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Karl Rove did it!
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

Apparently MoveOn.org was the scene of some anti-Semitic posts concerning Joe Lieberman today.

Now, before we go on, it was in an open access forum where anyone can log on and post. So this isn't about MoveOn.com per se, although I will posit that we've certainly seen some attacks on Lieberman in other venues which were definitely the responsiblity of the venue (such as the black face photo).

Anyway, the remarks drew the attention of the ADL and they're asking MoveOn.org to take some responsiblity to respond:
"Nevertheless, since such profoundly offensive content is appearing on a board clearly linked to MoveOn.org, we believe you should assume some responsibility to respond to this hateful content," Foxman wrote in the letter, which was forwarded by Lieberman's campaign.
All right, fair request. The remarks that offended were:
Foxman cited examples from the site's Action Forum, including "media owning Jewish pigs," "Zionazis," a reference to the senator as "Jew Lieberman" and the question, "Why are the Jews so Jew-y?"
Foxman says:
"Those who allow hate to rear its ugly head under their auspices bear a special responsibility to distance themselves from that hate, and to speak out against it, as loudly as possible."
Sound familiar? The same request most of the west constantly makes to moderate Islam. To MoveOn.org's credit, Eli Pariser, executive director of the MoveOn Political Action Committee did indeed denounce the posts:
"Once in a while - as in any public forum - inappropriate material is posted," he wrote. "Recently, a few of the thousands of comments that are posted every week contained anti-Semitic language.

"The comments that were posted were abhorrent. We were dismayed to see them, and removed them as soon as they came to our attention 17 days ago."
At this point, reading the article I'm saying "good on ya, that's the right thing to do and the right thing to say". And had he ended it there, this post would have ended here.

With praise for MoveOn.org. Imagine that.

But he didn't stop there ... nope, one more sentence just had to be added:
He added that most of the comments were not made by MoveOn members and suggested it could be an effort by conservatives to "target" the group, and said any effort to tie the rants to MoveOn was "wrong."
Ye Gods. It was Karl Rove, I'm sure.

My dad told me that it only took one "aw sh*t" to wipe away a mountain of "attaboys". That last sentence did precisely that.
 
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Here’s a link to the NYPost story where I think you got this from.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Well all I can say is that Shark and I have alibis for the time of the postings...But, Dale, I think DALE doesn’t...just sayin’.....
 
Written By: Joe
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Oh yeah, links.

Heh ... Thanks Chris ... added.
 
Written By: McQ
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MoveOn’s denial of its responsibility for the anti-Semtic slurs is truth-challenged. This is from MoveOn itself, not the Action Forum:

http://www.moveon.org/moveonbulletin/bulletin13.html

PAX ISRAELICA?
Nearly all PNAC participants, whether Jewish or Christian, are right-wing Zionists who support Ariel Sharon’s Likud Party. In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and others drafted a paper for incoming Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urging him to make "a clean break" from the Oslo peace process preferring "peace through strength," including the ouster of Saddam Hussein.
http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

This essay describes many of the familiar neo-conservatives as having "dual loyalties," making policy decisions in the interests of the State of Israel as much as the United States.
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html
 
Written By: Bill Levinson
URL: http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/
URL: http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/
This blog’s purpose is to serve as a living and growing record of the kind of anti-American and anti-Semitic remarks that are being published at MoveOn.org’s Action Forum.
Obsessed much?

PAX POGUEMAHONUS motherscratcer
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
I’m afraid you are making much to do about nothing....This surely does fit Roves operating style.

I hope that you will run a more positive campaign on your blog and concentrate on George Allen’s record. You are his paid blogger for the State of VA. I hope you will set an example and will emphaziae George Allen’s record instead of nonsense such as this.

There is too much at stake in this fall election for us to get diverted on such nonsense...especially when the nonsense is generated on an organizations board by folks who are obviously not in line with that organization’s principles.

Buzz...Buzz
 
Written By: mosquito
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It’s Moveon.ORG you stupid f%cking conservative f&cks. I guess facts are a well known liberal bias. At least get your target straight you f^cking hate mongers.
 
Written By: Fred
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mosquito, the author of this post has no ties to Allen and is not being paid to blog. Nor does this blog post have anything to do with Allen. I think you need to pay better attention around here and not go off on tangents.

Fred, please try to be civil around here. A simple typo changes exactly nothing about this post or the point. Ad hominem personal attacks and Stephen Colbert quotes do little to advance the debate or make your side look good.
 
Written By: Chris
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MoveOn’s denial of its responsibility for the anti-Semtic slurs is truth-challenged. This is from MoveOn itself, not the Action Forum:

http://www.moveon.org/moveonbulletin/bulletin13.html

PAX ISRAELICA?
Nearly all PNAC participants, whether Jewish or Christian, are right-wing Zionists who support Ariel Sharon’s Likud Party. In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and others drafted a paper for incoming Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urging him to make "a clean break" from the Oslo peace process preferring "peace through strength," including the ouster of Saddam Hussein.
http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

This essay describes many of the familiar neo-conservatives as having "dual loyalties," making policy decisions in the interests of the State of Israel as much as the United States.
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html
You’re a dishonest and mendacious poster, bill. These are not the statements to which the ADF called MoveOn’s attention to, and which MoveOn gladly removed. Your quote documents MoveOn demonstrating the government of Israel’s influence - specifically, the right-wing Likud-section of that governemnt- influence on PNAC. Such influence is absolutely appropriate to call attention to, and rather unrelated to indiscriminate ethnic slurs and hatred against Jews.

Ye Gods. It was Karl Rove, I’m sure.

Are you saying that it is beyond your imagination that the National Republican party, a member of a conservative lobbying group, or a right-wing activist could be posting anti-Semitic comments to an open Moveon.org forum in order to discredit the collective?

Why? They’re funding the Green Party in Pennsylvania, aren’t they? Public relations firms run fake blogs and mount fake-regular-person campaigns on real blogs all the time, calling it "viral marketing". This is not quite, but almost, a standard propaganda tactic.

Immoral and dishonest? Sure it would be, but... that would be... new?

The idea that Karl Rove personally did it is a strawman.

 
Written By: glasnost
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Ad hominem personal attacks and Stephen Colbert quotes do little to advance the debate or make your side look good.


Yeah, Fred!!
And it’s “Reality has well-known liberal bias.”, anyway.

Get it straight next time, will ya’.

 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
They’re funding the Green Party in Pennsylvania, aren’t they?
The Green Party is full of anti-Semites? Who knew!

Or did you mean something different with that remark?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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you stupid f%cking conservative f&cks. I guess facts are a well known liberal bias. At least get your target straight you f^cking hate mongers.
Rudeness is up there, too.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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OK Fred and others is it easier:
A) to believe that the anti-Zionist Left REALLY wrote these postings?; or
B) to believe that Rove and the Republicans, did it?

Please Google "Occam’s Razor"....
 
Written By: Joe
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Well, McQ, evidently you struck a nerve; with so few responses, the propeller-headed BDS victims* are frothing at the mouth.





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* BDS: Bush Derangement Syndrome
 
Written By: Pete Jensen
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You are his paid blogger for the State of VA.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the Allen campaign anywhere. In case you missed it there are 3 of us who blog here.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Why thank you Fred ... I’ve amended it to make sure the proper "org" gets all the credit.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
You are his paid blogger for the State of VA.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the Allen campaign anywhere. In case you missed it there are 3 of us who blog here.
Don’t ry that evidence and logic thng HERE Bucko! You ARE a paid representative of the Allen Campaign! You can’t fool me! And if not the Allen Campaign, you’re certainly busy cashing the cheques and living la vida dolce from AIPAC, the Kadima Party and Karl Rove (probably from his PERSONAL bank account)! DO NOT TRY TO DENY IT! The tin foil blocks my ears.
 
Written By: Joe
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I have absolutely ZERO doubt that those comments were put there by lefties, not Rovian plants. I see plenty of confirmed lefites on this blog post similar-veined (but more civil-toned) drivel.

I await Mona or the like trying to argue it really WAS the right trying to do it...ah, there’s Glasnost, right on time, and on message! Predictable as always Glastsny old boy!
 
Written By: Shark
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It could’ve been worse....the left is only at the point where they photoshop pics to make people look like sambo. I’m just happy they haven’t gotten around to putting fake hooknoses and buckets of little christian children’s blood via photoshop- but I can probably find that if I look on Kos or DU I suppose.
 
Written By: Shark
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How do I get to be a Rovian Plant? If it is only 10% as lucrative and exciting as the deranged far left makes it out to be , it would certainly beat the pants off my day job
 
Written By: Chaosfish
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la vida dolce
Actually, I think he is living la vida loco. I can’t ever see McQ going quietly into the night.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Yawn -
Reichstag fire ploy.

What is it with people who can’t come to grips with the fact that it’s possible to have "left" leanings and still be anti-semitic?
When idiots who are obviously righties post here and say stupid ignorant things, do we routinely run off and claim it’s a counter plot by MoveOn to defame ’wingers’?

No - the other posters generally deal with them as if they are exactly what they appear to be. Admit it glasnost, others, you occsaionally see ’us’ taking these people to task for being anti-semitic, on a far too regular basis actually, making us, more or less, your allies for at least that instant in time. Reach down inside, drop the bias and admit it. It happens.

Same crap the other day with the Baby Killer article - some twit flys in and claims it had to be a roving gang of Rovian thugs out implementing his latest eeee-vile plan to make the ’anti war left’ look bad.

Sure, could be.
And it could also be some bigoted idiot, just being an bigoted idiot.
Take off the tin foil for a sec and recognize that bigots come in all sizes, shapes, colors and political persuasions.



 
Written By: looker
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What is it with people who can’t come to grips with the fact that it’s possible to have "left" leanings and still be anti-semitic?
Nowadays, it’s practically required...
 
Written By: shark
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