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Hate Speech
Posted by: Jon Henke on Tuesday, July 18, 2006

Media Matters is beginning a new campaign...
Hate has no place on the airwaves
[...]
We, the undersigned, urge the media to stop allowing these hate merchants to spread their venom and abuse. America deserves to hear honest, reasoned debate, not rants from professional hatemongers.
Sweet! I'd love to see more civil discourse. Although, I'm not entirely sure that Media Matters has thought this all the way through...
"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for..." — Howard Dean, Democratic Party Chairman
Be a real shame to see him go, but rules are rules...
 
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We, the undersigned, urge the media to stop allowing these hate merchants to spread their venom and abuse.
YEAAH, because the way to stop speech you don’t like is to censor it...


Are they really that blind to think that those people are the only people spewing "venom and abuse" on the airwaves??
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for..." — Howard Dean, Democratic Party Chairman
Be a real shame to see him go, but rules are rules...
I know it will irritate others imitating a noted extremist, hatemonger, but all I have to say is: heh!
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://
Yes Lance, extremist indeed! Think of the puppies!!

I bet there will be some moaning over that one.
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
Silencing the Hatriots across the globe - good luck to a worthy cause.
 
Written By: Matt
URL: http://www.happybunny.awestores.com/
Rubbish.

I hate commies of every stripe, and I don’t apologize for it.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
I note that there only CONSERVATIVES on this list... doesn’t Randi Rhodes or the fellow from Law and Order: Meter Maids make it?
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
When I first glanced at the names of the signatories, I was encouraged to find Shawn Hammity and Donald Duck among them. Unfortunately, most of the other names I found appear to be legit.
 
Written By: Xrlq
URL: http://xrlq.com/
Glenn Beck and Melanie Morgan? Who are these people? I am obviously out of touch with our fellow hate mongers. I would delve into it at Media Matters just to catch up on the zeitgeist, but I just can’t make myself.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://
I’ve listened to Glenn Beck once or twice. I would not have classified him as similar to Ms. Coulter, but I’m sure someone will trot around to give us examples. MK?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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I would not have classified him as similar to Ms. Coulter, but I’m sure someone will trot around to give us examples. MK?


Well IF one attacks Hillary, Bill or Nancy Pelosi one is a "Conservative" and therefore a HATEMONGER. Vote "R" or criticize the "D" Party you are suspect....this is not brain surgery Mark.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
I’ve listened to Glenn Beck once or twice. I would not have classified him as similar to Ms. Coulter, but I’m sure someone will trot around to give us examples. MK?
I’ll take you up on that, Mr. Flacy.

Anybody wanna’ take book?

Glenn Beck on Hillary Clinton:
Yes. I think we may have found our Antichrist and our next president.
Glenn Beck on Katrina victims:
And that’s all we’re hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we’re seeing on television are the scumbags
Glenn Beck on illegal immigrants:
The people who are really breaking the law are the companies that are trying to get rich on the — you know, let me ask you something. Somebody comes across the border in the middle of the night, why are they doing that? Really, three reasons: One, they’re terrorists; two, they’re escaping the law; or three, they’re hungry. They can’t make a living in their own dirtbag country.
Dude? Do we really need to go on?
No, no. Wait. I take that back. You’re right, one shouldn’t classify him as similar to Ms. Coulter. Ann Coulter is more popular.

 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Yeah Pogue that’s certainly HATRED, there...
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Those are examples of off color humor but not hate. Not comparable at all to either Coulter and Savage on the right or Rhodes or Rall on the left.
 
Written By: kyle N
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
Coulter and Savage: nationally broadcast hatemongers, syndicated by megacorporations.

Rhodes, Rall: Air America, indie weeklies.

Yes, same thing.

That’s the kind of thinking that looks at the moon and looks at an egg and concludes they’re one and the same because dammit they’re both round.

By the way, that Dean comment you cited. It wouldn’t be after several years of ongoing hate speech pounded out by the GOP and their pals in the media, would it? And again Jon espouses this theory that liberals should just sit there and take it.
 
Written By: Oliver
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
Ah so two wrongs make a right is that the argument you are advancing Oliver?
Or is it that three lefts do?

And as for Air America being "indie,"... hmm, I’m not so sure about that. While they may not be owned by a megacorp, they are most assuredly still owned. Their puppetmaster has just hidden the strings more successfully than Viacom, General Electric, Disney, etc.

And Coulter writes only one column a week and an appearance once or twice a month on tv. This makes her, as far as I understand the term, a "weeklie" just like Rhodes and Rall.

If liberals still want to claim the moral highground and be known as the anointed instead of the benighted, then they will have to do better than mudslinging with right-wingers and then claiming that, "they started it!"
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://
Links, Pogue, links, if you don’t mind.

And I ain’t speaking German, either. You’re left enough.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
URL: http://
Pogue!
Dude? Do we really need to go on?
Dude, what Hizbollah says about Israel? That’s hate. The stuff you quoted is just show business. Unless you’re arguing that Glenn Beck actually believes that Hillary Clinton is the actual spawn of Satan. Perhaps it’s possible— I’ve never heard of him— but somehow I doubt it.

Oliver!
And again Jon espouses this theory that liberals should just sit there and take it.
Take what, exactly? Ever hear the nursury rhyme about "sticks and stones"? Well your mother was right: words will never hurt you. All of the sticks and stones you throw back are just grist for your opponents’ mill, fodder for Malkin’s next book. But truth be told, you might as well just keep on keeping on, because it’s probably too late to do your party any good. At least not until the war on terror is over.

yours/
peter.
 
Written By: Peter Jackson
URL: http://www.liberalcapitalist.com
Well, Peter, words do hurt their self-esteem, which is all important to mal-nars...
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
By the way, that Dean comment you cited. It wouldn’t be after several years of ongoing hate speech pounded out by the GOP and their pals in the media, would it?

Well, he specifically refered to hating Republicans and their policies, rather than "Republicans and their hate" ... but maybe! Don’t stop believing! Or rationalizing. Whatever.
And again Jon espouses this theory that liberals should just sit there and take it.
As opposed to Media Matters’ campaign to get the Right to just sit there and take it?
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Take what? There’s no liberal in any sort of media position to give a darn thing to the right.

Coulter makes about 3-4 appearances per week on television, by the way. Which is about 3-4 more than any liberal is afforded.
 
Written By: Oliver
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
Oliver perhaps we disagree regarding the definition of liberal. From my point of view there are quite a few high profile libs (or leftists) in the media. Or is Alan Colmes just a paid actor pretending to be a leftist as some have charged? How about Katie Couric or Matt Lauer? The entire cast of the View? Bill Moyers and Walter Cronkite are still clanking around. How about Paul Krugman, the most read columnist in America? The list is quite long. Unless of course you believe that all of these people are Democrats in Name Only and really are little more than Repbulican puppets?

And I’m not really much of a Coulter fan so I don’t keep track of her media appearances, but as a rule I don’t see her more than about once a week unless she is promoting a book.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://
Let’s not forget Hardball host Chris Matthews, former speech writer for Jimmy Carter...

Guess he’s not an authentic enough liberal.

But you know, there are plenty of sites devoted to counting and keeping score on "balance."

How about someone define what "hate speech" is, or isn’t?
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
Hate speech is like porno. You know it when you see it. But not everybody will agree that what you saw was it.

 
Written By: cindyb
URL: http://
Then why all the rhetoric in opposition to it.

"Bad" speech/ideas should be countered with "good" speech/ideas. That’s the price of free speech.

Frankly, I’ve yet to hear any actual incidents of a blog fan taking inflametory rhetoric seriously and putting it into action. Doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, or wont in the future.

In fact, the only ones who seem to be enacting actual violence are the far left groups such as the anarchists, ALF, ELF and such. I’m sure someone will be able to find some obscure incident of some right wing nut job going off on someone, or raising their voice outside an office. But that aint what we’re talking about is it.

But really, if "hate speech" is in the eye of the beholder, what’s to prevent anyone from taking offense at pratically anything.

And if we can’t offend anyones sensibilities, it would be a very boring world to live in.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
Or is Alan Colmes just a paid actor pretending to be a leftist as some have charged?
Colmes is the pundit version of the Washington Generals. He’s put up to make Hannity good. If I had a nickel for every time he started a sentence with "you have a point, Sean" I’d have an buttload of nickels.

How about Katie Couric or Matt Lauer?
Blow dried anchorboy and anchorgirl who are in the business of "balance" and not actually asking anything insightful. Regular perpetrators of the "everybody does it" school of journalism.

Chris Matthews is in this school as well. Actually, worse - he said anyone who didn’t like Bush was a "real nutcase". Doesn’t sound like any sort of liberal to me.

The entire cast of the View?
I’ve never watched the show, but I’m aware that the most outspoken on the show, politically is Elisabeth Hasselbeck - a hardcore Republican who gave a speech at the GOP convention.

Bill Moyers and Walter Cronkite are still clanking around.
Moyers had a show on PBS that was shunted off to late nights on Fridays. Cronkite was known for journalistic objectivity, and even as he began giving his POV on issues, he has no national platform.

How about Paul Krugman, the most read columnist in America?
I’m not sure where you get that measure of Krugman, but even to read him on the web requires a subscription. The NY Times also publishes Brooks and Tierney on the right and the anti-Clinton Dowd.

See what I mean? The only liberal who has been given a shot by the MSM in recent years was Phil Donahue. His show was the highest rated regular programming MSNBC ever had. It was cancelled because MSNBC felt they weren’t pro-war enough.
 
Written By: Oliver
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
Oliver,

You have convinced me. The media is a repository of reactionary, Republican leaning, hate talking, right wingers. Thanks for enlightening us.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://
GLINDA
Then close your eyes, and tap your heels together three times.

OLIVER clicks them together three times —- Glinda waves her wand — Oliver closes his eyes — the scene darkens behind him —

GLINDA
And think to yourself — "There’s no place like home; there’s no place like home; there’s no place like home."

OLIVER (thinking real hard)
There’s no place like home. There’s no place like home. There’s no place like home. There’s no place like home.

 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
I like the substance free answers. I also like the con mindset that saying "liberal bias" over and over and over somehow makes something true.
 
Written By: Oliver
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
Of course you don’t see it from all the way over there on the far left. Nearly everyone is to the right of you.

No matter.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
But really, if "hate speech" is in the eye of the beholder, what’s to prevent anyone from taking offense at pratically anything.
Keith,

I don’t know where you live but in my world people are always taking offense at the most ridiculous things. That includes who made coffee last and who always parks where. I put a lot of energy into only upsetting people when I mean to upset them.

This is what it takes to live on a planet with 6.5 billion people.
 
Written By: cindyb
URL: http://
If I have to go through life worrying about not upseting 6,499,999,999 people, well, I’d never get anything done.

If my speech offends thee, turn thy ear...

Hey, Oliver, why don’t you correct your own misinformation.

"Life-saving stem cell research"

Has embryonic stem cell research saved any lives yet? Are there any treatments yet from it?

I know that adult stem cells, and umbilical stem cells show great promise, but at the moment, it takes a great deal of FAITH to claim that embryonic stem cell research is "life saving."

At least, from what I last read, last time this issue came up.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
Thank you Keith, speaking of one of the ’big lies’,
if I see or hear

"President vetoes bill to allow stem cell research!"
one more time I’m gonna hurl.

 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Mr. Willis is an excellent example of a dweller in Liberal Lalaland. No fact that is inconsistent with the Liberal Narrative (LN) is a fact. The well-documented liberal bias of the MSM cannot be a fact as that would conflict with the LN position that the only reason that non-liberals exist is that they are walled off from the facts by the MSM.
I paid one last visit to the blog of a leftist (who shall be nameless out of respect for the sensibilities of those present) to point out, with working links, that Reuters had carried a story about Hezbollah threatening to attack the U.S. at home and abroad, on the very same day that the host had claimed that Hezbollah was not an enemy of the U. S. at all.
To me, such a black and white example was a clear indication that the host of the blog was not a credible pundit, absent a correction. Not so. Ala Mr. Willis, the liberal lalalanders who inhabit the site merely stated that Hezbollah, despite it’s threats, had not ACTUALLY attacked us and therefore I was a fraidy cat under the sway of McBushHitler to regard them as enemies. The logical end to that position is that if someone threatens to kill you, you should remain sanguine until they actually do so. Reason on any given point must give way to the LN. See Mr. Willis’ analysis above.
He believes in the LN and therefore, to him, the above statements are a true representation of the facts on the matter concerned. After all, in the liberal bubble, they are perfectly well accepted.
So why don’t those outside the bubble accept these "facts"? Why, they are walled off from the truth by the MSM - see the LN. Or, in the alternative, they refuse to see the truth because they are under the sway...
So, do we have two valid, conflicting points of view? No. One view is fixed. The LN. All facts inconsistent with the LN sway to and fro, depending on the needs of the day (such swaying can be verified by consulting the past statements of those defending the LN). Yes, the LN changes from time to time as the burden of carrying false facts gets too heavy, which complicates things. However, any rational observer not precommitted to maintaining the LN can determine the nature of the LN and proceed accordingly.

 
Written By: Robert Fulton
URL: http://
Oliver, your evaluation of the journalists I listed gives me a bit more insight as to your politics. The most enlightening comment was the bit about Maureen Dowd.

I think I can safely pigeonhole you as a fervent Clintonite. I suspect that James Carville and Paul Begala probably represent the left and right hands of the lord, so to speak (Clinton being, of course, the lord).

Maureen Dowd is about as left wing as you get and has been fervently, frothing at the mouth anti-Bush.

Walter Cronkite (despite advanced age) is still probably the most influential journalist in the US (at least for people over 40). Everybody over 40 grew up with Walter and he speaks TRUTH.

If you think little Liz Hasselbeck is the most outspoken member of The View, then yes, obviously you have not seen the program. Some of her fairly recent comments lead me to believe that she’s more of a center-right type than a die hard GOP’er.

Krugman is an economist. Of course you have to pay to read him. ;)

I’ve heard the arguments about Alan Colmes before and I think they are just plain wrong. Colmes can and has been a very tough interviewer and a firm advocate of mainstream leftist positions (have you read his book?). Although Hannity’s personality is certainly the more dominant of the two, Colmes is the better interviewer and editorialist.

Moyers is the patron saint of PBS and NPR. Although he doesn’t enjoy the audience that he used to, the fact that he’s still on the air shows how much pull he has.

Chris Matthews is another one we disagree on. He is a diehard leftist from (as
Keith pointed out) the Carter administration. If you believe he’s just as much of a Ken Doll as Matt Lauer, read his books! I assure you he is a true champion of leftist positions, despite the Bush comment.

If anybody named above is nothing but a hack, it’s the one guy you seem to like, Phil Donahue. I don’t necessarily have a problem with Phil’s political views (anymore than the basic problems I have with all leftist positions), but to claim this two bit Jerry Springer clone is the left’s sole champion in the MSM is just too much moonbattiness.

Although exorcised from HBO, one person you haven’t mentioned is Bill Maher. Although tight with she who must not be named, he is still very much a die hard leftist.

And how about Jon Stewart and Dave Letterman? Flakes? Yes, but still very identifiable leftist who are major media figures. Nearly 25% of the country gets their news from The Daily Show. And have you seen Stewart’s flying off the ropes take-down of Tucker Carlson? The guy has some pop for a comedian.

 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://
Fulton: Rarely have so many words been used to say nothing. I back up what I’m contending. You’ve chosen to invent brand new acronyms in order to justify your faulty mindset.

Others: If Maureen Dowd, whose columns I find turgid and unfunny, is as left wing as you can get, well you’re not very much to the left. She doesn’t like Bush but she didn’t like Clinton either. Dowd is more of a bratty kid who thinks she’s smart than any sort of ideologue.

Alan Colmes is useless, except maybe as an ashtray. He lets Hannity dominate the show (and while I loathe everything Hannity stands for, he is an excellent broadcaster).

When was the last time Walter Cronkite was on TV for something other than yet another reminisce of the old days? And how strident is his supposed liberalism? I think Joe Lieberman is a more partisan person than Cronkite.

Actually, Moyers isn’t on the air regularly, and when he was his program was buried.

Yes, Chris Matthews the diehard leftist who thinks Bush has a "sunny nobility" and compared him to Santa Claus.

Donahue isn’t able to push anyone’s cause because as I noted above, his program was the highest rated on MSNBC yet it was cancelled. Even when he had his show, he often had to play more the role of moderator than advocate.

Liberals do not get the chances afforded to the conservatives. I like Maher but frankly he has more in common politically with Jon Henke than any Democrat. Yes, Stewart is liberal but how often does Letterman talk politics, except when served up a big fat one like O’Reilly?

The MSM enables big media perches for O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc. while none of the leeway is given to liberals, let alone strongly partisan liberals (almost always they have to pledge to trash Dems or play the role of the non-partisan). Conservative programs on TV like Glenn Beck, Joe Scarborough, and Dennis Miller are allowed to exist with low ratings for endless amounts of time when the odd liberal who gets a shot had better get Superbowl numbers and maybe he or she gets to come back the following week.

And for the folks who keep saying I’m so far left, I support the death penalty, middle class tax cuts, the Afghan war, the first Gulf war, and the wars in the Balkans. You remind me of the people who claim every year, no matter if its Bill Clinton, Al Gore, or John Kerry that the Democrats have nominated someone from the faaaaar left.
 
Written By: Oliver
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
Commentators make money marketing "hate"; others use "hate" for political effect. The increasing vitriole of political discourse at all levels is something that should be of concern to all.

Censorship isn’t the answer but deciding not to listen isn’t censorship. And, agreeing not to do it yourself isn’t censorship either.

Children listen. And, children watch what we do. The lessons we are teaching are not good ones.

It is time to "stop the hate."

CG2
 
Written By: Claire Gastanaga
URL: http://changeservant.blogspot.com
Oliver
By MSM you must think MSM refers to Fox News.
Hardly the traditional interpretation.
Remember the good old days when we could only hear and see CBS, NBC, ABC or their radio affiliates and they could tell us what to think without contradication? (heh, maybe you don’t....)




 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Oliver : Dowd is a leftist feminist. While not exactly a radical (and yeah I agree she is a bit bratty), she certainly cannot be considered even remotely conservative.

And again, you fail to mention Krugman, who is a neo-Keynesian socialist. Even though he considers being called a socialist to be slander.

Your main complaint here seems to be that liberals don’t get a chance to take shots at conservatives. I disagree and have pointed out that leftists do get plenty of shots and when they get these shots, liberals and leftists most assuredly DO take them. And no I don’t confuse anti-Bushism with anti-conservatism. I’m just pointing out that the left has more than its fair share of advocates who are very popular and very very anti-conservative.

PS If we can exapand a bit beyond the TV world and get into print, are these folks sufficiently leftist to please you : The Nation (in particular David Corn), The New Republic, Mother Jones, virtually all of the op-ed’s of the LA Times, George, etc.

PPS I never accused you of being far left. I simply said you were a Clintonite. Begalla, Carville, and, of course, the man himself tend to be left-center types, not radicals.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://
Like I pointed out earlier, yes Krugman is a liberal. Who is "balanced" by Brooks and Tierney. To say he is afforded some sort of extra-special platform is nonsense.

The Nation - yes, TNR - pro war apologists, Mother Jones, etc. are all good liberal mags. George no longer exists, and hasn’t for about 15 yrs. How often are folks from The Nation, American Prospect and even TNR invited on the agenda setting Sunday talk shows, however? Not nearly as much as conservative columnists (Brooks, Safire) and representatives of conservative opinion mags (Weekly Standard, National Review, etc.).
 
Written By: Oliver
URL: http://oliverwillis.com
I see a fair number of the NPR folks appearing regularly as do regularly syndicated columnists from LA Times and the great grey lady.

As for TNR, I see you are firmly in Kos’ camp regarding Peretz, Beinart, and the TNR staff, eh Oliver? ;)
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://
Lets apply the Oliver standard to neo-nazis and the KKK. Since they have very little viewership or any sort of media position, You can not criticize them for the things they say or call it hate speech.
 
Written By: Paul L.
URL: http://kingdomofidiots.blogspot.com/
Your assumption that NPR = liberal is faulty to the max. How the heck is an impartial NPR person supposed to balance a movement conservative? I’m in the camp that TNR, a supposedly liberal magazine, supported a stupid stupid stupid war that even Republicans have come to regret.
 
Written By: Oliver
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
So to dispel the idea that NPR is liberal, you quote Media Matters? Ok, for a list of equally long (and equally biased) arguments that NPR IS in fact liberal, check out Brent Bozell’s Media Research Center. Search for NPR related articles. There are over 500.

As for TNR, yep that puts you in the "party loyalist" Kos camp alright.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
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