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George Allen’s Macaca Moment
Posted by: Jon Henke on Tuesday, August 15, 2006

UPDATED


In the pantheon of political scandals that required a real stretch, it's hard to top the time Bush lied about liking Cheeze Whiz!, or when Gore said he invented the internet! or Bush lied about catching a 7.5 lb Perch when it was really a bass or something!

The George Allen "Macaca" incident doesn't top those, but it does require a few imaginative leaps.
At a campaign rally in southwest Virginia on Friday, Allen repeatedly called a volunteer for Democrat James Webb "macaca." During the speech in Breaks, near the Kentucky border, Allen began by saying that he was "going to run this campaign on positive, constructive ideas" and then pointed at S.R. Sidarth in the crowd.

"This fellow here, over here with the yellow shirt, macaca, or whatever his name is. He's with my opponent. He's following us around everywhere. And it's just great," Allen said, as his supporters began to laugh. After saying that Webb was raising money in California with a "bunch of Hollywood movie moguls," Allen said, "Let's give a welcome to macaca, here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia." Allen then began talking about the "war on terror."
Critics are claiming that the word is a European slur of people from North Africa, of which Allen might have been aware, since his Mother is French Tunisian. Indeed, that is not implausible. The problems, however, are worth mentioning:

  1. Senator Allen said "macaca", but the European slur is Macaque. Aside from being a rather obscure slur, the words are pronounced differently.


  2. The "Macaque" slur means "a Negro (originally) or a person of North-African origin". S.R. Sidarth neither looks nor is African — he is Indian, against whom the Macaque slur is not intended. Which is it, is Allen familiar with the slur or not?


  3. As Greg Tinti writes, "it doesn’t make much sense that Allen knowingly dropped an ethnic slur against the person videotaping him for his opponent."


  4. Finally, some critics—including the Washington Post—are claiming that Allen's statement "Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia!" was a remark about Sidarth looking 'foreign', when he was actually "born and raised in Virginia". This criticism depends an out-of-context read of the statement. Allen was specifically contrasting the "Beltway" and "Hollywood" crowd with the "real world" of Virginia and the rest of America that exists outside the Beltway.

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So, what's the likely explanation? Nobody really knows. Perhaps he did hear this obscure European slur in his youth 3 or 4 decades ago — he almost certainly hasn't heard it since — and it arose from his subconscious while he was grasping for a nickname for the fellow. That's not flattering, but it's a mistake of the mildest variety — the unintentional and confused spontaneous nickname that doesn't end up sounding as cute and trivializing as was intended.

In any event, Senator Allen has done the responsible thing and apologized. As with Hillary Clinton's "[Ghandi] ran a gas station down in St. Louis", or Ted Kennedy's Barrack "Osama bin...Osama...Obama" moments, this is almost certainly more of a mild mistake, rather than a scandal from which we can draw personal inferences.

UPDATED below the fold, with George Allen's statement to the press following a private meeting with the Indian-American community
 
Senator Allen: “This matter was my mistake. I have apologized for it. And, it’s one that I wanted to hear from my friends and their views and for them to hear me, a heart-felt apology. The whole point of what happened was to use sarcasm and humor directed to my opponent not having been to these small towns and rural areas where he had sent a tracker to video tape. These are areas that we have gotten jobs, a school of pharmacy and a variety of beneficial aspects for the area. The point was not the photographer; the point was to send a message to Jim Webb that he hadn’t been to these places and probably never would never go to these small towns. However, I made a mistake. I have apologized for it and we need move forward and that’s what we were talking about here. We talked about ways to continue to work together and even redoubling the efforts. You have heard me say this on many occasions: this needs to be a land of opportunity for all regardless of race, gender, ethnicity or religion. I have said we need to be a meritocracy and we also need to be the World Capital of Innovation. For us to be that World Capital of Innovation, all people, all Americans need to be involved for us. And that is a key area where all of us will work together in the future.”


Question: Are you going to call Mr. Sidarth and give him a personal apology?

Senator Allen: “I have apologized to him and I look forward to seeing him on trail ahead. We will be leaving directly for Norfolk where we will be having a rally with our veterans—Veterans for Allen—and John McCain is coming down as well as Paul Gillanti who is my chairman and former POW. I suspect that Sidarth will be there and I hope to have the opportunity to see him and personally apologize.”


Question: Senator, what did you mean by macaca and ‘welcome to America’?

Senator Allen: “I didn’t know what his name was. I didn’t know where he was from… The whole point was to send a message to Jim Webb that while he is sending this tracker along where we had been going all week from the Northern Neck to Fredericksburg to the Richmond area to southwest Virginia and small towns in these rural areas…we’d send a message, ‘Jim, this is real America. Welcome to real America, in Virginia with real people in the real world. It’s a place outside the beltway.’ This tracker was giving Webb a travelogue and maybe he could learn something about Virginia and the real world.”


Question: You have made this a priority in damage control?

Senator Allen: “I have made it a priority …one makes mistakes and folks are going to pile on…but I have no one to blame but myself. What bothers me the most, it so contrary to who I am. It tears my guts up. It is so contrary to how Sudhakar [Shenoy] has known me… I have known a long time, before I was governor. He was on my steering committee. The Indian American community is an outstanding group of individuals who have been long time friends and allies. The portrayal of this is so contrary, so contrary to the way I honestly, genuinely believe. It hurts me personally. It was touching to me that so many outstanding leaders in this community would take time come here and offer support, working together in the future as we have in the past. And also, to see how some of this has been portrayed in a way that is hurtful and I certainly did not mean to hurt any individual or demean any individual.”


Question: Sidarth felt that you singled him out and continued to insult him.

Senator Allen: “The point is, it wasn’t Sidarth. It was the person he is working for, my opponent. Who was with Hollywood moguls that week raising money and we were out in the real world with real Virginians. That was the point. I have apologized not only to Sidarth, but to anybody who found it to be a hurtful statement.”
 
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In any event, Senator Allen has done the responsible thing and apologized.
Bullsh!t. I expect better out of you. If Allen (and again, my advice is never to trust an Allen) did not intend an insult by use of the word then there is nothing to apologize for . That is the quintessential base for PC - attach a perceived insult outside of the speaker’s intent, regardless if the speaker meant it or not.

I could say that Q&O is a phrase my abusive mother used to use when she beat me as a child and that your usage of it, regardless of your intent, is an insult. Should you apologize then? No. Even if you were aware of my situation previously, you intend Q&O to stand for Questions and Observations and not the phrase my abusive mother used before whacking me with a saucepan. (Note, this is for illustration only. None of it is true).

This is why the confederate flag raises so many people’s blood pressure. They assume that because they find offense in it that the person holding the flag intends to insult them. Then, when told "No, it simply means I’m proud to be Southern", the insulted person says "Fine. But it’s still an insult to me".

Please don’t fall into that trap. Either claim Allen meant it as an insult as is lying about it or that it doesn’t mean anything. Claiming he didn’t mean it but it still is insulting is intellectually dishonest.
 
Written By: Robb Allen
URL: http://blog.robballen.com
I understand what you’re saying, and I agree to some extent. However, bestowing the nickname on the guy was a bit demeaning, even aside from any potential racial issues. I have no problem with apologizing for offending, even if no offense of that sort was intended.

If I playfully called somebody a "mama’s boy", and then learned that their mother had died in childbirth, I’d apologize, regardless of the intent of my comment. It’s basic kindness and consideration.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://QandO.net
It’s also the basis for Political Correctness.

I assert that Allen was being insulting, that he intended the insult. That, he should apologize for. But if he honestly did not intend it, then he should only say he is sorry that it was taken incorrectly, not that he was wrong to say it.

Your ’mama’s boy’ example is prime. There was no intent to insult or hurt. You are not apologizing for your choice of words for there is nothing to apologize for. Rather, you are offering condolences for the incurred pain. It’s like telling someone you’re sorry that they’re sick. You didn’t make them sick, and you’re not apologizing for it. You’re simply showing compassion.

It may seem like in the end it’s the same thing, but there is a subtle difference that is being constantly used to bolster the PC movement.
 
Written By: Robb Allen
URL: http://blog.robballen.com
Why are you bending over backwards trying to excuse this? Senator Allen called singled out the darkest-skinned guy in the crowd and called him a monkey!

Perhaps it was just a slip... it’s possible that his French-Tunisian mother used the term in his childhood and it just slipped out in this case. But that’s just a best-case scenario, and not a good one from a racial-sensitivity perspective.

Clearly Jr. Allen isn’t the racial-sensitivity candidate in the senate race, but it’s hard to imagine a real presidential run with that kind of baggage.

The real issue here, again, is why are you trying to exucse this? People are who they are, not who you want them to be. He’s a good ol’ boy racist... there are worse kinds, but you either tolerate his insensitivity or you don’t. Don’t waste your time scrubbing it away.
 
Written By: D.A. Rosenthal
URL: http://
Maybe calling a person of color a monkey is just par for the course in Virginia. After all, it wasn’t Loving v. Massachusettes. Just two weeks ago there was an article in the WaPo about gays leaving Virginia. Maybe the goal is to drive out the Indians too. Whose next? The Chinese?
Senator Allen said "macaca", but the European slur is Macaque. Aside from being a rather obscure slur, the words are pronounced differently
In English, yes. But if his mother was of French/Tunisian origin, she probably spoke French. Continental French. And I would bet a nickel the French do not pronounce it the same way as it is pronounced in English. The genus is macaca.

But more to the point, he used a term that describes a genus of monkeys to describe a human being. So if he didn’t mean Macaque, what exactly did he mean?
So, what’s the likely explanation? Nobody really knows.


Gosh, we just can’t know what he meant. Let’s move on.

You sound a lot like Allen.
Asked what macaca means, Allen said: "I don’t know what it means." He said the word sounds similar to "mohawk," a term that his campaign staff had nicknamed Sidarth because of his haircut. Sidarth said his hairstyle is a mullet — tight on top, long in the back.
Mohawk? He doesn’t know what it means? Right. The man is a liar. Let’s remember, this is George Felix Allen were talking about.

As one blogger noted:
In short, Allen’s very long list of racially insensitive actions has grown again. He’s twice referred to his opponent’s non-white campaign staffer using a term that means monkey, hung a noose from a tree in his law office, displayed a Confederate flag on numerous occasions from 1967-2000, featured the flag in his first statewide television ad in Virginia, signed a Confederate Heritage Month proclamation that described the Civil War as "a four-year struggle for independence and state’s rights," opposed the 1991 Civil Rights Act, opposed creating a holiday for Martin Luther King, voted against changing a racially offensive state song, and initially defended Trent Lott after he praised Strom Thurmond’s Dixiecrat presidential candidacy.
Just admit it: Allen called the guy a monkey. The only person of color in the crowd. And watch the video. It’s creepy. You can hear the laughing in the crowd. "Hey, Allen is making fun of the dark looking guy. That’s my kind of Senator." Allen knew what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Your defense of the man is pathetic Jon. Shame on you.
 
Written By: mkultra
URL: http://
This is an example of the media sqeezing every last ounce of political fallout of a non-issue for the singular purpose of servicing the DNC. There was not a single instance of outcry in the media about Hillary’s obviously racially insensitive comment. Is that all Indian persons contribute to American society? They’re all just a bunch of gas station operators? She said it about the most prominent Indian in recent history. This is nothing but a run-of-the-mill hatchet job by the MSM/DNC conglomerate to torpedo an ideological opponent.
 
Written By: Roger
URL: http://
I have to wonder how many people knew what "macaca" meant before the googled it...

oppps... will I be sued for that?

Just call the videographer from the opposition at your fundraiser a BOOB. That should be particularly neutral unless it happens to be a breast cancer survivor.
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
MK Ultra,

In French many letters are silent...i.e. it’s probably pronounces Makaw or Makawk.
 
Written By: Harun
URL: http://
If Hillary Clinton or George Bush made a slip of the tongue and called someone something that may be a racial slur or may be a word that no one has ever heard, it would be a big deal.

But the fact that George Allen has already been accused of being extremely racist makes this a bigger deal.
 
Written By: Shinobi
URL: http://liesandstatistics.blogspot.com
This site says the French pronunciation is ma-ka-k’
 
Written By: Andy Vance
URL: http://
Actually, in southern France and perhaps other french dialects, the final ’e’ of macaque would be pronounced, more or less as a schwa sound, making the word sound very close to macaca. In standard Parisian, it would be generally pronounced with the final ’e’ being silent.
 
Written By: william
URL: http://
Can we please stop discussing how to pronounce words in French? It’s making me feel dirty and un-American.
 
Written By: ozymandias
URL: http://
There was not a single instance of outcry in the media about Hillary’s obviously racially insensitive comment.
There was an outcry, but she’s a Democrat (needs minority votes) and nobody ever saw her wearing a Confederate flag lapel pin, so yeah, she gets a pass. Context is often helpful, but it hurts George Allen in this case.
This site says the French pronunciation is ma-ka-k’
There are many ways to pronounce everything in French, depending on where you grew up or learned the language. It sounds different in North Africa, Vietnam, Haiti, Marseilles, Paris, and Quebec.

He called the guy a monkey. How nasty he meant to be is hard to know, and one shouldn’t assume the worst, but senators with high-office hopes should and will be held to a high standard.


 
Written By: D.A. Rosenthal
URL: http://
Can we please stop discussing how to pronounce words in French?

Vous êtes une pomme de terre avec le visage d’un cochon d’inde!
 
Written By: Andy Vance
URL: http://
I am not defending him.

My point is that macaca may indeed sound the same in French, even though spelled "macaque". If anything, that seems to indicate that he did indeed call the fellow "a monkey."
 
Written By: william
URL: http://
And they say people still honor the First Amendment in this country. Hah! Here we are parsing the pronounciation of a possibly made-up word to determine a man’s political future. Go ahead keep up the fantasy of freedom of speech. I’m with Robb on this one.
 
Written By: The Poet Omar
URL: http://www.asecondhandconjecture.com
Vous êtes une pomme de terre avec le visage d’un cochon d’inde!

COMMUNIST!
 
Written By: ozymandias
URL: http://
Jeez - I guess I’m the silly one who just thought macaca meant crazy. Of course, the only place I ever heard the word used was in the preamble to the live version of Jimmy Buffet’s ’you’ll never work in this business again’. It starts with a landlord saying ’I’m pulling the plug on this whole macaca affair’.

Wow you really went after him MK. Could you provide the link to your addressing Hilary’s mis queues? And what exactly did you have to say about Biden and his thoughts on Indians and convenience stores?

***queue the crickets***

I wonder how MKultra is pronounced in French?
 
Written By: meagain
URL: http://
"But the fact that George Allen has already been accused of being extremely racist makes this a bigger deal."

This is, of course, more calculated disinformation intended to take a shovel to a strong Republican candidate who may be the next President. Review his record: http://allen.senate.gov/public/ for yourself,
rather than reading pajamas boys with spoon-fed conspiracies courtesy of their leftists professors. America needs a strong on defense and homeland security President in 2008. Not a race pandering hypocrite like Clinton who had three black appointees. One (Vernon Jourdan) who brought him dates (Monica being one) another (Joslin Elders) whom he fired and Ron Brown who mysteriously died in a plane crash after threatening to go forward about China Gate.
 
Written By: Roger
URL: http://
"Spoon-fed conspiracies" is only two sentences away from implying that Clinton killed his Secretary of Commerce. Way to be blissfully ignorant of one’s one irony, Roger!
 
Written By: Danny
URL: http://
Part of the campaign trail is examining and weeding out candidates that say or do too many stupid things.

Howard Dean. Gary Hart. Allen Keyes.

Allen whiffed big time on one day. He has said other dumb things to Religious Right yokels that might bite him, too.

One dumb remark does not a failed candidacy make - but George Allen’s faux pas does go on a list partisans and media happily compile and track of all candidates.

If nothing else, people will be thinking, Newt, Mitt, and Rudy wouldn’t say something that stupid. [Giving Rudy a pass of course on his mistresses on the public payroll because the guy was not found in the Tidal Basin, wig askew, with a floosie - and he was far more discrete than other NYC fatcats or his buddy in nookie-chasing Bernie Kerick, at least until his addled ex-wife went public] (And Newt just presented divorce papers to his badly-ill ex-wife on her hospital bed thinking she might die before he could get rid of estate difficulties..he didn’t taunt her publicly!)

And spin doctors and handlers deal with it.

Some things can rise to enough to derail a candidate all on their own if the candidate is weak or starting out as an unknown. "Oops, I said I was a Vietnam combat Vet. I got carried away. I had a college deferment. What I meant to say is that I wish I was a Vietnam combat Vet. What? I have to drop out of the mayor’s race???"

Bill Frist had his stupendously stupid moment as "Dr. Video cardiac surgeon posing as a brain specialist" "Just from looking at the video you can diagnose that Teri Schiavo is as aware and cognitive as you or I." Even if he wasn’t a horrible Senate Leader, the sheer imbecility of Frist would have torpedo’d his being a credible candidate.
 
Written By: C. Ford
URL: http://
Vous êtes une pomme de terre avec le visage d’un cochon d’inde!
It’s Greek to me...
 
Written By: Keith, Indy
URL: http://
It isn’t a conspiracy Danny.
 
Written By: Roger
URL: http://
Having stumbled across this libetarian blog and comments through a Google link, as a liberal Democrat I’m happy to see that there is a political group of people who make the Democrats look calm and sensible.

Thanks for the laughs

BTW, Gore didn’t claim he invented the internet, and no matter how often that Republican lie is repeated, it’s sad when a positive contribution by a politician is lied about and used as an insult.

I wonder how many libertarians would have given early support to the investments in the internet by the f*deral g*vernment.

 
Written By: rjw
URL: http://
None of us would have. That being said, between investment in the internet and war in Iraq, many of us would prefer investment in the internet and many of us will be voting Democratic this fall.
 
Written By: william
URL: http://
Al Gore never said he invented the internet. When quoting famous liars, try to be accurate.
 
Written By: Lloyd Lachow
URL: http://www.qando.net/
Macaca is Virginian for Sambo.
 
Written By: Tommy
URL: http://
From a neutral marketing perspective, this event does show the political utility of having your own camera record every one of your opponent’s public events. Do all campaigns do this?
 
Written By: Scout
URL: http://
RJW and Lloyd Lachow,
BTW, Gore didn’t claim he invented the internet, and no matter how often that Republican lie is repeated, it’s sad when a positive contribution by a politician is lied about and used as an insult.
Wow. Talk about missing the point: "In the pantheon of political scandals that required a real stretch..."

Advice to Jon: Use smaller words.
 
Written By: rammage
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
Gee, if only MK and various other leftoids would show the same anger over something like....oh, lets say a Democrat blogger portraying their opponents in blackface, just to use a totally random example.

Until then, this is just a sideshow with the usual hypocrites making their empty denounciations.
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Let’s take this logically

Allen wrote "nigger" on his school wall
Allen was made to apologize over school PA
Allen had confederate stickers on his car
Allen had confederate flag in his living room displayed prominently
Allen had a display with noose hanging from a tree
Allen opposed Martin Luther King holiday
Allen replaced the only black trustee at Univ of Virginia
Allen calls an Indian American "monkey".


Allen is a RACIST.
 
Written By: ben
URL: http://
DAMN I SURE WISH ALLEN WASNT THE FORMER PRES CANDIDATE.

I ALWAYS SAID HIS HEAD IS TOO BIG AND HIS FRONT TEETH HAVE TOO BIG OF A GAP TO EVER BE PRES.
 
Written By: billy
URL: http://
I’m outraged... outraged I tell you.
(psst, what am I supposed to be outraged about)

(oh yeah,) He used the N word
(he didnt? Oooh the M word)
He used the M word - its outrageous I’m telling you.
(psst, what’s the M word)

He called someone a mickawhah, umm a miqallall, A MICACA... OUTRAGEOUS I tell you (hum, isnt that spanish for my house...)
(psst, seriously if its not my house, what does it mean?)

(really... your serious about its meaning... I mean I’ve never heard of it.)

OUTRAGEOUS I tell you... how can a potential presidental candidate use the N M word...
lets tar and feather him
lets silence him
...Outrageous I’m telling you!
what a homophobe
what an islamophobe
what a SEXIST
WHAT A RACIST!

How utterly appalling.

It’s (manufactured) outrage I’m telling you!
 
Written By: bains
URL: http://
I’d apologize, regardless of the intent of my comment. It’s basic kindness and consideration.

This is what is sometimes called manners, Robb Allen. Most people understand it is easy to unintentionally offend someone, and the reasonable thing to do afterwards is apologize.

Having said that, Allen did not do what he did unintentionally. It appears he called the young man a monkey in a language he learned from his mother. You know, the way someone who speaks Spanish might call you a pandejo.

 
Written By: Pug
URL: http://
Getting lost in arguments over Sen. Allen’s intentions and whether his comment was or was not a race-based insult, it seems to me, misses a very important point.
Watching the video, what struck me more than anything was the bullying nature of Allen’s actions — the way he tried to rally the crowd together by getting them focused on the clear outsider. Whether it was based on Sidarth’s party affiliation or skin color, it was Allen saying, "Here’s someone we can all pick on together!"
It reminds me of the group of high school jocks picking on the kid with the slide rule.
It certainly isn’t the kind of behavior I would expect from a senator — or from a potential future president.
 
Written By: Dave
URL: http://
Gee, if only MK and various other leftoids would show the same anger over something like....oh, lets say a Democrat blogger portraying their opponents in blackface, just to use a totally random example.

Until then, this is just a sideshow with the usual hypocrites making their empty denounciations.
I guess I didn’t know that Jane Hamsher was a sitting United States Senator and a leading candidate for President of the United States of America. Thanks for the update, Shark.

From Blogs for Bush - straw poll taken of GOP bloggers - 7/24/06:
As of this writing, about 6,000 votes have been cast, and the surprising thing for me is that George Allen has the most positive votes at 4,111 (meaning that of the 5,951 respondents, 4,111 have no problem with him being the GOP nominee in 2008).

Allen is currently a Senator from Virginia, which would normally be the kiss of political death for a prosepctive Presidential candidate, except for the fact that the Democrats might very well nominate a Senator (Clinton, Kerry, Edwards...or even Gore, who was once a Senator) and the fact that Allen has executive experience in once being the very popular governor of Virginia. Allen is fiscally conservative and while some question his social conservative credentials, he has earned a "0" rating from NARAL, which indicates that he’s not exactly pro-abortion. Allen would in no way be a weak Republican candidate for 2008, and he seems to have already struck a responsive cord with the GOP.
I bet he has. And now we know why.

It’s just good to know there is no factual basis for all those accusations of racism that the loony left throws at the GOP.



 
Written By: mkultra
URL: http://
Forget the French Tunisia thing.

I was raised in Virginia and have heard ’macaca’ used by relatives my mother was ashamed of to descibe anyone who was brown.

It’s a white power word. It means monkey. It’s well-known to a lot of white Virginians. Allen was smug and smiling BOTH times he said it. Thought he was being clever and funny. He knew what he was doing.

He’s a racist pig. His ’apology’ was crap.
 
Written By: ellen
URL: http://
My mother was a cajun who’s first language was French. Believe me I heard "T" Macaque growing up, aimed at me. I was running around like a little monkey.
She would say. So if he did call this guy a monkey, so what?
I think lots of people act like monkeys.
 
Written By: kyle N
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
Forget the French Tunisia thing.

I was raised in Virginia and have heard ’macaca’ used by relatives my mother was ashamed of to descibe anyone who was brown.

It’s a white power word. It means monkey. It’s well-known to a lot of white Virginians. Allen was smug and smiling BOTH times he said it. Thought he was being clever and funny. He knew what he was doing.

He’s a racist pig. His ’apology’ was crap.
You, ma’am, are a liar.

If some of you all get your jollies calling Allen and all Republicans racists, have fun. Personally I think your dolts for doing so, but whatever. It’s your life.

But don’t besmirch all of Virginia with know-nothing and downright ignorant comments like this.
 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
Jumpin’ June Bugs...

A) The confederate flag does not = racist. I wore / flew it all the time as a kid. I ain’t white. It means something different to many in the South. Again, you can’t attach your personal signifiers to something I do.

B) I’ve used the ’n’ word. I’m willing to bet MKUltra has said a discouraging word about someone based on their skin (God knows he says enough about someone based on their political affiliations). You schmucks make it sound like you’re all the Virgin Mary, free of all sin, or something.

C)I know how we can make it all better for you MK and pals - we’ll elect the f*cker Grand Klegal of the KKK, and make him a Democratic Senator. Then you ladies will hurt your backs as you try to bend over backwards to makes excuses to why you’d elect a former member of the f*cking KLAN and then have the temerity to claim the GOP is the racist party.

Does this absolve Allen? Nope. But you guys shout RACIST!! in hopes that you’ll drown out the opposition since you’re arguments are vapid.
 
Written By: Robb Allen
URL: http://blog.robballen.com
Usually MK is just funny. His brain is like an LED screen. Whatever the Liberal Narration newly claims, he is the first one to trumpet it to the world. As the DNC agrees in a show of hands in their campaign caucus, each possible Republican candidate will be ascribed a major flaw (in some cases more than one, if they are easily linked). Then the NYT features a story prominently decrying the flaw. The MKs of the world then do their part.
MK knows Jack about Mr. Allen. Everything he knows he got from the LN thumbnail - and that is all he needs for his vaucuous view of politics. Keep chiming in, MK. You are an infallible witness of the latest turn in the LN.
"Maybe calling a person of color a monkey is just par for the course in Virginia."
What are we to make of this comment. Is it not classic liberal race-baiting? Yes, sadly, MK is a race-baiter. There is the evidence. Unfortunately, it comes with having liberal commenters. Sigh. PC freaks and race-baiters.

It is a sad day for the Republic when a political operative, who must be fully aware that a traditional part of his job is being publicly insulted by the opposition, (usually artfully so for humorous purposes, but not necessarily always) is singled out by liberals specifically because of his race and treated differently from his white counterparts for cheap political purposes.


 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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A) The confederate flag does not = racist. I wore / flew it all the time as a kid. I ain’t white. It means something different to many in the South. Again, you can’t attach your personal signifiers to something I do.
Such a compelling argument. I wore it as a kid, therefore it is not racist.

Actually, it is even more than racist. It is a battle flag for millions of people who declared war on the United States of America. I think people who declare war on the United States are bad and their symbols are therefore bad. Call me crazy.
B) I’ve used the ’n’ word. I’m willing to bet MKUltra has said a discouraging word about someone based on their skin (God knows he says enough about someone based on their political affiliations). You schmucks make it sound like you’re all the Virgin Mary, free of all sin, or something.
So one has to be free of sin to call someone on their racism? In what universe do you live in? "Gosh, I would criticize the Klan, but seeing as how I have sinned, that really wouldn’t be right."
Usually MK is just funny. His brain is like an LED screen. Whatever the Liberal Narration newly claims, he is the first one to trumpet it to the world.
So being opposed to a racist politician makes one a liberal? Guess I’m a liberal then. What are you?
MK knows Jack about Mr. Allen. Everything he knows he got from the LN thumbnail - and that is all he needs for his vaucuous view of politics. Keep chiming in, MK. You are an infallible witness of the latest turn in the LN.
Oh yes, Allen is sure a deep kind of guy. Really hard to figure out. Tough nut to crack, that Allen.
What are we to make of this comment. Is it not classic liberal race-baiting? Yes, sadly, MK is a race-baiter. There is the evidence. Unfortunately, it comes with having liberal commenters. Sigh. PC freaks and race-baiters.
Do you even know what the term "race baiting" means? I’m guessing not.
Race baiting is the act of using racially derisive language, actions or other forms of communication to anger or intimidate a person or groups of people, or to make those persons behave in ways that are inimical to their personal or group interests


Yes, you’re right Robert, I used racially derisive language to anger or intimidate a group of people. You got me pegged.

 
Written By: mkultra
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Um, point number four doesn’t really stand up, unless you think the beltway isn’t in America (though Stephen Colbert might agree). He said Virginia AND America.
 
Written By: Matt
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Why are you bending over backwards trying to excuse this? Senator Allen called singled out the darkest-skinned guy in the crowd and called him a monkey!

Quick! Look over there! Vince Foster! Monicagate!
 
Written By: jpe
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You schmucks make it sound like you’re all the Virgin Mary, free of all sin, or something.

Moral relativism much?
 
Written By: jpe
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mkultra said:
Yes I used racially derisive language to anger and intimidate a group of people.
See, See, mkultra just admitted he’s a RACIST!

To all those here calling for the virtual lynching of Sen. Allen, and who, in almost certainty wouldn’t vote for him anyway - even if he gets through a presidential primary he hasn’t even admitted to be running in, when your done fisking me, use the exact same process upon your own arguments against Allen.

The intellectually honest will realize that manufacturing outrage is as likely to dissuade rather than persuade.

Apologies to mk, who usually isnt so hyperbolic.



 
Written By: bains
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Both Jane Hamsher and Senator Allen’s little racial escapades were unwise, and a negative personality indicator. However, Hamsher’s a blogger and Senator Allen is a wannabe presidential candidates. And only one of these two have a history of questionable statements and decisions on the race card. Allen is in more trouble than Hamsher, and it’s all very logical. Allen is, yes, also suffering from popular perceptions of the republican party as racist-friendly. True or untrue, it don’t matter.

Personally, I don’t care much about either event. It wouldn’t be enough to stop me from voting for George Allen if he wasn’t already a complete waste of breath. He is. It would be enough to discourage me, though, not for the slip of the tongue, but because I find the evidence convincing that he probably really is a racist, or at minimum, a jerk.



 
Written By: glasnost
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bains, manufacturing outrage works all the time.

It’s practically the only discernable purpose of the political blogosphere.

And this is from someone who doesn’t think this is much of a big deal. It’s absolutely a shot to the teeth for Allen. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have apolgized.


 
Written By: glasnost
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bains, manufacturing outrage works all the time.
It’s practically the only discernable purpose of the political blogosphere.
ahh, another sarcastic cynic...

Seriously though, what surprises me about this blogswarm is that Allen is so far off my political radar. A first term Sen., ex-Gov of VA doesn’t play well out here in Colorado... Irrespective of his linguistic proclivities. Calling him a racist on such unpersuasive evidence calls to question his accusers more than his hidden predispositions.






 
Written By: bains
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In the pantheon of political scandals that required a real stretch, it’s hard to top ... when Gore said he invented the internet!
Not really. That one is a baby stretch, if that. True, Gore didn’t really use the word "invent," but the claim that he did make - to have taken initiative in creating it - was just as ridiculous, given that his putative creation had been around since he was a kid. Gore could have rightly claimed to have taken initiative in promoting the Internet or helping to expand it in the early 1990s, but those lesser claims just weren’t good enough. He had to go for the gold, and take credit for the fact that there is an Internet at all. And judging by Wolf Blitzer’s response at the time, it almost worked.
 
Written By: Xrlq
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"His [MK’s] brain is like an LED screen. Whatever the Liberal Narration newly claims, he is the first one to trumpet it to the world. "
"...Guess I’m a liberal then."
I guess, in this case, I am the last to know. In the past few days I have accused three liberals here of having no independent thoughts outside the Liberal Narrative [fully expecting a denial] only to have the responses take that accusation as merely part of the accusation of their being liberal. Perhaps they are proud that they know the "catechism" so well? Is being a parrot a good thing, if one does it well? Is it a "solidarity" thing?

Their response? "I am a liberal." WTF?

 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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Rob:

Since you never specified your exactly what this vast Liberal Narrative you’re talking about is specifically, its specific and unchanging parameters, how are your targeted victims supposed to point to a position on which they disagree with it?

Since you never make any substantive arguments against this narrative, relying only on lame insults, why should we bother to dissasociate ourselves?

Lastly, since you never propose a useful or interesting idea of your own, why should we give a flying f*** about what you think?

You’re the least interesting and most obsessive of the conservative trolls on here, and that’s saying a lot. You’re a one-trick smear campaign with a name, and and unsubstantive one at that.
 
Written By: glasnost
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However, Hamsher’s a blogger and Senator Allen is a wannabe presidential candidates.
Not quite...Hamsher WORKED for Lamont, and he knows all about her, his pathetic lie aside, and where was the denouncination from him?

And that man is a candidate for US Senate, is in fact the darling of the hard left.

Silence....

I refuse to listen to the hyperventilating MKs and Glasnosts of the world on this issue as they gleefully try to play racial politics. I welcome someone with a more consistant (read: less partisian) view on the matter. Having heard the same broken record from these hypocrites since I started following politics (GOP RACIST! GOP RACIST! GOP RACIST!) followed by deafening silence whenever a Dem "slipped" (or drowned someone in a car for that matter)I cannot give them any creedance. One of the senior Dem senators is a former Klansman for gods sake!!!!

OOOOOOOOPS~

Two of the Dems most revered "reverends" have a history of making racial slurs (Jesse Jackson) or incitment of racial violence/tensions (Al Sharpton)

OOOOOOOOPS~

I don’t know what Allen did, if it was a slur or not. But hearing MKKK and Glasnost jump in sure does help clarify my opinion on the matter
 
Written By: SHARK
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Shark:

I refuse to listen to the hyperventilating MKs and Glasnosts of the world

Do you even read my posts before writing up your hysterical responses?

Not quite...Hamsher WORKED for Lamont

Does that mean that Powerline WORKS for Lieberman, pray tell?
 
Written By: glasnost
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"people who declared war on the United States of America."

I believe they declared independance, the United States declared war on them.


Since Allen is a politician, there is some credibility to his claim of ignorance.
Actually, though, the word is quite similar to the word "makoka", which is from an obscure dialect found in the northeast of Wales and only spoken in one village. I know this because my parents told me that I am probably part Welsh.
 
Written By: timactual
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Does that mean that Powerline WORKS for Lieberman, pray tell?
When the Powerline boys involve themselves with a Lieberman commercial shoot like Hamsher did for Lamont, I’ll allow you to credibly make that claim.

Otherwise, quite the disingenuous deflection.
 
Written By: shark
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"You’re a one-trick smear campaign ... and and unsubstantive one at that. "
I’m beginning to get a glimmer. Mona is very big on that "substantive" thing as well (one of the clues to determining her true classification). So, let me get this straight. If I decided to become a liberal, I too could learn (by assiduously reading the NYT and avoiding all conflicting information) to be a liberal. Then I would be able to speak with the voice of 10,000 (not to exagerate) and I too could be "substantive". I would, of course, have to limit my stated positions and discussions thereof to the Narrative, else I lose the "substantiveness" and just be me.
I get that. But, having turned my thinking over to the NYT, how does one ignore conflicting information? Someone like Shark is always pointing out what idiots are included in my new "voice of 10,000" (see comment above about the very reverend Jackson and Al Sharpton, et al.) I know it is some version of putting ones fingers in ones ears and loudly chanting, but how does one read the opposition without gaining any understanding?
And, while we are pondering how to be a liberal, how does one ignore the abject failoure of so many liberal programs and the idiocy of PC? I think the answers are that these things are "unsubstantive", but how and why they are...
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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As a lifetime VA resident, it is pretty obvious that Allen is a racist. He wanted to appeal to conservative white SW voters and needed race to get their full approval.

he has a big surprise though coming soon. VA is not all white conservatives and the NOVA DEM sprawl as reached farther than he thinks
 
Written By: bryan
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Eh...if it was a racial joke, it was a pretty lame one. I don’t think he’s disqualified himself any more than Hillary did with her Ghandi joke
 
Written By: shark
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QUOTE
"people who declared war on the United States of America."

I believe they declared independance, the United States declared war on them.
END QUOTE

So far as I am aware, there is no dispute as to who opened fire at Fort Sumter.
 
Written By: rjw
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That’s OK, ’nost. Maybe the NYT will run something on the LN. Then you will know what you think about it and, of course, it will then be "substantive" and you can discuss it. Or just link the NYT. Whatever.
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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As they noted on The Daily Show, it hasn’t been determined yet if Allen’s bullying racism will actually help him or hurt him with Virginia voters.

Some apology! *L* Allen says Macaca misinterpreted his remarks and if he had his feelings hurt, that wasn’t his intention.

We heard from three Allen staffers today that Macaca was actually the long-term name the Allen campaign had given this campaign observer.

They stated it was a hybrid of Mo (for the Mohawk he doesn’t have) and Caca which is slang for sh*t.

So, in other words, Allen said, "Welcome to America, Sh*thead" and prescribes the only problem is this Macaca-head for having let his feelings get hurt unnecessarily.

What’s really rich is Allen, the spoiled boy who grew up in the affluent Palos Verdes in Southern Cal and never reached Virginia until he transferred there from UCLA, felt the need to welcome to "the real Virginia" (much less America) a lad who was born and raised in Fairfax, Va., and has lived in the state his entire life.

As George Felix Allen Junior’s sister wrote in Fifth Quarter: The Scrimmage of a Football Coach’s Daughter, Felix often sadistically attacked his younger siblings during his childhood.

Like most of these NeoCon chickenhawks, they’re naturally bullyboys at heart. Only Felix is stupid enough to display it to a guy holding a video camera. Say goodbye to that Presidential run!

What’s evident of this thread, like the gang that won’t let Rumsfeld go, is that sometimes folks get so invested in a policy or a demented personality, they simply can’t let go, much less see the forest for the trees.
 
Written By: filmex
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As a Jewish-American, Senator George Allen should have shown a higher degree of sensitivity and care with regards to racist conduct. His mother, Henrietta Lumbroso, was a Jewish immigrant of Tunisian/Italian/French background.

Trying to portray himself as a WASPY "good old boy" from Virginia just shows how dishonest, elitist, and racist he actually is.
 
Written By: Machaca Man
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OK I’ve finally watched the video. I can’t decide from it if Allen is a racist. But it is clear that he’s a bully who likes to single out someone in a group and ridicule them. What a way to work a crowd!

And now he’s denying that he intended to insult anybody. After you’ve seen the video, you can’t avoid thinking that he’s lying. I mean, the snideness he’s directing toward "Macaca or whatever his name is" is palpable.

 
Written By: Pat Riley
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I go with the "monkey" definition, which is pretty poor for a politician...but what he said afterwards..."Welcome to America"? The combination of the two is what did it for me. In essence Allen called the kid a "foreign monkey". Yuck.
 
Written By: capelza
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Everyone is wasting too much time on the meaning of "Macaca". What’s important is the WAY the word is used. Allen was pointing out the only non-white person on the site and demeaning him. Not as a worker for his opponent, but as a "furriner".Allen was born and raised in California. He had no way of knowing that Sidarth was born and raised in Virginia; Allen assumed his white skin made him more "American," more "Virginian".
I shudder to think what Allen would have called Sidarth had he been Asian or African American.
 
Written By: jnik
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The people on this blog who are either defending Sen. Allen or trying to obfuscate the main issues are simply throwing the same three arguments over and over: 1.) Sen. Allen’s comments were not entirely intentional 2.) Sen. Allen’s, although intentional, are basically harmless, and 3.) Democrats are worse, especially Hillary, and college professors ( . . . and the same old Rush Limbaugh line of argument). Come on, that picayune stuff drowns out blogging.

This is a real issue we’ve got here, and it’s real for a lot of people. I live in East Tennessee, and while I’m well aware that most people in the South are not racist, GOP candidates can, and occassionally do, benefit by reaching out to racist groups, who still have a strong foothold in the south. And for every bonafide racist there are ten more people who are uncomfortable enough with racial integration that they will at least prick up their years when someone seems "extra Southern."

The question is: If the Republican party can benefit itself with candidates who toss out the occassional racial slur, is the party okay with that on a national level? It sounds like many people on this blog would say, "yes, absolutely, nothing about a racial epithet really ruffles my feathers. I don’t think it matters."

That’s great. I think that attitude is the end of the line for the red-state party. Outside blog-world that dog will not hunt. Sorry.
 
Written By: William Payne
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As Jon concludes: "So, what’s the likely explanation? Nobody really knows."

Well put. The dictionary defines macaca as a type of monkey, but why assume a candidate actually speaks English? To me it sounded more like Allen had once heard the camera person’s name, and was trying to play on it, as in "it’s not important what you are really called, because you work for the enemy anyway". Except of course "Macaca" sounds in nothing like Sidarth, the filmer’s name.

So it’s likely Allen wasn’t playing off the guy’s name, but was calling him a name. What he meant by that nobody will ever know. But it is not hard to guess how his audience interpreted the name, even if they did not know what it meant.

In short; Allen is unintelligible, and his fans will have to decide whether they want to vote for somebody nobody can understand.
 
Written By: Branko Collin
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Why is it that sidarth has now stated that he did know what macaca meant when george allen said it. In a previous interveiw he had siad that he did not know what it meant but it sounded offensive. aannywaysssss.... GEORGE ALLEN RULES
 
Written By: pete
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I’ve never been a big fan of George Allen.
But this is getting carried away.. It was a stupid comment by any stretch but by no means that big of a deal... And all you charming left-wing ideologues, if you want to see some REAL racism go a little bit further west than Virginia — try California on for a try... OOHH!!!! You mean a left-leaning state like California could be racist? Of course! It has the highest percentage of racist organisations in the US. Or for that matter that California has the highest percentage of racists plus one of the most blatantly racist histories in the US? Get over yourselves... And stop pig-piling on the South already. One of my cousisns is from there. She happens to be black AND happens to have a confederate flag... This whole thing is totally manufactured and fake. The crisis du jour... The calamity of calamities!!! For crying out loud people need to get a life if they lose their heads over every stupid little comment ever made in history.
 
Written By: Christopher
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I saw the tape and it looks like G. Allen was just pointing out someone who he knew to be there for alternative reasons. I think if Webb was hounded at every event by an Allen rep. that he might have done something similar. We might have all referred to someone else by a reference indicating their true intent was known and you wanted them to know that you knew. I think too much of this is being made. Then there is Webb who will not honor N. Reagan’s request to pull an ad with former President Reagan. Webb says it speaks of Reagan’s PAST respect of Webb and where it may, that doesn’t mean that Reagan TODAY would still feel the same way about Webb.
 
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George Allen is a hero for white people everywhere who are sick and tired of the flooding into this country of illegal and brown immigrants, those vermin who steal our jobs and wreak havoc on our schools and criminal justice systems.

When Mel Gibson dared to utter negativities against the Jews he issued a formal apology. But George Allen did not even insult this dark skinned Indian mutant - George Allen did not even know what a Macaca was! And certainly he was not aware of his Jewish heritage because his mother tried to protect him from persecution, which he is facing now. And I do not believe one word of his sister Jennifer that George Allen used to beat up his family members regularly. And keeping a noose in his law office? That was all just fun and games, like his love for the confederate flag and dislke for illegal immigrants and other criminal dark skinned immigrants in this country, draining our tax dollars for no reason.

Finally there is a tough honest man who is not afraid to tell it like it is - he is a real cowboy, much like the men who founded this great country, and I for one am going to vote for this great man for U.S. Senate as well as for the Presidency of the United States - G_d Bless him!

-Franni Libovitz
 
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