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Trying to understand Democrats
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, September 14, 2006

Ido try, but for the life of me I have difficulty doing so.

I've documented the recent attacks by Democrats on Wal-Mart and the reasons why they seem to be doing it. I've also pointed out why I think that's probably one of the most politically ridiculous thing they could do and why.

George Will has a column today in which he shares some facts about Wal-Mart which are, frankly, amazing. Remember when you read this that 127 million plus shop at Wal-Mart weekly. What does the store mean to our economy?
The median household income of Wal-Mart shoppers is under $40,000. Wal-Mart, the most prodigious job-creator in the history of the private sector in this galaxy, has almost as many employees (1.3 million) as the U.S. military has uniformed personnel. A McKinsey company study concluded that Wal-Mart accounted for 13 percent of the nation's productivity gains in the second half of the 1990s, which probably made Wal-Mart about as important as the Federal Reserve in holding down inflation. By lowering consumer prices, Wal-Mart costs about 50 retail jobs among competitors for every 100 jobs Wal-Mart creates. Wal-Mart and its effects save shoppers more than $200 billion a year, dwarfing such government programs as food stamps ($28.6 billion) and the earned-income tax credit ($34.6 billion).

People who buy their groceries from Wal-Mart — it has one-fifth of the nation's grocery business — save at least 17 percent. But because unions are strong in many grocery stores trying to compete with Wal-Mart, unions are yanking on the Democratic Party's leash, demanding laws to force Wal-Mart to pay wages and benefits higher than those that already are high enough to attract 77 times more applicants than there were jobs at this store.
Stunning. $200 billion in savings, 13% of the nation's productivity gains, inflation fighter and job creator.

That's the engine the Dems want to mess with. Oh, and the last line, where Will talks about applications running 77 times jobs, he's referencing a Chicago area store which recently opened in which there were 25,000 who applied for 325 openings. For a store which pays such poor wages and has such horrible relations with its employees, that sure is a bunch of folks willing to put up with all of that. And, of course, the story of that particular store isn't unusual.

Here's another clue for Dems:
One of whom, a woman pushing a shopping cart with a stoical 3-year-old along for the ride, has a chip on her shoulder about the size of this 141,000 square- foot Wal-Mart. She applied for a job when the store opened in January and was turned down because, she said, the person doing the hiring "had an attitude.'' So why is the woman shopping here anyway? She looks at the questioner as though he is dimwitted and directs his attention to the low prices of the DVDs on the rack next to her.

Sensibly, she compartmentalizes her moods and her money.
You can count on voters like her doing so when it comes to November as well. Money talks and, well, you know what walks, and what the Dems are doing in reference to Wal-Mart is full of it.

Will then wonders which nasty and vile corporation is next on the Dem hit list. Reading The American Prospect, a magazine he calls "impeccably progressive", he finds a hint in a full page ad which is ...
...denouncing something responsible for "lies, deception, immorality, corruption, and widespread labor, human rights and environmental abuses'' and of having brought "great hardship and despair to people and communities throughout the world.''

What is this focus of evil in the modern world? North Korea? The Bush administration? Fox News Channel? No, it is Coca-Cola (number of servings to Americans of the company's products each week: 2.5 billion).


*Sigh*

You just have to wonder ...

The Dems continue to wander in the wilderness, cursing the void and wondering why the people won't give them power. Any wonder why some are suddenly not so sure of their chances in November?

Will ends with a great line which is a variation of one I've been saying for a couple of years:
When liberals' presidential nominees consistently fail to carry Kansas, liberals do not rush to read a book titled "What's the Matter With Liberals' Nominees?'' No, the book they turned into a best-seller is titled "What's the Matter With Kansas?'' Notice a pattern here?
Or as I've been saying, maybe the message is problem.
 
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Oh, and the last line, where Will talks about applications running 77 times jobs, he’s referencing a Chicago area store which recently opened in which there were 25,000 who applied for 325 openings.
Yeah, I heard him mention this on This Week.

My first thought was,
Are 25,000 people showing up for WallyJobs because Wal Mart is such a good employer, or are these people showing up because they can’t find higher paying jobs?

My wife is from Chicago. She tells me that ChiTown and surrounding was very blue collar and that the mill/manufacturing type middle class jobs were no longer there.

So, the question is: Is the good thing that 25,000 show up is because Wal Mart is such a great employer, or is that Wal Mart is the only employer?

Dude. If you’re standing in line for a WallyJob.
Sux to be you.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Zogby (yeah, I know) claims in a poll of 2004 voters that 85% of regular, weekly Wal-Mart voters voted for George W. Bush. I find this number impossible. That’s higher than the number of white evangelical Christians (72%) who voted for Bush. But suppose the number is accurate, then you can understand Democratic strategy. If the people shopping at Wal-Mart are cultural conservatives who don’t vote their pocketbooks anyway - that is, they vote for tax policies skewed toward the wealthy - then what harm does it to Democrats to prevent Wal-Mart from moving into more Democratic turf. Of course, Wal-Mart itself may have nothing to do with it. After all, Wal-Mart locates itself in notably "red" areas like low-rent exurbs and astride small cities and towns in South and Midwest. Maybe it’s just coincidence that lower-middle class whites who vote Republican because their terrified of gay flag burners happen to live in areas with Wal-Marts.

The strategy would make better sense if Democrats started targeting small businessmen. It is they, more than low income shoppers, who suffer from Wal-Mart. Small towns throughout middle America, including my own area of south-central Michigan, are dying. One reason is the inability to compete with Wal-Mart. This cuts across party lines. In Danville, Kentucky, a very Republican town, local leaders bragged recently about keeping Wal-Mart out of the town and thereby preserving local businesses. The thinking behind this is that small businesses have a lot more stake in the community than Wal-Mart. In my own conversations with small retailers, they fear large corporations much more than they do the old bugaboos of taxes and regulations.
 
Written By: Elrod
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So, the question is: Is the good thing that 25,000 show up is because Wal Mart is such a great employer, or is that Wal Mart is the only employer?
It’s Chicago, Pogue, not Possum Hollow ... what do you think?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
750 people recently showed to apply for 80 jobs at a brand new ethanol plant here in Albion, Michigan. Does that mean they all believe in the power of alternative fuels? No. It means they wanted a job, and nobody else was hiring.
 
Written By: Elrod
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It’s Chicago, Pogue, not Possum Hollow ... what do you think?

So, you believe these people were wanting to sign onto Wal Mart because it would be such a great job and would go places?

Funny, I wouldn’t imagine a career counselor telling a student, “Timmy, you’re future lies with retail.”

Wait…
Well, maybe this one guy I knew. His name was William Manfredjinsinjin(?). Although we all knew him as Billy Buttrash… long story, I’ll tell it to you sometime.

Anyway,
Don’t knock Possum Hollow Jobs. You don’t know what good work is until you cram your cleaning rod up a Possum Hollow.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Wow.
After reading what I wrote...

That came out all wrong.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Seriously, though.
Can you tell my why 25,000 people would show up for 325 jobs?

That just seems unimaginable.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Well they’re hiring in Chicago.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Wow.
After reading what I wrote...

That came out all wrong.
Like that’s the first time? ;)

What, into the mead again?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Seriously, though.
Can you tell my why 25,000 people would show up for 325 jobs?
Uh, cause they wanted to work there?

Look, that isn’t the only WM store which has had huge numbers of applicants before. For a store everyone seems to love to hate, a whole lot of folks want to work there.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
750 people recently showed to apply for 80 jobs at a brand new ethanol plant here in Albion, Michigan. Does that mean they all believe in the power of alternative fuels? No. It means they wanted a job, and nobody else was hiring.
You might want to re-read the post. Presumably, they showed up because the wages and benefits were acceptable and better than anything else they could get. That’s what McQ is arguing with respect to Wal-Mart, not that they showed up because they believe in Wal-Mart. They affirm that by shopping there with the millions of others who shop there daily.
Dude. If you’re standing in line for a WallyJob.
Sux to be you.
Ah, to be Progressive. You act like you give a damn about the average joe and then sneer at him behind his back.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Wow.
After reading what I wrote...

That came out all wrong.
I was under the impression that honey would not ferment. Perhaps you should step away from it for a bit, anyway. :)
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://QandO.net
Ah, to be Progressive. You act like you give a damn about the average joe and then sneer at him behind his back.
Kind of the whole point of Will’s column.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
What, into the mead again?
With a hint of nutmeg this time. :)
Uh, cause they wanted to work there?
Why, though? Because it’s a good job?
Go on, McQ. You can say it.

Working at Wal Mart is a good, high paying job. One that 25,000 people need.

See, it is easy.

Go on. Say it.

++++++++++
Ah, to be Progressive. You act like you give a damn about the average joe and then sneer at him behind his back.
Ah, to be presumptuous. You act as though you know me and what I believe in.

++++++++++
I was under the impression that honey would not ferment.

Oh no. Honey ferments beautifully. What it does not do is spoil. Archeologist’s have found edible honey in Egyptian tombs… not that it would taste any good.
Perhaps you should step away from it for a bit, anyway. :)
What are you…
A Republican My mother…
;)



 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
What are you…
A Republican My mother…
That would be the Democrats, Pogue. Obviously you missed this story.
Why, though? Because it’s a good job?
Go on, McQ. You can say it.

Working at Wal Mart is a good, high paying job. One that 25,000 people need.
Apparently they feel so, why, does it bother you that they find that to be a desirable job? And if so, why?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Actually, in a country that is divided 50/50, the Dem strategy makes perfect sense. Not that McQ would understand.

First, many Wal Mart shoppers, being at the lower end of the economic scale, don’t vote anyway.

Second, to many moderate/middle of the road voters, Wal Mart represents a lot of things they don’t like. I don’t know where you live, but where I live, local grassroots groups have been successful at blocking the building of new Wal Mart stores. And these aren’t crazy liberals. These people are moedrate to conservative. They are against Wal Mart, particularly the mega stores, because of the traffic congestion they create. Wal Marts are eyesores. They bring in transients, who are often allowed to camp there. To many affluent people, you know, those that vote, having a Wal Mart in their neighborhood lowers their property values.

These moderate types also dislike the fact that Wal Mart really doesn’t offer any decent benefits. They see in Wal Mart a future they don’t agree with, one where their health care and other benefits at work are cut.

Many are also small business owners that are hurt by Wal Mart, or know one who is. Again, these aren’t wild eyed radicals. These are people who are moderate in their politics. They spend locally and like to keep their money local. They care about their communities. And they are smart enough to understand that spending $1.10 locally is smarter, in the long run, than spending a buck that will end up in Bentonville.

Finally, many of these same moderates are also going green. Getting more conscious about their health, the food they eat, etc. They go to farmers markets. They are starting to buy organic. They want to buy food grown locally, from a local farmer or locally based store.

These are the kind of people who political independents. They aren’t wild eyed radicals. They might vote Dem or GOP.

By going after Wal Mart, the Dems are signalling to these folks that the Dem party shares their values. The Dems don’t need many of them. In today’s political climate, a few percentage points can swing a race.

Most die hard Wal Mart lovers are never going to vote Democratic anyway. And even the few who would aren’t going to not vote Democratic simply because the Dems are going after Wal Mart. The Dems are going after that 2 to 3% who are becoming increasingly wary of Wal Mart and what it stands for.

There is something more subtle going on here. Which is of course why McQ doesn’t understand.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Dude. If you’re standing in line for a WallyJob.
Sux to be you
It sux worse to be the guy standing in line at unemployment....

Too bad all those people lining up for what you dismiss as "WallyJob" can’t go get a high paying job at a law firm instead....

I guess next time I go to McDonalds, I should sneer at the people behind the counter also?
 
Written By: shark
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First, many Wal Mart shoppers, being at the lower end of the economic scale, don’t vote anyway.
Right ... all 127 million of them.

And it is I who don’t understand?

Thanks for the laugh, MK.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
The Dems are going after that 2 to 3% who are becoming increasingly wary of Wal Mart and what it stands for.
Yeah, down with wide selection and low prices!!!!! Maybe they should put that on a bumper sticker.

MK, the "2 to 3% who are becoming increasingly wary of Wal Mart and what it stands for" were never of a mindset to have been Republican voters anyway, so let the Dems waste political energy wooing a demographic they already had anyway.
 
Written By: shark
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There is something more subtle going on here.


Demogoguery is subtle?
 
Written By: Aldo
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Apparently they feel so, why, does it bother you that they find that to be a desirable job? And if so, why?
Why? Why should I answer that? When you haven’t answered my question.

Look, you know me. You know that I’m all about free markets and what what. What you, nor George Will, have not explained to me, is why 25,000 people showed up for low paying WallyJobs.

You state that, “Apparently they feel so”. That’s BS. I’ve shoveled sh*t for five bucks an hour… that doesn’t mean that I felt that shoveling sh*t was a good job. But I took the job because I needed it.

So, until either you, or George Will, explains why 25,000 people would want these low paying jobs, using this example to tout the benefits of a WallyJob is incomplete.

My suggestion is that they did not want these jobs… but they needed it. And what does that say about our current job market?
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
My suggestion is that they did not want these jobs… but they needed it. And what does that say about our current job market?
They would all be investment bankers if it wasn’t for Chimpy McHitlerburton’s economy?
 
Written By: Jordan
URL: http://
Why? Why should I answer that? When you haven’t answered my question.
Of course I have, I said:

"Apparently they feel so ..."
What you, nor George Will, have not explained to me, is why 25,000 people showed up for low paying WallyJobs.
I have no idea. Just as you have no idea whether they’re "low paying" jobs. My guess is, for 25,000 to show up, they’re paying competitive wages. It is Chicago after all.
So, until either you, or George Will, explains why 25,000 people would want these low paying jobs, using this example to tout the benefits of a WallyJob is incomplete.
Not my job to entertain your assumptions.
My suggestion is that they did not want these jobs… but they needed it. And what does that say about our current job market?
Hey they’re your assumptions Pogue ... put some numbers to them so we can take them more seriously than usual. You might answer your own question.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
WallyJobs.
Is there a reason why you denegrate these sorts of jobs? Do you rag on the kid ringing up your happy meal also? DO you even respect the people who have these jobs? Sure doesn’t sound like it...

 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
My suggestion is that they did not want these jobs… but they needed it. And what does that say about our current job market?
Pogue you are either:
1) Trolling; or
2) Very Lucky; or
3) In college.

Dude 90% of us choose jobs because we needed them. In fact one’s first job is very often just that, something one DESPERATELY needs. Do you live in the Universe where we’re all doing what we LOVE? It takes YEARS to discover that and get into it, in case you’re in college.
 
Written By: Joe
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What you, nor George Will, have not explained to me, is why 25,000 people showed up for low paying WallyJobs.
I have no idea. Just as you have no idea whether they’re "low paying" jobs. My guess is, for 25,000 to show up, they’re paying competitive wages. It is Chicago after all.

So, until either you, or George Will, explains why 25,000 people would want these low paying jobs, using this example to tout the benefits of a WallyJob is incomplete.
Not my job to entertain your assumptions.
If I may, Bruce, I think the phrase your looking for is this:
Johnson having argued for some time with a pertinacious gentleman; his opponent, who had talked in a very puzzling manner, happened to say, "I don’t understand you, Sir;" upon which Johnson observed, "Sir, I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
 
Written By: MichaelW
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His name was William Manfredjinsinjin(?)
Just so you know, Pogue, I’m still giggling about that ;^)
 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
Hey they’re your assumptions Pogue ... put some numbers to them so we can take them more seriously than usual. You might answer your own question.
What!? I’m the one that has to come up with numbers?

This “25,000 people” example was yours.

I ask you why. You tell me, “I don’t know”, and you tell me that I should come numbers?

It’s George’s and yours example. If you wish to tout the benefits of a WallyJob, perhaps you should come up with numbers. Otherwise, it’s perfectly reasonable for someone like me to assume that 25,000 people show up for 325 WallyJobs because there are no high paying jobs in Chicago.

The onerous is on you, my friend.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
This “25,000 people” example was yours.
Actually it was George Will’s. So why aren’t you asking him?
I ask you why. You tell me, “I don’t know”, and you tell me that I should come numbers?
See I answered your question. Now answer mine.
It’s George’s and yours example. If you wish to tout the benefits of a WallyJob, perhaps you should come up with numbers.
I did. 25,000.

Your turn.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Again, incomplete.
So it’s safe for me to assume that Wal Mart is the Devil.

Your turn.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Is there a reason why you denegrate these sorts of jobs? Do you rag on the kid ringing up your happy meal also? DO you even respect the people who have these jobs? Sure doesn’t sound like it...
Is there a reason why you can’t get it through your dense head, shark, that I am not the Lefty that you wish for me to be.
I do not have a “politically correct” bone in my body. I will denigrate whom I choose, when I choose, where I choose. And that includes the unfortunates who work for… well … for someone else.

I only wish to understand why 25,000 people would show up for 325 jobs.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Is there a reason why you can’t get it through your dense head, shark, that I am not the Lefty that you wish for me to be
Then stop acting like it lol
 
Written By: Shark
URL: http://
Otherwise, it’s perfectly reasonable for someone like me to assume that 25,000 people show up for 325 WallyJobs because there are no high paying jobs in Chicago.
Oh, there’s plenty of high paying jobs in Chiacgo. Who do you think works in those nice tall fancy buildings by the river?

I’ll take a whirl at answering your question: The people who showed up for the Wal-Mart positions showed up because they were not qualified to get one of those high paying jobs in the fancy buildings, and the Wal-Mart position is a better position overall than most other jobs they’re qualified to get.

Now I KNOW that’s not the answer you’re trolling for, so end the game and just get to your point so we can have a good laugh.



 
Written By: Shark
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FWIW I have been reading Pogue for some time. At first I thought he was senile [I am not kidding], but then I realized that he made sense [not that I agree with what he has to say most of the time]. He is most assuredly a liberal, but the old fashioned home-grown kind as opposed to the slick, urban, effete liberal that has been nurtured by and adheres to the Liberal Narrative. Therefore, he doesn’t affect the vocabulary and attitudes of the LN- trained liberal. IMHO it would be accurate to state that he caucuses with the liberals.
 
Written By: Notherbob2
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Otherwise, it’s perfectly reasonable for someone like me to assume that 25,000 people show up for 325 WallyJobs because there are no high paying jobs in Chicago.
Not really. This is the first WalMart in Chicago. Chicago is a very large city that is probably going to end up with more than one WalMart. WalMart is known to promote its own staff internally rather than outsource hire, making getting in on the ground floor of the start up a good route to promotion. WalMart is known to be highly successful in attracting customers away from other retail, meaning all other retail jobs in the Chicago area are under increased threat. Therefore anybody employed in retail sales in Chicago would have to be out of their head stoopid not to be applying for a job at this Walmart.

I am guessing that there might be more than 25,000 people employed in retail in Chicago.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
URL: http://warisforwinning.blogspot.com/
"My suggestion is that they did not want these jobs… but they needed it. And what does that say about our current job market?"

It’s not enough information to say much of anything.

What are theskills and job experience of the applicants? Do they have skills that can normally command higher pay in other trades but those jobs are not available, or are they the least-skilled people in the market and this is the best available fit? If the latter, it says a lot more about the skill, experience, and education level of the applicants than the job market. How many of the applicants are looking to supplement a primary income; how many of them need the income and how many just want extra spending money? How many are retired, how many want after-school jobs? It’s foolish to draw conclusions about the job market and Wal-Mart based on this one data point. About all you can safely say is that demand for Wal-Mart jobs is high.



 
Written By: Unknown
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“Timmy, you’re future lies with retail.”

Be careful, there.


"Can you tell my why 25,000 people would show up for 325 jobs?"
"Uh, cause they wanted to work there?"

It must be the unusually generous salaries, the outstanding benefits, the terrific ambiance, the prestige, etc. Hey, I have been to Wal-Marts, I shop at Wal-Marts, but they are NOT the best of all possible jobs. If thousands of people apply for a few jobs, it ain’t because those jobs are the next best thing to heaven.

’Well they’re hiring in Chicago.’

I read the link. "Post your resume"???. Evidently you are not familiar with blue collar jobs-you don’t need a resume for blue collar jobs. If you gave a resume to the folks at Wal-Mart, they would probably call security.

"Presumably, they showed up because the wages and benefits were acceptable and better than anything else they could get."

Exactly. But being better than anything else available is not exactly a glowing testimonial. Would you marry a woman because she is acceptable and better than anything else you could get? If so, would you introduce her that way?

Wal-Mart is a fine store and all that, but it ain’t the consumation of 10,000 years of human progress. Why are there so many applications for so few openings? When demand for one product exceeds supply, what does that say about the alternatives?


 
Written By: timactual
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I think I am starting to get what McQ is trying to say: "Hold your nose, cross your fingers, held your breath, suspend judgement, forget common sense, ignore the evidence provided by your eyes, discount public gaffes, take no notice of pandering to various special interest groups, nevermind the lack of cogent alternatives, overcome your puzzlement about their actions with regard to WalMart, pray that somehow history will somehow repeat itself and spending will decrease and vote Democrat!"
Got it.
Ugh, guess you’re not getting a lot of offers to head up the New Media sections of many Democratic campaigns, eh? Well, keep working on it.
 
Written By: Notherbob2
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"And they are smart enough to understand that spending $1.10 locally is smarter, in the long run, than spending a buck that will end up in Bentonville."

If I’m a local retailer and I can’t figure out a way to compete against Wal-Mart, then I should think about getting into a new line of work. No one owes me a living (sorry, I should have told you to sit down for that); I have to earn it, and I shouldn’t expect strangers to sacrifice their hard-earned money to subsidize my existence. In fact, I’m quite selfish if I do, and quite immoral if I seek coercive protection from the state. Furthermore, competitive pressure typically leads to better results in the long run for everyone (to translate into liberal-speak, it benefits the greater good, though surprisingly without force, if you can even imagine that).

Nevertheless, if one actually pays attention to the local economy and avoids silly generalizations about the destruction of local business, one would note that many retailers are doing quite well in the shadow of Wal-Mart, for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with playing the ’save local businesses’ card or rent seeking. It’s practically axiomatic anymore that small businesses create 90+% of all new jobs, so I guess Wal-Mart hasn’t quite besmirched our local economies yet, doom and gloom to the contrary.

 
Written By: Unknown
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I only wish to understand why 25,000 people would show up for 325 jobs.
Because they don’t pick which 325 are going to get the jobs before they all show up. Plus they’re people people. There’s a lot of camaraderie in a line like that.
 
Written By: Pablo
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My suggestion is that they did not want these jobs… but they needed it. And what does that say about our current job market?
They would all be investment bankers if it wasn’t for Chimpy McHitlerburton’s economy?

Written By: Jordan
I tell you what you can do with that, Jordan. Why don’t you take that stinky… and roll it up into a nice spleef where you and your buddies Bert and Tom and William can smoke up till sunrise. And if your lucky, you wont turn into stone.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Pogue you are either:
1) Trolling; or
2) Very Lucky; or
3) In college.
Written By: Joe
You forgot,
4) Handsome
5) Ingenious
6) Irresistible
7) Smells terrific
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
If I may, Bruce, I think the phrase your looking for is this:
Written by: MichaelW
His name was William Manfredjinsinjin(?)
Just so you know, Pogue, I’m still giggling about that ;^)
Ah, too little too late, MichaelW.

All of you know full well, the great pains I have always taken never to be too crass, too lewd, too earthy with my taunting and needling. And as a consequence, have we not learned to blog together in relative peace and harmony, huh?
And this day’s insolence is how you repay my leniency. Well, you leave me with little choice.

MichaelW. Fair warning. I will now – as Lance once put it – “sashay” my way over to A Second Hand Conjecture, where I will punish the timid, unsuspecting ealdormen that peacefully govern their charming little realm of the blogosphere. A wrath I will bring upon thee with great harping and furious satire.
(although, you’re going to have to post something a little bit lower than the stratospheric discussions you’ve been having lately. You know, like that whole “fascism” thingie… that’s like … way over my head. How about something along the lines of a “same sex marriage” debate.. or perhaps a “War on Drugs” type deal.. no wait, I got it… George Clooney. Yeah, that’s it. Spark up a George Clooney/Liberal Hollywood row. You’ll do that for me, right?)
Then… THEN … Prepare to defend yourself.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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FWIW I have been reading Pogue for some time. At first I thought he was senile [I am not kidding], but then I realized that he made sense
Bob,… I’m totally blushing right now.
[not that I agree with what he has to say most of the time]. He is most assuredly a liberal, but the old fashioned home-grown kind as opposed to the slick, urban, effete liberal that has been nurtured by and adheres to the Liberal
Narrative.
Oh stop it. You’re embarrassing me.
Therefore, he doesn’t affect the vocabulary and attitudes of the LN- trained liberal. IMHO it would be accurate to state that he caucuses with the liberals.
Now wait a minute… I don’t caucus with nobody. There ain’t no caucusin’ goin on ‘round here. I’m decent.. God fearin’ people.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
I only wish to understand why 25,000 people would show up for 325 jobs.
Because they don’t pick which 325 are going to get the jobs before they all show up. Plus they’re people people. There’s a lot of camaraderie in a line like that.

Written By: Pablo
They went there for the party.
Finally… a straight answer from you people.

Dude, I don’t blame them. Last time I was at Wal Mart, I got a case of SamAdams for like… twelve bucks… or something.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
Oh no. Honey ferments beautifully. What it does not do is spoil. Archeologist’s have found edible honey in Egyptian tombs… not that it would taste any good.
Best to give it about a year in the bottle to mature though. After the six to nine months of fermentation. Young mead has a bite to it.

Mature mead, OTOH, is like sunshine in a glass. Fills you full of happy optimism - which might be just the thing, after a long day in a blue smock.
 
Written By: Gil
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You’re right, Gil.

However, I like it with a bite to it. For me, the best mead is thirty days old.

Watch out for the hangover, though…
Seriously…
…it’ll like, totally go biblical on yo ass.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://ceilidhcowboy.typepad.com/
For me it’s around month 18. But to each their own. Cheers.
 
Written By: Gil
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It’s not enough information to say much of anything.

What are theskills and job experience of the applicants? Do they have skills that can normally command higher pay in other trades but those jobs are not available, or are they the least-skilled people in the market and this is the best available fit? If the latter, it says a lot more about the skill, experience, and education level of the applicants than the job market. How many of the applicants are looking to supplement a primary income; how many of them need the income and how many just want extra spending money? How many are retired, how many want after-school jobs? It’s foolish to draw conclusions about the job market and Wal-Mart based on this one data point. About all you can safely say is that demand for Wal-Mart jobs is high.
Okay, Unknown, let’s add some data points:

Chicagoland population: 9312554
Chicagoland unemployment rate: 4.7%
Unemployed Chicagans: 437,690
Unemployed Chicagans applying to Walmart: 25000
% Unemployed Chicagans who want a job at Walmart: 5.711%

Reference one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicagoland
Reference two: http://www.ides.state.il.us/economy/cps.pdf
 
Written By: Gil
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Furthermore, I’d like to know what fantasy land some of you are living in, where everybody can be choosey about what kind of job they have. If everybody got the job they wanted, rather than the job they needed, we’d have a lot more pornstars and fighter pilots and a lot fewer janitors and garbage men.

Life just isn’t fair, especially if you don’t have any marketable skills.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Finally, many of these same moderates are also going green. Getting more conscious about their health, the food they eat, etc. They go to farmers markets. They are starting to buy organic. They want to buy food grown locally, from a local farmer or locally based store.
I have been green, and health conscious for years now, but I am not a Lefty, Also, I don;t like Wall mart and don’t shop there, but I don’t like ass clown politicians attacking a legitimate company for political reasons. Such a strategy is absolutely immoral, and what i expect from Democrats.
 
Written By: kyle N
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
I think I am starting to get what McQ is trying to say: "Hold your nose, cross your fingers, held your breath, suspend judgement, forget common sense, ignore the evidence provided by your eyes, discount public gaffes, take no notice of pandering to various special interest groups, nevermind the lack of cogent alternatives, overcome your puzzlement about their actions with regard to WalMart, pray that somehow history will somehow repeat itself and spending will decrease and vote Democrat!"
Or you could continue to believe the Republicans and watch government and spending continue to increase at an unprecedented rate as it has the past 6 years.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Yeahbut....Wal-Mart gets probably 1% bonus on its income because of CORPORATE WELFARE. Nevermind it would probably make more money if it dumped the corporate welfare strategy. But corporate welfare is wrong...so we must kill the golden goose.

Yeahbut....Wal-Mart opposes unions. Sure unions would kill the golden goose like a slow-forming cancer, but since we can’t have that...let’s go for a quick death and outlaw evil Walmart.
 
Written By: Leftist Idol Worshiper
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they vote for tax policies skewed toward the wealthy
Well, unless your taxable income was below 10,000 dollars, in which case you were either eliminated from paying taxes or had your rate reduced by 1/2...


Maybe people want to work at Walmart because they have jobs there, and they want jobs. Or maybe they get an employee discount.

Fact is, it isn’t the governments job to pull strings for or against any specific company. Which is something the Democrats seem to be all for in the negative. Republicans may favor business (hmm, maybe because it keeps people employed and paying taxes,) but I don’t recall anything recent where they tried to pass a law targeting a specific company.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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You all do realize, of course, that the 24,675 people who don’t get hired there will nonetheless have met one important criteria for receiving unemployment insurance? Proof of seeking a job?
 
Written By: Gil
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You all do realize, of course, that the 24,675 people who don’t get hired there will nonetheless have met one important criteria for receiving unemployment insurance? Proof of seeking a job?
You do realize, of course, that the overwhelming majority of those 24,675 had already been seeking a job or were holding a job that they went back to, right? It’s not like 24,675 people in Chicago were suddenly eligible for unemployment benefits just because Wal-Mart posted a "Help Wanted" sign.
 
Written By: Steverino
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4) Handsome
5) Ingenious
6) Irresistible
7) Smells terrific
I am doubting 4 and 7, on 5 and 6 I have to agree.
Dude, I don’t blame them. Last time I was at Wal Mart, I got a case of SamAdams for like… twelve bucks… or something.
Now that I know what you keep in your refrigerator I am looking forward to visiting you even more. Wal Mart is definitely the place to buy a case of Sam Adams.

I do want some mead now, and this time I insist on paying.
How about something along the lines of a “same sex marriage” debate.. or perhaps a “War on Drugs” type deal.. no wait, I got it… George Clooney. Yeah, that’s it. Spark up a George Clooney/Liberal Hollywood row. You’ll do that for me, right?)
No George Clooney, though Oriana Fallaci was a babe in her day if you are looking for titilation. Unfortunately I have no pictures of her in little or nothing at age 25, only a notice that she died. I do think however that we have something on the war on drugs coming up. I am only worried we will all agree and you’ll just silently pass on by. Speaking of that and sashaying, where is the next post? I have been patiently waiting.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://www.asecondhandconjecture.com
Your data ads nothing Gil. You still know nothing about the actual applicants. You don’t know how many are unemployed, and of those, how many are by choice. You’re assuming that they are all unemployed. Some probably are not. Ever have a job and search for another?

You also seem to be assuming that they all need the work to earn a living. This can be invalidated by visiting your local big box retailer and observing/asking how many are part-timers who don’t need the income for primary household support.

We all know, too, that the definition of ’unemployment’ is not exactly a firm, easy to measure number. I’m sure some of that large pool is unemployed, of course.

Finally, as I said before, you also don’t know about their skills and experience, so a conclusion about the job market cannot be made either. Saying the job market must be bad because 25k people applied for jobs at Wal-Mart does not automatically follow. The job market may be great for people with higher-level skills. I suspect a casual inspection of the newspaper, job boards, and company websites will reveal lots of openings.

 
Written By: Unknown
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It took the George W. Bush era to turn me against all organized religions, and it took this article to make me appreciate liberals. At least they are aware of the problems in our society. Many of you live in a cocoon, pretending that financial difficulties are all due to some personal shortcomings. Well, disappearing jobs are creeping up the economic scale. A lot of engineers, for example, are being replaced by ones from other countries, who will work for less. Consequently, jobs for those who did take your holy personal responsibiliy to get a college education are struggling in a shrinking job market, and many now work for lowered wages.
The effects of globalization can’t be fixed by either party, if they pursue an ideological agenda, instead of a practical one.

Tax cuts feel good, but they are not addressing the social upheaval in our country. Tax cuts on personal income, as opposed to business taxes, do not produce jobs, they produce wealth. Our society is becoming stratidied into social classes, which, in turn, are becoming more and more rigid.
It’s shortsighted to think that you can snuggle up to your own money (it’s always said to be ’hard-earned’, instead of inherited) and just sneer at the unworthies struggling to make ends meet.
You have to share a country with them, like it or not. Ignore inequalities long enough, and you create the chaos that is Latin America. There is no better advertisement for socialism than extreme social inequality.
Bush keeps on ranting how the Muslim extremists hate us because we are democratic. He’s so wrong. They hate us because we are arrogant. We dom’t bother to find out how the world looks from their prospective. Just like many of you don’t bother to find out how the world looks from the prespective of the ’other’ in our own country.
You just keep cracking clever jokes about Democrats and liberals, but you remain ignorant about who your neighbors are in this country, and on this planet. It’s a dangerous ignorance.
Oh well, just let them eat cake, right?



 
Written By: Laime
URL: http://
Laime, unemployment is 4.7% (aka full employment), home ownership is at an all time high, small business is a huge and growing segment of our economy, and we’ve got the world’s fattest poor people. The areas that have clearly marked lower class lines are largely those that have embraced victimhood and entitlement instead of the American values of opportunity and self determination.

There is no extreme social inequality, except for that which places the financial burden on a small segment of the population. Everyone has opportunity, and the poor are given more by society than the wealthy. Everyone can upgrade their quality of life barring infirmity.
You just keep cracking clever jokes about Democrats and liberals, but you remain ignorant about who your neighbors are in this country, and on this planet. It’s a dangerous ignorance.
Because if we don’t understand and give them more stuff they haven’t earned, there will be violence? Is that what you’re saying, Laime?
 
Written By: Pablo
URL: http://
HERE WE GO AGAIN, PABLP
Against my better judgment, let me just clarify a few points.
1. Don’t believe every statistic you read. Having worked with numbers in one form or another during my entire working life, I know how statistics can be used to prove almost anything you set out to prove. Unemployment figures, for example, only include those receiving unemployment benefits. Those who have run out of benefits because they couldn’t find a new job within a specified period are excluded from the statistic. Those who haven’t managed to land a first job or a combination of jobs to earn enough to qualify for benefits are excluded from the statistic.
2. Your statement that there is no extreme social inequality just illustrates my point about being ignorant of how the world looks to many of your fellow citizens. Think of the family whose teenagers have to work to contribute to the family’s needs. They have to choose between contributing to the family and using all their resources, plus acquiring enormous debt, to do what you prescribe and get an education. The ones who manage to scrape up enough for college courses won’t be getting those courses at Harvard. So, when they are job junting after graduation, they are at a disadbantage agatin.
Because college education is becoming more and more expensive, more are forced to give up the enterprise, and become unworthy of your consideration.
3. About your ’give them more stuff’ or there will be violence statement: that is so ridiculous. I was simply making an observation that economic and social inequality leads to social unrest, and social unrest is detrimental to everyone, privileged and disadvantaged alike.
Ours is a very angry country; just read the blogs, like this one. Instead of talking in emply slogans, I hink we must admit that we have social and economic problems and try to find realistic, pragmatic ways to address them. A dog-eat-dog world only leads to a lot of angry dogs willing to mix it up.
4. Don’t buy into every empty political slogan you hear. All social situations are complex, and while slogans can serve to bring attention to an issue, they can in no way explain it, justify it, or remedy it. Democrats are akwats beubg described by non-Democrats as being this or that.
The truth is, Democrats are a coalition of various groups with various agendas. I find this more acceptable than the robotic sloganeering of the Republicans, who seldom (until just recently) seem able to articulate anything without reading from a ’talking points’ list.

I vote Republican or Democrat according to current issues and candidates. I reserve my right to think independently about issues, not slogans.

Don’t be afraid of becoming familiar with opposing views. Opinions are not weapons.
Don’t be afraid at looking at the world beyond your own situation. Kownledge can only enlighten.
Don’t be afraid of thinking outside the box. No one strictly defined attitude can lead to solutions. You have to look at the world around you, compare notes, and look for reasond, pragmatic ways to address problems. _



 
Written By: Laime
URL: http://
Consequently, jobs for those who did take your holy personal responsibiliy to get a college education are struggling in a shrinking job market, and many now work for lowered wages.
Give me a break. This is the best job market for college grads in years. I should know; I’m graduating this semester. The recruiters and professors all emphasize how hot the job market is right now. And the companies I interviewed with had a shortage of software engineers. You know what that means: higher pay.

If you graduate and you can’t find a job now there’s one of two reasons: 1) You got a liberal arts degree, or 2) Your GPA is too low.
Unemployment figures, for example, only include those receiving unemployment benefits. Those who have run out of benefits because they couldn’t find a new job within a specified period are excluded from the statistic. Those who haven’t managed to land a first job or a combination of jobs to earn enough to qualify for benefits are excluded from the statistic.
We use it as an indicator because it generally correlates with those who are excluded, as well. Perhaps, you’d like to offer up some evidence to support your assertions?

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I love the irony in the juxtaposition of this statement
I reserve my right to think independently about issues, not slogans.
and these statements
Don’t be afraid of becoming familiar with opposing views. Opinions are not weapons.
Don’t be afraid at looking at the world beyond your own situation. Kownledge can only enlighten.
Don’t be afraid of thinking outside the box. No one strictly defined attitude can lead to solutions. You have to look at the world around you, compare notes, and look for reasond, pragmatic ways to address problems. _
 
Written By: Jordan
URL: http://
Laime, got any more cliches? What part of 4.7% unemployment do you take issue with?

That’s quite a load of crap you’ve spewed out there.
 
Written By: Pablo
URL: http://
So Laime, based on one guy you’ve turned against all organized religions and based on one article you now appreciate liberals. That’s some pretty deep thinking outside of the box there.
 
Written By: Unknown
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