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Is al Qaeda’s significance fading?
Posted by: McQ on Friday, August 11, 2006

Stratfor seems to think so (via email - no link). It has drawn 4 quick points or lessons from this latest attempted operation:
First, while there obviously remains a threat from those not only sympathetic to al Qaeda, but actually participating in planning with those in the al Qaeda apex leadership, their ability to launch successful attacks outside of the Middle East is severely degraded.
Or, had this been done prior to 9/11, it would have had an much, much better chance of succeeding than it does today. That's tangible progress in the fight against Islamic fascism.
Second, if the cell truly does have 50 people and 21 have already been detained, then al Qaeda might have lost its ability to operate below the radar of Western — or at least U.K. — intelligence agencies. Al Qaeda's defining characteristic has always been its ability to maintain operational security. If that has been compromised, then al Qaeda's importance as a force has diminished greatly.
This relates to the first point. Penetration to the level this particular cell was penetrated in an operation which apparently took a year before arrests were made says that the level of operations security that AQ previously thought was sufficient has been badly compromised. OPSEC is key to any terrorist movement's success. Putting someone on the inside, as apparently the Brits were able to do, would have been considered impossible a mere few years ago. And although the effort is being called very sophisticated, so was the intelligence and police effort.
Third, though further attacks could occur, it appears al Qaeda has lost the ability to alter the political decision-making of its targets. The Sept. 11 attack changed the world. The Madrid train attacks changed a government. This failed airliner attack only succeeded in closing an airport temporarily.
This is an important point. It points to a proportional response by the West to continued (and expected) attempts and an acceptance by the public that AQ will continue to target them and, while they may bitch about inconveniences, are taking such things more and more in stride.
Fourth, the vanguard of militant Islamism appears to have passed from Sunni/Wahhabi al Qaeda to Shiite Iran and Hezbollah. It is Iran that is shaping Western policies on the Middle East, and Hezbollah who is directly engaged with Israel. Al Qaeda, in contrast, appears unable to do significantly more than issue snazzy videos.
I think this is right on and has been my sense about AQ for quite some time. The new Islamofascist center of gravity now rests with Iran/Hezbollah. However I'd also point to the role of Pakistan in this latest incident, both as the point of funds and training and, apparently, in providing intelligence critical to the apprehension of these plotters. It may be that AQ is fatally compromised in terms of operational security and what we may see is a purge within its ranks in an attempt to eliminate those suspected of selling them out.
 
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And how great would that be if we could get this message out to all the people who think Al Qaeda = All Terrorism? So many people actually seem to believe that if we killed / captured OBL we’d all be magically transported back to the days were everyone hated the US but at least didn’t say so.
 
Written By: Robb Allen
URL: http://blog.robballen.com
Al-Quaeda was a myth created by the US Government to justify it’s Imperialism! It’s significance is fading because now we have Iran and Hezbollah to "terrify" the masses. Was there ever REALLY an Usama? Who really attacked WTC 1 & 2, 19 Saudi’s with box cutters or the Federal government?

Quick am I joking or not?
 
Written By: Joe
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This article by Dr. Sanity puts the actions of the left in an appropriate persepective:
“THERE’S A familiar ritual each time an operation to thwart a putative terrorist incident dominates the news…How convenient, cluck the doubters, with rolled eyes and theatrical sarcasm, just as the Government’s got some new bonfire of civil liberties planned; or just as President Bush’s poll numbers are collapsing…
In this internally pure worldview, [AKA the Liberal Narrative] the consistent theme is denial— denial of the reality of the mortal threat we face, denial of the reasons we face it. The villain for these people is not the jihadist, with his agenda of destroying our very way of life. It is, as it has always been, that malign continuum of institutions of our own authority that begins with the aggressive police officer and goes all the way up via the credulous media and craven officials to No 10 and the White House.


At the risk of getting repetitious, the denial and displacement are becoming so obvious that even a Democrat should be able to see them.

I guess they will only open their eyes when they achieve their primary purpose for existing: getting back control of the oval office.

And at this point, I’m beyond questioning their patriotism—I’m questioning their intelligence.
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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"...an acceptance by the public that AQ will continue to target them and, while they may bitch about inconveniences, are taking such things more and more in stride."
Some are taking it more in stride than others:
I left this introductory quote and comment out. Without it one might believe that vindictiveness had caused me to make an off-topic comment in my zeal to nail Liberal Narrative practitioners.
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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Al-Quaeda was a myth created by the US Government to justify it’s Imperialism! It’s significance is fading because now we have Iran and Hezbollah to "terrify" the masses. Was there ever REALLY an Usama? Who really attacked WTC 1 & 2, 19 Saudi’s with box cutters or the Federal government?

Quick am I joking or not?
You left out Halliburton, otherwise you sound like the usual suspects.

Anyway, if AQ is fading, great! That is real progress, and it’s gratifying to know we’ve hurt the scum who f*cked with us for so long. Some, like MK or cindyb will try to argue that:

1) Since we’re only replacing one terror axis with another, the WoT is a failure and shouldn’t be fought
2) We’ve in fact created new terrorists, and thus the WoT is a failure and shouldn’t be fought.

So let me preemptively declare both lines of attack to be hogwash.

Even if iran/Hez is taking the place of AQ, the nature of the game appears to have been changed. We may be coming to the end of the phase where we try to destroy a stateless movement and coming into the phase where we have a state-led movement to confront. Either way, the ability of Hez to hit us is limited, and so is AQ. Thus, we’ve made progress.

And we’re not creating new ones either through our policies. Someone echoing that line is simply asking for appeasement under a different name. Aw, the muslims are becoming terrorists because we support Israel or we’re in Iraq? Tough sh*t. We’re going to do what we think we have to do. We’re not going to alter our goals simply because we’re threatened.
 
Written By: shark
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Penetration to the level this particular cell was penetrated in an operation which apparently took a year before arrests were made says that the level of operations security that AQ previously thought was sufficient has been badly compromised. OPSEC is key to any terrorist movement’s success. Putting someone on the inside, as apparently the Brits were able to do, would have been considered impossible a mere few years ago.

We’ll probably eventually find out how they did the penetration. When that happens, I wonder if we’ll also find out that the the jihadis’ decision to try to broaden into non-Middle-Eastern terrorists has been turned against them.

Their thinking was that such people would make it easier to circumvent western security and intelligence. Does it not also mean that it becomes easier for intelligence operatives to penetrate their organizations? It appears to me that it works both ways.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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D@mn yo Shark, you’re right, I needed to mention Haliburton and Oil....
 
Written By: Joe
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We’ll probably eventually find out how they did the penetration. When that happens, I wonder if we’ll also find out that the the jihadis’ decision to try to broaden into non-Middle-Eastern terrorists has been turned against them.

Their thinking was that such people would make it easier to circumvent western security and intelligence. Does it not also mean that it becomes easier for intelligence operatives to penetrate their organizations? It appears to me that it works both ways.
Absolutely. And they don’t have the level of background and knowledge of local individuals that they do of those they’ve recruited themselves in the Middle East. Going with locals is always problematic in this type of a scenario, but on the other side, a group of 50 non-native middle eastern men in any free society would now be viewed by their neighbors as ’suspicious’.

And, as it turns out, it was the suspicions of a neighbor in this case which got the ball rolling.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
And how great would that be if we could get this message out to all the people who think Al Qaeda = All Terrorism? So many people actually seem to believe that if we killed / captured OBL we’d all be magically transported back to the days were everyone hated the US but at least didn’t say so.

Written By: Robb Allen
One of those core things that Democrats look like idiots on national security over....their belief there is no war with radical Islam, just the Quest to "Bring bin Laden to justice!"

They never cry about when they want to give Khalid Sheikh Mohammed his 100 ACLU lawyers for being the 9/11 creator, plot mastermind, and project manager. KSM is embarassing - because half the Democrats want him freed because he was tooooorrrrttttuuuurrrreed, not given a Holy Qu’ran within 15 minutes of capture to "solace him", and his cuisine is not up to Gitmo standards. The other half of Democrats are smart enough to know what sort of public reaction Americans would have to the likes of Schumer, Feingold, Durbin, Kennedy blubbering about KSM’s discomforts and "precious enemy rights" disregarded.

When we ask how, they say "Go into Pakistan and get him!"

The same Democrats who shiver and cry over how tough Iraq is and Nothing but Nothing is worth another "precious innocent brown baby’s life...even lesser life like an American GI", posture all warlike about the need to die to find then "publicly try Binnie". They want us to invade a nuclear armed nation with a crack military and 7 times the population of Iraq just so Binnie can - if we magically find him (unlike the dismal FBI record of finding certain criminals in our own country) find him - all to be allowed a global public forum and the ability to twist our pathetic justice system in knots for years...

Quite the thinkers.

They still don’t "get" al Qaeda is NOT All Islamofascism, and that "single evil mastermind" behind all problems is a plot device novelist Ian Fleming and movie producer Cubby Broccoli came up with starting with "Dr. No".
 
Written By: C. Ford
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And, as it turns out, it was the suspicions of a neighbor in this case which got the ball rolling.

Yeah, and the neighbor was a Muslim.

There is no greater clear-as-day example of why it’s genuinely important not to make the average Muslim-on-the-street feel that the Western state he lives in has designated him as an enemy on the basis of his religion.

Collective measures = counterproductive
Public demonizations of muslims = counterproductive
 
Written By: glasnost
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C. Ford, if innocent Muslims don’t get basic constitutional protections, perhaps the next Muslim neighbor won’t tip us about the next bombing. And who could blame him, frankly?

Like every other police state in history, your imagined one would ultimately fail at both security and the prosperity of our republic.
 
Written By: glasnost
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Yeah, and the neighbor was a Muslim.
And your point?

I mean since we know the locals in question were Muslim, living in a Muslim neighborhood, it stands to reason the neighbor was Muslim as well.

That points to the difficulty noted of trying to use locals (obviously assuming the "locals" would be Muslims).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
And your point?
As best as I can tell, we have a hard time divining glasnost’s point because we don’t subscribe to the liberal victim-based worldview, and are not sufficiently worried about who gets offended by what we say.

Whether we like it or not, it’s a simple fact that fundamentalist Islamic religious philosophy is part of the terrorism problem. glasnost apparently wants to avoid talking about that. When people do, he raises the spectre that we are somehow alienating other Muslims by telling the truth. From yesterday’s thread, responding to a comment in which I was careful to always refer to "Islamic fundamentalists":
The Islamic fundamentalists can’t turn this into a clash of civilizations by themselves. They need Billy Hollis’ help.
What twaddle. As if being unwilling to face simple facts is somehow going to help.

CAIR takes exactly the same tack, in referring to Bush’s comments about "Islamic fascists". They implicitly advance the exact same theory as glasnost - that such references are somehow offensive to moderate Muslims and causes them to become more radicalized.

They both have it exactly reversed. It is quite important to (1) note that fundamentalist Islam is part of the problem and (2) clearly identify that it is "fundamentalist Islam" or "Islamic fascists" or some other appropriate label, in order that the average Muslim understands that we are not referring to him or her.

If we are unwilling to make such a distinction, then it becomes less clear what we really mean. Do we then implicitly accuse all Muslims, without using that word? What does the typical viewer of the CBS Evening News think when they see a sea of Middle Eastern faces in a terrorism incident such as London or Toronto, but no one is prepared to say out loud what the unifying characteristic among those faces is?

glasnost and CAIR both come to the same conclusion about this because both of them rely on the same victim-based view of the world. They would prefer us to govern our speech to suit a pretense that they believe avoids hurt feelings.

A true solution gets beyond that into a world in which people can tell the truth without being so bloody worried about someone taking offense to it. If moderate Muslims are offended by references to fundamentalist Muslims (which I doubt), there is something wrong with their perception of the world.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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The short answer:

When you describe the battle against Islamofascists without emphasizing your awareness of the fact that Islamofascist /= Muslim,

then a Muslim hearing you believes that you are using Islamofascist as shorthand for Muslim.

That’s why they’re offended.

Kind of like how you react when the President or Iran or of the Soviet Union refers to the "capitalist imperialist warmongers" without carefully deliniating that he is only referring to those Americans with specific belief structures and behavioral tendencies.

If you think that bombastic "it’s us or them" rhetoric does not threaten the average Muslim, then you, sir, are the one not facing facts. The average muslim knows which side of "us or them" you think he’s in.

 
Written By: glasnost
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And your point?

The point is that discovery of the operation was contingent on the cooperation from the same community that Bin Laden is targeting for recruitment and passive support.

The further point is that we are in competition with Bin Laden for the loyalty of these groups.

That doesn’t mean we pander to Bin Laden’s concepts, it just means that we offer the clear alternative of our own society - and that we take care not to alienate said groups from said society.

 
Written By: glasnost
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When you describe the battle against Islamofascists without emphasizing your awareness of the fact that Islamofascist /= Muslim,

then a Muslim hearing you believes that you are using Islamofascist as shorthand for Muslim.

That’s why they’re offended.
If they’re not Islamofascists and they don’t support Islamofascists, then they choose to be offended.

If we said "Muslims" then they’d have a valid reason to be offended.

We’re not. They need to get over the faux outrage (which no one buys except those inclined to give credence to political correctness) and do something about it if the term offends them.

And as an aside ... as usual the discussion devolves into something about who’s offended by what instead of the meat of the post, which is precisely the aim of political correctness. If it can’t shut discussion down altogether, it attempts to divert attention.

 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
The point is that discovery of the operation was contingent on the cooperation from the same community that Bin Laden is targeting for recruitment and passive support.
Right ... that was the point of noting that there are problems in recruiting in "local" Muslim communities where they don’t know everyone or their background that they don’t face in the Middle East.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
...then a Muslim hearing you believes that you are using Islamofascist as shorthand for Muslim.

That’s why they’re offended.
1. How do you know?

2. What’s the alternative? Any label we come up with that includes the words "Islam" or "Muslim" would have exactly the same theoretical problem. So you are saying to never refer to terrorists as Muslims? That we banish the word "Muslim" from the discussion of terrorism?

If not, then, with your obviously enlightened liberal viewpoint, please condescend to tell us poor non-liberals what magic term can be used that differentiates the terrorists (which are pretty much all associated with Islam) from the average Muslim.

If you can’t do that, then I think it time for you to admit that you’re just carping - using something you think you can use to rhetorically beat up non-liberals without, as McQ noted, actually have any point of significance.

While you’re at it, you might enlighten us how your position is any different from CAIR. If it is.


 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Gasnost - The point is that discovery of the operation was contingent on the cooperation from the same community that Bin Laden is targeting for recruitment and passive support.

The further point is that we are in competition with Bin Laden for the loyalty of these groups.
Do you honestly believe that there are not 80 or so Islamist terror groups operating globally, let alone those Muslims choosing Spontaneous Jihadi Detonation.....and all trouble comes from a James Bondish "evil Mastermind" named bin Laden who has a vast, vast vertically integrated corporation with divisions like "Bin Laden legal Dept." "bin Laden Global recruiting of all angry youth"?

Or is boogeyman Binnie just your code for Islamofascism?

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Gasnost - C. Ford, if innocent Muslims don’t get basic constitutional protections, perhaps the next Muslim neighbor won’t tip us about the next bombing. And who could blame him, frankly?
About the dumbest thing you have written, Gasnost, and that’s saying lots.

What are you accusing the Brits of - of violating what specific basic Constititutional protections for the Islamoids of the 8/10 Plot??

Let me be the first to tell you that if a Muslim or a bunch of Muslims knew about a mass murder plot like this and did nothing, and it went off...as thousands and thousands of body parts were being retrieved from the Atlantic, global air travel stopped... and Muslim associates of the bombers began squealing to MI-5 on day 3 or day 20 of interrogation that they knew but did not speak out because it was just infidel-killing and they were all "angry at infidels for _______________(list 5-6 popular Islamic grievances)..... the issue would not be " And who could blame him, frankly?. The issue would be how to simply keep him or them alive from the mobs wishing to tear them apart, or whether to let the mobs have them..

The idea that a group may not be criticized because it will only drive them further into asocial, criminal, or dysfunctional pathologies is just dumb liberal excuse-making and the usual plea why questioning the actions of a "Victim Group (the poor misunderstood Muslims, heroin addicts, etc) is "counterproductive" under Lefty psychobabble.

It goes like this: A community has a complaint about corruption and brutality within the police force. It demands the cops address the problem of police thugs. It does NOT say "All Cops are Evil" - but challenges the cops to condemn the perps, point them out. If the police union reps response is to condemn the critics, saying that the now mightily offended union members will not speak out against "Brothers" to outside civilians - and that criticism will only "drive" more cops into bribe-seeking and beating people without cause....Well, that community has a huge problem. And may have to get rid of the whole rogue police force

In a conflicted minority community where some seek revenge on the majority culture, the idea of getting them to "like us" is nice, but no solution if it is clear many hate with all their souls. The highest law of any society is self-preservation and a minority community seen as seeking or silently acquiescing to the massive destruction of lives and property in their host nation cannot be tolerated. Noble UN "human rights resolutions" and "civil rights law" nonwithstanding, the inevitable outcome of a minority persistently crapping in society’s nest by open warfare and insurrection is collective retribution (job restrictions, extra security measures, emergency powers directed only at them) and if those fail - removal - to the cemetery, the concentration camp, a one-way ticket to some other country.

So it is in the British Muslims interest to say if his/her "brothers" are planning butchery of infidels. Not as a favor to the nice people of the UK who are PC enough to avoid saying "Islamofascism", not as a reward for the majority groveling to Muslim demands for Muslim-only beaches and pork-free shopping Malls —-but for pure self-preservation.
 
Written By: C. Ford
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Excellent post, as always Mr. Ford.

May I have the honor of breaking it down to its bare essentials:

"Dear Muslims,

Help us out in the Global War on Terrorism by acceding to our every demand. In fact, anticipate our demands and make sure they’re dealt with before we even think of them. Otherwise we’ll either arrest you and send you to concentration camps (you know to avoid having angry mobs tear you to pieces in the streets), invade your countries and slaughter you in your homes, or, if invasion just isn’t in the budget this year, we’ll nuke you.

Love and kisses,

America."

Sounds great! Collective retribution. I seem to have heard that term somewhere before. You know, I haven’t heard foreign policy this enlightened since Genghis sat on the throne of Mongolia.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://www.asecondhandconjecture.com
A few more mass murders, Omar, and you and other Muslims may very well wish for the happy old days of the Mongol Horde. After them, it was all downhill until oil was discovered. Bitch-slapping after bitch-slapping.

But that was then, this is now.

The peace feelers are out, the peace efforts have been made in ernest by the rest of the world to the Islamic one. Whether you know it or not, this is the evaluation phase to determine if Muslims are capable of living in peace alongside the non-believer. If not, ta-ta! Back to the Ummah all must go!
 
Written By: C. Ford
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A few more mass murders, Omar, and you and other Muslims may very well wish for the happy old days of the Mongol Horde. After them, it was all downhill until oil was discovered. Bitch-slapping after bitch-slapping.

But that was then, this is now.

The peace feelers are out, the peace efforts have been made in ernest by the rest of the world to the Islamic one. Whether you know it or not, this is the evaluation phase to determine if Muslims are capable of living in peace alongside the non-believer. If not, ta-ta! Back to the Ummah all must go!
Mr. Ford:

You do not speak for the Western world, thank god, so your threats are insignificant. But know this: You are consumed by hate, and you are part of the problem, not the solution.
 
Written By: David Shaughnessy
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Help us out in the Global War on Terrorism by acceding to our every demand. In fact, anticipate our demands and make sure they’re dealt with before we even think of them.

Nice little strawman you’ve got there, Omar. Does it sing and dance or just hang around in the cornfield for crows to perch on?

In point of fact, our ’every demand’ can be summed up as ’abide by the same rules we expect everybody else to abide by.’ This is not too much to ask. Death threats and riots because somebody insulted you or drew a picture you didn’t like are not acceptable behavior. Murder, be it for ’besmirching your family honor,’ apostasy, homosexuality, infidelism, or just plain felt-like-it is not acceptable behavior. Rape is not acceptable behavior. Aiding and abetting or treating any of the above with depraved indifference is not acceptable behavior. It doesn’t matter what your religion is. It is unacceptable behavior. Period. These are absolute fundamentals of a free society, and if Islam/Muslims cannot abide by them, then Islam/Muslims will be removed from that free society — by force, if necessary.
 
Written By: Achillea
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In point of fact, Achillea, US demands have not been just "abide by the rules we follow." That assumes, of course, that the US if following its own rules, which is questionable.

Let’s take a look at some of the things you’ve listed as "Muslim" crimes:

1. Death threats : hmm.. has not just about every sitting US President, and, for that matter, celebrity received such things? How many do you think were from Muslims versus non-Muslims?

2. Riots: hmm.. Rodney King, anyone? Don’t remember any Muslims there.

3. Murder (for family honor) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Castellano

4. Murder (for apostasy) : http://www.jacquesdemolay.org/

5. Murder (for homosexuality) : Matthew Wayne Shepard

6. Murder (for infidelism): Too ambiguous a term, so let me try this, History of Western Europe 1933-1945

7. Rape : If this is a "Muslim thing," then why did we need the Justice For All Act of 2004 and the Debbie Smith Act of 2003?

8. Aiding/abetting/ignoring : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

This is unacceptable behaviour by any standard regardless of your religion, no? These are absolute fundamentals of free society, no? If Americans/Westerners just cannot abide by these standards then Americans/Westerners will be removed from that free society - by force, if necessary.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://www.asecondhandconjecture.com
If Americans/Westerners just cannot abide by these standards then Americans/Westerners will be removed from that free society - by force, if necessary.
Indeed. Which is why we have police and prisons.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
URL: http://
Privacy rights fanatics opposed to ID cards neglect that if you cannot establish ID on boarding - link to crime or anti-terror databases or suspicious activities that should trigger more security measures —-the only alternative to (ha! ha!) "preserve liberty" since you have no idea who is presenting for a flight is to treat passengers ALL as potential nefarious suicidal monsters out to do mass murder.

It has been commented on by people analyzing terror’s broader impact on society that we split and defer to either the mindless libertarians/victim group advocates that insist no scrutiny should mar our utopia— and those that genuflect to "security experts" who wish to progressively relieve the population of their right to do previously innocuous activities and possess various innocent belongings on grounds that "an evildoer" could use normal human conduct or possessions "to do something bad".

Right now, we have a particularly noxious mix of Muslim/minority rights advocates insisting that the population enemy terrorists come from cannot be singled out, cannot be barred from flight if concerns exist - joining with Gestapo-like "security experts" out to make air travel a maximally miserable experience and treat each passenger as untrustworthy, subhuman pieces of sh*t.

Wait ’till the air gestapo realizes that intelligent Islamic terrorists know about impregnating clothing with undetectable explosives - they just don’t have the technique perfected....or that Islamists know all about drug smugglers packing a "drug mule" with 5-6 pounds of heroin or cocaine.

If the future of air travel is doubled ticket prices to pay for extra security goons with "exciting new high tech search devices", people in hospital gowns, preflight enemas, body cavity searches pre and on any connecting flight - The sheep formerly known as citizens dribbling K-Y and allowed no possessions in flight, forbidden to talk in flight in case there is a terrorist plot to strangle people with their gowns?

Count me out.

The sight of the "sheep" certainly would be quite amusing to all the Muslim baggage handlers, food and beverage stockers, and plane cleaners carrying gallons of unsearched stuff onboard within the security area after being hired with just a minimal criminal background check.

And amusing to the wealthy and high government officials spared such indignities by flying private jets and government transport.

Which is why the people should insist that any security inconveniences inflicted on them also apply to Ruling Elites and any workers in the secure area.

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We were lucky again with the 8/10 plot. But The Scotsman reports that police are now investigating DOZENS of nascent or just in the discussion phase Muslim plots in England to butcher masses of their infidel countrymen. So it is a matter of time before they get "lucky" again. I do posit that a few more "lucky strikes" and it will either be time for the West to rid itself of Muslims or people will begin the unlawful killings of Muslims and their Leftist enablers to get the ball moving.

Society will not last with the same social structures if it believes it is in intolerable danger, or the enemy is causing an unacceptable loss in the liberties and rights of the law-abiding people who built their nation to give them those liberties and rights - not to lose them to the depredations of a newcoming alien people bringing in malignancy..

Meanwhile, the safety Gestapo will continue to insist on more and more onerous infringements on our lives, the liberal NYC lawyers, CAIR lawyers, and Euroweenie human rights lawyers will blubber over "misguided Muslim youths" —- unless or until we get back to the true problem - a large population of Muslims within which exist murderous barbarians out to kill and terrorize us are simply unwilling to, or cannot police and control their radical Jihad-happy brethren. the "moderates" like Omar here insist the "Huge Majority of Peaceful Muslims" are unable to assist in rooting the scum out because larger society is mean to all Muslims, is unwilling to give Muslims the concessions and special privileges they want.

More and more destruction in the quality of our lives to erect more "security" against dangerous Muslims in 24/7/365 deadly war with the rest of us are just impediments. The intelligent, murderous Islamist will eventually find holes in the barriers or just select a sweeter target, like a rock concert or elementary school full of little infidels to butcher. The Islamofascists are close to being able to send Jihadis to commit mass murder by means so undetectable or nearly undetectable (MANPADs, baggies of anthrax spores released in subways, humans body-packed with C-4 and marbles or ceramic frags) that the only alternatives are totalitarian society, getting rid of the Muslim communities, or the Muslims fix their mess.

The real decision is not about whether or not we accept a permant way of life of going through gauntlets of Gestapo "saving us" from Islamoids they refuse to target, it’s not about people willing to give up all rights so as to "be safe" and "not offend people of the Religion of Peace".

The real decision is if the Muslims must be forced to leave unless they can police and control their murderous elements. Unless they prove they can assimilate and live peacefully alongside others. If so, they can stay and avoid the massive bloodshed it took getting rid of 5 million ethnic Germans from East Europe after WWII. Otherwise, back to the Ummah they all must go!!



 
Written By: C. Ford
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