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Iraq: 1 down, 17 to go
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, July 13, 2006

In a press release just issued, CENTCOM has announced the transition of Muthanna Province from coalition control to Iraqi control:
Iraq witnessed a historic event today with the transfer of security responsibility in Muthanna Province from the Multi-National Force - Iraq (MNF-I) to the Provincial Governor and civilian-controlled Iraqi Security Forces. The handover represents a milestone in the successful development of Iraq’s capability to govern and protect itself as a sovereign and democratic nation. Muthanna is the first of Iraq’s 18 provinces to be designated for such a transition.
Hopefully as Muthanna goes, so goes the rest of Iraq. This, I would think, is the official beginning of the end-game in Iraq.
 
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Uh, quagmire, Vietnam, uh, Civil War.
Sorry, I’m new at this.
 
Written By: looker
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Hopefully as Muthanna goes, so goes the rest of Iraq.
There have only been 3 hostile coalition deaths in this province (6 overall) since the war began (the last was August 2004). If you’re looking far a barometer, you need to look elsewhere.
 
Written By: junebug
URL: http://icasualties.org/oif/Province.aspx
There have only been 3 hostile coalition deaths in this province (6 overall) since the war began (the last was August 2004). If you’re looking far a barometer, you need to look elsewhere.
Which part of ’hopefully’ didn’t you follow?
 
Written By: looker
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Looker,

I am sure Shark and capt. joe will give you pointers.
 
Written By: Lance
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I gave up on the quagmire thing for lent.
 
Written By: capt joe
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You’ve got to hand it to the Brits, Aussies and Japanese. Those guys really know how to run a province (or at least how to pick the province to run).
 
Written By: Steven Donegal
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Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true.

Demosthenes (384 BC - 322 BC)
 
Written By: cindyb
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It is annoying when people post in response to straw men, not even bothering to read the cautionary language in the post.

Sean (1973 CE - )
 
Written By: Sean
URL: http://www.myelectionanalysis.com
It is annoying when people post in response to straw men
No straw required. - just stating a fact - using Muthanna province as a barometer is foolish and wishful thinking. I think the Iraqi (and American) people have had their share of wistful musings.
So on this day when the Brits hand over a sparsely populated province that has seen little conflict let’s remember that over 260 Iraqis have been killed in Baghdad alone in the past 12 days. Good thing everybody gets to carry a gun in Baghdad, else they just might find themselves as dead as a tourist D.C.
 
Written By: junebug
URL: http://icasualties.org/oif/Province.aspx
No straw required. - just stating a fact - using Muthanna province as a barometer is foolish and wishful thinking
So the fact that this province has been returned to Iraqi control is meaningless? If not, how meaningful is it?

yours/
peter.
 
Written By: Peter Jackson
URL: http://www.liberalcapitalist.com
That’s all well and good. I don’t think anyone here (or at least, not McQ) is using Muthanna as a barometer for anything, nor are they deceiving themselves that we can turn Iraq over tomorrow because of this, or even that we’ll necessarily EVER be able to turn it over successfully because of this.

Nonetheless, the fact that the Iraqi forces can govern a peaceful province — something they certainly could not do half a year ago — is a somewhat hopeful sign. And it is certainly the beginning of the end game, one way or another.
 
Written By: Sean
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How many "end-games" is that now?
 
Written By: Oliver
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...using Muthanna province as a barometer is foolish and wishful thinking.
All right, you’ve said it twice. Now, point out where anyone used it as a ’barometer’.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
How many "end-games" is that now?
Haven’t the faintest idea, Oliver, but I’ve only been using the term very recently (within the last month or so).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Did not say he used the word ’barometer’, just pointed out that he was using it as a barometer and that his mussing was foolish and silly.
 
Written By: junebug
URL: http://icasualties.org/oif/Province.aspx
Did not say he used the word ’barometer’, just pointed out that he was using it as a barometer and that his mussing was foolish and silly.
Well since I’m the "he" who wrote it, I can only tell you that your characteriztion is completely wrong. I simply noted an event and said I hoped it was the beginning of the end. Using it as a barometer would entail me feeling all such transitions would be as easy and painless and you’re right, that would indeed be foolish.

Try not to read too much into what another says.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Hopefully as Muthanna goes, so goes the rest of Iraq
Nope, it seems to some that word hopefully has no meaning, or, it means "will be, must be, is going to be".

I’ll concede to having possibly unfound optimism if these folks will concede to having obstinate pessimism and schadenfreude.
 
Written By: looker
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Ever played chess Oliver? There’s certainly a span of time for when you’re playing the ’end game’ and it’s generally not one move.
 
Written By: looker
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Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre - Joe Klein
Of course, what is not stated is that many parts of provinces have already been turned over to Iraqi control, or where the Iraqis have the lead. This is mearly the first entire province under Iraqi control.

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=4096
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
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Well since I’m the "he" who wrote it, I can only tell you that your characteriztion is completely wrong. I simply noted an event and said I hoped it was the beginning of the end.
Excuse me, but basing your hope on Muthanna Province, which plays not part in the current dynamic in Iraq, is like hoping that your newly whitened teeth will cure you from lung cancer.
And no it’s not optimism vs. pessimism it’s reality vs. fantasy. But if you want to stand around and sing Kumbaya while over a thousand bodies of month make there way through the Baghdad morgue, it fine with me.
 
Written By: OT
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I realize many are against the Iraq war, but some commenters here appear to be actively rooting for a coalition defeat. Do you not just predict defeat but actually wish for it? And is the reason to prove that you were right to oppose the war, and to give war supporters their comeuppance? Or is there another reason?

This is not bait of any kind, I really am curious.
 
Written By: Scout
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Excuse me, but basing your hope on Muthanna Province, which plays not part in the current dynamic in Iraq, is like hoping that your newly whitened teeth will cure you from lung cancer.
Good lord. What part of the explanation did you miss?

Event. Noted. Hope the rest goes well too.

Nothing ... I say again, nothing "based" on Muthanna Province except to note it "officially" begins the "end-game" in my estimation.

Where are these people coming from, for heaven sake?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
while over a thousand bodies of month make there way through the Baghdad morgue, it fine with me.

yeah, that’s an unwavering constant and couldn’t get any better, course not.
What was I thinking.

What is it with you freaking people, what EXACTLY are YOUR alternatives?
We withdraw and? According to your picture civil war.
We don’t withdraw and? According to your picture civil war.

What you don’t like is that we’re there, but you really don’t have any freaking plan other than to criticise something that you can no longer change, that we knocked over Saddams government in 3 years ago.
Alert, that can’t change, it’s over, it’s done, move on.

Now for the future, what you clearly want is for the Iraqi government to FAIL so you can wave your fingers at the Bush administration and say "SEE SEE!!!!"
This is schadenfreude plain and simple. You don’t have a plan, you don’t have a solution, but its for damn sure you don’t WANT the current plan to be a success.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Hey, looker that response was about 5000 miles over the top.

What you don’t like is that we’re there, but you really don’t have any freaking plan
Stop pretending that things are other than what they are.
 
Written By: OT
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Where are these people coming from, for heaven sake?
probably stragglers from the Grenwald blowout. Don’t worry, not enough quagmire here for them, they’ll be gone soon.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Good lord. What part of the explanation did you miss?
The part that was missing. The part that bothered to take a serious assessment of that facts on the ground. The same part that saw nothing wrong with "the plan" when it failed to work during year 1, year 2 and year 3.
 
Written By: OT
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The part that bothered to take a serious assessment of that facts on the ground. The same part that saw nothing wrong with "the plan" when it failed to work during year 1, year 2 and year 3.
Anyone who’d make an asinine statement like that obviously hasn’t been here long.

The search function is ready when you are. Fair warning: you might find yourself dragged kicking and screaming out of your smug little world.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
That’s right. McQ the slavish endorser of the entire Iraq project. He sure has you pegged McQ. He probably believes you are also in favor of the flag burning legislation, the marriage amendment and invading Iran any moment. See what happens when you stir the hive McQ (not that I didn’t kick it too) some of them stick around. That’ll teach you.
 
Written By: Lance
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Well, you have to start somewhere, and it seems logical to me that it is better to start with an easy province rather than somewhere like Baghdad. Evidently some believe that we should turn over control all at once rather than incrementally.
 
Written By: timactual
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Well, I suppose, if you wanted to take just this one event and try to make an argument from it, you would be misguided. But McQ isn’t, as I posted a pervious blog entry where he shows details of the progress we and the Iraqis are making. Within that context, of ever increasing local security control of Iraqi territory, as well as political and economic progress, this latest event is a very positive step.

And this event isn’t the start, it’s the culmination of many activities. It is only the first province under complete Iraqi control. There are plenty of provinces which are under partial Iraqi control. And a review of the reports to Congress will show where those are.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. And it ends on the last step. And there are many steps in between.

So looking at some of the good news from this past week we have, in addition to the handover.

Iraqis in the lead

Iraqis providing tips and intel

Iraqis capturing and killing terrorists/insurgents

Iraqis trying and convicting terrorists/insurgents in their courts


Nope, no progress what-so-ever...

At least, not anything that would make the news over here. Much to boring to report on positive stories, must report the negative "if it bleeds it leads" articles...

www.mnf-iraq.com/Releases/2006-07/060710J.htm
The Central Criminal Court of Iraq convicted 11 security detainees June 28 through July 4 for various crimes including possession of illegal weapons and illegal border crossing.

The trial court found Sabah Ismael Mustafa Al Badrani and Nabil Khazal Zamel Al Saeidi guilty of joining armed groups to unsettle the stability and security of Iraq, in violation of Article 194 of the Iraqi Penal Code, and possession of illegal weapons, in violation of Coalition of Provisional Authority Order 3, and sentenced them each to 15 years imprisonment. Coalition Forces apprehended the defendants after an investigation revealed that they participated in planning and organizing the October 14, 2004, “Green Zone bombing.”
www.mnf-iraq.com/Releases/2006-07/060710i.htm
Soldiers from 2nd Battalion, 4th Brigade, 2nd Iraqi Army Division captured an entire insurgent cell during a series of raids Monday morning in Mosul.

Local civilians provided tips and other investigative resources were used to identify the houses of three possible terrorists. Once the IA troops entered and cleared the houses, four males were detained and questioned about their involvement in insurgent activities. The four men then pointed the Soldiers to whom they believed to be their cell leader at another location.
www.mnf-iraq.com/Releases/2006-07/060710c.htm
Iraqi forces conducted an early-morning raid July 9 in the Kadahimiyah area of northwest Baghdad, capturing seven insurgents as part of the Operation Together Forward Baghdad security plan.

Iraqi Army forces raided two separate objectives, and then ‘flexed’ to three additional objectives during the pre-dawn operation while Coalition Force observers looked on.

During the operation, nine insurgents were killed and two more were wounded. The wounded insurgents were treated on the scene by Coalition medics.

Iraqi forces also seized several AK-47 assault rifles on the scene.

One Iraqi soldier was wounded seriously during this operation. He was evacuated immediately to a military medical facility in Baghdad for treatment.

Three Coalition Force advisers also were wounded. They were treated at a local aid station; their injuries are not life-threatening.
www.mnf-iraq.com/Releases/2006-07/060710a.htm
After receiving a tip from a local citizen, Iraqi Security Forces began a cordon and search of the al Sadrain Mosque in the Zafraniyah district at approximately 5:45 p.m. today in order to locate a suspected terrorist cell leader believed to be hiding in the building.

National Policemen from 2nd National Police Division provided a cordon before elements of the 1st National Police Division entered the mosque at approximately 9:40 p.m., which initially resulted in 20 detained personnel and six AK-47s.

The joint operation also included units from the Iraqi army and Iraqi police.

No shots were fired and no damage occurred to the mosque during the operation.
www.mnf-iraq.com/Releases/2006-07/060708-07.htm
Iraqi security forces conducted a raid early on July 6 in Babil Province , capturing an insurgent force commander who controlled operations of his group throughout the entire middle Euphrates region.

The Iraqi forces, assisted by Coalition Force advisers, raided a house in Mahawil, north of Hillah, and captured this insurgent commander without incident.

He is responsible for the following activities: weapons smuggling, including the movement of SA-7 surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles; espionage activities for Iran ; participating in coordinated improvised explosive device attacks against Coalition forces; murder and intimidation of Iraqi citizens, inciting sectarian violence; and financing the operations of his organization through contacts in both Lebanon and Iran .

Iraqi forces also seized one Glock G-19 pistol and one magazine of nine millimeter hollow point rounds.

According to a Coalition Force adviser, the capture of this elusive individual is a major victory for Iraqi Security Forces serving to protect the future of Iraq .

No Iraqi or Coalition forces were killed or wounded during this operation.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
OT
Hey, looker that response was about 5000 miles over the top.

What you don’t like is that we’re there, but you really don’t have any freaking plan
Stop pretending that things are other than what they are.
So, you admit, you have no plan, no ideas, and not a clue.

Thanks for the Over the Top recommendation though, my list of credits grows weekly, and that was one I didn’t have yet.
 
Written By: looker
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Uh, quagmire, Vietnam, uh, Civil War.
Sorry, I’m new at this.


Uh, turning the corner, last throes of the insurgency, blue fingers, freedom, democracy.

Sorry I’m new at this.
 
Written By: Tony
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Tony,

That was funny!

However, the first quote is a running joke because we are preempting people who often say such things her on this blog.

It is not apropo with McQ.

But it was still funny.
 
Written By: Lance
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