word of a cop is the word of God spoken through the self-proclaimed "America’s Heroes" (just ask them) - The cops - think that only fellow brothers in blue, select wealthy powerful politicians and lawyers and businessmen "blessed by cops themselves!!" should have the "right to own". They love gun bans. Not because they think it reduces thug crime - they know it makes it far easier for thugs to terrorize and dominate communities, but because cops fear domestic disputes where a gun is involved far more than street thugs who are more likely to run and dump their illegal handgun than shoot it out. "Best if mere civilians are forbidden things as much as possible that might hurt a few of them, or worse us!"
 
Written By: C. Ford
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Gun bans are just another silly social experiment gone awry, caused by an apathetic public that’s either too lazy, stupid, or just doesn’t give a damn enough to say STOP!

Look back in history to when corporal punishment was banned. Cops, ministers, and other citizens wrote in to newspapers across the nation, complaining about the almost instantaneous reponse of thugs to the abandonment of one fairly effective means of punishment—the hickory. The spike in crime noted by those citizens of the early 20th century should have served as a warning that the experiment was an immediate failure, but instead we’ve stayed the course.

The idiots who couldn’t (can’t??) distinguish between violence and righteous punishment cried because some young offenders got a stinging reminder that our nation is predicated on laws. Fast forward to the modern era, and young people who might have been "corrected" by judicious application of the rod are now lifelong criminals-in-training who would just as soon kill you as take the $5 in your wallet.

Leader of the civilized world, indeed.
 
Written By: q240z
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I disagree with gun nuts that want to make gun buying easy and virtually regulation free, who think it is a tragedy to "Precious Constitutional Freedoms" if the Crips, Bloods, MS13, and Los Diablos cannot buy all the Tech-9 s they want.
Make owning a gun as easy as voting. Or vice versa.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Why do any of you think that the violence is related to committing a crime other than the murder in itself? You get murdered for any stupid incident. If everyone was armed, you would still get murdered. But it is to hard for anyone to look at the actual reasons. Most times it is easy to trot out the old tired reasons. You owning a gun is not going to solve the problem. Fighting back and occasionally winning will not stop it, because you are the only one who has fear.
 
Written By: VRB
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I disagree with gun nuts that want to make gun buying easy and virtually regulation free, who think it is a tragedy to "Precious Constitutional Freedoms" if the Crips, Bloods, MS13, and Los Diablos cannot buy all the Tech-9 s they want.
Back around ’92 (the study began during Bush 41 and ended during Clinton, but Clinton seems to have ignored all of its implications), they came out with a study of inner city gun crime that determined that inner city gangs became defacto gun dealers. It was tied to drugs: druggies stole guns and used them as cash to buy drugs from gangs. The gangs then sold the guns they had aquired in this manner.

In other words, the idea that gun laws restrict the Crips and Bloods from aquiring guns is flat out wrong.

Suspect this is even more true of MS13—who likely is sophisticated enough not to want Tec-9s.

 
Written By: Don
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Why do any of you think that the violence is related to committing a crime other than the murder in itself?


Most of the time, murder is related to some other violence.
You get murdered for any stupid incident.


Mostly, no. Most murder victims know their killer. Even most so-called random crimes, like the LA freeway shootings from a few years back, are not truely random. Many of the freeway shootings were gang related, involving gang rivals who knew each other.
If everyone was armed, you would still get murdered.
Some still would, but our best data suggests the murder rate would drop. Lives would be saved.
But it is to hard for anyone to look at the actual reasons. Most times it is easy to trot out the old tired reasons.
Gun control, and in fact all the ’progressive’ ideas on crime, generally fall flat.
You owning a gun is not going to solve the problem. Fighting back and occasionally winning will not stop it, because you are the only one who has fear.
Fighting back may very well save my life. Using a gun fighting back improves my chances. I happen to consider saving my life a ’solution’, YMMV.
 
Written By: Don
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I’m pro gun control, but if someone in DC wants a gun they just go a couple miles over the border to MD or VA to get it.
Of course. DC’s problem is that somewhere else, someone is free.
 
Written By: Don
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I’ve lived in Baghdad for nearly a year now. If I had the choice, I would rather be in Baghdad than D.C.

They let me carry a gun here, thank God.
 
Written By: Trevor
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I predict that DC will be as successful at controling crime as it is in educating its children.
 
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