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Will Chavez be taken more seriously now?
Posted by: mcq on Friday, September 22, 2006

A little follow-up on Hugo Chavez. It should be remembered that while he's long on complaining about the US being "afraid of the truth" it is Chavez who's actually implemented law to shield himself from it:
Chavez has said the United States is "afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices," yet Chavez has suffocated all dissent in his own backyard. Beyond rewriting the Constitution to bolster his legal power, he's passed a law banning "the use of language deemed to be insulting to the President of the Republic."

Indeed, any expression of dissent, public or in private, against any public official is punishable with prison.
Chavez is such a caricature of a tin-pot dictator that studying him is instructive. He's Manuel Noriaga with oil. The same tough talk, the same inflated ego, the same attempt to subvert democracy toward totalitarian one-man rule. And the same attempt to use an outside entity to focus the enmity of his citizens away from the problems he can't, won't or really has no desire to address.

The difference between Chavez and Noriega, however, is the money available to Chavez through oil sales. It fuels his delusions of grandeur to a much greater extent that Noriega was ever able to dream about. Chavez, consequently, has taking his socialistic version of nationalism to a new level, attempting what many in the past have attempted, that is cobbling together an economic bloc which will rival the existing economies in the West.

He's attempting it through the 118 members of the non-aligned nation’s movement. This bloc isn't new. It is an outgrowth of the 1955 Bandung Conference in which "Asian and African states met to find common ground and agreement for future cooperation, and proclaimed anti-colonialism and neutrality between East and West power blocs." It was founded by India's Jawaharlal Nehru, Ghana's Prime Minister Kwame Nkrumah, Egypt's president Gamal Abdel Nasser, Indonesia's president Achmed Sukarno, and Yugoslavia's president Tito.

In the '60s through the '80s, during the Cold War, members of the movement were often courted by the two competing superpowers. By hanging together as a bloc and remaining nominally neutral, the non-aligned states were able to increase their status in institutions like the UN and monetarily with aid from the superpowers. But they were never really able to rival the superpowers.

With the demise of the USSR and the rise of the US as the sole superpower, the dynamic changed. While two competing superpowers existed, it was best for the non-aligned states to remain neutral. But now, apparently, Chavez feels there is nothing to be gained by remaining a neutral economic bloc and currying favor with the US. In fact, just the opposite seems to be the strategy he favors

I can't help but believe that Chavez really does consider himself to be the Simon Bolivar of the third world (from which most of the non-aligned nations come). He sees the non-aligned nation movement as his vehicle to international power. More and more his focus has turned away from his native Venezuela and toward the world at large. On his latest "world tour", he's courted many states who, if not hostile to the US, aren't particularly friendly. There is, of course, a method to his madness.

Chavez is convinced he's found a way to make socialism work economically. He's also banking on the tradition of fighting "imperialism", a founding principle of the non-aligned nation movement, as a means of him obtaining the unofficial leadership of that bloc. His target, then, is naturally the sole remaining superpower. And US actions within the WoT work extremely well for him when identifying the "imperialist".

Spreading his oil money around while proclaiming his socialist economic plan (and letting the more unsophisticated among the non-aligned nations believe that revenue is a result of Chavez's economic policies) Chavez sees an opportunity to become a dominant figure in world politics. The US is a useful foil.

Chavez knows, especially now, that anti-American, anti-imperialist rhetoric is wildly popular among the bloc he seeks to dominate. And, in reality, it is pretty much risk free. The international visibility it gives him, in his quest for power is invaluable. It should be noted that those still sitting in the UN for his speech were predominantly members of that bloc he hopes to lead. And they loved him.

His problem, however, is anti-American rhetoric and spreading his money around won't sustain him forever. Nor will ignoring problems in Venezuela in order to seek international power. Oil money certainly gives him options other power seekers haven't had in the past, but it won't last forever. We've seen other states with vast, but poorly managed natural resources, founder in the end.

Chavez has embarked on an ambitious and risky quest to become a mover and shaker in international politics. Thus far, his rhetoric has been mostly annoying and his activities mostly under the radar screen of the US. But his UN speech just raised his visibility tremendously. It is one thing to address a crowd in Caracas and denigrate the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. It is another to do so on an international stage at the UN.

Look for Chavez to be taken a little more seriously by the US now. He's crossed the rhetorical Rubicon and I don't believe the US will ignore him any longer. The actions and activities used against him most likely won't be overt, but there are numerous ways and means available to the US to make his political life more and more difficult.

With his speech in the UN, Hugo Chavez moved himself into a different "threat category" than that which he previously occupied. And while he may think he can continue to buy the support of the non-aligned nations with his oil revenues, he may find himself in a bidding war he didn't want. He may also find out his pockets aren't as deep as those of the nation on which he has focused all his enmity.

In the big scheme of international power politics, I think Hugo Chavez just peaked.
 
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Compare Chavez to Noriega if you will, but I think the unpopularity of the United States on the world stage is all working with Chavez. I couldnt disagree more on the point you made about Chavez peaking. This was just the beginning of his visability in the media, other presidents that do not recieve much aid from the U.S will also realize that they too can join the non-aligned in an acrimonious manner. The Arab League as a whole support Venezuelas bid for a seat on the security council. That is a large group of nations who have deep pockets as well, combine them with the ultra liberal nations in Europe and South America and you could very well see another exponential Che Guevara revolution. My advice to Bush would be to stop thinking he owns the world, he must compromise and leave his pride at home when he represents the pride of the people of the United States.
 
Written By: Lucas Rokosz
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By the way in your article you misspelled Noriega, that just shows how much you know about latin america, or the policies or ability to compare a drug running dictator with a social revolutionary.
 
Written By: Lucas Rokosz
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By the way in your article you misspelled Noriega, that just shows how much you know about latin america
He spelled it "Noriaga" once and "Noriega" twice. Obviously the first was a typo.

You misspelled a few words yourself, Dr. Grammar. Since spelling ability = knowledge of political science, I guess you don’t know much yourself.
see another exponential Che Guevara revolution
So we should expect hundreds of execution of political dissidents? Thanks for the heads-up.
 
Written By: JWG
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By the way in your article you misspelled Noriega, that just shows how much you know about latin america, or the policies or ability to compare a drug running dictator with a social revolutionary.
The only difference between those 2 yoyo’s is where they are getting their money from.

My advice to Bush would be to stop thinking he owns the world
We’ll be sure to make sure he gets your advice. I’m sure it will be helpful.
 
Written By: meagain
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The Arab League as a whole support Venezuelas bid for a seat on the security council. That is a large group of nations who have deep pockets as well
Hmmm...maybe then we won’t have to send foreign aid to them in the amount of over 2 Billion every year (not including Iraq)!
My advice to Bush would be to stop thinking he owns the world
Well, in about two years he’ll be out of power. With that upcoming Che Revolution, Chavez will be in power for a long time, just like Castro....hmmm, kinda like a dictator, no?
 
Written By: JWG
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My advice to Bush would be to stop thinking he owns the world, he must compromise and leave his pride at home when he represents the pride of the people of the United States
Nah.....I don’t think Bush will listen to DNC talking points.
 
Written By: shark
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It’s obvious you are the typical gringo archetype that is "intensely disliked" south of our border starting at Mexico and going all the way down.

You FORGET that Chavez is democratically eleted and enjoys a 92% popularity rating. Bush will never get that kind of popular support here in America.

Chavez OFFERED to be our friend...OFFERED to keep oil prices steady and low, OFFERED to give discount heating oil to the poor in the U.S. at a permanent 40% discount. the only catch?...the money would stay in Veneqzuela and not return to the US treasury to finance Bush’s imperialistic war fantasies....With Chavez stepping in to rescue the Central American country from the World Bank (which was insisting that drug and food costs go highter in return for the loan payment leniency....) Chavez paid off their loan and told the world bank to go to hell...For this Bush and his cronies will probably try assasinating this popular democratically elected leader...and instal a sadamm hussein type to lead Venezuela. BUT...America sure exports a weird brand of democracy these days...

Of course Bush, Cheney and their Big Oil cronies hate Chavez....Chavez stands for social justice and FAIR trade not the free trade where we the citizen/consumers foot the bill for war and disaster profiteers.

Maybe you should consider traveling down to Venezuela and see for yourself the brick homes with computers and internet that have replaced the carbboard homes of the poor? Or the fact that there is health care now for all Venezuelans....unlike here in corporate controlled America.

I suggest you try some travel down in central and south america...rather than relying on Bush propaganda for your research....

Buzz....Buzz....
Mosquito
 
Written By: mosquito
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"... and enjoys a 92% popularity rating. Bush will never get that kind of popular support here in America."

I certainly hope not.

"OFFERED to give discount heating oil to the poor in the U.S. at a permanent 40% discount. the only catch?..."

I am sure that the poor in Venezuela are happy to give their share to the US citizens, who at least have a home, with a heating system to use the oil.

" Chavez paid off their loan"

Once again, I am impressed with the generosity of Venezuela’s poor, who I am sure were consulted on this.

"Maybe you should consider traveling down to Venezuela and see for yourself the brick homes with computers and internet that have replaced the carbboard homes of the poor? Or the fact that there is health care now for all Venezuelans....unlike here in corporate controlled America."

Yeah, we have urban renewal and eminent domain here, too. Too bad he can’t seem to provide health insurance for all.

 
Written By: timactual
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You FORGET that Chavez is democratically eleted
Why is it when US exit polls show Kerry defeating Bush by a slim margin that Leftists are convinced that Bush stole the election. But when exit polls in Venezuala had 59% of the electorate voting to recall Chavez, but he somehow wins by 58%, everything is "democratic"?
 
Written By: JWG
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Maybe you should consider traveling down to Venezuela and see for yourself the brick homes with computers and internet that have replaced the carbboard homes of the poor? Or the fact that there is health care now for all Venezuelans....unlike here in corporate controlled America.
Well, would you please make sure that the word gets out in Mexico? The Mexicans coming here seeking a better life must have chosen the wrong destination, hey?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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It’s obvious you are the typical gringo archetype that is "intensely disliked" south of our border starting at Mexico and going all the way down.
Why am I not surprised that a supporter of Chavez would be racist?
You FORGET that Chavez is democratically eleted and enjoys a 92% popularity rating.
How can we FORGET something that never was? Here’s a little about Chavez’s popularity:
Nelson Bocaranda reported in El Universal today that a poll commissioned by Chavez’s campaign team "Comando Miranda" conducted in 7 regions of Venezuela, indicated that should elections be held next Sunday Manuel Rosales would get 72.1% of the vote, and Hugo Chavez would get 17.4%.
I’ll be back later with much to say about Venezuela’s plummeting living standards. Stay tuned!
 
Written By: Jordan
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It’s obvious you are the typical gringo archetype that is "intensely disliked" south of our border starting at Mexico and going all the way down.
Way to paint with a broad brush ’mosquito’. It’s always helpful when knuckleheads like you discredit yourselves from the get go. Not that it matters to you, but I have traveled extensively throughout South and Central America. Even married a REAL southern girl from Brazil. Have lots of friends and family south of the border. Love ’em all and am loved in return. Good stuff. You should try it some time.

Here’s a hint though... generally speaking, anyone who has an approval rating consistently in the 90’s... definitely a dictator. 70’s and 80’s? Probably a good leader in charge during good economic times. Up in the 90’s? Yeah, the opposition is either rotting in jail or pushing up daisies.

 
Written By: meagain
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that Chavez is democratically eleted and enjoys a 92% popularity rating

Chavez OFFERED to be our friend...OFFERED to keep oil prices steady and low, OFFERED to give discount heating oil to the poor in the U.S. at a permanent 40% discount

....With Chavez stepping in to rescue the Central American country from the World Bank (which was insisting that drug and food costs go highter in return for the loan payment leniency....) Chavez paid off their loan and told the world bank to go to hell

Chavez stands for social justice and FAIR trade not the free trade where we the citizen/consumers foot the bill for war and disaster profiteers.

Maybe you should consider traveling down to Venezuela and see for yourself the brick homes with computers and internet that have replaced the carbboard homes of the poor? Or the fact that there is health care now for all Venezuelans

Forget giving him a seat on the Security Council, lets CANNONIZE HIM! Lets hear it for Santo Hugo de Venezuela!!!

 
Written By: shark
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Here’s a hint though... generally speaking, anyone who has an approval rating consistently in the 90’s... definitely a dictator. 70’s and 80’s? Probably a good leader in charge during good economic times. Up in the 90’s? Yeah, the opposition is either rotting in jail or pushing up daisies.
Either that or he’s the first radical leader in a long time to promote the interests of the majority of the people, rather than preserving the interests of a fantastically privileged hereditary elite ?
 
Written By: Blewyn
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Meagain, its easy to say that the only difference between Noriega and Chavez is where they get their money, but I would like to hear you make a few valid arguments on the similarities between the two. I think you boneheads forget that on the internet you cant talk louder than your counterparts, so you actually have to make a valid point to win a discussion. Thats why Sean Hannity stays on the radio, he couldnt hold it down on a blog.
 
Written By: Lucas Rokosz
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Your post by the all reputable "NEW YORK POST" contains a number of omissions, such as any mention of just HOW Chavez’s is "suffocating all dissent" in Venezuela? Changing Venezuela’s constitution actually made the government MORE, not less democratic... so umm... yeah... please tell me WHERE this suffocation is and how it works. OK? Thanks
 
Written By: Rodrigo Blanco
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Either that or he’s the first radical leader in a long time to promote the interests of the majority of the people...
Funny - a majority is one thing. 50.01% is a majority. I was questioning poll #’s that consistently run in the 90’s. I believe it is true that in a perfect world, you can have 80% of the people happy with you, 10% will still hate you and 10% won’t care. And we all know it ain’t a perfect world.

And if his approval ratings are so high, how come the vote polling is coming in so low?

http://www.miami.com/mld/elnuevo/news/world/americas/15509367.htm
 
Written By: meagain
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You pro-Chavez people should actually read this blog more. Chavez has been covered in the past, and many of your questions such as how has Chavez made Venezuela less democratic can be found right here, here, and here to name a few.

Seriously, take a search, there’s lots to learn.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Either that or he’s the first radical leader in a long time to promote the interests of the majority of the people, rather than preserving the interests of a fantastically privileged hereditary elite
-Nah....
 
Written By: shark
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Thats why Sean Hannity stays on the radio, he couldnt hold it down on a blog.
Silly me, I figured Hannity stays on the radio because there’s much more money and popularity to be had there as opposed to blogging (no offense to QandO staff!)

If you can’t grasp this simple principle why should I take the rest of what you say seriously?
 
Written By: shark
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You pro-Chavez people should actually read this blog more. Chavez has been covered in the past, and many of your questions such as how has Chavez made Venezuela less democratic can be found right here, here, and here to name a few.
Thanks ChrisB - I was gonna jump back and do something similar but you beat me to it. I had to... drum roll... WORK like the capitalist pig that I am :)
 
Written By: meagain
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Even according to the stats which make Chavez look the best, 33.9% of Venezuela’s population lives in poverty. These numbers come from the National Institute for Statistics (INE), which is part of the Venezuelan government. But wait, what’s this?!
But we can look back at the origins of this magical improvement. The current head of INE, Elias Eljuri, was named to his position by Hugo Chavez when his predecessor was fired for giving out “bad” numbers for poverty. Chavez, in his usual know-it-all style, said something like what follows, during one of his Alo Presidentes in early 2005:

“I have no doubts that the methods used by INE to measure poverty are not right. They measure our reality using neo-liberal ideas, as if no revolution was taking place” (or something very similar)
Surely, a third world dictator wouldn’t manipulate the numbers?! And useful idiots here wouldn’t accept them at face value? Perish the thought!

What about the economy? Here’s what the Latin Business Chronicle has to say:
Venezuela managed to drop a whopping 20 places on the ranking, ending in 164th place of 175 countries worldwide. That means Venezuela is now a worse place for doing business than countries like Afghanistan and Burkina Faso, according to the World Bank.

Categories where Venezuela worsened its score were trading across borders (the only country worldwide to do so), registering property (one of four countries worldwide that did so) and getting credit (one of three countries worldwide).
At least the people of Venezuela know what’s going on:
Venezuelans in their millions saw how this rigged setup was working and last December 2, decided to stay away from the election altogether, for an 82% rate of abstention, according to Sumate.

No electoral observers have signed on to this election, none. Nobody wants to be part of calling an obvious electoral travesty, an election to be called ‘Chavez Wins.’
Here’s what Chavez thinks of free speech:
During the delivery of Russian AK-103 assault rifles to Venezuela, President Hugo Chávez said he has ordered the revision of concessions the Venezuelan State granted to television operators, which are due in 2007, according to the ruler.

Chávez said that the operators do whatever they want in the name of "a supposed freedom of speech." "We cannot act in such an irresponsible way, we cannot continue granting concessions to a small group of people for them to operate TV channels in the radio-electric space that belongs to the State -that is, to the people- and use it against ourselves, right under our very nose. I don’t give a damn about the opinion of world’s oligarchies. I care about my country’s fate."
Chavez has begun harassing privately owned media outlets who don’t tow the party line. And a number of dissenting media personalities have died under questionable circumstances since the harassment began. This certainly doesn’t surprise me, since left-wingers here were ready to revoke ABC’s broadcasting license because they were being mean to their hero, Bill Clinton.

Also, upon seizing power Chavez pretty much disbanded the police and replaced them with his cronies. Here’s how they’re doing:
According to official figures 68,926 Venezuelan were killed by common criminals or in violent confrontation with the police since Chávez took over in 1998. Compare that to the 23,700 killed in the seven years prior to Chávez being elected the first time and nobody can even begin to blame the current levels of homicides to the previous Governments or the 40 terrible years of the IVth.

[...]

more Venezuelans have died from homicides since Chávez took over, than people on both sides have died in the Iraqi war (63 thousand ), or the war in Afghanistan (33 thousand) or the war in Chechnya (50 thousand) or proportionately even the armed war in Colombia (73 thousand in the last ten years)
Yes, we can see that Hugo "El Diablo" Chavez has really improved the lot of the average Venezuelan. Mosquito, I wholeheartedly encourage you to move there and bask in the warm glow that is Chavismo.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Thanks for the info Jordan.

Very interesting. Makes me appreciate what an absolute douche Carter actually is.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Looks like the Chaveintologists showed up...

Kinda sad that Chaves has to cozy up to the worst tyrnats in the world. Unless of course the leaders of Syria and Iran are your role models...

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Chavez may talk and act like a clown, but he is becoming a dangerous clown. Our enemies are sprouting up like mushrooms.
That’s why I believe that the bluster and arrogance of this administration are equally dangerous.
What Chavez and Iran and the Arab countries are all saying is that they don’t want to be treated like pebbles in the path of US interests. It has a lot to do with giving respect as well as demanding it. If we want to be respected on the world stage, we have to earn that respect. By continuously preaching to others what they should do, we demean them. A lesson we learn in child-rearing is that it’s a bad idea to humiliate a child in public; it’s better to do the chastizing in private, or the child might well rebel against the humiliation, and ignore the cause for the chastizement. Among adults, this is called diplomacy, an art form forgotten by the administration.
You don’t have to change goals, nor do you have to change the message. But you do have to be careful how you deliver the message.
In this context, it’s vitally important that we not lose our moral compass. When attacked at the UN or elsewhere, our position is much stronger if the audience has good reason not to take the accusations seriously. These days, our reputation is very low, and the Chavez’s of the world feed off of that.

An example: it was a huge diplomatic blunder re the Israeli-Lebanon war for Condi to announce at the beginning that this war was going to change the face of the Middle East. What the Arab countries and Iran heard in that message was: here come the Americans to do here what they did in Iraq. We could back the Israelis without an overt statement of this thigh-faluting intent. It would also have saved us embarrassement when the war back-fired.
Diplomacy matters. And keeping our noses clean in our own action matters as much.
 
Written By: Laime
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That’s why I believe that the bluster and arrogance of this administration are equally dangerous.
You keep talking about bluster and arrogance, and how Bush has insulted the world, but you never seem to come up with any concrete examples.

What I have seen in the last five years is an administration which (even though it made some mistakes) tried to explain to and cajole those whom we thought were allies into realizing what a colossal problem world wide terrorism had become.

Many of those so called Allies are the ones who did all the insulting. Why? well some of them gain in the polls when they engage in gratuitous USA bashing, and some of them gained actual money from trading with dictators and regimes which want to destroy them.

From what I have seen the US administration has acted very deliberately and soberly (even if you don’t agree with their actions). And it is the French, Germans, and others who have acted foolishly and childish.
 
Written By: kyle N
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What Chavez and Iran and the Arab countries are all saying is that they don’t want to be treated like pebbles in the path of US interests. It has a lot to do with giving respect as well as demanding it.
Yes, we should respect a holocaust denier who sponsors conferences with quaint titles such as "A World Without Israel," and whose government persecutes its own people. If only we’d shown that brawler, Hitler some respect too.
 
Written By: Jordan
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"Among adults, this is called diplomacy, an art form forgotten by the administration."

Is this diplomacy anything like the 10 years of f*ck*ng around the UN and the rest of the world (including the US) did with Saddam; constantly negotiating, asking, and warning without doing anything significant to put an end to his reign of terror?

What utopian fantasy land do you live in Laime? Not everyone is amenable to diplomacy. It’s the socialist pipe dream that everyone is willing to sit down over coffee and just have a good talk. On second thought you’re probably right. Chavez, Saddam, Osama, and their ilk all probably would sit down for coffee, and then when you’re done, kill you.

 
Written By: Unknown
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As a Venezuelan Citizen,the only thing that I can tell to all of you writers and readers of this Blog is please do not just hear what chavez says or what everybody is saying about him... See and hear through the venezuela news, any news, read them, see the poverty, the sadness in the people eyes, the children´s dying of illnesses that we suppress a lot of years from now. See how a country rich enough to be a paradise is everyday walking directly to a civil war just because of one man... Hugo Chavez...

The sower of hates toward everybody and against everybody

Como Ciudadano Venezolano, lo único que yo les pediría a todos los escritores y lectores de este Blog es que por favor no solo se limiten a escuchar lo que dice Hugo Chavez o lo que todo el mundo dice de Hugo Chavez. Vean, y escuchen atravez de las periódicos de Venezuela, cualquier periódico. Leanlos, vean la pobreza, la tristeza en los ojos de la gente, los niños que estan muriendo de enfermedades que habíamos suprimido hace muchos años atras. Vean como un pais suficientemente rico para ser un paraiso, va, cada día más, caminando directamente hacia una guerra civil y todo por un solo hombre: Hugo Chavez, un sembrador de odios hacia todo el mundo y contra todo el mundo.
 
Written By: Carlos Camargo
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As a Venezuelan Citizen,the only thing that I can tell to all of you writers and readers of this Blog is please do not just hear what chavez says or what everybody is saying about him...
We hear you Carlos - and we try to stay on top of what is happening. We wish you the best and hope you have the fortitude to outlast the ’sower of hate’.
 
Written By: meagain
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Latest opinion polls in Venezueala put Chavez at 50-70% Your Rosalez hightest poll rating was 37%....I’ll put money down that Chavez wins.

PLUS...Pre-Chavez Due to 40 years of a wealthy elite ruling Venezuela 80% of the population of a once propsperous nation were poor.....

Chavez has instituted state of the art electronic voting machines that are VERIFIABLE (unlike our awful system) and they send mobile units throughout the country to register citizens and give then identification cards....more Venezuelans are registered to vote under Chavez then under the previous government.

The Wall Street Journal is rampantly anti-Chavez and joins with the Bush administraton pushing for Guatemala to be the UN representative instead of Venezuela. Our "puppets" in Guatemala have a horrible human rights record...is anyone surprised that we are supporting a Saddam Hussein type of government in Guatemala.

When will the GRINGOS in the United States do some serious research?
Thank heavens I’m able to travel down south....though at first folks think I’m a gringo...after we get to talking they understand that I’m not down there trying to overthrow the folks they want in office nor am I trying to rip them off to make a few white American men richer.....

Stop promoting the neo-liberalism that the South Americans despice...try to be a good neighbor!

Chavez is not considered a danger in the world. The world considers Bush to be the greatest threat to world peace....


If you insist on living in Bush world so be it.....I prefer reality. If you want to join me here are a few links:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=10620

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=10479

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=10958

I rarely see others backing up their words with any reliable sources....

Buzz...Buzz

Mosquito
 
Written By: mosquito
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All those making comments in favor of Chavez, thinking that he is great because he talks like a religious preacher, Do not know what they are talking about. Do not know of the abuses oh him and his party camarades. Have not seen in person what he has done to Venezuela’s economy. He has destroyed society, relationships, education. Wants to turn Venezuela into a communist country. He has changed the constitution on his favor. He surrounded himself by a bunch of corrupts, who 7 years ago did not even had a car and now live in the most expensive villages of Caracas.

Infrastructure is poor , amid all the billions of dollars Venezuela has received. He has economically supported Colombian guerrillas,Cuban economy, Bolivan coka growers, Colombian groups that have kidnapped many venezuelans, finantially supported revolutions in Ecuador, Centra America and Mexico. Had made more than a 100 trips abroad (including 15 to Cuba), has a congress 100% on his favor. He has abused of his power and missused the money of the Venezuelan people. He ordered the killing of protesters, has commited endless abuses to private property...and some who has never lived in Venezuela, worked in Venezuela or have any idea how the country was before Chavez (yes it has problmes and there was corruption but now is a 1000 times worst) has the FACE to come an openly support this demential person. I don;t like Bush either but, before you start talking READ READ READ.

JR
 
Written By: JR
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What Chavez and Iran and the Arab countries are all saying is that they don’t want to be treated like pebbles in the path of US interests
...um, sure. Whatever. I wouldn’t compare your comprehension skills to that of a horse, the horse would be unfairly hurt.

If this is your honest reading of the situation, you have proven that- like most of the left- you’re simply unfit to even engage in this conversation.
 
Written By: Shark
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Among adults, this is called diplomacy, an art form forgotten by the administration.
I gotta tell ya, some people seem to think that "diplomacy" is the be all end all.

It’s time to treat these people for the fetishists that they truly are
 
Written By: Shark
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I gotta tell ya, some people seem to think that "diplomacy" is the be all end all.
Actually, to many on the left, it’s more of a magic word, a talisman that solves all international problems.

The biggest thing they don’t understand is that diplomacy is worthless if it’s not backed up by something else. That something could be good (trade concessions, for example), or bad ("we’ll kick your butts if we don’t find some agreement we can both live with", for example). Or both.

Now it is possible for negotiations to work without threats or force. But that requires both sides to be negotiating in good faith, and in a relationship which both value. However, negotiations between antagonistic parties do not work that way. An antagonistic party may never be willing to move in the direction you want them to go without some threat of force or other highly negative outcome if they don’t. They may be willing to talk forever, especially if they feel time is on their side, but they won’t actually give up anything. They have zero motivation to do so, and plenty of motivation not to.

Steven Den Beste did a great job of discussing this a couple of years back.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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So, as someone said before, if you love him so much...move over there with Chavez and face reality. Is sad, that many of you that have not even being out of wisconsin once, complain so much about the U.S. You do not know how great this country where we are is...even with the errors we have.

 
Written By: JR
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PLUS...Pre-Chavez Due to 40 years of a wealthy elite ruling Venezuela 80% of the population of a once propsperous nation were poor.....
About that:
This is much like the myth created by Chavez in his 1998 Presidential campaign that 80% of Venezuelans lived in poverty, a number never measured by any internal, external, official or private institution, but which Chavez popularized to such an extent that it is regularly quoted, as shown in an earlier post. A lie told a thousand times does indeed become the truth.
I rarely see others backing up their words with any reliable sources....
Ah, the irony. This comes after quoting a statistic that Chavez made up and then posting links to "Znet" a website "committed to social progress" and which features Noam Chomsky among others.
Buzz...Buzz
Man, looks like DDT was reinstated just in time.
 
Written By: Jordan
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Chavez has instituted state of the art electronic voting machines that are VERIFIABLE
Riiiiight. Those are the same machines that Carter wasn’t allowed to verify the machines’ counts to the actual ballots. All Carter’s organization was allowed to do was to verify that the final count from the machines really had Chavez with more votes.

If Bush had control of all the voting machines in the US, how loud would you be screaming? We already know how loud the Left has screamed because some exit pols differed from the actual votes by a small percentage. Yet leftists like you are silent about exit polling that was wrong by almost 40%.
 
Written By: JWG
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Let’s see...Mosquito has blogged on how easy it is to steal an election with a Diebold machine, yet he’s sure that the Chavez referendum was completely legitimate? Hmmm...
 
Written By: JWG
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The opposite of what many of you are hoping for is happening...people are more aware and I for one have just purchased the book even though I’ve already read it, if for no other reason then to help the sales sky rocket.

If people would have mocked President Chavez for "name calling", this would have happened months ago when he began calling the devil Senor Peligroso...President Chavez is daring, flamboyant, and intelligent. When he makes the speeches in Spanish there is art and vibrant energy and you’re totally captivated. But of course the English translation with it’s course phonemes rapes the speech of it’s beauty. In any case I am very proud of President Chavez and for his boldness and hope that his momentum continues to build right upto his winning the UN Coucil Seat next month.

The ladies on THE VIEW who are USA citizens by birth sided with President Chavez and at least you can’t shut them up can you? And even the Rep of Iowa said Bush opened the door to criticism with his unecessary war in Iraq. So if you choose to ignore Bush’s responsibility for the way the world views the USA then that’s your right. But please don’t call President Chavez childish when Mr. Bush was the first one to throw around sayings such as "He’s an evil man." and "That bad man." what’s good for the goose is good for the gander no?

I’m tired of people using the same nonsense of "Why are you here?" and "Go back if you don’t like it." When they have no strong arguement then they throw the immigrant card. It’s old and tired...get over it.

The USA does the same thing in many nations that President Chavez does...in the "third world countries" that they invest millions of dollars in. They don’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts. It’s all politics...I know that.

And before you think I’m jumping on the anti-Bush wagon and swear at me, just be aware that the USA has been behind the turmoil in Haiti for years. They want to control the Caribbean and Latin America so they do their little charity work so that we are indept to them, but don’t think it’s out of the goodness of their hearts. Venezuela last year donated 5, 000 books to Haiti and has done so much with Cuba to aid my country so if you want to claim all this knowledge about how Haitians are hurting my country please factor in the fact that the USA with Dominican Rep were very responsible for the majority the arms which are present in my country, where I was born and bred.

Bush has no right to call anyone else evil for he is corrupt to. I say that President Sadam was minding his own business in the sense that he didn’t come looking for trouble from Bush but was running his own country...

But Bush being the world hero went after the man, even after he said he would cooperate and did so...with the U.N. So if it is okay for Bush to try and save the world from whomever it is that he views as a threat to world peace, then why can’t any other entity on this earth do the same?

Is it Bush’s self-appointed job to rule the world through his twisted sense of democracy and no one else has the right to check him?

You know what is interesting...no matter what is said President Chavez’s speech has generated far more interest and attention then anything The Devil could have said. President Chavez received a long ovation by the entire assembly whereas The Devil only hate polite and brief applause.

And for those who continue to throw their supposed education into this topic, techniquely President Chavez wasn’t on USA soil, that district was seceded to the U.N. to hold the conference...it became INTERNATIONAL soil, therefore Chavez didn’t speak on US turf during that speech but on world turf. Understand? Maybe you should take World Politics 101 all over again...but maybe not because The Devil supposedly graduated from prominent universities and look at the outcome...so what does a peace of paper really mean?

My problem isn’t with The Devil himself but with how his administration has totally dismantled the wonderful relationships the USA once had with the world at large. How being "American" has become an insult in some many parts of the world instead of a badge of honor. How we (all the America’s) have become like pariahs in this fight to see who can come out on top...because the very sovereignty of our countries are being threatened. There’s been so many coups of late it’s unstable everyone! Step foot outside of the USA, everyone hates the very though of an American, if not hate they look down on the title. The once proud nation of peace and goodwill has become a nation of terror and imperialism. That is my gripe, and that is my sorrow.

It’s been over three years and so many people have died, Iraq is far from stable, Hizbollah looks like roses after the USA decided to interfere and back Isreal...Tony Blair (Enland), France and many of US’s allies think twice before standing beside the US. The world has lost faith in the USA and I doubt the Founding Fathers would be pleased with the state of the United States...

Be honest enough to admit those things...the man who should be the image of a government suffers from a desease called alcoholism...that is no lie, and it is a sickness...maybe he’s been sober maybe not. It isn’t something that ever goes away, and you combine that with power, bloodlust, and ignorance it is a dangerous thing. Chavez didn’t say anything untrue. And if it takes a "foreign" man slandering Bush to get US politicians together the same way that it took 911 to make USA’ers band as brothers and sisters (according to Elise) then that speaks very clearly that this nation really isn’t all that united...because it takes far too much to make the people important to the government.
 
Written By: Open Your Eyes
URL: http://groups.myspace.com/chavezsaveus
A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF FAILURE IN DIPLOMACY

It was a huge diplomatic blunder re the Israeli-Lebanon war for Condi to announce at the beginning that this war was going to change the face of the Middle East. What the Arab countries and Iran heard in that message was: here come the Americans to do here what they did in Iraq. We could back the Israelis without an overt statement of this thigh-faluting intent. It would also have saved us embarrassement when the war back-fired.

All you anti-diplomacy types seem to think that diplomacy is simply endless talk. It’s more a matter of how you phrase your message and when
you choose to speak. Certainly, it is also very helpful to remember that in the public square, you are not only preaching to the choir, but you are trying to win converts. It helps to remember your audience when spouting off.


 
Written By: Laime
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Open Your Eyes, that entire illiterate screed was long on assertion and short on fact. Why don’t you give us something that can actually be responded to?
 
Written By: Jordan
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Kyle, Jordan, et.al

I just gave you a concrete example of when US ’diplomacy’ was badly presented.(during war in Lebanon)
Bush saying bluntly that he would go into Pakistan if he needed to, is another.
No matter how lofty our intentions, the Middle Easterners, with the exception of Israel) do not want us there with guns blazing to remake their reality for them. Now, it might be necessary to do it, but why wave a red flag in front of an angry bull prematurely and unnecessarily?
Europe has good reason to fear our rhetoric. If we incite conflict, they will be dragged into it.

This is not an argument about goals or the quality of our foes and allies. This is a criticism of our public posture.
 
Written By: Laime
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What’s truly hysterical is watching this pig try to bait Bush and the US. He doesn’t seem to understand that as long as his victims, er, his "people," can’t successfully take to the sea on truck innertubes or inflated trash bags to escape his miserable little junta and actually make it to Miami, Americans couldn’t care less about him. He can take Venezuela right back to the stone age like Fidel has done to Cuba and no one here would give a rat’s ass. The Soviet era is over, and without a big scary patron, these tinpot a**holes just don’t rate.

If there’s are any Venezuelans who care about their country, they will shoot this pig at the first opportunity. It’s obvious he will never leave office voluntarily.

yours/
peter.
 
Written By: Peter Jackson
URL: http://www.liberalcapitalist.com
You people who condemn Chavez probably miss the good old days of the Caracazo, the 1989 massacre by Carlos Andres Perez on behalf of the IMF and austerity measures imposed on this oil-rich country. More were probably killed in the Caracazo then at Tiananmen, but who has heard of the Caracazo?

Interesting that Israel seems to be the alpha and the omega of all arguments concerning world leaders. A world leader is worthy or unworthy depending on his or her attitude towards Israel, a state founded on ethnic cleansing and activities that would have shocked Radovan Karadzic. A state that is so depraved that it attacks Gaza schoolchildren in something it calls "Operation Locked Kindergarten".

Chavez is bringing democracy in Latin America. Before Chavez, the media cheerfully informed everyone how there was no alternative in Latin America, "free-market" technocrats were the only option, FTAA was inevitable, etc. Meanwhile, there was meltdown after meltdown, disaster after disaster. Now there’s a choice because Chavez is proving that it is possible to defy the hegemon. Chavez also provides financial assistance to those targeted.

For example, some countries in the IMF trap were bailed out by Venezuela and this angered those who set the trap. After all, the big payoff was to come. They were to own the trapped country, and it got away thanks to Chavez.

For years in Nicaragua, people voted against Ortega not because they liked the right-wing opposition, but because of fear. Fear that aid would be cut off from the US, fear that remittances on which they were forced into dependency would be restricted, fear of being alone to face the monster. Now, Chavez is showing that they would not be alone, so people can actually vote for what they want and not out of fear of punishment if they vote the wrong way.

Punishing people who vote the wrong way comes naturally to the Western powers as is shown in the shameful case of occupied Palestine.

Chavez has brought democracy to the region. He truly is a liberator.
 
Written By: R
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You people who condemn Chavez probably miss the good old days of the Caracazo, the 1989 massacre by Carlos Andres Perez on behalf of the IMF and austerity measures imposed on this oil-rich country. More were probably killed in the Caracazo then at Tiananmen, but who has heard of the Caracazo?
Actually no.

We just think Chavez is a totalitarian putz.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
A totalitarian who leads a country where coup plotters got a slap on the wrist and where the mainstream private media is openly hostile to him? Some totalitarianism that is. I suppose that it’s a totalitarianism of freedom..
 
Written By: R
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A totalitarian who leads a country where coup plotters got a slap on the wrist and where the mainstream private media is openly hostile to him? Some totalitarianism that is. I suppose that it’s a totalitarianism of freedom..
Look ... we’ve been there and done this.

No sale.

Do your homework before commenting, ok?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Let’s see, Venevision is still run by Gustavo Cisneros, who openly collaborated with the coup of 2002. No forceable change in ownership at all. It was against Chavez during the "recall" farce.
 
Written By: R
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Someone said;

Is this diplomacy anything like the 10 years of f*ck*ng around the UN and the rest of the world (including the US) did with Saddam; constantly negotiating, asking, and warning without doing anything significant to put an end to his reign of terror?

Firstly, it is not the business of the UN to end any "reign of terror", which in the case of Iraq, was far less than the terror going on there now.

Secondly, Iraq had been known to be free of WMD since 1995 since Hussein Kamal admitted to that after defecting, he who was head of the programme.
He revealed that some supporting infrastructure had been hidden and this was quickly dismantled by the inspectorate.

The sanctions should have been lifted then and there and this matter should have been closed then and there. That this did not happen is of great discredit to the UN. The problem was not negotiations, it was the lies told to maintain the sanctions, it was the military aggressions that continued, it was the way the UN was abused by the United States and why? It’s because Saddam, on April 1 1990, stated that "If they attack us, fire will eat half of Israel". The US leaderships, if anything, are religiously devoted to the Biblical claim that "He who blesses them shall be blessed and he who curses them shall be cursed".

Why, you even had a US Senator claiming that 911 was God’s punishment for insufficient devotion to Israel and he was never ridiculed or criticised for that.
 
Written By: R
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Back to Chavez -
I’ve done a little boning up on our past re Venezuela. It seems that the US backed the failed coup against Chavez; there is documentation indicating that we were backing it financially. And what with Rusmsfeld applying the old ’Hitler’ tag to him, you can understand why he is peeved.
That doesn’t make Chacez any more likeable. But it does show that our heavy fisted attempts to manage other countries’ internal affairs for the sake of our own interests backfire time and time again.
It seems we are better at creating enemies than making friends. That shold give us pause.
 
Written By: Laime
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US Senator claiming that 911 was God’s punishment for insufficient devotion to Israel
LIAR!
 
Written By: JWG
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A totalitarian who leads a country where coup plotters got a slap on the wrist and where the mainstream private media is openly hostile to him? Some totalitarianism that is. I suppose that it’s a totalitarianism of freedom..
Are you f*cking kidding me? Apparently you’re forgetting that ten years prior Chavez himself led a coup against the government of Venezuela and failed. Some "totalitarian of freedom."

Speaking of which, you’ve obviously completely lost any moral clue or credibility you may have ever had apologizing for this criminal. Please go away and try to get through the rest of your life without hurting anybody with your totalitarian fetish.

:peter
 
Written By: Peter Jackson
URL: http://www.liberalcapitalist.com
"Will Chavez be taken more seriously now?
Posted by: mcq"

Eventually, any purulent sore should be taken seriously.
 
Written By: timactual
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