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Chavez: A uniter not a divider
Posted by: mcq on Thursday, September 21, 2006

Leave it to Hugo to finally give the Democrats and Republicans something they can agree upon.

Namely that he's an ass.

Charles Rangel (D-NY)
"If there's any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not," Rangel said at a Washington news conference.

"I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president: Don't come to the United States and think, because we have problems with our president, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," Rangel said.
Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had speaking at the United Nations," Pelosi said. "In doing so, in the manner which he characterized the president, he demeaned himself and demeaned Venezuela."
Sort of a twist on the old "I can hit my brother, but you touch him and we'll both kick your hiney". Actually it's nice to see a little bit of a united front, even with something as irrelevant as Hugo Chavez and his clownish behavior.

John Bolton, however, had the best line:
"We're not going to address that sort of comic-strip approach to international affairs," John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., said shortly after Chavez spoke Wednesday.
Question: While obviously heads of state should be allowed access to speak at the UN, does the US have any obligation to allow people like Chavez further permission to wander the country spouting his execrable crap?

And yes, I've heard the theory that the Dems are doing this for political gain and really don't mean it. But you know, sometimes a cigar is just ... a cigar.
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Previous Comments to this Post 

Chavez, Hugo, Devil Smeller, self inflating, 1.
Written By: looker
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Chavez, Hugo, Devil Smeller, self inflating, 1.
Make it "1 ea., rojo in color".
Written By: McQ
And yes, I’ve heard the theory that the Dems are doing this for political gain and really don’t mean it. But you know, sometimes a cigar is just ... a cigar
....but not in this case.

They spend 364 days a year painting Bush as Hitler/traitor/liar/halliburton lackey etc etc so it seems hollow to hear them say this.
Written By: shark
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As I said in a comment over at, given Rangel’s propensity for intense Bush criticism, he seems to be taking the Animal House position: "He can’t do that to our pledges. Only *we* can do that to our pledges."
Written By: Billy Hollis
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he seems to be taking the Animal House position
Yup, or as I characterized it in the post: "I can hit my brother, but you touch him and we’ll both kick your hiney".
Written By: McQ
Thank heaven 1 ea. is quantity in container, not quantity to be delivered.
Written By: looker
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Oh, yes. It’s the Dem’s fault. If an another hurricane hits the US mainland, you can bet that the Dem’s are behind it.
Which is your favoite 9/11 conspiracy theory?
Written By: Laime
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And How exactly are the things he said any different from the things Rangel and other Dems have been saying?

Oh! wait I know! he made an allusion to a mythical figure, that goes against Democratic secularism. Yeah that must be what they dislike.
Written By: kyle N

That Bush’s failure to sign Kyoto both precipitated 9-11 and was a factor in Katrina?
Written By: Lurking Observer
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Wow, even Pelosi spoke out against him? Must either mean Chavez was blatantly, plainly and obviously wrong or it will make her look good to do this. Sorry, but politicians have caused me to become jaded.

I’d like to see Bolton challenge Chavez to a mustache fight. "But", you say, "Hugo has no mustache!" Correct, which is why the fight would be greatly lopsided. And even if he did have a mustache he’d lose. Just look at that majestic subdivision of hair Bolton has beneath his nose. It has it’s own zip code! And anyone named Hugo, who is not German or Slovak, has got to be a pansy.
Written By: Joab
I disagree with Rangel.

Foreign leaders have every right to criticize us, just as we do them.
Written By: Harun
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No, KYLE, both 9/11 and katrina were Dem. plots to embarass Bush. These plots were hatched during satanic rituals, at midnight, in the Snate basement. There will probably be a docu-crama about this soon.
Written By: Laime
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What are you talking about? They have VIDEO of the Republicans showing exactly where Katrina was going to hit! There they are, on tape! Saying it would hit
downtown N.O. and and follow such and such a path inland. Damn me if that’s not EXACTLY what happened! Sounds like they damn well planned it to me!
How could they do that unless they were guiding it?!!!!

And my favorite 9/11 conspiracy is how the WTC was wired with explosives beforehand to come down and yet Bush couldn’t get anyone to help him plant incriminating WMD’s in Iraq.
The other favorite is that no plane actually hit the Pentagon because there wasn’t a cartoon like shadow impression of the plane visible in the side of the building.

Written By: looker
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If there’s any criticism of President Ahmadinejad, it should be restricted to Iranians, whether they voted for him or not
Written By: burris ewell
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Harun, Burris
You got a point, there.
Written By: Steve
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Foreign leaders have every right to criticize us, just as we do them.
Sure they do. That’s fine in the UN.

But do we have to put up with them doing it in Harlem as well?
Written By: McQ
We can hack it for now, McQ.

But, when the real fighting starts, we can tighten our admissions requirements then.

[OT, but Chomsky’s schtick is so 90’s. Manufacturing dissent is old-hat, and the Anglosphere is "wake-up" to it (to use some "Down-under" lingo on you).]
Written By: Steve
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Who spoke the words "Axis of Evil" from that very same podium? What government fabricated evidence for WMD in Iraq in that very same complex.

What government invaded Iraq under false and fabricated pretexts? Was it Venezuela? Cuba? Iran?

Kofi Annon : "the war is illegal"
Pat Tillman: "the war is fxxking illegal"

Yellow cake, indeed?

Does the nation really needy a citizenery to shout in sanctimonious unison the prescribed outrage at the Emanuelle Goldstien de`jour? Is that what George, Thomas, Benjamin, Adams (et al) had in mind?

Is that air you’re breathing?

What do we say to all those Iraqis who were killed by our government (that us) without any legal or moral justification? Isn’t that murder?

I would suggest that "devil" is being kind. Search your heart. Something is wrong, and it’s not Chavez or Iran. It’s something much closer. It’s in our government. It’s our complancency - fess up - it’s your descendants - not the nobilities. you need to worry about.

Iran’s president - at a glance - he’s a semitic caracature of a 1930’s Arab cartoon character. Did you hear his news conference? The man is nothing short of amazing. He leaves western journalist and politicos in the dust. All they can do is stammer when he finishes with them. Remember when our leaders were as knowledgable and as engaging?

Chavez - round and brown - but a genius.

These are representatives of smart inudustrious nations that have both felt the lethal yolk of US imperialism.

They sound like they’re willing to let by gones be by gones. They want a fresh start. They’re smart. They’re young. We can’t win.

We would be much better of to have them as friends and everyone can make money and have fun. Why do we allow the mobsters who occupy our houses rob us under cover of our childrens blood - Iraqi childrens blood, Lebanes - and now the screed to murder Iranian children.

Chavez was right. Chavez was being kind. He knows our sensitivities are being tested. Duty awaits us all to protect our constitution. Chavez’s hint at the truth reminds us of our duty as stakeholders. Perhaps this will be the generation that sends tyranny from history - forever.
Written By: Cadavre
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Damn McQ, you attrack moron lefties (Cadavre) like $hite attracks flies.
Written By: matterson
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But do we have to put up with them doing it in Harlem as well?
This is America and one of our greatest strengths is that sometimes we have to listen to opinions we don’t agree with. I am all in favor of having idiots speak in public as much as possible, it reveals them for what they really are.

The great irony here is that Bush would never be allowed to talk directly to the Venezulelan or Iranian people without a propaganda filter, which demonstrates the utter hypocracy of these clowns. Anybody who spoke about Chavez or the Iranian leaders like that on their own soil would be killed.

As the price of oil drops so will the ability of these clowns to cause problems.

Written By: DS
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RE the Irony of the Devil Smeller being able to speak in Harlem.
He doesn’t get it, most of his audience won’t get it, and neither do people
like Cadavre here.
Roll back the clock to the enthusiastic attacks on our ambassador’s motorcade in Chavez’s country.
Fast forward to the media frenzy if that had happened here and Chavez’s comments if it had.

Are you suggesting we overthrow the presidency to protect the Constitution simply because we don’t agree with a sitting president and some of his legal policy?
Do you actually live anywhere inside the territory encompassed by the United States?
We have a Congress and Senate too, and a judiciary as well that help run the country.
Let me know when the Venezuelan versions of those contradict Hug-oh the way
ours do Bush at times, I’m sure the feathers flying will be entertaining.
Let me know when Hug-oh allows a foreign dignitary to come onto Venezuelan soil, call him fart-breath and then wander around the streets of Caracas without getting attacked afterwards.

Bananna Republic, we’re not.
Written By: looker
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C’mon kids - Cadavre, where are you?
You might want to defend Hug-oh against this scurrilous accusation.
Written By: looker
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Face it, you know Chavez is right, hence the applause he received at the UN and the admiration he has world wide after exposing the war criminal for what he is!
Written By: Bob smith
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reality exist one minute after. by this Chavez has proved that is not the instant that matters but the aftermath. we find as well that thief stay together in moments of danger but separate at the moment of safety. Clinton and bush join hands we could say as theft do when they rob the bank, but go separate ways with the loot.
Americans north and south are somewhat an immigrant mixture, they are the same, alike, even if they believe they are different. both colonies of European empires and both populated by more or less the same people. exceptions do exist but they are very few. Chavez however has not invaded any nation, has not killed anyone and has not incite any rebellions coup d’etat or committed any crimes. however we cannot say the same about Clinton Bush and the American administration .
words in this case cannot be place on the same scale as actions. there is no restriction of liberties in Venezuela neither the government controls passports and phone numbers. however he is labeled as a dictator. and Washington as a democracy. Americans exist on fear controlled by the government and cannot have a say without being interrogated. they claim to be at war. but they have being at war for the past century. and in the past phones were not tap neither there was a need for a microchip on your passport.
Pinochet is not a fiction of the imagination he is a Washington sibling. therefore reality has a twisted fact were objective and subjective do not exist as separate entities they are just fiction.
and a confuse reality does spring from this lack of perception.

Written By: alfredo bremont
Some people were telling me that Democrats had a backbone. Clearly they were wrong. They are just more of the same.

It is refreshing to see someone say it like it is. Hopefully, a few people will read a bit of Chomsky and maybe the sleeping voters (and non-voters) of the US will start taking some action.

Even if I didn’t agree with Chavez, it is so refreshing to see someone willing to speak his mind. I know so many that have an assortment of excuses why they are afraid to speak out. Not just politicians but ordinary people who have little but fear they will have less if they speak up.
Written By: fyl
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This forum is solid democracy at hand.. let us all speak our beliefs and ideas freely and enjoy it because most of us have no idea what it is like not to be able to do so. I have seen it.. I have travelled around this planet and have seen systems in which citizens have to censor themselves. As a staunch republican here, I want you all to remember it is our duty to preserve the real freedoms of this country and our constitution. Do not trust any president or any party not even your own...only trust party ideals and our constitution. If you are trully happy about the job Bush has done.. I dont know what kind of republican you are... not my kind. Don’t be afraid to speak up and do not let the comments of another president spark any thought about our country... Our president is only temporary , our constitution we must preserve in order for our children to have decent lives in the future. step slow and think before you start bashing democrats with useless dumb rhetoric, instead defend our republican beliefs with concrete examples. Our party is divided right now because we have more morons than I ever remember. We are the right and let’s be right about everything we say, leave the dumb conspiracy comments for others to use.

thank you.
Written By: m s
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Ah! poor little babies,some one out of the neighbor hood has insulted your Daddy with the Truth.
And you’re all upset,you didnt think anyone noticed that your Daddy was a bully and a coward,and stupid
to boot. You did’nt think anyone would notice that
daddy was a liar,crass,undeveloped emotionally, and intellectually retarded,and the only reason he got the job was because his Daddy had connections in high places and in the board rooms of corporate America.Poor babies you are confusing the office for the Man,the Office might demand respect in some sick patriotic fantasy, but the Man does not inherit this respect untill he earns it. Sorry, your Daddy screwed up,he never learned to think for himself,so he walks around like a big shot while every is em-bare-assed to know him. Poor baby’s got a Daddy that doesnt care who lives or dies as long as he looks good and no one finds him out.The pathetic thing is,is that it took a non-American to have the courage to say what everyone is thinking.. Go Hugo tell it like it is !!!
Written By: Marcus Ramirez
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As a registered Independant. I realized a few years ago I could not count on carreer politions. Hugo did not critize Americans he critized President Bush, Period. What are the Democrates affraid of? I could understand silence, But ridicule Hugo? Ummm?. The corporate machine is alive and well. Please don’t say or do anything to disrupt it. After all, Remember what happened to Bobby Kennedy?. Hugo is "OF The People, By The People". Can we really say that about our president.
Written By: Jimi
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Hugo is "OF The People, By The People".
Keep telling yourself that Jimmi, it makes all he has to say much easier to swallow.

Oh, and never mind the man behind the curtain.
Written By: McQ
I don’t think the similarity of argument between what puked up at the U.N. the other day, and what the Democrats of been pumping out for the last several years, can be so lightly ignored. Chavez, for all the world, sounded like he was reading from the DNC talking points.

I submit that the only difference between Hugo Chavez and the Democrats here in the ’States, is that Chavez is willing to admit publicly that he’s anti American, and a communist. The Democrats haven’t gotten quite so honest just yet.

Wherein lies the core of the reaction of Pelosi, Rangel and company. They know full well that delivered as showbiz gave it, those viewpoints are not going to sell. And if the American people see the .....similarlity of argument, they’ll be tarred with Chavez going into November.

Thus, the panic evident in their response.
Written By: Bithead

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