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Respect the Primary!
Posted by: Jon Henke on Thursday, August 10, 2006

In the wake of the Democratic Primary to determine the candidate who would get the support of the Democratic Party, Howard Dean writes...
After his loss, Joe Lieberman announced his intention to run as an independent. That's the wrong thing to do.

Ned Lamont won fair and square. We have a process, and those who participate in it should respect the outcome. Joe Lieberman should respect the Democratic voters' decision. He has to do what all of us who have lost an election have done: support the winner.
This is wrong on so many levels, and yet other Dem-bloggers are leaping into this "call the game at half-time" game. No doubt they were furious — furious! — when Senator Jeffords failed to respect the Vermont voters decision and became an independent.

Here's a helpful civics lesson for our Democratic friends: the 'process' used to determine the State Senator is described by the 17th amendment, which says they are "elected by the people thereof", not by "the registed Democrats in a primary thereof". This primary has determined the Democratic Candidate, and Howard Dean and Party are obligated to respect that; the citizens and voters of Connecticut, however, are free to run or vote as they please.

Moreover, Joe Lieberman is "respect[ing] the outcome" of the primary. He's running as an Independent, rather than a Democrat.

I don't have much in the way of "skin in the game" for Lieberman. I don't think he's "right" about Iraq, although I think his brand of wrong may be less damaging than Lamont's. Other than that, though, there's just not a lot to recommend Joe Lieberman. As Radley Balko writes, Lieberman is...
...the prototypical David Broder candidate, a big government liberal who's willing to engage in magnanimous gestures of bipartisanship . . . on issues where Republicans also support big government. So he's cool with bombing and nation building, and state-sponsored health care. He's okay with government censorship of video games and cable TV, and heavy-handed regulation of business.

Golly. What a moderate!

In other words, he's wrong on every issue. He's a culture warrior, a values cop, a Nanny Statist, and a big government foreign policy hawk. He favors high taxes, and a massive welfare state. He's pro-pork, pro-status quo, and pro-business as usual.
Ultimately, however, that's all up to the voters of Connecticut...and not the Democratic Party.
 
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I’d take them seriously about this...

If they had respected Ralph Naders attempts to get on the ballot in 2004.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
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hehehehe....somebody on the Dem side did the math and noticed that they’re going to wind up throwing a significant amount of their limited resources into a blue on blue fight for a senate seat that was never in jeopardy in the first place.

I’m sure that they further noticed that every dollar, every volunteer sent to Lamont’s aid is one less to spend on a possible pickup.

And they know what it adds up to come November...
 
Written By: shark
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Lieberman LOST he should quit, UNLESS it’s Florida 2000, then he should fight...
 
Written By: Joe
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It seems to me that it’s Lieberman’s choice-not ours. If he wants to keep on trying, go ahead. But, if you don’t like him...it’s as simple as not voting for him!
 
Written By: Emma
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In fact, this is such an easy call that I’m almost vicariously embarrassed for Dean. Is anyone going to be taken in by this? It’s pathetic!
 
Written By: OrneryWP
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After his loss, Joe Lieberman announced his intention to run as an independent. That’s the wrong thing to do. ... We have a process, and those who participate in it should respect the outcome.

Keep in mind, Howard Dean, in his infinite wisdom as Chairman of the DNC, couldn’t bring the Vermont Democratic Party to respect the process and nominate a Democrat to run for Jefford’s Senate seat. Nope, Dean and the Vermont Democrats folded, aka refused to participate, and have hitched themselves to the Independent candidate, Bernie Sanders.
 
Written By: Fanny Allen
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I just want to pass this along via Instapundit...
BEST. LAMONT. SPIN. EVER. "The pro-Bush candidate just got 48% in a Democrat primary."
:)
 
Written By: shark
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Please note that moderate Congressman Joe Schwartz was defeated by a fundimentalist "conservative" in Michigan on the same primary day. It’s not just the dems who are turning on the moderates. It’s both parties. To the extent that you focus on the short comings of the Dems you are ignoring the short comings of the party in power, which because they are in power, is arguably the more serious problem.

 
Written By: cindyb
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So is Schwartz going to run as an independent???
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
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So the guy endorsed by the Club for Growth is now a Fundie-Christer Republican, CindyB?
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe Lieberman should respect the Democratic voters’ decision.
Howard Dean should respect the American voters’ decisions. Of course, that’s not about to happen.
 
Written By: Pablo
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Pablo, Dean means LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC Voter’s decisions...everyone else’s decisions are suspect, often engendered by Terror Plot Hoaxes or Diebold Election machines STEALING elections. In short, respect Democratic victories, all others can be challenged.
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe - that’s ok, the saviour of the Democrats Party personally backed by Mr Kos himself, is a RICH lilly white Liberal, who has the backing of all the other rich lilly white liberals in CT.

How come the only people the left can find to save the poor are so rich???
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
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Well, the 17th Amendment notwithstanding. Democrats qua Democrats can be expected to mount increasing pressure on Lieberman to abandon his Independent bid. As Greenwald writes over at Salon (you have to click through and ad) that pressure is already coming from other Senators and Party functionaries:
And a Lieberman bid will be burdened by serious problems beyond the public abandonment by his entire party. Some reports suggest that Lieberman "asked for, and received, resignations from his entire primary campaign team." But as Steve Benen reports, it is far more likely that these Democratic campaign consultants resigned in protest of Lieberman’s independent run, either on principle or because they cannot afford to be seen as working for a campaign that is opposing the nominated Democratic candidate. Either way, Lieberman has now lost virtually all of his senior campaign staff, and it will be very difficult for him to build a competent staff at this point — both because most consultants are already committed to other campaigns and because, as Markos Moulitsas warned, very few Democratic consultants will be willing to work with the outcast Lieberman campaign.
The main issue that caused Democrats to recoil from Lieberman was the belief that he is not loyal to his Party. Acting as a spoiler after losing in that Party’s primary, is not going to mend that breach; Democrats can be expected to exert increasing and seriously hostile pressure on Lieberman to drop out.
 
Written By: Mona
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Democrats can be expected to exert increasing and seriously hostile pressure on Lieberman to drop out.
And Republicans can only hope they do.
 
Written By: McQ
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Well Mona, IF Lieberman decides he doesn’t CARE what DEMOCRATS think, why would he quit? He’s not aiming to capture the DEMOCRATIC vote, he’s aiming for the Republican and Independent vote, of which he took 60-plus% of the Independents at his last run, and some where between 30-40% of the Republicans, in short he doesn’t NEED Democrats to win in CT, or not all of them, just SOME of them.
 
Written By: Joe
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McQ writes:
And Republicans can only hope they do.
Democrats don’t seem to think their attitude toward Lieberman is a negative, McQ. Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer are not stupid, and their public pressure on Lieberman has only begun, and I’m sure it is even more intense behind the scenes.

Joe writes:
Well Mona, IF Lieberman decides he doesn’t CARE what DEMOCRATS think,


You just don’t get it. Many Democrats think he already decided that, quite some time ago.
 
Written By: Mona
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Democrats don’t seem to think their attitude toward Lieberman is a negative, McQ.
I never intimated they did, Mona.
Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer are not stupid, and their public pressure on Lieberman has only begun, and I’m sure it is even more intense behind the scenes.
I’m sure it is, which has really nothing to do with Republicans hoping that politically the little drama plays out for quite some time.
 
Written By: McQ
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The NYT:
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, who had backed Mr. Lieberman in the primary, said she had donated $5,000 to Mr. Lamont’s campaign and suggested that she was prepared to campaign with him.
Bill Clinton, whose campaign appearance with Mr. Lieberman was described by the senator as an emotional turning point for his campaign, issued a statement affirming his support for the Democratic nominee.
Harry Reid of Nevada, the Senate Democratic leader, and Senator Charles Schumer of New York, the head of the Democratic committee for Senate candidates, described Mr. Lieberman’s loss as encouraging news for Democrats going into the fall elections.
And as the article details, Cheney and Tony Snow think Lieberman’s defeat is awful. Republicans think that for the same reason lots of Democrats, Independents and even some Republicans, do not.
 
Written By: Mona
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I know the Republican candidate for the seat is supposed to be a lamer (although he appears at least as qualified as Lamont), but if he wound up winning because Lieberman succeeds in splitting the Democratic vote, God, I don’t think I would ever stop laughing...

yours/
peter.
 
Written By: Peter Jackson
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Why would Lieberman quit? Why should he? The Democratic party has shunned him and he will win handily as an Independent. What’s wrong with that?
 
Written By: David Shaughnessy
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Republicans think that for the same reason lots of Democrats, Independents and even some Republicans, do not.
Well IF by some Republicans you mean Chuck Hagel, OK. But if you mean CT. Independents and Republicans, well they may vote for ole’ Joe, they did in 200.
 
Written By: Joe
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I know the Republican candidate for the seat is supposed to be a lamer (although he appears at least as qualified as Lamont), but if he wound up winning because Lieberman succeeds in splitting the Democratic vote, God, I don’t think I would ever stop laughing...
Peter: Or Lieberman wins as an Independent but is so disgsusted by the Democrats’ demonization of him that he caucuses with the Republicans.
 
Written By: David Shaughnessy
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Echoing what Jon posted from Radley Balko, over at Reason Tim Cavanagh describes Lieberman as “possibly the least libertarian member of the United States Sensate,” and he has the links to prove it. So, for libertarians to be upset with a Lieberman loss, well, that demands an explanation.
 
Written By: Mona
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Let’s see, Lieberman voted 90% with the Party.

But that’s not enough for them.

And the right are the ones that march in lock-step...

And why would any Libertarian trust the Democrats to create gridlock.

It’s just as likely that the Democrats will hold impeachment over President Bush’s head, and enact their version of big government spending. Hey, go ahead, veto this and you’re toast.

And actually, since President Bush is a big government ’conservative’, he’s just as likely to agree with at least 50% of what the Democrats are likely to propose.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
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I’m going to be snarky and cruel here... who CARES what libertarians think of Lieberman’s defeat or Lamont’s victory? Why don’t we ask Emperor Punguins, too? Libertarins get less than .3% of the vote and I bet in CT they got less than that...so Mona who cares what Radley Balko or Tim Cavanaugh think? Why didn’t you ask the Manicheans or the Zorasterians what THEY thought of the election? How about the Gnostics or the AnaBaptists?

The question is: "What do Republicans and Independents think of Lieberman’s defeat?" If 2000 is anything to go by, well he’ll get sizeable support from them...as to Jon Henke, Michael Badnarik, Glenn Greenwald (or his sock puppets) or Mona, who cares? Even IF they all lived in CT they’d represent what 4 votes plus about 100 others, not counting Glenn’s Sock Puppets who can’t vote, but could contribute to a ’blog discussion?
 
Written By: Joe
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Moreover, Joe Lieberman is "respect[ing] the outcome" of the primary. He’s running as an Independent, rather than a Democrat.
Of course he doesn’t have much of a choice Jon.

Personally I have no problem with Joe running as an independant. I think it will eventually tarnish a fairly good reputation, but that’s his choice.

However, Joe can spare us the claims that he’s running to try to save the party. Save the party? What party? The Lieberman for Conneticut party? He’s the only member and it already needs to be saved?

Go for it Joe. Just remember to change your party affiliation on your voter registration. And here’s the easy part for you. On the campaign trail, should you refer to democrats be sure to do so as an attack. Don’t talk about "bringing us democrats together" because you are no longer a democrat.

And that’s a choice you made.

Also Jon, I think the Chaffee comparison is a bit of a stretch. Joe’s not switching party affiliations after winning re-election. And nobody complained when literally dozens of long term dems switched parties in mid stream.


As to this.
Well IF by some Republicans you mean Chuck Hagel, OK. But if you mean CT. Independents and Republicans, well they may vote for ole’ Joe, they did in 200(0).
I remember what a swell showing Lieberman had in the CT primaries for president in 2004.
 
Written By: davebo
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According to Rasmussen, Lieberman as a 3 point lead in the general. Could change either way, but that’s closer than I would have thought. Even with a nice post primary bounce for LaMont, still surprised me.
 
Written By: ozymandias
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Mona, the fact that Lieberman is one of the least libertarian senators doesn’t make me happy one bit. The relevant question though is whether he is more or less libertarian than Ned Lamont. From what I’ve read, I’m more likely to agree with Lieberman as opposed to Lamont, even if the difference is between 1 times out of 50 and 3 times out of 50.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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I don’t think Republicans or Independents are necessarily Ol’ Joes saviors. The disappointment with Bush is intense in New England moderates and Republicans....Remember, the Bush Administration has blown off non-Jesusland Republicans pretty badly. Several Republican Reps and Senators say they cannot even get a meeting with Bushies to express their Iraq concerns or get answers to questions....until a vote is close, then the Bushies demand loyalty.....
But New England Reps and moderates only exist as a counterpoise to the Big Government, Nanny State over-regulating, fiscally reckless, Teddy Kennedy Axis Democrats they have been fighting for 40 years....and Lieberman and Dodd and Reed are normally 90% reliable Teddy Kennedy Democrats. New Englanders, with the exception of Massachusetts, also tend to get antsy about "Senators for Life".

So things might not be so hot on the career-politican disliking, Bush-disliking, moderate, liberal Dem disliking CT Independent/Republican front.

Vote for Good Ol’ Joe! Never had a job outside government since leaving Yale Law, a loyal Teddy Kennedy Democrat 90% of the time, loves the Bush-guy you dislike, defends the War you mostly think has gone sour.

Not exactly a ringing election energizer.

Two liberal Democrats. One fresh, one Old. One dislikes Bush and Iraq, the other likes Bush and is "Stay the Course!!".
 
Written By: C. Ford
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Two liberal Democrats. One fresh, one Old. One dislikes Bush and Iraq, the other likes Bush and is "Stay the Course!!".
Well, and that is the nut crunch of the situation. I believe that the ramifications of pulling out too soon from Iraq would be so horrible and so harmful to the country, that one thing makes all the difference in the world to me who among two lefties is elected.
 
Written By: kyle N
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who CARES what libertarians think of Lieberman’s defeat or Lamont’s victory? Why don’t we ask Emperor Punguins, too? Libertarins get less than .3% of the vote
Um, Joe, look where you are reading and commenting. This is a "neo-libertarian" site. Three lower-case "L" libertarians are the bloggers here, and a lot of us in comments are as well. As far as I know, neither the three bloggers, and certainly I am not, are Libertarian Party members of the sort who get 3% of the vote.

If you have no interest in what libertarians think, this may not be the blog for you.
 
Written By: Mona
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Mona babeee, libertarinas are THE MINORITY HERE TOO! Sure jon, McQ and Dale are some variant of libertarian but I’d bet that at best libertarians represent a plurality of commenters.

MK, CFord, and a host of others sure aren’t lib’s and you still haven’t answered the question, WHO CARES WHAT TIM CAVANAUGH THINKS? If you ask Angela Davis she’ll tell you that Lieberman is the LEAST COMMUNIST US Senator. If you ask the Natural Law Party they’ll tell you they don’t see ole’ Joe as much of a supporter of Vedic Flyers. But, again I should worry because...Now Independents, Republicans, Pelosi, Reid, Shays, they ahve opinions that matter. It’s one thing to look at things from a libertarian view point, but it’s foolish to think that that view point represents anything but an outlier position. Peter Camejo’s position on Lieberman is more relevant, than any libertarian position.
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe writes:
Mona babeee, libertarinas are THE MINORITY HERE TOO! Sure jon, McQ and Dale are some variant of libertarian
The three men who make up QandO self-identify as libertarians. They have a link you can click to learn about "New Libertarians." But you insist no one should care what libertarians think, even tho you are commenting at a libertarian blog.

Well, that is as sensible as anything else you’ve said.
 
Written By: Mona
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You know, I can seriously envision a secnario where Lieberman wins his seat in the general and the Dems pick up just enough to seriously need Rape Gurney Blackface Bushloving Joe to take (or keep) control....you gotta wonder just what a high price Lieberman would demand from these same Senators who are set to savage him.

 
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