The Israelis are using the same qualifications to determine who and where it targets as we are...
If you harbor terrorists, you are as responsible for the terror they cause as the terrorists themselves. |
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Keith, Indy
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Either take charge of your country or my guess is, someone else will. Or ask for help from some outside party, say a coallition of the willing... |
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Keith, Indy
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Suppose a sovereign nation like Pakistan. Lets also assume that there are terrorists that want to destabilize that regime. Lets call them Osama boys. If Osama were to launch attacks against, say Indian Kashmir, should India retaliate by taking attacking the governmental and people of Pakistan? Would that not play right into Osama’s hands? Didn’t Colin Powell go to New Delhi just to prevent India from invading Pakistan during the run up to our Afghanistan war? How big a mess could that have been?
The destabilization of a secular Lebanon plays right into the hands of both the terrorists and Iran. There will be more recruits for Hezbollah and fewer moderates to stand against them. Jordan is next.
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If Osama were to launch attacks against, say Indian Kashmir, should India retaliate by taking attacking the governmental and people of Pakistan? If Pakistan had let the attacks take place over a period of decades and made no attempt to stop them, what do you think? |
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i find it interesting everyone wants to ’explain’ this recent escalation in terms of ’pretend israel is country-X & hamas, hizbollah, et. al., are entity-Y’.
to me, it is sufficient to discuss the parties involved w/ their unique history. anything less than this may reasonably be construed as fetid calumny |
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McQ, why are you so uninterested in having peace in our time? [/snark] |
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Yeah, except Israel isn’t attacking the government or people of Lebanon, they are attacking the terrorists and terrorist infrastructure in Lebanon.
If the Lebanese could eliminate the terrorists within their midst, they should have done that a long time ago. |
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Keith, Indy
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Re: cindyb’s idiotic comment. No idiocy is beyond liberals as they valiantly support the Liberal Narrative on the Middle East. They wait until they see what Bush does and then line up reasons that, whatever it was, it was the wrong thing to do. Since they are not burdened with the need for consistency, they can gin up some pretty credible stuff to fit whatever events are driving the days news. It would be different if they were supporting some coherent policy different from the Bush administration policies. Note: The Jimmy Carter hand-wringing and whining approach is not a policy. |
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keith wroteYeah, except Israel isn’t attacking the government or people of Lebanon, they are attacking the terrorists and terrorist infrastructure in Lebanon. as well as gaza, which is ruled/governed by a terrorist organization, and (i believe this is becoming more clear to the unwashed masses like me) the same is true of lebanon.
that is to say, there seems to be the intractable problem of distinction |
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I guess on the plus side, we may well find out soon enough whether or not Saddam moved WMDs to the Bekka valley . . . |
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Sean
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about this:Oh, and a PS to Iran. If you want to make the dumbest move every recorded in the annals of diplomacy, let Hezbollah move those two Israeli prisoners to Iran. Please. Give Israel an excuse to trade those two soldiers for your nascent nuclear weapons program. with the exception of a giant slingshot made of their high caliber cedars (pun intended), would this be viable? assuming the soldiers are healthy enough to move, it would have to be one very long tunnel, no? |
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Oh, and a PS to Iran. If you want to make the dumbest move every recorded in the annals of diplomacy, let Hezbollah move those two Israeli prisoners to Iran. Please. Give Israel an excuse to trade those two soldiers for your nascent nuclear weapons program. What, exactly, would Israel do (seriously)? IIRC, they really don’t have the long-range bombing capability to take out Iran’s nuclear program, or at least to have the planes they send to have enough fuel to return to Israel, and that’s with flying over Iraq. |
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IIRC, they really don’t have the long-range bombing capability to take out Iran’s nuclear program, or at least to have the planes they send to have enough fuel to return to Israel, and that’s with flying over Iraq. "The Allies will never land in Normandy. The logistics would be horrible, and Eisenhower is just that type of risk taker. They will land in Calais. Definitely." |
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Billy Hollis
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Ah, yes, selective neutrality. Why not? It worked so well for the sovereign nation of Cambodia. |
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If you are a sovereign nation you are responsible for everything which happens within your borders So when do we invade Pakistan? And what about Saudi Arabia? After all, as many terrorists find safe harbor in these countries as find it in Lebanon. |
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What, exactly, would Israel do (seriously)? IIRC, they really don’t have the long-range bombing capability to take out Iran’s nuclear program, or at least to have the planes they send to have enough fuel to return to Israel, and that’s with flying over Iraq. They have a squadron of F15 Strike Eagles that will make it and back, and then there are the ubiquitous "cruise missiles", which, naturally, only fly one way. It’s one of the reasons the Iranians wanted the TOR M-1 ADA system from Russia. |
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McQ
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So when do we invade Pakistan? And what about Saudi Arabia? After all, as many terrorists find safe harbor in these countries as find it in Lebanon. When they’re not engaged in trying to do something about it themselves (which, of course, both are).
Gee MK, I was sure even you could figure that out. |
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McQ
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"fetid calumny"?? man! i thought I was pretentious.... |
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When Hamas was elected to govern Palestine I was cautiously optimistic that, in a perverse way, the responsibilities of governance would moderate its extemism. Unfortunately, that hasn’t happened and now Hamas is back where it is most comfortable — engaging in anti-Israel violence. I had also hoped that Israel would make an extra effort to avoid military counter-measures, even if justified, simply in an attempt to force Hamas to stay in the uncomfortable position of actual leadership. That hasn’t happened either. I, for one, am worried.
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David Shaughnessy
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I believe I may only now be comprehending something (and I admit to being slow).
I’ve seen (usually snarky) comments in several posts along the lines of, "What about MidEast country X?" or "Terror is not a country." Do anti-Iraq-war commenters understand that the administration is executing a modified Wolfowitz plan, actually made into policy, and that Iraq is just the first part? Did you listen to the speeches and discussions in 2003 about the larger plan?
There is no way to go back to previous MidEast policies now. Even if an anti-war administration is elected on a platform of pulling out troops immediately, they will reverse that promise once in office. The most they can realistically do is slow the plan down, with the military still engaged to some degree, until another administration is elected or the U.S. is hit again by terrorists.
If you are concerned about innocents in the Middle East, and rightly so, and believe that Iraq will plunge into civil war, that every death generates more terrorists, and that the Middle East will hate the U.S. even more because of Iraq, then you should be hoping that the U.S. succeeds as quickly as possible. Have you considered what is going to happen if these newly-minted terrorists, filled with U.S.-hatred, begin demonstrating sustained attacks within the U.S. while hiding among the innocent Middle Eastern population? America will not go gentle into that good night, regardless of the President’s party.
By all means, hold the administration’s feet to the fire. Berate them for mistakes made, let them know you are watching every move. But dear Lord, don’t actually hope that we will lose. |
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I’m being a broken record on this, but it’s time for Israel to unleash Operation: You Die Now and get all scarface on them.
Its way past time. |
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MK Ultra,
Pakistan has lost 600 soldiers fighting Taliban types in their lands. I think you can give them some small credit for that. Same with Saudi Arabia which after a slow, slow, slow start ended up killing many AQ leaders in gun battles. |
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When they’re not engaged in trying to do something about it themselves (which, of course, both are).
Gee MK, I was sure even you could figure that out. Trying to do something about it? Just what the h*ll do you think is going on in Lebanon? After all, what was the Cedar Revolution all about? Why do you think Hariri was killed?
Because there is an active opposition to Hezbollah that is doing its best to disarm and disempower Hezbollah. Hariri was its symbolic leader. To suggest that there are not forces in Lebanon actively seeking to bring about the demise of Hezbollah and the influence of Syria is demonstrate an appalling ignorance of the politics of Lebanon.
The only difference between Lebanon on the one hand and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on the other is that the latter two countries export their terrorists to neighbors while Lebanon’s stay closer to home.
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"So when do we invade Pakistan? And what about Saudi Arabia? After all, as many terrorists find safe harbor in these countries as find it in Lebanon." Warmongers like MK, calling for the deaths of more of our troops in unilateral actions in the Middle East, make me sick.
[sarcasm/humor alert]
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Robert Fulton
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as far as the comparison between pakistan and india goes it’s pretty logical to assume that the terrorist came from pakistan to setup the attack but they could have easily flew in from any other country or even been citizens of india. But the rockets hitting israel weren’t launched from china i can garuntee that. |
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Do anti-Iraq-war commenters understand that the administration is executing a modified Wolfowitz plan, actually made into policy, and that Iraq is just the first part? Did you listen to the speeches and discussions in 2003 about the larger plan? That plan being the democratization of the Mid East. The regimes of countires X, Y and Z oppose this. X, Y and Z are assisting the insurgency. X, Y and Z are not becoming democratic. That plan is not being executed or is being carried out so poorly that it makes no difference.
Hoping for victory is well and truly overrated as a tool for solving problems. Either apply force like mkultra sarcasticly suggested or disavow any involvement in regime modification & get out like Robert Fulton sarcasticly rebutted. |
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That plan being the democratization of the Mid East. The regimes of countires X, Y and Z oppose this. X, Y and Z are assisting the insurgency. X, Y and Z are not becoming democratic. That plan is not being executed or is being carried out so poorly that it makes no difference. I understand your position. However, the planned democratization takes place over 1 to 3 generations, and has always involved force up front. It wasn’t planned that extremists and regimes in countries X, Y and Z would simply capitulate and accept democracy. It was expected that extremists would be extreme, then encounter a different and deadlier power balance in the region. Thus it was said, to the chagrin of many, "Bring it on." For example, in response to extremists doing the predictable, it’s now looking like Israel may remove regime X by itself.
I don’t propose that it’s a wonderful plan. It’s obviously a risky plan and certainly a violent one. But once execution of it began, the tenuous power balance negotiated for decades in the region was shattered. Saddam’s military was a very large piece of that balance that is now gone. Things can’t go back to the way they were. Regardless of whether one was for or against the war, a U.S. defeat and withdrawal at this point could get more innocents killed than any other outcome. Thus, those who wish for a U.S. defeat to bring about peace don’t make sense to me. |
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Lebanon, what a beautiful and truly spectacular country with the entire meaning of the word. Lebanese people have suffered and been through so much in order to find peace and democracy.
It was conflict between different mafia groups as I like to call them that generated the the uprising of the civil war, later on Syria stepped in with its hidden agenda prettending to care for the welafre of the Lebanese people when in actual fact they killed more Lebanese people than the mafia or militia groups ever did. And they sill do. To this very day they cause great conflict. Hezbollah are funded by Syria and Iran.
They DO NOT represent Lebanon and the Lebanese people who strive to regain peace and prosperity in their land. Many have fled their beloved country in search of a safe country to live in just as I have.
To watch my great country and its people being victimised and going through even more hardship after many years of brutal war shakes me to my very being. After it was described by many great leaders’ of the world who visited its shores as the "paris of the middle east". It hurts to see a small minority of ’idiots’ who are uncontrollable taking over the weak government who can not put a stop to their insane acts of revenge and hatred. It is such a ridiculous saying they have when they say to one another "peace be with you" when they go against everything that means peace
when did war ever accomplish anything but distruction, murder, hatred and pain for all sides involved.
To my beautiful country and its people I LOVE YOU and I pray that God watches over you and puts an end to the pain you have suffered and have to go through again. From the bottom of my heart I hope the stupid people on either side put an end to the pain and misery they are casuing you because only they can prevent further distruction!!!
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Jessica H
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Because there is an active opposition to Hezbollah that is doing its best to disarm and disempower Hezbollah. Hariri was its symbolic leader. To suggest that there are not forces in Lebanon actively seeking to bring about the demise of Hezbollah and the influence of Syria is demonstrate an appalling ignorance of the politics of Lebanon. Yet Hezbollah is part of the governing class in Lebanon, and they use Lebanon as a base to launch attacks on Israel.
What would we do if PRI had a militia arm that launched missles into the US and raided the US killing and kidnapping US citizens & soldiers? |
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Don
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