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Iranians criticize Pope, riots in Rome, mosques burned
Posted by: McQ on Monday, September 18, 2006

OK, not really, but as this story rumbles on, it becomes more and more ridiculous:
Iranian hardline newspapers said there were signs of an Israeli-US plot behind remarks by Pope Benedict XVI that linked Islam to violence and created a wave of anger across the Muslim world.

The daily Jomhuri Islami said Israel and the United States — the Islamic republic's two arch-enemies — could have dictated the comments to distract attention from the resistance of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah to Israel's offensive on Lebanon.
Now the Pope is a zionist tool ... yeah, that works. Of course, unlike "muslim leaders", this will be blown off by the west and we won't be burning mosques and killing imams by shooting them in the back.

For the most part, why is it that every time Islam is given an opportunity to demonstrate its claim to be the "religion of peace", people die and places are burned?

A general question to start your Monday off right.
 
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"For the most part, why is it that every time Islam is given an opportunity to demonstrate its claim to be the "religion of peace", people die and places are burned?"

How else can the "Religion of Peace" force the world to recognize the validity of their peaceful nature against the zionist controlled world media?

SNARK

 
Written By: SShiell
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The Pope a Zionist tool? Yes, well, they should review history to see for themselves how well the Zionsists have gotten along with the institution that is the Catholic Church. Many still finger Pius XII as a Nazi collaborater/sympathizer/appeaser and the current Pope was briefly a member of the Hitler Youth (though he left it and the evidence of his beliefs is that they are contrary to those of the Nazi Party).

I’m waiting for the rabid associations these creatures give, tying persons and groups to Zionist conspiracies, to run its eventual course and come full circle. At some point they are bound to become confused in the heat of an embassy burning, nun killing or beheading and accuse themselves of being part of the dreaded Zionist conspiracy.
 
Written By: Joab
URL: http://joabsblog.blogspot.com
For the most part, why is it that every time Islam is given an opportunity to demonstrate its claim to be the "religion of peace", people die and places are burned?

Could it be...they are upset; ticked off?

Because they now live in bombed out caves?

Created by western funded weapons?

And can only feed salty gravel to their children?

May-be. Sitting in our little homes with our little desks and little computers; we will never know their feelings.

We will never understand the motivation of the desperate.
 
Written By: Rick Day
URL: http://goplobby.org
Because they now live in bombed out caves?

Created by western funded weapons?

And can only feed salty gravel to their children?
Bombed out caves? Salty gravel? Where?
Sitting in our little homes with our little desks and little computers; we will never know their feelings.
Sure we can. They tell us all the time. You just have to listen to them. Then you wouldn’t have to wonder about caves and gravel. I highly recommend it.
We will never understand the motivation of the desperate.
What does desperation have to do with these protests and acts of violence?
 
Written By: Pablo
URL: http://
Uh, Rick, are you under the impression this is a post Iraq issue? That all Muslims live in someplace resembling Afghanistan? This rage is not about being oppressed by us. Read Qutb or Bin Laden or any of the theorists. Those things have little to do with it.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://www.asecondhandconjecture.com
This is really getting scary. Unfortunately, the Muslim ’masses’ have little or no understanding or the western way of thinking and they follow their imams and rabble rousers. I’m sure to most of them we are just the evil west, with Jews, atheists, Prostestants and the Pope all thrown into one bag. As much as we might agree about the errors of their ways, we have to face up to the fact that they simply see the world differently. Sadly, there are many Muslim thinkers who are dismayed at this misuse of Islam, but they are totally drowned out by the radicals and the mobs.
By the same token, the Pope doesn’t seem to have any understanding of the Muslim world, either, or he wouldn’t have given this ridiculous speech. What was he trying to say, exactly, and was it worth saying it at this time?
All this just goes to show that religious leaders shouldn’t meddle so much in world events; let them stick to matters of the soul, not politics, or the politics of religion.
If ever there was a time for coo, sceptical, rational and pragmatic thinking, that time is now.
 
Written By: Laime
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By the same token, the Pope doesn’t seem to have any understanding of the Muslim world, either, or he wouldn’t have given this ridiculous speech. What was he trying to say, exactly, and was it worth saying it at this time?
It’s perfectly clear if you bother to read what he said.
All this just goes to show that religious leaders shouldn’t meddle so much in world events; let them stick to matters of the soul, not politics, or the politics of religion.
Was he meddling somehow? I thought he was speaking to a scholarly group of theologians and academics at a university in Germany.
 
Written By: Pablo
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"By the same token, the Pope doesn’t seem to have any understanding of the Muslim world, either, or he wouldn’t have given this ridiculous speech. What was he trying to say, exactly, and was it worth saying it at this time?"
Laime before you make your Written By: a homophone, please elaborate on what exactly do you think the Pope said?

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Even the Times thinks the Pope screwed up .. no surprise there.

I was thinking maybe Iranian President Ahmadinejad and a few Revolutionary Guards should stop by the Times building in the next week or so while in town for the UN session and to do some "converting."
 
Written By: Neo
URL: http://
I tell you what.

World population of Muslims: 1 billion

Participants in mass acts of anger: a few thousand, globally

Opportunistic Arab government exploitation: several

Muslims who really don’t care: 1 billion minus a few thousand

Conservative websites that paint the actions of the minority as indicative of the religion/global population without noting the scope: part of the problem
 
Written By: glasnost
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World population of Muslims: 1 billion
Those who polling says support the radical version of jihad and war on the west: 10%.

Not an insignificant number.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Iranians do not criticize pope. Leaders of Iran are not elected by people, they are crazy dictators.
As an Iranian living under Islamic terror for 26 years, i am mad at Pope.
Not because quoting that emperor, but because of apologizing to islamic terrorists.
There was no reason for him to apologize, and now islamists feel stronger than before because once again they won an apology by firebombing a few places. Their methods are working flawlessly and civilized world is shooting itself in the foot once again.
and by the way, that emperor was right. Violence was the way islam was forced to Persia, India, Balkan, North Africa and Spain.
 
Written By: Ardeshir
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Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, the leader of the Muslim Council of Britain suggests that two million in Britain could well be on the path to terrorism.

Just a tiny minority, right? Or is it a lot more than that? This Muslim leader seems to think it’s the latter.
 
Written By: Pablo
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THE POPE SAGA CONTINUES
Yes, I have read lengthy excerpts from the Pope’s speech. I understand that he was quoting from a 14th century document, and I understand that the angry Muslims fail to consider the context. But the speech is less than clear on how he relates this passage to modern discourse. Even Catholic writers are debating the Pope’s intentions, It feels like we are in the middle of a world riot, and in any riot, it is wise to be careful about what you say. It is doubly wise to be very clear about what you are saying, but clarity was not the Pope’s strong point. The Pope should also have been aware that every whisper at every forum hits the Internet within seconds. Unless journalists are barred, and those present are made to sign nondisclosure statements, every forum is a public forum.

I would argue that the Pope has the right to say whatever he wants and that Danish newspapers have the right to print whatever cartoons they wants. In both cases, the right to free speech should be weighed against the wisdom of that speech at a particular time, in theis case, when the whole world seems to be angry at the whole world, including commentators on this site.

If I’m in a room with an enraged crazy person, I would be prudent to save my free speech prerogatives until the atmosphere has cooled down.

Was the Pope wrong? No. Was the Pope wise? NO>
 
Written By: Laime
URL: http://
World population of Muslims: 1 billion

Participants in mass acts of anger: a few thousand, globally

Opportunistic Arab government exploitation: several

Muslims who really don’t care: 1 billion minus a few thousand
Those "mass acts of anger", as you try to sugar-coat them, have killed many, many people over the years. And the silence from the rest of the Muslim world continues.

Is the silence due to not caring, or is it tacit consent?
 
Written By: Steverino
URL: http://steverino.journalspace.com/
MSM 101.

Excerpt and rearrange context on Popes speech, show to Muslims. Pick up feed of demonstrating Muslims and death threats, show to proles. Controversy, sales, popularity to follow. Comment on the unfortunate nature of the worlds intractable hostilities.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
URL: http://warisforwinning.blogspot.com/
MSM 101.

Excerpt and rearrange context on Popes speech, show to Muslims. Pick up feed of demonstrating Muslims and death threats, show to proles. Controversy, sales, popularity to follow. Comment on the unfortunate nature of the worlds intractable hostilities.


Lol!!!

Finally, a criticism of the mainstream media I can agree with!

You just earned yourself a new reader, unaha! Get psyched!


 
Written By: glasnost
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The Pope has opened a second front with radical Islam.

This time it is an intellectual front confronting the conflict between religion and violence. A religion of peace can’t be advocating violence as a path to God. Likewise, advocating violence as a path to belief, doesn’t create belief, only fear. Without true belief, there is no religion. So there is a conflict within Islam.

Besides, if Allah had wanted us all to be Muslims, it would have been so. To believe otherwise, is to question Allah.

Now, of course, every imam from here to Mecca is going to feel threaten. Damn, their trump card of "death and paradise" is under attack in a battle of words and ideas.
 
Written By: Neo
URL: http://
"We will never understand the motivation of the desperate."

Perhaps if they would focus some of that outrage on the actions of their own governments, which oppress them and keep them in poverty, instead of on what someone thousands of miles away says, they would not be quite so desperate
 
Written By: timactual
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Laime,

You can pretend that avoiding calling out Islamic violence for what it is will somehow avoid further strife, but all it will do is prolong the madness.

What better allies of a movement bent on dominating the world than those who repeatedly offer the benefit of the doubt, even while being stabbed in the back?



 
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