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Well to an extent I’d agree, BUT I’d note that the collapse of the Soviet Union put paid to the IRA and a host of European terror groups. Whent he paymaste disappears the readicals remain, but have no guns or Semtex. So, IF bombing would create regime change in Iran, don’t discout it. |
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The one thing this nation doesn’t need is an expanded role in the fighting in the ME. Not no fast on that one. It’s going to come to us eventually, it may be better to take it on while the terms may be more favorable to us, than for example, if the opposition is armed with nukes. |
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I think this sums up the situation quite well...
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060720/OPINION02/307200016
I think we should take a hard tack with Iran, if we find direct proof of involvement, get some tough sanctions through the Security Council (to start with.)
Syria needs to be persuaded that their future lies in seperating their politics from Irans needs. |
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mcq said:But not all wars are won exclusively through military action true, but all wars possessing an element of islamofacism should be. to prove me wrong, please provide the list of successful counterexamples.
i used to be neocon, but then (like you) have an expectation of short term bad mojo. however, this is a pill i’d rather swallow now. call it a bird in the hand philosophy.
of course, the arrival of the 12th imam could negate all this. |
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Bombing alone hasn’t caused a regime change anywhere but Spain. If we turn this into a regional war our oil supplies will be threatened. At minimum, oil prices double. That spells recession here at home. This administration has yet to demonstrate that its knows how to bring peace anywhere. Perhaps we should finish Afganistan and Iraq before attacking Syria and Iran. That is what is known as strategy. Thus far, even when we win militarily we seem to be able to turn it into something that looks, feels and costs a lot like losing. We will make more enemies that friends if we get into this one. Get ready for draft if we hop in.
We have no dog in this fight.
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war our oil supplies will be threatened. At minimum, oil prices double. That spells recession here at home. V.We have no dog in this fight. Huh, doesn’t your post contradict itself CindyB? Please elaborate and expand. Otherwise, thank you for your input and please feel free to come again. |
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I’ll use small words for you, Joe.
If we get involved, Iran will get involved and our oil supplies will be threatened. Then we have a dog in a very big fight. That fight would be over oil and not Israel.
If we stay out of Israel v Hezbollah, Iran will not threaten our oil supplies, (knowing that we will get involved if they do). Israel is not acting in our best interest. What ever the outcome their action, the US will be no better off. That is why I say we have no dog in that fight.
We can only be worse off if we intervene. |
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And more likely than not it would strengthen internal support for the mullahs, not facilitate "regime change". Unless, of course, we pick our targets intelligently and the mullahs wind up dead.
yours/ peter. |
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Actaully then we DO have a dog in the fight, don’t we? We only don’t if any outcome really has little or NO effect on us, as the fighting in Yugoslavia in the 1990’s had no effect on the US. It would have had an effect on Greece, Turkey, and Italy, but not the US.
No Israel is acting in ITS best interest, however it can be plausibly argued that our interests coincide. Why did oil spike at USD 78 per barrel neither Israel nor Hezbollah have oil, BUT one of the interested parties does. So it does behoove the US to see Iran AND Hezbollah changed.... |
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I think we should try everything short of complete appeasement before engaging in direct military action. Sanctions still sounds like the best solution. Iran is not such an isolated country that they are invulnerable to sanctions. You destroy their economy, and the Ahmadinejad regime goes down with it. While it may seem that it is impossible to get Russia and China to go along, I think we can convince them that the alternative is a U.S. led strike on Iran. At the end of the day, its frankly not what they want |
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And does anyone suppose that if we strike Iran, they won’t do their level best to destabalize even further a very fragile Iraq? Are you implying that they are not currently doing their best to destabilize Iraq? That they are just making a half-hearted effort now? |
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Are you implying that they are not currently doing their best to destabilize Iraq? That they are just making a half-hearted effort now? Yes. |
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