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NATO and Afghanistan: The shape of things to come?
Posted by: McQ on Monday, July 31, 2006

In a change of command in southern Afghanistan, NATO officially took over the fight in that area. Committed for the first time in its history, NATO is about as far away from the North Atlantic as it can get. But given the abysmal record of the UN in these sorts of situations, I'd much rather give NATO its first chance completely out of sight of any significant body of water than give another UN force the chance to botch it all up.
NATO forces have formally taken control of military operations in southern Afghanistan from the US-led coalition which overthrew the Taleban in 2001.

The chief of US-led coalition forces symbolically handed over command at a ceremony in a dusty airfield near the southern city of Kandahar.

[...]

In an interview with the BBC, Lt Gen Richards said under his leadership, Isaf forces would be "taking the fight into the depths of the provinces".

He said counter-insurgency efforts were a "critical part of the reconstruction effort", and warned insurgents that "the writing's on the wall... they won't succeed".
If and when the Israeli/Hezbollah conflict winds down and the peacekeeping force is approved, any guess as to which organization Israel would like to see in place in southern Lebanon? How about Hezbollah's choice?
 
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Quagmire...Dusty Graveyard of Empires...Dooooom...War for Natural Gas...Brutal Afghan Winter....Where’s Usama...Why Usama, why not Saudi Arabia?

Hah got in quick on this one!
 
Written By: Joe
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My vote is Israel -> NATO

Hezbollah -> The keystone kops over at the UN

Honestly, the Marx Brothers could have done better than some of the UN’s "peacekeeping forces." Rwanda anyone?
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
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Honestly, the Marx Brothers could have done better than some of the UN’s "peacekeeping forces." Rwanda anyone?
Heh.
If only the same contempt would be held for the Bush Administration’s post invasion Iraq.

Talk about “keystone kops”.
All Bush needs to do is award Kofi Annan the Medal of Freedom and all actors involved would be screaming for NATO.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Feeling your pain, Pogue. You never know about that Medal of Freedom. Stranger things have happened.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
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Sigh. Yes, Mr. Mahone, Kerry would have been a much better choice. Then we could all be currently piously wondering why "diplomacy" was not more effective in the ME and shuffling along to a modern version of the holocaust at the hands of the jihadists.
Instead, we have grappled with the problem and our learning curve (admittedly at some cost) is progressing nicely. If your ilk is clever enough, you can learn (something that would not have been possible if the failed policies of the past had been continued) how to actually deal with problems in the ME and put forth some leaders who can be effective in dealing with same. I, myself, could admire and support a movement that would be clever enough to do that - even while they are decrying the indadequacy of the Bush administration, the source of the learning.
Unfortunately, your ilk represents [apparently] the slowest learners around. Even the Bushies are quicker. Sad. But, hey, hang in there. I think you are ridiculous for praising a perfect nothing instead of a problematic something...or have you put forth some alternatives other than "Kerry could have done better" or "diplomacy is better" or other similar vacuous, failed policies?
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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...or have you put forth some alternatives other than "Kerry could have done better" or "diplomacy is better" or other similar vacuous, failed policies?
Robert, I’ve challenged them before, and gotten nowhere. As I mentioned in comments on those threads, their unwillingness to offer alternatives or metrics for what they would consider success means they’re just carping. They want the respect of being seen as serious debaters on the topic of the Iraq conflict, but they do not want the responsibility for laying out any position that would be exposed to comparison against the real world.

So I give their point of view no respect. Until they are ready to move beyond carping and offer something of substance to say, they don’t deserve any.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Sigh. Yes, Mr. Mahone, Kerry would have been a much better choice.
Uh…!? Mr. Fulton. Why would holding contempt for the Bush administration’s failures in Iraq equal an endorsement for the Jr. Senator from Massachusetts?
Then we could all be currently piously wondering why "diplomacy" was not more effective in the ME and shuffling along to a modern version of the holocaust at the hands of the jihadists.
So, what you are saying is that if Kerry were elected, we would have a modern holocaust on our hands? Possess supernatural powers, do we Mr. Fulton. Wow.

I think you are ridiculous for praising a perfect nothing instead of a problematic something...or have you put forth some alternatives other than "Kerry could have done better" or "diplomacy is better" or other similar vacuous, failed policies?
Huh!?
What are you smoking, man? You’ll be kind enough to point to where I “praised” anything. You’ll be kind enough to point out where I stated that, “Kerry could have done better” or “diplomacy is better”. Won’t you, Mr. Fulton? You will be kind enough to do that.

This is exactly the problem. People like Mr. Fulton cannot accept criticism of the current administration without conflating that criticism with some sort of endorsement for John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, etc. etc.

And as for ideas, I’ve got a few. Starting with the resignation of the SoD.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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And as for ideas, I’ve got a few. Starting with the resignation of the SoD.
Sounds like Kerry, who happens to also have exactly no say in the matter.
 
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