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A story that thankfully again drops off the radar screen ... again
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

It was bizarre when it happened and this latest installment was just as bizarre. Apparently everyone but Boulder CO DA Mary Lacy could see this coming. I mean, the guy, John Mark Karr, is really easy to dislike, but come on, from the beginning he was spouting nonsense. Or so it seemed to me.

The media frenzy was incredible, tiresome and unseemly - not that that is anything new. The guy hit me as a kook from the beginning (and no I'm not going to go into all the reasons other than to say his narrative sounded like a person who obsessed over things and liked little girls, which is creepy as hell, but doesn't mean he killed anyone). His family says he was with them at Christmas when Jon Benet Ramsey was killed, etc., etc. But it didn't matter:
When the Boulder DA announced the arrest of Karr two weeks ago, we assumed that her office must have some evidence seemingly linking him to the case beyond an otherwise useless confession. Karr might not be the killer, of course, but surely no DA would create an international furor without something more credible to fall back upon than a sexual predator's word.

Incredibly, that was it: Lacy had nothing meaningful, just Karr's useless word. And yet when she held her odd press conference announcing the arrest, in which she congratulated a lengthy list of law enforcement officials for their assistance, she only hinted at the frail nature of the case.
The Rocky Mountain News, now that the case against Karr has been dropped, properly shifts the focus to precisely where it should be - DA Mary Lacy:
Will that establishment again remain silent now that Lacy has once more embarrassed her office and community with a baffling misjudgment?

We say "baffling" misjudgment because we await further explanation today as to why investigators didn't discreetly try to verify the likelihood of John Mark Karr's story before obtaining an arrest warrant initiating the chain of events culminating in his detention in Thailand.
The obvious point being since DNA was the sure method of ensuring he was involved, why not do a DNA test prior to extradition? Hasn't anyone ever heard of DHL? And do so quietly until the results are verified.

Seems to me that would be Criminology 101 stuff. Why go through all the trouble, expense and time to bring him back to do the test when it could be done while he was held in custody in Thailand?

Anyway, enough. I'm glad it's below the radar screen again, although I'm sure some missing or murdered young white girl will again soon captivate the news media. Seems to have almost become a cottage industry of sorts. As for Mary Lacy, well I'm glad Boulder has to deal with her and I hope they will.
 
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Can you imagine how horrible the criticism of the DA would have been, had she not issued an arrest warrant and gotten Karr extradited, and had he refused the request for a DNA sample and fled instead? I think the DA did the right thing in assuming someone who confessed was guilty, and the right thing in dropping charges immediately after a false DNA test and interviews with Karr’s family ruled him out as being guilty. The press certainly created an international furor, but that is the press’s responsibility, not the DA’s.
 
Written By: Jeff Medcalf
URL: http://www.caerdroia.org/blog
Can you imagine how horrible the criticism of the DA would have been, had she not issued an arrest warrant and gotten Karr extradited, and had he refused the request for a DNA sample and fled instead?
Jeff he was in custody in Thailand. He wasn’t going anywhere. If he refuses the test, then extradite him. But this guy didn’t even fight extradition so it is not likely at all he’d have refused a DNA test.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
uh Guys, Mr Karr was overseas, BECAUSE HE SKIPPED A TRIAL IN CALIFORNIA. So his arrest in Thailand ain’t all bad, nor is it based solely on his Jon Benet attachments. In CA he is wanted for Child Pornography AND for missing his trial date for Child Pornography. Mr Karr had a rendezvous with the US legal system in his future.
 
Written By: Joe
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Lets remember he was in custody in Thailand. Had he gone through the system over there, he’d have been executed. His admission of guilt was him saying ’I can get appeal after appeal after appeal in the US - and then plead insanity - I just have to get out of HERE’.
 
Written By: meagain
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uh Guys, Mr Karr was overseas, BECAUSE HE SKIPPED A TRIAL IN CALIFORNIA.
Uh, not the point.

In custody in Thailand? Suspect admits to murder? Great ... request and do DNA test to see if admission is viable then extradite if necessary. If no match admission not viable, CA can have him.

Seems pretty basic to me.

Of course, not the way it went down and that is the point.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Sooner or later William will be along to lament that there will be one more prisoner incarcerated in the United States.
 
Written By: the wolf
URL: http://gabbleratchet.blogspot.com
but surely no DA would create an international furor without something more credible to fall back upon than a sexual predator’s word
The DA didn’t make the furor, the press did. Since if Thailand was willing to extradite him, he was coming here anyway, there’s no reason for the man to be let to remain in Thai custody.

The 1st class trip to maximize his talkativeness seems strange to me, because with his confession if the DNA had matched, it would all be over.

But I think McQ has vastly overstated the DA’s culpability WRT to the MSM’s copious coverage, and to a much more modest degree overstated any undue credulity on her part WRT to the confession.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Meagain-
I agree, I think this cat saw Thai justice and said "I need out, now!!!!".
He’d have confessed to Lacy Peterson and Nicole Simpson if he’d had to.
 
Written By: looker
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The report I heard this morning was in fact he did refuse the DNA test in Thailand. This left the DA with no option but to extradite him and obtain a search warrant for the DNA test on US soil. Without the warrant a forced DNA test could be thrown out of court should the DNA match. I heard this on MSNBC, so I’m not sure of the validity of the legal reasoning. But it sounded like the DA was put in the position of damned if I do, damned if I don’t.
 
Written By: Max
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Tom Perkins:
The DA didn’t make the furor, the press did.
No one said they did, Tom. In fact I said:
The media frenzy was incredible, tiresome and unseemly - not that that is anything new.
This isn’t about the media. I’m questioning the DA’s reasoning and methods, not the frenzy.

Max:
The report I heard this morning was in fact he did refuse the DNA test in Thailand.
If that’s true then indeed, that changes the perspective. If you have a link to that I’d appreciate it.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
McQ, you quoted someone writing:
"but surely no DA would create an international furor without something more credible to fall back upon than a sexual predator’s word"
By which they meant the DA did create the furor. Feel free to disavow the explicit words of the quote.
The report I heard this morning was in fact he did refuse the DNA test in Thailand.
If that’s true then indeed, that changes the perspective.
Ummm...yeah.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
URL: http://
McQ, you quoted someone writing:
Yeah, that’s "someone", not me ... take it up with them.
Ummm...yeah.
Ummm ... yeah: gotta link?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
He’d have confessed to Lacy Peterson and Nicole Simpson if he’d had to.
Hey looker - don’t give OJ any ideas... you know he’s STILL looking for the real killer.
 
Written By: meagain
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Apparently the report Max heard today was in error:
Lacy said the test had to be done in Boulder because investigators needed a swab from the suspect’s mouth. They had taken DNA samples in Thailand from cups and other places such as mailboxes and his bicycle but those sample couldn’t be used.
Now what has to be determined is whether this is true or not. Not that they took DNA samples from him in Thailand, but that only tests in Boulder could be used.

On it’s face it seems a questionable claim.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
He should get the death penalty for bringing all that Jon Benet hype back. Bloody Bastard.
 
Written By: kyle N
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
"Yeah, that’s "someone", not me ... take it up with them."
Hey, you quoted him without dispute. Did you mean that or not?
"Ummm ... yeah: gotta link?"
No. I was agreeing it would change things.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
URL: http://
So will the cable TV outfits go out and find a new missing pretty white girl to satiate the bon-bon munching housewived with National Enquirer minds and ChinaMart shopping demographics the ratings folks crave?

Surely a new pretty white girl has died SOMEWHERE in a "mystery" since Natalie Holoway and her camera-friendly mother, Beth The MILF, had a year of it?? Even with a little "cruise ship mystery" thrown in.

Or now are we in a new phase of recycling pretty dead white girls for ratings?
Will we get Gary & Chandra, 6 years afterwards, what REALLY happened???? Enquiring minds want to know...
 
Written By: C. Ford
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Lacy says that she had to move quickly to prevent Karr from harming his Thai students, but Karr could have been quietly arrested and extradited on the California warrant. This would have preventing him from harming Thai children and kept him in custody while his story was investigated without creating a huge media hurricane.
 
Written By: Aldo
URL: http://
Has anyone ever said whether or not this woman is a Democrat or a Republican? Knowing Boulder’s politics (my friend lives there, and she is liberal beyond reason), my bet is that this woman is a Democrat.

And since she is a Democrat who f*cked up, she gets a pass. Now if she were a Republican, you would see the nooses and the lynching parties out right about now...
 
Written By: Alexander Alt
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Yep, she’s a Dem. But term limits will force her out of office in the next election.
 
Written By: looker
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