It just more birth pangs.
Who would have thought that 30 years of occupation and subjugation by a foreign power would result in chaos when the occupier left? Couldn’t see that one coming, no siree bob. Kind of like Iraq. 35 years under the boot of the Baath Party and Saddam. Remove the boot, and chaos ensues.
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We are still trapped by the mentality of conspiracy theories - one that has limited our capability to think." Hamad is also a member of the DNC I guess...
In all seriousness, this is a good - if tiny- sign. Once Israel left Gaza, they were responsible for themselves. Nobody else to rationally blame.
Maybe if more of them start to think before they blow themselves up in a pizzeria, they’ll have a chance. |
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Couldn’t see that one coming Just like MKKK blaming the Joooos as usual, couldn’t see that one coming either... |
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35 years under the boot of the Baath Party and Saddam. Remove the boot, and chaos ensues. Yup ... no PA government or anything around to take charge, huh MK? Amazing.
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Personally he’d have been better to have blamed BUSH....Who would have thought that 30 years of occupation and subjugation by a foreign power would result in chaos when the occupier left?
Don’t do math do you MK, 30 years is 1976, you mean 58 years, to include of course Egypt.
Kind of like Iraq. 35 years under the boot of the Baath Party and Saddam. Remove the boot, and chaos ensues. Huuuu’uuuum and to think the battle cry of the Left used to be "Remove the boot" NOW it’s "Leave the Boot in place" or is it "He’s an SOB, but he’s OUR SOB?" When did the line switch, BTW?
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When did the line switch, BTW When Bush was elected... |
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Dismissing Israel’s responsibility for the growing state of anarchy and lawlessness in the Gaza Strip, Hamad said it was time for the Palestinians to embark on a soul-searching process to see where they erred. This is what drunks usually call a "moment of clarity". More please! |
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This is what drunks usually call a "moment of clarity". More please! Yup. Now we have to get a whole bunch of "drunks" over there to have the same sort of moment. |
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Who would have thought that 30 years of occupation and subjugation by a foreign power would result in chaos when the occupier left? Couldn’t see that one coming, no siree bob. Kind of like Iraq. 35 years under the boot of the Baath Party and Saddam. Remove the boot, and chaos ensues. Let’s see -
Prior to the Turks, occupied by the Mamluks
Occupied by the Ottoman Turks up until World War One.
Occupied by the British/French between World War One and 1948.
Then the evil jooooooos occupied the land and put these otherwise free and independent people under occupation!
Where’s the justice!
Those Bush like, Bush favored, Bush friendly occupiers!
Dang them and their occupying ways! Free Palestine!
Their thousands of years of freedom and non-occupation came to an end when the Jooooos showed up!
Darn the Jews! Darn Bush!
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Sorry, I left out the French occupation in 1799 - but it only lasted a few months, so I didn’t think anyone would notice..... |
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Wonder if that piece made it on the aljazeera network |
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Don’t read too much into all this soulsearchingincreasing our gains is still Palispeak for ’kill more Jooos.’ |
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The Palestinians are just imbecilic subhumans.
No more to be said. |
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If you do a little reading on this guy he has always been critical of palestinian goverments responsibility to establish and maintain the local peace but this seems to be first time that he hasn’t placed partial blame on Israel for the anarchy that has been going.
Maybe a leopard can change his spots. |
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The most telling line ever said. "We are still trapped by the mentality of conspiracy theories - one that has limited our capability to think." Free your mind and your a$$ will follow, otherwise you will continue to be "The sock puppet to the arab world." All though it is just one individual, it is still a ray of hope that more lucent heads are in the region. |
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Sure, Israel has no responsibility at all for the ten-mile strip of land it ran as a police state for 35 years, ending six months ago, and that it has kept under a total land, sea and air blockade since then. Just make some severed limbs bounce when the Kassams fall, and it’s off to a bright future for everyone.
Frankly, the US’s policies in Iraq smell sweet as a rose by comparison. The US, despite serious cognitive dissonance, has at least grasped the basic idea of creating stable environments for moderates and supporting them. Israel hasn’t gotten quite that far in their thinking yet, unfortunately for everyone involved, them included.
The "culture of death" is a weapon in a propaganda war, nothing more. |
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Great post, big M. I’m glad to see a little ray of sunshine coming from an otherwise very very gloomy part of the world. Honestly, in the fairly brief time I spent in Israel and the territories (3 years, give or take), as much as I wanted to sympathize with the Pals, it was tough to do so. Never have I met a people more determined to sabotage themselves. Yes, they have been trampled on by numerous nations throughout their history. Yes, they have been under the sway of radical Marxist-nationalist crooks until recently (Arafat and Co.). Yes, they lack any kind of developed economy or infrastructure. Despite all of this, however, they have certainly been offered chances to improve their lot in life and everytime they have chosen to flush said chances down the commode.
I’ve always felt sorry for the Pals, despite the fact that they make it hard to do so sometimes. They are a good-hearted people, but they let conspiracy theorists, racists, and political hacks control their destiny. To put this into perspective, imagine if African-Americans collectively appointed Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and Malik Zulu Shabazz as their de-facto, unquestioned leaders. Think about what the result would be. That’s what the Palestinians have lived with for forty years. I don’t absolve them of the responsibility for electing such men, but I would hope that we can at least sympathize with their predicament especially in light of the fact that some of them appear to be willing to take a critical look at their recent history and propose some positive changes. |
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The hope that the Palestinians start being more responsible for themselves is the right hope; withdrawal was the right policy.
Continued Palestinian attacks is part of the price — but at least some of the Hamas folk understand it’s a Pali problem, not an Israeli caused problem.
I suspect Hamad will be murdered soon — one of the failures of Israel has been to avoid noting the individual names and histories of the many Palestinians murdered by other Palestinians.
Western aid which goes to "gov’t" always goes to increase the violence in the society — gov’t is force. The aid should go directly to business organizations to create wealth, thru peaceful agreement and toleration of disagreement. Companies are how humans organize to peacefully create wealth — and that’s what the Palestinians need more of.
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Yah it’s the Israelis FAULT Glasnost... the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and HAMAS had NOTHING to do with the problems in Gaza. The corruption and authoritarian government of the PA, since the 1990’s has had NOTHING to do with the problems in Gaza. The fact that the PA would rather promote violence against Israel rather than develop the Gaza/Palestinian economy, all the while pocketing huge portions of the budget of the PA, has NOTHING to do with the problems of Gaza. That’s a nice little story you tell, but that’s pretty much what it is, a story. |
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Joe -
The people who continue to see the Palestinians as victims can’t see it any other way.
How they justify the behavior of these victims (rocket attacks, bus bombs, pizzaria bombs, mall bombs, self imposed economic embargos) stricly based on the fact that Israel responds to them in a negative fashion (counter attacks when attacked) is beyond me.
Same thing for Hezbollah.
Let’s not talk about how it started, let’s talk about how the joooooos responded to it!
Doh!
I’ve been watching these victims off and on for over 40 years. Victimhood has become their job, and they can’t move beyond it,. It gives them an excuse if they don’t get it together as a people. Just like terrorism has been their leaders job, and they’ve made a sweet buck at it.
But hey, that’s all the fault of the jews you see, they just love the continued strife, bombings and security up the wazooo that they have to live with.
Funny, no one ever points out the Jews just want to raise their kids and be left alone too. I guess people think the Jews like the daily challange of wondering if they’ll get blown up every day. |
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Yah it’s the Israelis FAULT Glasnost... the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and HAMAS had NOTHING to do with the problems in Gaza. The corruption and authoritarian government of the PA, since the 1990’s has had NOTHING to do with the problems in Gaza.
Did I say that? There’s plenty of blame to go around. But, for one example, what is the government of Israel doing, exactly, to take advantage of opportunities like this article? Pulling out the settlers and allowing political freedom of action is only the beginning, not the end of, what you could call an obligation on the part of Israel to atone for its 35 years of military repression, or, if it made you more comfortable, you could call a good long-term investment in regional security.
Funny, no one ever points out the Jews just want to raise their kids and be left alone too
So do the Gazans. Just wanting to raise your kids and be left alone, unfortunately, isn’t mutually exclusive of supporting the political figure who promises the highest level of aggression against the other team.
I don’t think Hamas is doing all that bad at internally governing uneducated 1.5 million Gazans in a 10-mile strip blockaded on all four sides during an economic crash. The fact that this guy was allowed to publish this article speaks fairly well of the media freedom. I haven’t really heard about Taliban-style mass coerced Islamization, and Fatah hasn’t been massacred. |
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on the part of Israel to atone for its 35 years of military repression, or, if it made you more comfortable, you could call a good long-term investment in regional security. ATONE, Glasnost are you HIGH??? Until 10 years ago the residents of Gaza and their designated the representatives denied Israel’s right to even EXIST!!! Their current, freely elected government STILL DOES! Atone??You’re insane... Israel jsut didn’t decide to occupy the Gaza Strip for giggles you know and it didn’t CONTINUE to occupy it for imperialism, but because the folks within the strip sadi, Louldy and often "DEATH TOT HE JEWS". Atone for repression...you might try examining the history of the region by putting down works of Edward Said and the hookah....
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Israel jsut didn’t decide to occupy the Gaza Strip for giggles you know and it didn’t CONTINUE to occupy it for imperialism, but because the folks within the strip said,Louldy and often "DEATH TOT HE JEWS
They captured it orginally as a pre-emptive strike agasint Nasser, but they occupied it due to a quasi-official national doctrine of territorial enlargement that was quite consistent with their original ideological goals. Ben Gurion’s statements to his people while accepting the ’48 partition sound a lot like Hamas’ statements today about temporary truces.
The security explanation has become the trendy one, as well as much more realistic thanks to the radicalization and militarization of the Gazan public over the past 15 years. Before that, you must be joking or as ignorant as you accuse me of being. The first infitada was fought with rocks, and the security explanation does not 100% explain the deliberate planting of hundreds of thousands of civilians within the ’security’ belt. And then there’s the annexation of the Golan. Thank you, but try again, please.
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their designated the representatives denied Israel’s right to even EXIST!!!
You know what the big Israeli concession of the Oslo accords was? Palestine’s right to exist. In the 80’s, the official line was, "The Palestinian state is Jordan" - not that they offered to give the territory to Jordan.
It would certainly help is Hamas was willing to catch up with Israel on this score. What that is waiting for is the end of the Israel-Syria cold war. |
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Pulling out the settlers and allowing political freedom of action is only the beginning, not the end of, what you could call an obligation on the part of Israel to atone for its 35 years of military repression, or, if it made you more comfortable, you could call a good long-term investment in regional security. Israel’s obligation? Since ’48 they have faced an Arab world bent on their destruction.
If Arafat signed the peace plan Clinton was trying to broker, he would have been a dead man—because the Palistinians don’t want peace. Get a clue.So do the Gazans. Just wanting to raise your kids and be left alone, Yeah, just wanting to raise the kids to be suicide bombers. The fact that this guy was allowed to publish this article speaks fairly well of the media freedom. I haven’t really heard about Taliban-style mass coerced Islamization, and Fatah hasn’t been massacred. Wow. Easly impressed, I see. What would happen if Fatah had been massacred? How long would IDF stay out? How would Europe and the Arabs blame Israel? And wound’t that distract Palis from killing Jews? |
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The security explanation has become the trendy one, as well as much more realistic thanks to the radicalization and militarization of the Gazan public over the past 15 years. Before that, you must be joking or as ignorant as you accuse me of being. From the beginning, the security explanation has been "realistic". The nature of the security threat has changed, but a real threat was always present. |
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