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Left Alone VS Left Behind
Posted by: Jon Henke on Monday, August 28, 2006

Quoted at The Corner, a line from Andrew Sullivan's new book 'The Conservative Soul'...
"The great and constant dream of the conservative is to be left alone by his own government and by his fellow humans, as much as is possible."
Prediction: the next two election cycles will determine whether control of the Republican Party rests with the Left Alone conservatives or the Left Behind conservatives.
 
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Prediction: the next two election cycles will determine whether control of the Republican Party rests with the Left Alone conservatives or the Left Behind conservatives.
Or those who left conservatism entirely when they got elected to federal office. That’s the one’s I’m betting on.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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The problem is that those of us who wish to be left alone tend not to be joiners and not to be politicians.

 
Written By: Aldo
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"The great and constant dream of the conservative is to be left alone by his own government and by his fellow humans, as much as is possible."
If true - and I think it is - there are hardly any conservatives left in the GOP.


 
Written By: Unknown
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Taking advice on "Conservatism" from Andrew Sullivan is akin to taking advice on "Libertarianism" from Mona....if one ISN’T one then one’s opinion on the subject is suspect.
 
Written By: Joe
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"The great and constant dream of the conservative is to be left alone by his own government and by his fellow humans, as much as is possible."
I don’t believe this to be the goal of the current conservative party. Republicans have a nasty habit of wanting to legislate my morality... and they can’t do that if they ’leave me alone’.
 
Written By: meagain
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If true - and I think it is - there are hardly any conservatives left in the GOP.

By which you mean to say "libertarians"... and of course you’re right, but since they are only ONE faction in the GOP much of the wailing and gnashing of teeth is rather pointless and silly, isn’t it? Just as "social conservatives" are only one faction and THEY are upset witht he decision on RU-486. Of course to many that’s JUST whereas when MY faction is upset, that is UNJUST.
 
Written By: Joe
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The Left Behind People have won. The only small government types left are those to whom interventionism is their most important policy committment. They are willing to overlook just about any transgression against the small government model as long as the Mid East policy continues. Their support of Lieberman is indicative of this, as except for the war and some in-code criticism of Hollywood, Lieberman is about as left as they come.
 
Written By: william
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Republicans have a nasty habit of wanting to legislate my morality
Oh for the love of cr*p. Which criminal laws aren’t the expression of a moral code?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Actually, Mark, many scholars have devoted study to this issue and attempted to delineate standards to distinguish between types of laws, but many actions have historically been illegal in Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence without any accompanying moral code and were known as common-law crimes. Furthermore, public choice law has elucidated that much in legal codes is precisely done without reference to morality, but rather to serve interest groups.

The concepts often used to distinguish the intent of such are often referred to by the latin terms "malum in se" and "malum prohibitum." Malum in se crimes refer to those which virtually everyone agrees should be illegal: rape, murder, assault and battery, theft without excuse, and generally involve an unwilling victim. Sodomy was an exception here. Theses actions were generally illegal at common law, even in the absence of criminal codes.

Malum prohibitum crimes on the other hand refer to actions where something is illegal simply because the government says so and may include: drugs, prostitution, adultery, sodomy, viewing of pornography involving adults, provision or acquisition of goods and services without a license, working on the sabbath and gambling.

Although the term is imprecise, legislating morality is what people seem to generally mean in reference to outlawing victimless crimes. Although Democrats do this also, there is little doubt that Republicans are much more likely to set themselves up as the morality police.
 
Written By: william
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My latin is a little rusty, but for those of you whose latin is nonexistent, I offer the translations:

"Malum in se" - that which is in itself bad
"Malum prohibitum" - that which is bad (by/with/through) prohibition.

Malum in se crimes are demonstrably harmful to life, liberty, or property; malum prohibitum laws are usually justified as leading to or facilitating malum in se crimes, which places them in moral scope, as malum prohibitum=malum in se has underlying it the foundation of belief - usually in the context of a dominant religion, but sometimes simply through social taboo.

The one exception to the excellent list provided by william - or rather, the one debatable categorization to me - is that of drugs. I think it’s not hard to make an argument that drug use is a de facto form of assault. I’m not a lawyer, that’s just an opinion.

Another is that Democrats are historically less stringent about prohibitum than Republicans - but that both groups are deeply rooted in the "for your own good" strata, and that neither party is big on leaving people alone.

-Gil
 
Written By: Gil
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Left Behind conservatives.
I never finished those books, anyone know how they ended?
 
Written By: ChrisB
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All the Jews finally accept Jesus and God smites all the non-Christians and they all live for 1000 years in the New Jerusalem with Jesus as their Ruler.
 
Written By: william
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Damn it william, post a SPOILER WARNING before you do that!
 
Written By: Bitter
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Oops. I guess I should have done that.

Aren’t all of you good Christians who already read Revelation in Sunday School? Well, if you aren’t, according to those books, you soon will be or you will be too dead to know the difference, he he.

Don’t you just love Evangelical Christianity. It is such a loving religion with a loving diety....
 
Written By: william
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Not all christians hold to the Left Behind story. In fact, possibly not even the majority. Both Lutherans and Baptists, for instance, claim the Evangelical label. So do the more liberal Methodists.

It’s so broad a category, that attempts at pigeon holing them is like trying to nail Jell-o to the wall. It will only frustrate one and make a mess.

That being said, under the conditions as stated above, I would be both a "Left Behind" and "Left Alone" individual, so I guess I’ll just be drawn and quartered.
 
Written By: David R. Block
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