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Joe Wilson, please and finally - go away!
Posted by: McQ on Friday, September 01, 2006

The Washington Post editorially sighs today for what might have been, but wasn't. It then, surprisingly, puts the blame and the onus for the whole mess right where it belongs:
It follows that one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House — that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame's identity to ruin her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson — is untrue.

[...]

Nevertheless, it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming — falsely, as it turned out — that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush's closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy. It's unfortunate that so many people took him seriously.
It is called "wanting it badly", so badly that you're willing to believe just about anything no matter how tenuous the threads of evidence or how suspect the logic and facts supporting that evidence might be. And it isn't only on the side of the Dems. We watched the same thing with Clinton and Starr.

Of course that doesn't excuse anything, it only points out that both sides are susceptible to this sort of nonsense. It also makes me think that the whole 'special prosecutor' abomination ought to be looked at again and closely scrutinized in great detail. Suffice it to say, given the track record of the last few special prosecutors, I'm not at all impressed (other than with their ability to spend money and make the job last for years and years and years).

As for Joe Wilson, one can only hope he'll now find a convenient rock under which to crawl and have the good grace to stay there for an interminable length of time.
 
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Wait a minute......you mean Karl Rove really wasn’t indicted????!?
 
Written By: shark
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I still am a bit confused about why Wilson doesn’t have any culpability for revealing to the world via the NY Times that he was sent on what must have been a ’secret mission’.
 
Written By: looker
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It is called "wanting it badly", so badly that you’re willing to believe just about anything no matter how tenuous the threads of evidence or how suspect the logic and facts supporting that evidence might be.
C’mon Q, you have butchered this editorial worse than you accused AP of doing to Rumsfeld’s comments. There is a significant paragraph that you completely ignored which includes a crime AND disclosing the identity of a covert operative BEFORE it was in the public domain (though perhaps AFTER it was disclosed by Armitage)

The missing paragraph...

"That’s not to say that Mr. Libby and other White House officials are blameless. As prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has reported, when Mr. Wilson charged that intelligence about Iraq had been twisted to make a case for war, Mr. Libby and Mr. Cheney reacted by inquiring about Ms. Plame’s role in recommending Mr. Wilson for a CIA-sponsored trip to Niger, where he investigated reports that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium. Mr. Libby then allegedly disclosed Ms. Plame’s identity to journalists and lied to a grand jury when he said he had learned of her identity from one of those reporters. Mr. Libby and his boss, Mr. Cheney, were trying to discredit Mr. Wilson; if Mr. Fitzgerald’s account is correct, they were careless about handling information that was classified."
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Wait a minute......you mean Karl Rove really wasn’t indicted????!?
Yes Shark he was...but it’s SECRET. He’s cooperating with the Investigation in order to spare his carcass jail time, but is rolling over on Chimpy McShrubHitler...man don’t you keep up?
 
Written By: Joe
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Chimpy McShrubHitler
Just damn, now you did it, the SS is going to have to give him a new code name.

What’s next on the list, oh yeah, Shrubby Mcnazichimp.

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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I guess Rove is on "double secret probation".
 
Written By: jpm100
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CaptinSarcastic,

Huh? Was revealing her name a crime? Uh......no. And she was in fact the one who got her hubby the gig. So yeah, Scooter did commit a crime. But what he and Dick were saying was...well...the truth. The nasty people, daring to spread the truth! Thankfully we have a media that keeps that in check......
 
Written By: Crusader
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What’s next on the list, oh yeah, Shrubby Mcnazichimp.
*LOL*


 
Written By: Joe
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Cap, there’s a huge difference between me and the AP guy.

I’m not a reporter. The AP guy is. He was supposed to be reporting news. I’m always giving an opinion. I’m biased. I make no bones about it and everyone who reads this blog should have figured it out by now.

I had a particular point to make and made it. Now you may find what I left out to be as significant or may have a different opinion (and that’s why we have a comment section), but it has nothing to do with reporting and everything to do with a particular point of view.

Nothing starts in this whole process without Joe Wilson’s dissembling. Nothing. The part you point to is fallout which, frankly, is simply something which Fitzgerald will use to justify his existence. In the big scheme of things its a sideshow. Bottom line, this is a Joe Wilson made mess, plain and simple.
 
Written By: McQ
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"Huh? Was revealing her name a crime? uh, no"
Really? Revealing classified information in the form of revealing the name of a covert operative is NOT a crime?

Yes, it is a crime.

No one will likely be charged with that crime, more likely Libby will charged with perjury resulting from his revealing her name in his attempts to destroy Joe Wilson and then lying about. But that doesn’t mean that revealing classified information is not a crime.

Of course since the President can classify or declassify anything, even retroacively, and confer that right on his VP or apparently anyone, there are no crimes that are actually crimes if the President doesn’t want them to be crimes.

Cap
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Huh? Was revealing her name a crime? uh, no"
Really? Revealing classified information in the form of revealing the name of a covert operative is NOT a crime?

Yes, it is a crime.
Uh No Blood, on two points...NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED. LIBBY WAS NOT INDICTED ON REVEALING A COVERT AGENT’S NAME. As a fact in evidence by definition no crime occurred.

Two to be a crime the agent HAD TO BE COVERT, and in Plame’s case not true for the statutory five years and the revelation had to be KNOWING... so again no crime has occurree here, thank you for trying though.

This was Colin Powell and his CoS Armitage (sp.) attempting to "push back" against White House Policy with which they disagreed.
 
Written By: Joe
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Of course since the President can classify or declassify anything, even retroacively, and confer that right on his VP or apparently anyone, there are no crimes that are actually crimes if the President doesn’t want them to be crimes.

And of course SINCE THIS NEVER OCCURRED, it is pointless to mention. No one leaked a covert agent’s name here, certainly no one at the White House. Please give up this notion.
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe, give it up. You can’t convince these guys.

I am, however, starting to see the denials from the leftist vanguard. No, They never thought that there was any story there, nope, no siree bob, they didn’t. Not one bit. Absolutely not.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Debunked? Oh yes I remember the piles of Nigerien Uranium that we found in Iraq. All those tons of nigerien uranium right next to Saddam’s vast enrichment comple and his moon reflecting deathray machine. All of that decisively debunked Wilson’s claim that there was no way in this green earth that Saddam could get Uranium from Niger. Was it in the first week or the second week of the war that we found that?
 
Written By: Retief
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The sad thing is Wilson has been paid extremely well for his media-stunt.

And he’s still cashing-in on his lies every time one of his books sells. I figure his Anti-Bush celebrity will guarantee him a lucrative speaking career on college campuses across the nation, too. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.

We need to dis-incentivize this sort of thing. If cigarette-buyers and hand-gun owners pay sin-taxes, shouldn’t fraudulent fops like Wilson, too?
-Steve

 
Written By: Steve
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Debunked? Oh yes I remember the piles of Nigerien Uranium that we found in Iraq. All those tons of nigerien uranium right next to Saddam’s vast enrichment comple and his moon reflecting deathray machine. All of that decisively debunked Wilson’s claim that there was no way in this green earth that Saddam could get Uranium from Niger. Was it in the first week or the second week of the war that we found that?

The claim was about ATTEMPTS to purchase Uranium, FROM AFRICA...which the British SIS still maintain. Not that the Uranium was purchased....Again nice try.
 
Written By: Joe
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Oh yes I remember the piles of Nigerien Uranium that we found in Iraq.
Wow - we have to go back and revisit this again???? Let’s start with the 16 words...
“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .”
Now we’ll do the basics -

Hmmm - recently sought. Last I checked, that does not in any way imply that Saddam acquired anything. Back when I was in college, I went out EVERY weekend and sought... well, I sought.... well let’s just say it was not my intention to go home alone. Though in fact did quite often. Because I went home alone, by your reasoning, I obviously was NOT LOOKING FOR ANYONE TO GO HOME WITH!

Get a clue -
 
Written By: meagain
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Keep digging Retief, with any luck you might find bottom soon. Guys like you will keep trying to make this non-story something real. Until then, you and Cap can keep on commenting - I need a laugh or two.
 
Written By: SShiell
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Like I said, You are never going to convince these guys.

There is far too much blood in the water for them to ever accept the ugly truth of the matter. The whole lot of them (the wilson support circus) were taken in by a CIA game to deflect blame from the agency and put the Admin in the position of not being able to point a single finger at the gross CIA incompetence that lead to 9/11. Sad.
 
Written By: capt joe
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There is a significant paragraph that you completely ignored which includes a crime AND disclosing the identity of a covert operative BEFORE it was in the public domain (though perhaps AFTER it was disclosed by Armitage)
Heh:
With Cooper, it is clear (to some) that after Karl Rove learned from Novak that a column about Wilson and Plame was imminent, Rove ruthlessly sat by the phone and waited for Matt Cooper to call him and ask about Niger.

Then when Cooper interviewed Libby the next day, Libby was so brutal and crafty that he never raised the subject of Ms. Plame, but offered something like "I heard that, too" when Cooper asked him about her.

And the Judy Miller leak? Libby was so intent on besmirching Wilson with the nepotism charge that he forgot to tell Judy that Ms. Plame had a role in arranging her husband’s trip to Niger.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Finally the truth come out exposing Joe Wilson and the "drive by media" once again! Truth will alway prevail!
 
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CaptainStupid said

""Huh? Was revealing her name a crime? uh, no"
Really? Revealing classified information in the form of revealing the name of a covert operative is NOT a crime?
"

Hey you better go tell Joe Wilson she was covert. Apparantly even he didnt know because he admitted she was not covert at the time.

You should really keep better track of what your democratic operatives say to the press.

But let’s say she was covert. By your definition Armitage should then be indicted. Why arent the dem talking heads screaming for this to happen? Why arent you screaming for this to happen? Could it that it all was nothing more than a partisian witchhunt? Say it isnt so.

BTW Some reading material

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Identities_Protection_Act

That has links to the law you are misquoting and mangling

Also

"The USA Today stated on July 14, 2005 that Mrs. Plame hadn’t been outside the United States as an NOC or Non-Official Cover since 1997, when she returned from her last assignment, and married Joe Wilson and had her twins. This claim was reiterated the following day in an article in the Washington Times. According to the Washington Times, Valerie Plame was not an "undercover CIA agent". A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency’s headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee. "She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency "


And here are Joe Wilson’s own words

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/wbr.01.html

"But the fact of the matter is, of course, that this is not a Joe Wilson or Valerie Wilson issue. This is an issue of whether or not somebody leaked classified information to the press, who then published it, thereby putting covert operations and a covert officer at some risk.
"

(Gee I guess if it is a democrat who leak classified ongoing operations to the NY Times then it doesnt count right, funny I dont see you complaining about that Capt MCSTUPID.)

and the Coup De Grace (spelling)

WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

Damn dont you hate when the dem talking heads cant get their talking points straight.




















 
Written By: reitred military
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This case exists because the CIA believed a crime was committed. I may not know her exact status, and you certainly don’t know her precise status, but the CIA is not the Democratic party, and they DO know her exact status. "U.S. intelligence officials confirmed that Plame was working undercover shortly after it had been revealed by Robert Novak."

Do you understand what the word "Confirmed" means?


Ann Coulter’s sockpuppet said:
Hey you better go tell Joe Wilson she was covert. Apparantly even he didnt know because he admitted she was not covert at the time.
I’ll wait for your coup de gras to show how you have mangled the truth with this one.


Rush Limbaugh’s trained parrot opined...
But let’s say she was covert. By your definition Armitage should then be indicted. Why arent the dem talking heads screaming for this to happen? Why arent you screaming for this to happen? Could it that it all was nothing more than a partisian witchhunt? Say it isnt so.
Being that I don’t read the Democratic talking points memo, I don’t know the answer to this, but I would guess that some folks may find there is a difference between an action that may be criminal and an action that may be criminal by your political opposition with the specific intent of harming an individual.

Laura Ingraham’s misinformed minion quoted the following out of context ...
"The USA Today stated on July 14, 2005 that Mrs. Plame hadn’t been outside the United States as an NOC or Non-Official Cover since 1997, when she returned from her last assignment, and married Joe Wilson and had her twins. This claim was reiterated the following day in an article in the Washington Times. According to the Washington Times, Valerie Plame was not an "undercover CIA agent". A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency’s headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee. "She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency "
Aww, you were so close, if you just read one more paragraph, you would have seen the contradictory statements, and then further down, you would see that Valerie Plame DID in fact serve overseas in a covert status within the last 5 years. Libby is not being charged with violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, so her status has not been unequivocally legally confirmed, but one would have to be a complete partisan toady to suggest that her status has been confirmed in the negative.


George Bush’s transparent toady adds...
(Gee I guess if it is a democrat who leak classified ongoing operations to the NY Times then it doesnt count right, funny I dont see you complaining about that Capt MCSTUPID.)
You are correct, when a classified operation is illegal and the press exposes it, I consider that to be a public service. Further, media members that take this risk also risk prosecution. The President runs federal law enforcement and has the ability to prosecute such cases if he thinks it is necessary or appropriate. Of course if in the prosecution of such a case he would have to defend of legality of his actions and cannot, then charges will not likley be levelled.


Sean Hannity’s banana hammock continued...
and the Coup De Grace (spelling)

WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.
So sad, your coup de gras is nothing but an out of context quote. But I love the fact that you chose the Wikipedia Alternate Theories version which has it’s neutrality in dispute according to Wikipedia.

Joe Wilson, Plame’s husband, stated in a July 14, 2005 interview with Wolf Blitzer of CNN that "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity."[18] This comment has been misinterpreted, but Wilson later explained his meaning to Associated Press: "In an interview Friday, Wilson said his comment was meant to reflect that his wife lost her ability to be a covert agent because of the leak, not that she had stopped working for the CIA beforehand. His wife’s ’ability to do the job she’s been doing for close to 20 years ceased from the minute Novak’s article appeared; she ceased being a clandestine officer,’ he said."[19]

Conservative columnist Max Boot calls Joseph Wilson a "liar," and claims that Plame’s status was not "covert" at the time of her outing in the Novak column because she had been working in Virginia for more than five years.[20] Although he left the CIA in 1993, Larry C. Johnson attempted to clear up the confusion surrounding Plame’s status in a column responding to Max Boot: "The law actually requires that a covered person ’served’ overseas in the last five years. Served does not mean lived. In the case of Valerie Wilson, energy consultant for Brewster-Jennings, she traveled overseas in 2003, 2002, and 2001, as part of her cover job. She met with folks who worked in the nuclear industry, cultivated sources, and managed spies. She was a national security asset until exposed by Karl Rove and Scooter Libby."[21]

Plame worked for the CIA for 20 years, and her status, according to the New York Times, was "non-official cover." (5 October 2003). U.S. intelligence officials confirmed that Plame was working undercover shortly after it had been revealed by Robert Novak.[22] Senator Charles Schumer asked the FBI to investigate the leak because the CIA had identified Plame’s status as covert.[23] John Crewdson of the Chicago Tribune interviewed several unnamed former and current CIA employees who doubt that Plame had NOC status in the CIA at the time her cover was blown by Novak. [24]

A variety of arguments regarding Ms. Plame’s status as "covert" have arisen as a result of Special Counsel Fitzgerald’s investigation. Although the Special Counsel himself has refused to state whether Plame was "covert," [25], in a 5 February 2005 concurring opinion, Circuit Judge David S. Tatel made two references to Plame’s covert status. First, on page 28 of the opinion, Judge Tatel referred to Plame as an "alleged covert agent." Second, on page 38, Judge Tatel stated that because Fitzgerald had allegedly referred to Plame as "a . . . who had carried out covert work overseas within the last 5 years," in footnote 15 of a recent affidavit, Judge Tatel inferred that Mr. Fitzgerald must have at least "some support" for that conclusion.[26]. Because Special Counsel Fitzgerald’s affidavit[27] does appear to assume that it is at least possible that Libby could be guilty of intentionally exposing the identity of a "covert" agent (see affidavit, fn. 15), Judge Tatel appears to have inferred that Fitzgerald had concluded that Plame was an agent who had carried out covert work within the last 5 years.[28], [29].



 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic (yeah, that one)
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looker,
I still am a bit confused about why Wilson doesn’t have any culpability for revealing to the world via the NY Times that he was sent on what must have been a ’secret mission’.
It goes well beyond that. As you might imagine, working for the CIA requires confidentiality agreements that involve clearing anything intended for publication with the agency. Wilson was either released from his obligation to do so, or the CIA cleared his piece which, as we’ve come to find out, was factually challenged.

I should hope that we’ve not come to the end of this investigation, but to the point where we stop playing idiotic partisan games and get down to investigating the actual crimes committed by actual people who are actually charged with protecting our national security instead of playing personal destruction games with them against a sitting President in wartime. Let’s not forget that when Bob Novak called the CIA to confirm that Valerie was an employee, they confirmed it. If a reporter can call the CIA and they’ll verify a given fact, how can it possibly a crime for anyone else to relate that fact? The CIA didn’t know she was covert, or that they weren’t supposed to tell? This has been a game from the beginning and it’s been played by people who shouldn’t have been playing it. We’ve got a key federal agency that seems confused about who it’s at war with.

Victoria Toensing laid out the case for investigations some time ago, and rightly concludes:
The CIA conduct in this matter is either a brilliant covert action against the White House or inept intelligence tradecraft. It is up to Congress to decide which.
Joe Wilson’s Niger claims were the foundation upon which the "BUSH LIED!!!" meme was built. The Valerie Plame "outing" was the meme upon which the "Bush is a fascist, imperial President violating our rights and endangering our security" meme was built. This Bush bashing has cost us more in terms of international prestige and support than anything the administration has actually done and all of it was a lie.

We deserve to know whether the CIA is completely inept or if there were rogues working against America’s interests and plotting against an American President.
 
Written By: Pablo
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A variety of arguments regarding Ms. Plame’s status as "covert" have arisen as a result of Special Counsel Fitzgerald’s investigation.
Trumped, all of it.

When Fitzgerald arrived, he had a third waiver in hand — from Bill Harlow, the CIA public information officer who was my CIA source for the column confirming Mrs. Wilson’s identity.
The CIA’s Public Information Officer = my CIA source. Any more questions?


 
Written By: Pablo
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The problem is, even if despite Wilson’s claim, she was undercover in 2003, Armitage and Novak had no idea that she was or had ever been undercover. You can’t leak something that you didn’t know. We didn’t find out she was undercover from Novak; actually, that fact was made public by Wilson himself in the "frogmarch" speech. That is the actual criminal leak.
 
Written By: Michael
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This whole "Wilson - Plame Affair" is a joke. Frankly, I am sick of it. The best thing that ever happened to Valerie Plame was her so-called "outing" by the administration or whoever. She has loved every moment. She was never a deep undercover officer - that’s a joke. With her new book coming out, I really see how sad she and Mr. Wilson are. Now, we only need "Dennis the Menace" to complete the TV movie.
 
Written By: Alan
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This whole "Wilson - Plame Affair" is a joke. Frankly, I am sick of it. The best thing that ever happened to Valerie Plame was her so-called "outing" by the administration or whoever. She has loved every moment. She was never a deep undercover officer - that’s a joke. With her new book coming out, I really see how sad she and Mr. Wilson are. Now, we only need "Dennis the Menace" to complete the TV movie.
This adds a lot to the discourse.

And George Bush gets aroused by the news that GI’s are killed every day. (of course this claim is pure nonsense, even if it were true, and it’s not, no one would have any way of knowing this unless he came out said, "I George Bush get aroused when I hear fo GI’s being killed every day".)

Have the Wilson’s come out and said that they love every minute of this?

Or are you a mind reader?

Do you think our national security is improved since the loss of the network surrounding the CIA cover firm of Brewster Jennings as an operation to provide covert WMD’s intelligence around the world?

Cap
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic (yeah, that one)
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Wow, so much dis- and misinformation. First of all, the basis of all of this crowing by the right is an editorial in the Washington Post, which has been critical of the Wilson’s for some time. In what possible way is this a significant event in this case?

A special tip of the hat to retired military, who goes into the Wayback Machine to pull out this gem: "WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity." What Wilson said was exactly true. He clearly meant that his wife stopped being covert the day Novak blew her cover. But hey, twisting words is a sport that’s always fun.

And let’s not forget to revive ths quote: "A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency’s headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee. "She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency (sic)." Let’s conveniently ignore the fact that the "former CIA covert agent" retired in 1991. But hey, what’s a couple of decades when you need a juicy quote?

And capt joe, are you really that bad at taking in information? That Atrios quote doesn’t say that he never thought the Wilson Plame thing was a story. He’s saying the Armitage news doesn’t change the story, which it doesn’t. I can only assume that you were being intentionally misleading.

The bottom line is that you guys are reacting like a bunch of Middle Ages peasants at an eclipse. The Washington Post writes an editorial, and you say "Thank God the truth has finally come out." What truth? It was a guy’s opinion, for God’s sake, and one that he has stated before. I know how hungry you guys on the right must be for some good news, but really. take a breath willya?

 
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