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Update on Body Armor post
Posted by: mcq on Thursday, September 21, 2006

It started slow, but it finally is building. That is the repudiation of the political ad which said that troops were deployed to Iraq in protective vests "left over from Vietnam" finally made it to FactCheck.org. In a post entitled "False Claims About Body Armor" they say:
The ad also exaggerates the body-armor problem by falsely claiming that troops were sent to Iraq using vests " left over from the Vietnam War." What the ad actually shows, however, is not a Vietnam-era vest at all but an improved vest the Pentagon adopted in the 1980's, and which was standard issue until the current "Interceptor" armor began to be phased in starting in 1999.

We first became aware of this after seeing a blog post on the subject, and confirmed it with some further research.
I love being "confirmed" by further research. It's a pity those who put the ad out didn't bother to do the same. Well, let's be candid. More likely than not, they knew better and did it anyway. In anyone's parlance, that's a lie.

To put a final stake in the heart of the lie:
We showed the ad to Simon Shaw, co-founder of the VietnamGear website, who said the vest shown "is not from the Vietnam war." He identified the vest the ad is showing as a Ground Troops Fragmentation Protective Vest that was part of the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops (PASGT) introduced after Vietnam . These later vests were made of Kevlar, not nylon, and offered somewhat greater protection against shrapnel. The Kevlar vests replaced the old nylon vests during the 1980's.
I rest my case. BTW, I think we may have heard from the ad providers in our last comment thread (near the bottom). A good example of politics at any cost if you care to see it.
 
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AZ Republic, FactCheck.org lobbed misleading claims in attempt to debunk Vote Vets ad criticizing Allen

Summary: In defending Sen. George Allen against a new television advertisement criticizing his 2003 vote on a Democratic amendment that would have increased National Guard funding for body armor, The Arizona Republic falsely suggested — and the website FactCheck.org falsely asserted — that Allen and his Republican colleagues have never voted against supplemental funding for body armor.

GET THE FACTS...ALLEN VOTED AGAINST BODY ARMOR...

And here’s the link...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200609220002

Nice try....but as usual with the Allen campaign there’s no substance and no truth...

So go back to hiding behind Allen’s mother’s skirts! Oh yeah...and keep trying to blame Webb for what’s coming out of Allen’s mouth....It’s not going to work!

Buzz...Buzz...
 
Written By: mosquito
URL: http://mosquito-blog.blogspot.com
GET THE FACTS
Wow! Every single Republican senator opposed upgrading body armor for the troops? Those Bastards!
 
Written By: JWG
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So, this is where we are:

If you want a right-wing truth, you go to Fact Check, because you can rely on them to present the right-wing ’facts’.
If you want the left-wing truth, you go to Media Matters, because you can rely on them to present the left-wing ’facts’.

For any common sense analysis, you can rely on neither. They each get part of the ’truth’, but neither is above the influence of bias which determines how their case is presented.

In politics, facts and truth are just tools in the struggle for power. And we are all the losers, for buying into this gimmickry. I haven’t seen the ads in question, and a quick stab at trying to dertermine the chain of who said what when and did what when, gave me a headache.

It’s all a magic show, folks. It’s even a bigger magic show in Congress, which seems to be corrupt, not only financially, but in having lost its sense of why they are there. Did you know that a Congressman convicted of a feloy still is entitled to a nice pension, financed by all of us, after he gets out of jail?
I’m much less shocked and worried about campaign ads, even though many are disgusting, than I am by what happens after the electees get to Washington.




 
Written By: Laime
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If you want a right-wing truth, you go to Fact Check, because you can rely on them to present the right-wing ’facts’.

If you want the left-wing truth, you go to Media Matters, because you can rely on them to present the left-wing ’facts’.
So there are no just plain "obvious facts" apparently?

Having worn both vests, I obviously know the difference between a vest "left over from VN" and a PASGT which is the vest which was featured in the ad.

And independent research as confirmed that.

Why isn’t that good enough?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
If you want a right-wing truth, you go to Fact Check, because you can rely on them to present the right-wing ’facts’
Well, except they ripped the Bush campaign up one side and down the other in 2004.
 
Written By: JWG
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MCQ:
I’m not qualified to judge this particular ad. I haven’t seen it, and the history surrounding it seems too convoluted for me to analyze.
But I do know something about presentation. With facts, like with statistics, the outcome depends on which ’facts’ you choose and which you omit. Sometimes there are contradictory facts. Sometimes a ’fact’ is skewed by being taken oit of cpmtext. Nothing is ever as plain as a simple looking conclusion.
You might be right about this ad, or not.
I’m just generally sceptical about both Fact Check and Media Matters. Neither is without their own agendas.

Ouch, MCQ! This reprimand after I complimented you on your blog re the detainee treatment compromse!
 
Written By: Laime
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Ouch, MCQ! This reprimand after I complimented you on your blog re the detainee treatment compromse!
It really wasn’t a repremand, I was seriously asking why what I had written wasn’t enough to convince you the vest he claimed was "left over from Vietnam" was indeed a vest made in the ’80s?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog

 
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