This is somewhere between exceedingly difficult and impossible. On the national and state scale this is certainly true, but you might be able to get good data doing pilot projects on a local level. It shouldn’t be too hard to find two towns with similar populations, locations, industries, etc. Then raise the minimum wage in one for a trial period and see what happens. As long as you have a sufficiently large town, you might actually get some good data out of it.
Granted local programs have effects that don’t occur in larger regulatory systems (like people can easily cross the town line to avoid some laws they don’t like), but this is an experiment. If you see relocation to avoid the legislation, then it is adversely effecting some groups. |
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I don’t think anyone would seriously argue that raising the minimum wage to say - $20 an hour - would not cause unemployment. Of course it would (and it would also increase black market employment).
The matter is entirely one of degrees. A small minimum wage increase might see its effect swamped by the background noise of regular economic acitivity and thus wouldn’t be noticeable. |
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John,
I think that is exactly Jon’s point. |
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Russ Nelson, the "Angry Economist" has commented a couple of times about the difficulty of evaluating the effects of the minimum wage. In general, he says that the data is characterized by too much "noise", and a researcher cannot really isolate the results purely attributable to changes in the minimum wage.
Apologies to Russ if I have mischaracterized his thoughts on it.
http://angry-economist.russnelson.com/
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I’ve think there is a natural minimum wage.
In my labor market it seems that you really need to pay $8.00/ hour to get someone who can follow instructions reasonably well, speak up if something unexpected is going on, and will show up semi regularly. If you raise the minimum wage form $5.15 to $7.99, there will be not much effect on employment. Maybe McDonalds will hire fewer kids but I think they boost people who show up regularly to jobs over the minimum wage quickly.
Once you get over this natural minimum wage, you will see effects on either employment, prices or both.
If I’m right, that means all of the hubub in congress has just been so much hot air, and the arguments on both side have been only to play to one base or the other.
The minimum wage hasn’t been over the natural minimum wage in my lifetime. Perhaps one of the senior citizens on this site can tell us if it made any difference in the ’30s.
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What kills me is that there are still people out their that are trying to do these studies. When it comes to studying less politicized large complex phenomena, like, say meteorology, no one tries to deploy 500,000 weather balloons in an attempt to demonstrate that warm air actually holds less moisture than cold air. And any meteorologist that tried to would be laughed out of the field—unless, of course, there was some popular political theory requiring just such a phenomenon.
This is why, in my opinion, we have entire scientific establishments focused on co2 as a cause global warming even though water vapor traps more heat per unit and is up to 115 times more prevalent in the atmosphere. And just like minimum wage proponents, as their case gets more and more difficult to sustain, greenhouse theorists have scaled back their predictions to reside fully within the noise, making their hypothesis virtually impossible to rebut.
yours/ peter. |
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An economic effect — be it an increase in the minimum wage, a change in tax levels, or the effects of free trade — must be evaluated "After VS Otherwise". One could say the same thing about political/military actions, such as the invasion of Iraq.
It’s impossible to say for certain what conditions would be now absent an invasion. It is of course interesting and sometimes illuminating to speculate on such matters, as what-if or alternate history stories do, but to claim certain knowledge (as Howard Dean does) that X would never have occurred if action Y had never been undertaken is empty demagoguery at best.
I don’t mean to hijack the thread, just wanted to point out the amusing similarity. |
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The matter is entirely one of degrees. A small minimum wage increase might see its effect swamped by the background noise of regular economic acitivity and thus wouldn’t be noticeable. True, but then it wouldn’t do much good would it? And even if it was a big increase that somehow did not lead to unemployment (perhaps because of a rapidly booming economy), It would certainly lead to higher prices, thus negating itself. It really is a stupid idea, but thankfully it also doesn’t do all that much harm either. |
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In my labor market it seems that you really need to pay $8.00/ hour to get someone who can follow instructions reasonably well, speak up if something unexpected is going on, and will show up semi regularly. If you raise the minimum wage form $5.15 to $7.99, there will be not much effect on employment. If the employment market is already driving the wages up, then why raise the minimum wage? Wages are already being adjusted freely by the buyers and sellers of labor, no need for government to interfere.
But that’s not the point to Jon’s post. |
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Raising the minimum wage is simply political theater. I remember as a kid that minimum wage sucked in California, but I had friends in Arkansas who could move out of their parent’s house on the same wages! |
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I remember as a kid that minimum wage sucked in California, but I had friends in Arkansas who could move out of their parent’s house on the same wages!
And here we see the real problem with the national minimum wage, the costs to create the same standard of living vary nationwide.
I’m not overly fond of the minimum wage. It seems to be a government regulation that doesn’t do anything the market won’t do for you. But I also doubt the current increase is going to cause a lot of problems for most of the country. In my market, getting somewhat skilled labor costs $7-8 per hour. They aren’t raising the wage above what many workers are already earning. McDonalds, Walmart, and some building contractors may be in trouble, but the rest of the job market will do fine. I’m guessing most urban and suburban job markets are fairly similar to my own (at least until you get to cheaper living in parts of the midwest and west). |
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