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Oh my gosh!
Posted by: McQ on Monday, September 18, 2006

Dave Johnson, over at HuffPo is aghast, aghast I tell you:
A new front group has appeared on the scene. Yesterday in her Patriot Project post Robert J. Perry is Back, Taylor Marsh wrote about Robert J. Perry plunking down $5 million (!) just to fund the Economic Freedom Fund (EFF). Perry - who has close ties to Karl Rove and Tom DeLay - was a prime funder of the notorious Swift Boat Vets for Freedom - the smear front-group that made claims including that John Kerry shot himself to get his medals - and now this one person is providing $5 million in funding for a national front group that is attempting to have an influence on the control of the Congress in this election.
Imagine that! One can only assume that he's forgotten the name George Soros who led the way in trying to "have an influence in the control of" a presidential election:
Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.)
I do so enjoy the mock outrage and selective memory which allows people like Johnson to write what they write with a straight face.

And btw, Mr. Johnson, the charge was never that Kerry "shot himself". It was that Kerry used wounds which happened to be accidentally self-inflicted and not a result of contact with the enemy as a basis for claiming 2 of his Purple Hearts.
 
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Glad you jumped on that dishonest "shot himself" meme. When I read that my blood pressure went up a notch.
 
Written By: tom scott
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The only time Kerry "shot himself" was when he opened his mouth.

Even here, Swift Boat Vets for Freedom, isn’t it Swift Vets and POWs for Truth. Truth or Freedom, a bit of a difference.

Besides, Kerry brought up the idea of kicking their asses from one end of the country to the other, just recently, practically inviting a response.
 
Written By: Neo
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The fact that you are defending the Swift Vets gives me pause to ask if you believe that this group represented an honest point view in a honest manner overall?

As for the article itself, there is not suggestion that this is illegal or should not be allowed, just intelligence that the other side is building up their warchests and preparing for battle, and pointing out specifics about the people who run this group, with information that would surely encourage anyone that loves America to right a check to the DNC ;)

Cap
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
URL: http://
The fact that you are defending the Swift Vets gives me pause to ask if you believe that this group represented an honest point view in a honest manner overall?
Having read the book and then done detailed independent research, yes, in my opinion, their view was generally presented honestly. You’re welcome to hit the site’s search engine to read it.
As for the article itself, there is not suggestion that this is illegal or should not be allowed, just intelligence that the other side is building up their warchests and preparing for battle, and pointing out specifics about the people who run this group, with information that would surely encourage anyone that loves America to right a check to the DNC ;)
Nor was I commenting on whether he was suggesting it should be illegal or not allowed. I commented on his selective memory.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Nor was I commenting on whether he was suggesting it should be illegal or not allowed. I commented on his selective memory.
So anytime someone mentions something happening, that have to reference any similar occurance that has ever occurred before or ir represents selective memory?

Does he claim that Soros et al never funded such groups?

I don’t see where he shows a lack of recollection of Soros.

I am quite sure that if asked, he would indicate that Soros and others were funding efforts to save America from bad guys like the ones mentioned in this article.

Cap
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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So anytime someone mentions something happening, that have to reference any similar occurance that has ever occurred before or ir represents selective memory?
If they attempt to present it as some sort of unique event, yes.

There was a reason he said: "... and now this one person is providing $5 million in funding...".
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Most rational folks who read Dave, particularly at Seeing the Forest, know that he is just a bit inclined towards conspiracy theories. This post (actually cross posted) shows his more moderate manufacturing selective outrage side.
 
Written By: bains
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If they attempt to present it as some sort of unique event, yes.

There was a reason he said: "... and now this one person is providing $5 million in funding...".
That’s quite a reach.

This IS unusual, certainly worth reporting, but not unique, and nowhere did the author assert or imply that it is unique.

There indeed was a reason for his "on person" comment, it reflects that which is unusual, not that it has never happened before.

I know you want for him to have said that this has never happened, but he just didn’t do that.

He merely pointed out something worthy of being pointed out, just as right wingers pointed out Soros’ contributions.

I assure you, I could find stories about Soros’ contribution that actually ARE inflammatory.

Cap

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic (yeah, that one)
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That’s quite a reach.
Not as far as I’m concerned and thus the story.
This IS unusual, certainly worth reporting, but not unique, and nowhere did the author assert or imply that it is unique.
And I disagree, thus the story.

Look Cap, you can spend now until eternity trying to tell me what I should or shouldn’t "report" on or how I should or shouldn’t "report" on them, but it won’t change a thing. As I said before, I’m not a reporter. I write about things that interest me and I give my opinion about them. You’re welcome to comment. But if you think commentary like this is going to have any effect on what I choose or say, you’re mistaken.
I assure you, I could find stories about Soros’ contribution that actually ARE inflammatory.
Well you might want to start your own blog and do so. But the point of this story had nothing to do with inflammatory stories about Soros.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
On the subject of Soros (not exactly Off Topic but more of a "by the way"): most of my life I have heard collectivists make disparaging remarks about capitalists labelled "robber barons." Is Soros a robber baron? If not, why is he different? If he didn’t acquire his fortune through force or fraud, he is certainly using his wealth to advance the interests of Der Staat, the ultimate "robber baron." Just wondering.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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you can spend now until eternity trying to tell me what I should or shouldn’t "report" on or how I should or shouldn’t "report" on them
I think it is well worth discussion, and I am not disputing whether you should or should not have posted this article, that’s not my concern, it’s your blog (an excellent blog at that), I am just disagreeing with your characterization.

It wasn’t me that responded to a story about Perry with a reference to Soros in the second sentence.

It sounds a lot like, "they did it first".

Perry is pile of excrement that lowers the level of discourse in America, I do not believe that Soros is guilty of the same.

Both put a lot of money into politics, but that does mean that they are the same with the only difference being their ideology.

Cap
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
URL: http://
It sounds a lot like, "they did it first".
Not at all. I don’t care if 500 people on both side give 5 million each to their favorite cause.

What I was commenting on is his selective memory concerning his use of "this one person", as if that was a first.

Again, what caught my eye was his emphasis of those words. He did it for some purpose. Now we can disagree as to what his purpose was, but it did have a purpose.
Perry is pile of excrement that lowers the level of discourse in America, I do not believe that Soros is guilty of the same.
Wow. Well, we’ll have to disagree on that as well.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Perry is pile of excrement that lowers the level of discourse in America
Why? Because of the Swift Boat Vets for Freedom?
 
Written By: Mark
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