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Democratic Dirty Tricks: the Salon Smear of George Allen
Posted by: Jon Henke on Monday, September 25, 2006

UPDATED with new testimony from an African-American teammate of George Allen's.


I'm reprinting a post I wrote over at AllenHQ, because I think it deserves to be seen here, as well. This is yet another in the long line of discredited smears launched by Democrats against Senator Allen.

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Sadly, the Webb campaign is continuing their attempt to make this Virginia Senate race about lies and rumor-mongering, rather than about issues. In Salon today, an anti-tobacco and environmental activist claims Senator Allen "used "N-word" in college".

Let's be clear: as with the previous rumors and lies pushed by the Webb campaign, this is categorically false. Rather than talking about the issues relevant to voters, the Webb campaign is pushing rumors and lies about Senator Allen and his family.

In the proximate case, we've got a story in which one named person claims three main things.
  1. "He used the N-word on a regular basis back then."


  2. "Shelton also told Salon that the future senator gave him the nickname "Wizard," because he shared a last name with [KKK imperial wizard] Robert Shelton..."


  3. "Allen said he came to Virginia because he wanted to play football in a place where 'blacks knew their place,'" said Dr. Ken Shelton, a white radiologist in North Carolina


Fortunately, we have quite a lot of evidence that his story is categorically false — this Salon story is evidence of the Democratic Party growing comfortable with the alleged "Swiftboating" tactics they'd previously decried.

Aside from Salon's own admission that 16 of the 19 people contacted did not remember any evidence of racism from George Allen — in fact, the seven people who knew Allen well during that time period specifically said they "did not believe he held racist views" — we've got statements from a great many former peers of Allen that specifically debunk these charges. Most relevantly:

Shelton lied about the origin of the name "Wizard":
Joe Gieck, 35-year UVA trainer: “I seem to recall that Ken Shelton got the ‘Wizard’ nickname for his pass catching ability and before George Allen came to the University of Virginia.”

George Korte, UVA linebacker '70-'73: "Ken Shelton received his nickname because of his ability as a tight end to magically get open and catch the football not because he shared someone’s last name."

Charlie Hale, UVA center '70-'73: I have always known him by the nickname, ‘Wizard’. I have always thought the name came from his ability to catch passes ... or his ability to somehow get open in the field. Personally I believe that he was a true ‘Wizard’ because he always had the ability to sneak out after curfew and never get caught.”
Shelton lied about Allen using the "n-word":
Doug Jones, UVA defensive back '71-'74 and roomate of Ken Shelton: "I was on the University of Virginia football team with George Allen for the 1972 and 1973 seasons. During that time I never heard George Allen use any racially disparaging word nor did I ever witness or hear about him acting in a racially insensitive manner."

George Korte, UVA linebacker '70-'73: “Contrary to Ken Shelton, I have kept up with George Allen the past thirty-five years. During this time, I have never known or heard him use racial epithets to describe blacks either in public or private. ... George Allen did not use racial epithets or demonstrate racist attitudes towards blacks in the early 1970s.

Charlie Hale, UVA center '70-'73: "“During the 34 years I have known George Allen I have never heard him use racial slurs or derogatory language to describe a person or group of persons."
Shelton lied about Allen's reasons for coming to UVA:
George Korte, UVA linebacker '70-'73: "George came to University of Virginia because his father became the head coach of the Washington Redskins."

Charlie Hale, UVA center '70-'73: "The reason that Senator Allen came to Virginia to play football from UCLA was the fact that he was very close to his father, loved professional football and wanted to be near his family who would be living in Leesburg, Virginia."
Had the Webb campaign or Salon been interested in actual journalism, as opposed to merely repeating a Webb campaign lie, they could have discovered these facts for themselves. Instead, they are doing the dirty tricks of the Webb campaign.


UPDATE:

It turns out that Salon has quite a history of pulling election-year dirty tricks. As NRSC spokesman Dan Ronayne says, Salon has "a history of attacking Republican candidates during election years with preposterous and outlandish charges". Details here.


It's also worth noting that the Webb campaign also has a history of leveling astounding innuendo, spreading false rumors and push-blogging outrageous lies about Senator Allen, as well.

Jon Henke is the New Media Coordinator for the George Allen Senate campaign.

BREAKING:

An African-American teammate of George Allen's has stepped forward to comment on these allegations.
Statement from Rev. Gary Ham, defensive corner on the University of Virginia football team 1969 thru 1973. Rev. Ham was one of the African-American players on the UVA football team at the time:

“Let me say honestly, that I was not a close acquaintance with Senator Allen during our football days at UVA but I do not recall any language or behavior that was racist in nature.

“I have better recollections of Senator Allen when he was the Governor of VA. Although I disagreed with the position which he took on Martin Luther King Day, I believed him to be a man who was open to dialogue with African-Americans and other minority groups. He did much to promote outreach to poor neighborhoods and communities through faith-based initiatives.”
Complete statements are below the fold:
 
Statement from Joe Gieck, trainer for the University of Virginia football team for over 35-years:
“I seem to recall that Ken Shelton got the ‘Wizard’ nickname for his pass catching ability and before George Allen came to the University of Virginia.”
____________________________________________

Statement from Doug Jones, defensive back on the University of Virginia football team 1971 thru 1974 and roomed with Ken Shelton in his second year:
“I was on the University of Virginia football team with George Allen for the 1972 and 1973 seasons. During that time I never heard George Allen use any racially disparaging word nor did I ever witness or hear about him acting in a racially insensitive manner.

“He was a scholar-athlete and a leader. I was proud to be his teammate.”
____________________________________________

Statement from George Korte, linebacker on the University of Virginia football team from 1970 through 1973:
“Contrary to Ken Shelton, I have kept up with George Allen the past thirty-five years. During this time, I have never known or heard him use racial epithets to describe blacks either in public or private.

“Specific items in the article that are not true are as follows:
1. As stated above, George Allen did not use racial epithets or demonstrate racist attitudes towards blacks in the early 1970s.

2. George came to University of Virginia because his father became the head coach of the Washington Redskins. Instead of continuing his undergraduate education at UCLA, he transferred to be closer to his family. He came to University of Virginia to attend one of the top public Universities in the nation not as the article states “because he wanted to play football in a place where ‘blacks knew their place’.

3. Many of the nicknames used to describe the players were not given by George. Mine was Tez. I received this nickname because a coach mispronounced my name as Cortez. This resulted in my nickname given to me from another linebacker. Ken Shelton received his nickname because of his ability as a tight end to magically get open and catch the football not because he shared someone’s last name.

“It appears to me that Kenny Shelton has some deep rooted problems with his self identity and a rather hyper active imagination.”
____________________________________________

Statement from Charlie Hale, center on the University of Virginia football team from 1970 through 1973:
“My name is Charles M. Hale, Jr. and I am writing this to state my personal knowledge of Senator George Allen.

“I received an athletic scholarship and attended the University of Virginia from 1972 till 1977. I was a member of the football team and met George Allen in 1972. During my first year the position I played was center and Senator Allen was a quarterback. Neither Senator Allen nor I were on the starting team and our job was to run the opposition offense for our starting defense to prepare for upcoming games. It was during this time we became close personal friends.

“When I was being recruited by UVA, the head coach Don Lawrence, informed me and my family that we would have a new quarterback, it was the son of Coach George Allen who was going to be taking over as head coach of the Washington Redskins. The reason that Senator Allen came to Virginia to play football from UCLA was the fact that he was very close to his father, loved professional football and wanted to be near his family who would be living in Leesburg, Virginia.

“Senator Allen and I were team mates for a period of two years 1972 and 1973 when he finished undergraduate school and then he attended law school also at UVA. We have maintained a close friendship now for 34 years. In the summer of 1976 we spent 6 weeks together driving and camping across the United States to visit his home and family in California. After graduation from law school at UVA the Senator worked in Abingdon, Virginia as a law clerk, and I lived in Grundy, Virginia we continued to see each other and go hunting.

“In 1988 I returned to UVA for a celebration marking 100 years of football at the school. I had been living in the western US since 1978 and we renewed our friendship. He took me home with him that night where I was to meet his wife Susan. Since that time we have remained close personal friends.

“During the 34 years I have known George Allen I have never heard him use racial slurs or derogatory language to describe a person or group of persons.

“Ken Shelton is a close personal friend of mine for the same period of time I have known Senator Allen. Ken was and still remains an amazing athlete, he is one who contained the ‘complete package’ height, speed, toughness, coupled with an uncanny ability to block, run and catch the football. I lived in the same apartment with him for two years (1973 and 1974) and got to know him very well. I have always known him by the nickname, ‘Wizard’. I have always thought the name came from his ability to catch passes (like the day against the Naval Academy when he caught 3 for touchdowns) or his ability to somehow get open in the field. Personally I believe that he was a true ‘Wizard’ because he always had the ability to sneak out after curfew and never get caught.”
 
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Simply ask is George Allen a Republican? If the answer is "Yes" HE’S A RACIST...and a Sexist and bigoted homophobe...Geeez, it just goes without sayin’....so why do we need this "evidence" stuff? Is the Pope Catholic? I rest my case, so stop all this talk about "smears" he obviously is ONE or he wouldn’t have chosen the Party he did. Reallly this is NOT hard, I’m changing sides.
 
Written By: Joe
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Wow, Joe. I had no idea you felt this way. Is this some new revelation? Or have you had these deep-seated beliefs that ALL Republican’s were racist?

I’ve been reading your comments for some time now. And I’ve never seen anything to lead me to believe that you thought this way.

Please explain.
Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Senator Allen does have some very real, bigotry-related skeletons in his past. There was that little hangman’s noose in his office, and the confederate flag (both on the wall and on his lapel). And, of course, we remember his recent effort to drum up rural voters’ support in SW Virginia by referring to the young Indian-American man as "Macaca." "Welcome to America," I think is what he said to the crowd after calling the lad Macaca. (I loved it, incidentally, how his campaign manager tried to say that Senator Allen got it confused with "Mohawk.") Your charge that Salon is "swiftboating" Allen is pure nonsense. No one has, as yet, proved or disproved these latest reports about Allen’s past. Just because 16 of 19 Allen’s classmates say they cannot recall whether Allen uttered a racist word, or was a racist, doesn’t prove a thing (or does it prove that Shelton’s a lair). For example, remember that John Dean was the sole Nixon aide who broke silence and told the truth about Watergate? All of the rest were lying or covering up. Now, getting back to that so-called "N" word. How many of us (white men) can honestly say that we didn’t hear our white classmates using the "N" word back in the 1960s or 1970s, or use it ourselves? Of course, most of us would deny it today on a stack of bibles. Judging from the other "incidents" surrounding Sen. Allen, I would imagine that most people would tend to think there was a shred of truth to these latest allegations.
 
Written By: Steve
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Haha - looks like your boy George is gonna be out of a job soon!
 
Written By: Buh Bye George
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So Allen never uttered a racist word to the black player on his team that he had very little interaction with!

That seals it for me!

I have no idea if the man is a racist or not, but I suspect at some level, like all of us, he is.

But lets face it, when it comes to charges of racism Allen has created most of the problems himself with both his idiotic Macaca rant, his 64 different excuses for why it wasn’t racist, as well as his affinity for nooses and confederate flags.

Look on the bright side Jon, if it wasn’t for the fact that Allen made a fool of himself over the whole Macaca line he probably wouldn’t have decided that he needed a paid blogger apologist!
 
Written By: Davebo
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Well steve, while it would be technically impossible to prove he never said the N word, we do have a preponderance of evidence that says he did not. Couple that with the only person to make the charge lying about how he got his nickname, and why Allen went to Virginia, and the evidence grows.

And your evidence that he is racist is what? Two symbols (a noose and a conferate flag) that are not obviously racist. If every guy with a conferate flag is racist, does that mean that every guy with a bald head is a nazi?
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Couple that with the only person to make the charge lying about how he got his nickname
Well, lots of folks are being a bit less than honest about what they remember and, more importantly, what relation they have with the senator.

For instance, John quotes Doug Jones, UVA defensive back ’71-’74 and roomate of Ken Shelton but fails to mention that Doug currently serves as the Unit Operations Co-Chair for the Allen campaign in Fairfax County. He has been the Mt. Vernon District GOP Chairman since 2000. Last year he served as the Fairfax County Co- Chair for the Bob McDonnell campaign.

Now Doug isn’t the only one coming forward that has ties to the senator. But it’s certainly one of the most blatant misrepresentations of independance on the subject.
 
Written By: Davebo
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Davebo said:
I have no idea if the man is a racist or not, but I suspect at some level, like all of us, he is.
I presume that "all of us" includes Webb. If we are all racists then isn’t this a non story?
 
Written By: tom scott
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If we are all racists then isn’t this a non story?
I’d have to say, yes it is. Personally I show my racist side the most while driving but that’s another story.

Of course there are varying degrees of racism but I truly do believe we are all racist to some extent.

As I alluded to above, for me the problem isn’t that Allen is or isn’t a racist. It’s in his reaction to the charges stemming from his truly idiotic Macaca rant. It was incredibly amateurish for a person with asperations for the White House.
 
Written By: Davebo
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I’m with Joe. I’m not lost in the subtleties of dialog any longer. Its simple. In my state, the platform of the Republican Party is racist, disempowering to women, doesn’t protect children, opposes American Indian sovereignty, and is anti-education. So, I’m going to judge by the company kept.
 
Written By: kathy
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whats worse, using racial tinged words 27 years ago,{Everybody did it!}
Or lying about it today!!!
My grandmothers a democrat, liberal, lefty, and in 1968 she cheered the tv when King got shot!!!!

I was 12 years old, and thought it was wrong!!!

so George allen, bigot I can live with,
George allen , lying bigot, hes got to go!!!

If Webb wins, remember, he was a good republican till recenly. Very conservative, he will do 80& fine by republicans.Its just Iraq hes against, and that has the heart of the usa at the moment.
Allen, the lying piece of scum, needs to go. Period
we all practice racism, the legal way is to be very selective with who you go to bed with. Its illegal to discriminate other ways..
 
Written By: pvogel
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George Allen’s blanket denials about his behavior in college and high school seem to put him in a box as very specific incidents come to light. Allen seems ready to lie until proven wrong (my Mother was raised a certain way, when Allen knew in August she wasn’t, Macaca is made up, no it means clown, no it means mohawk...). Shelton’s references—Allen searching out a black neighborhood to stick a deerhead in a mailbox—are very specific and not likely to have a wide audience among the peers you are asking.

The deer incident and other items Shelton notes also seem to correlate with the stories told by classmates that Allen would drink too much and try to get people to go with him to, as Allen put it, "go to n*gg*rtown and bash some cars." Allen’s weapon of choice was a baseball bat. Ask enough of Allen’s classmates about that specific language and request—high school, college, lawschool—and you’ll get more specifics. The episode with Shelton wasn’t the only time exibited this behavior. And the confederate flag on his vehicle in high school and college did mean something to Allen.
 
Written By: CAKid
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George Allen’s blanket denials about his behavior in college and high school seem to put him in a box as very specific incidents come to light. Allen seems ready to lie until proven wrong (my Mother was raised a certain way, when Allen knew in August she wasn’t, Macaca is made up, no it means clown, no it means mohawk...). Shelton’s references—Allen searching out a black neighborhood to stick a deerhead in a mailbox—are very specific and not likely to have a wide audience among the peers you are asking.

The deer incident and other items Shelton notes also seem to correlate with the stories told by classmates that Allen would drink too much and try to get people to go with him to, as Allen put it, "go to n*gg*rtown and bash some cars." Allen’s weapon of choice was a baseball bat. Ask enough of Allen’s classmates about that specific language and request—high school, college, lawschool—and you’ll get more specifics. The episode with Shelton wasn’t the only time exibited this behavior. And the confederate flag on his vehicle in high school and college did mean something to Allen.
 
Written By: CAKid
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1) Shelton was the one with the nickname — he presumably has the best recollection of how and when he got it.

2) Shelton is no partisan attack dog — he has voted Democrat, Republican, and Independent, and is not working for the Webb campaign (read the article). Presumably a smear campaign against him will now begin by Allen or his proxies — which is why the OTHER two sources confirming the story insisted on anonymity.

3) Shelton explicity stated that Allen only used the term around white men, so the recollections of black teammates are meaningless since Shelton says they WOULDN’T have heard him use the term.

4) Overall, how many of the people quoted above are either a) black or b) working to get Allen elected? Are any of the testimonies above from white teammates who knew Allen well? They are the only ones who can provide credible evidence Shelton is lying.

It’s only Swift-boating if it’s not true. Most of the photographs, documents, and Kerry’s boatmates confirmed his version of events — only those with personal grudges or political motivations "remembered" things differently.

Ralph
 
Written By: Ralph
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This is what your brain looks like on liberalism:
I’m with Joe. I’m not lost in the subtleties of dialog any longer. Its simple. In my state, the platform of the Republican Party is racist, disempowering to women, doesn’t protect children, opposes American Indian sovereignty, and is anti-education. So, I’m going to judge by the company kept.
Pretty scary, ain’t it?

KATHY, RE: Joe’s post point, this may help:

sar‧casm  /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sahr-kaz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark.

Now let’s use it in a sentence, shall we: Joe was using sarcasm to make a point about how intellectually bankrupt most leftists are.


 
Written By: Come on, Please
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Well, Larry Sabato just said that Allen used the N-word. So there you have it. Allen IS a racist and, now, a liar. Good to see the GOP continuing their proud tradition.
 
Written By: LokiLoki
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It’s only Swift-boating if it’s not true.
How’s that work, you know, considering most of what the Swift Boat vets said was true and all?
 
Written By: McQ
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I wonder if Jon is being paid in Confederate greenbacks.

Sheesh, even Larry Sabato is saying Allen routinely used the N-word at UVa. We have three of Allen’s teammates coming forwar and a former Anthropology grad student saying Allen used the term.

We have the ’macaca’ incident with its ever-evolving explanations, none of which address the fact ’macaca’ is a racist pejorative in his mom’s native tongue.

And the fact Allen was probably the only Southern California teen who wore the stars ’n’ bars.

But...look...over there...Salon is smearing people!!!!
 
Written By: jadegold
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considering most of what the Swift Boat vets said was true and all?

In reality, most of the Swiftboat liars have been exposed as liars.

My personal favorite:
The co-author of the book "Unfit for Command," former swift boat commander John O’Neill said Kerry made up a story about being in Cambodia beyond the legal borders of the Vietnam War in 1968.

O’Neill said no one could cross the border by river and he claimed in an audio tape that his publicist played to CNN that he, himself, had never been to Cambodia either. But in 1971, O’Neill said precisely the opposite to then President Richard Nixon.

O’NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O’NEILL: Yes, sir.
 
Written By: jadegold
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Well jadegold, just whip some more of those "lies" of the SBVFT that have been shown up...
 
Written By: Joe
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"I suspect at some level, like all of us, he is.[racist]"

Speak for yourself.
 
Written By: Unknown
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In reality, most of the Swiftboat liars have been exposed as liars.
Said JadeGold.

Which of course means "disregard".

Always nice to see you Jade. Stop by again when you can’t stay so long.
 
Written By: McQ
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You know a thread is dead when Jadegold pops in.
 
Written By: JWG
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And Larry Sabato JUST decided to come clean, now? After Allen has been both Governor AND a US Senator? Yes, yes, now it all makes sense...
 
Written By: Joe
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O’NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.
OK, I can never resist responding to Jadegold’s lies:

Jadegold, please provide us with the sentences from O’Neill that followed the point at which you conveniently stopped.

Prediction: Jadegold will never answer this question, but will either disappear (thankfully) or evade.
 
Written By: JWG
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Well, Larry Sabato just said that Allen used the N-word
Sheesh, even Larry Sabato is saying Allen routinely used the N-word at UVa.
Where is this comment from Sabato? LokiLoki and Jadegold wouldn’t be lying, right?
 
Written By: JWG
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Why is it that every time I try to follow one of your links to an alledged Webb campaign outrage, I get a pro Allen site? And why does this Allen site not have links to the alledged Webb campaign lies? I only tried a sample, but it seems to me that any smearing being done is being done by you . Can you provide me with a link to an actual Webb campaign lie? And why does the Allen site use the wording "Webb campaign staffers"? Why not just say the Webb campaign? Is that because the Webb campaign is not involved and you are trying to imply that it is?


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"How many of us (white men) can honestly say that we didn’t hear our white classmates using the "N" word back in the 1960s or 1970s, or use it ourselves"

Me, for one. Some used it, and some didn’t. I can remember some of those who didn’t. Believe it or not, not all white folks were rascists.

**********************
"I have no idea if the man is a racist or not, but I suspect at some level, like all of us, he is."

Well, you certainly are.
 
Written By: timactual
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Talk about a meltdown. George Allen makes George Bush look like Napoleon.
 
Written By: william
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From the AP:
Larry J. Sabato, one of Virginia’s most-quoted political science professors and a classmate of Allen’s in the early 1970s, said in a televised interview Monday that Allen used the epithet.

``I’m simply going to stay with what I know is the case and the fact is he did use the n-word, whether he’s denying it or not,’’ Sabato, now director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics, told MSNBC. Sabato would not say whether he had heard Allen say the word, and did not know whether it was true that Allen used the word frequently in college.
Why wouldn’t Sabato say whether or not he’s heard Allen use the term? Why hasn’t Sabato ever mentioned this in the past while covering VA politics?

This seems very fishy.
 
Written By: JWG
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Kind of humorous to see Jon complain about "swiftboating." Where was the outrage when it was about a man’s war record? Nooses, confederate flags, macacca and now the N word. The pattern might just lend credibility to both Dr. Shelton and Larry Sabato. We only have to roll the video tape from weeks ago to see the last time the Senator used race in a bullying manner. I’d like to hear from other teammates and classmates, but I’m inclined to believe a physician from Hendersonville with no apparent incentive to lie than a politician having a terrible two months and fighting for a job he didn’t think he could lose.
 
Written By: Christian
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It’s only fishy to those neo-confederates who keep supporting Allen.

The evidence keeps mounting and the explanations from McQ, JWG, and their fellow klan supporters keeps getting more implausible—if possible.

Jeebus, a picture of Allen in full Klan regalia igniting a cross could surface and quislings like McQ and JWG would claim Allen was merely starting a BBQ in support of the NAACP.
 
Written By: jadegold
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The evidence keeps mounting and the explanations from McQ, JWG, and their fellow klan supporters keeps getting more implausible—if possible.

Jeebus, a picture of Allen in full Klan regalia igniting a cross could surface and quislings like McQ and JWG would claim Allen was merely starting a BBQ in support of the NAACP
.
A) When you produce it, I’ll see
B) When did it become ILLEGAL for a Klansman or former Klansman to serve int he US Senate, or has anyone forgotten the Hoistorian of the Senate and Kleagle Robert Byrd?
 
Written By: Joe
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Joey:

The evidence is there for you to see. You’ll ignore it because you agree with Allen’s bigotry.
 
Written By: jadegold
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Now its three teammates that attest to bigoted remarks. Joe, perhaps its time for Senator Allen to follow Senator Byrd’s example, and apologize for a bigoted past. Of course, judging by your comments about Senator Byrd, you won’t accpet a Senator Allen apology. If you’re consistent anyway.
 
Written By: Christian
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The evidence keeps mounting and the explanations from McQ, JWG, and their fellow klan supporters keeps getting more implausible—if possible.
And what explanation of anything concerning this have I tried to put forward, JadeGold?

Just an example of one will do. I mean other than call your hand about the Swift Boat vets.

I notice you ignored JWG’s challenge, not that anyone who knows you would be surprised by that.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Who do you believe? Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, or Senator John Warner? Senator John Warner is an honorable man, and he does not stand for disparaging those who fought for our country. That’s why he made this statement on the floor of the U.S. Senate. JWG and McQ should learn from him.

"I went to the Pentagon in February 1969 and was there for five years in the Navy secretariat," Warner recalls. "I remember when his Silver Star came through," he adds. "I went back and checked for accuracy, and it was accurate."
 
Written By: Christian
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Jon,

I don’t envy your job at the moment. I suppose you’ve probably already seen this.
 
Written By: Anonymous Liberal
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Call my hand, McQ?

You’re holding nothing—-card-wise, that is.

The Swiftboaters have dishonored themselves; probably the only thing sadder is those who defend them.
 
Written By: jadegold
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Hey, 33% of the country said in polls years later that Saddamn was involved in the 9/11 attacks, so the selective and convenient amnesia about the wild inaccuracy of the Swiftboat claims doesn’t surprise me. Frankly, we’re never going to make headway on it. It’s not worth talking about.

Let’s talk about the Allen campaign.

It would impress me if some - even one - of those conservatives who have been on here tinkering away at the margins of the allegations against Allen
(oh, those teamates were probably paid by the Webb campaign.. oh, we were all racist in 1973... oh.. frickin’ **Larry Sabato**, who’s been neutral for about 10 electoral campaigns in a row, is "fishy")

could stand up, be a man, address the entirety of the claims against Allen - the maccaca slur, the multiple, contradictory explanations of the slur, the admissions by his mother that she was coached into hiding her Jewish background back in the day, the allegations of violence by his own sister - the teamates coming forward with the racist stories - the noose in the office - the picture he had taken in the 80’s with the out-and-out scary white power group-

I want to stand up here and either hear someone say, "I think all of this stuff together is totally invented, a complete liberal smear campaign".

Or else I want to hear them admit, "gee, I don’t know about the details in all of these cases, but considering just how much stuff is coming out, I admit to some doubts about this guy’s character."

I mean, given the amount of trash talked here about the Kennedys for being drunks, McKinney for being ... let’s say rude, on and on and on..

let’s see some intellectual and/or moral consistency. It’s pretty clear that - at minimum - George Allen has quite a checkered past, and he’s been less than honest about explaining it.

 
Written By: glasnost
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Who do you believe? Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, or Senator John Warner?
The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Having actually read the book and then having done independent research into their claims, I found it very easy to figure out who was telling the truth.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
anybody who denies literally EVERYTHING he or she is accused of...is a liar.
 
Written By: geno
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The Swiftboaters have dishonored themselves; probably the only thing sadder is those who defend them.
That’s twice now you’ve claimed this with nothing to back it up and this is twice you’ve been asked to put up or shut up.

So please, do continue.
 
Written By: McQ
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Sadly, the Webb campaign is continuing their attempt to make this Virginia Senate race about lies and rumor-mongering, rather than about issues. In Salon today, an anti-tobacco and environmental activist claims Senator Allen "used "N-word" in college".
Ok, Jon - you clearly imply here that the Webb campaign was somehow responsible for the Salon article.

Are you saying the campaign approved of the article? Paid for it? Collaborated with the author? What exactly is your point here? How in the world is the Webb campaign responsible for the Salon article?

C’mon Jon, where is the evidence?

Jon, Allen’s biggest problem isn’t that he is a racist. It is that he is a liar. Did contact with him infect you too?
 
Written By: mkultra
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**Larry Sabato**, who’s been neutral for about 10 electoral campaigns in a row, is "fishy"
It’s fishy because:

1) he’s been neutral - Allen’s been accused of racism in past elections...why is Sabato claiming the n-word now?

2) "Sabato would not say whether he had heard Allen say the word" - why not? How does he know?
 
Written By: JWG
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I think Allen has a problem and he should lose the election.

Now, I’m waiting for some left wingers to do the same sort of soul searching and decide that Byrd needs to resign as well.
 
Written By: Harun
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I’m waiting for some left wingers to do the same sort of soul searching and decide that Byrd needs to resign as well.
I think the difference would be that Byrd admits to his past and apologizes while Allen is denying the accusations.
 
Written By: JWG
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Hey , listen, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck! Quack, quack!
 
Written By: Bob
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Glasnost,

You are defending McKinney?? Wow, that is disappointing.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Just to make the point, "along the border" and "across the border by river" are not synonymous. And even if your implicit assertion is true, it says nothing about the claims against John "Christmas in Cambodia" Kerry. Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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"You are defending McKinney?? Wow, that is disappointing."
Let’s say he’s d@mning himself with faint condemnation of her.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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"Who do you believe? Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, or Senator John Warner?"

Who do you believe? People who were actually there and knew Kerry, or some paper pusher thousands of miles away in the pentagon?

**********************

" C’mon Jon, where is the evidence?"

Me too.
 
Written By: timactual
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So when is the next clandestine racist meeting? Your republicans lie through your a**holes. Not surprising how everything is crumbling down for you guys. From Bush to George "macaca" Allen to Fox’s Smirk-happy Chris wallace.
 
Written By: Heckuvajob_Brown
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Just to make the point, "along the border" and "across the border by river" are not synonymous.
To be sure. Unfortunately, Swiftboat Liar O’Neill claimed:
O’NEILL (8/22/04): You asked about Cambodia. How do I know he’s not in Cambodia? I was on the same river, George. I was there two months after him. Our patrol area ran to Sa Dec, it was 50 miles from Cambodia. There isn’t any “watery border.” The Mekong River’s like the Mississippi. There were gunboats stationed right up there to stop people from coming. And our boats didn’t go north of, only slightly north of Sa Dec. So it was a made-up story. He’s told it over fifty times, George. That was on the floor of the Senate [in 1986].
It’s difficult to track the lies of Swiftboat Liar O’Neill. we have O’Neill telling his hero, Richard Nixon, that he worked along the border of Cambodia in a Swiftboat. Later, O’Neill claims there is no "watery border" and Swiftboats never came within 50 miles of Cambodia.

The facts are plain; US Swiftboats operated fairly frequently in Cambodia.
 
Written By: Jadegold
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Breaking News...General calls Rumsfeld Incompetent.
Can’t this administration and its followers get anything right.
 
Written By: Heckuvajob_Brown
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The facts are plain; US Swiftboats operated fairly frequently in Cambodia.
’Nuff said. This proves beyond any doubt you are an idiot.
 
Written By: JWG
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It’s difficult to track the lies of Swiftboat Liar O’Neill. we have O’Neill telling his hero, Richard Nixon, that he worked along the border of Cambodia in a Swiftboat. Later, O’Neill claims there is no "watery border" and Swiftboats never came within 50 miles of Cambodia.
He also pointedly talked about the place where Kerry was assigned when he made the claim and not the location where he was later assigned which did have access to the Camboidan border.

But of course, that little fact is inconvenient to your manufactured argument, isn’t it? And I always enjoy watching fallacious rhetoric like poisoning the well practiced so ineptly. Heh ... Nixon. Give it a rest.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Breaking News...General calls Rumsfeld Incompetent.
Breaking?

Same generals, same old song.

You need to keep up.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
why is Sabato claiming the n-word now?

Maybe he himself was never directly asked about George Allen before. People make those kinds of balancing acts about when to talk all the time.

Sabato would not say whether he had heard Allen say the word

I don’t understand this, but it seems contradicted by the quote. I question the paraphrasing of the reporting in this instance. I wouldn’t mind seeing it looked into, but it seems clear what Sabato’s point was.
 
Written By: glasnost
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Republican boombox Fox News know they lack credibility, so they have devised a new approach. "Our veiwers have some questions..." My question is... Jon are you a hitman for the republicans?
 
Written By: Heckuvajob_Brown
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Maybe he himself was never directly asked about George Allen before
But he’s covered and written about Allen’s campaigns for years. He has asked Allen questions as a debate moderator. Surely, Sabato could’ve brought up Allen’s alleged racism before now?
 
Written By: JWG
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"Same generals, same old song.

You need to keep up."

So says Ignorant McQ... another conservative hitman that speaks from his a**hole, but know little about what is really going on.

Breaking News...The General revolting against Rumsfeld the Ruminant is one of the Ruminants most favored Generals - Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff.
 
Written By: Heckuvajob_Brown
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Breaking News...The General revolting against Rumsfeld the Ruminant is one of the Ruminants most favored Generals - Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff.
Heh ... much to my surprise you fall for Slate’s spin.

Geez ... is this the best you have?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
" The General revolting against Rumsfeld the Ruminant"

My dictionary says, of ruminant, "given to or engaged in contemplation: meditative". And perhaps you meant "ruminant’s" instead of "ruminants"?Heckuvajob, indeed.



 
Written By: timactual
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Saboto:

"Sabato told the Virginian-Pilot last night that he knows about Allen’s use of the racial slur from Allen’s classmates: "My sources are former classmates who came to me with stories that matched up," Sabato told the paper. "I never solicited them. They came to me during the past few months.""




The Allen press releaese:

turns all of Allen’s supporters in the parent story are on Allen’s payroll or are the beneficiaries of his largesse (or black, and therefore wouldn’t have heard him use the term):

"One of the teammates in the press release, Doug Jones, is listed on the Virginia Republican Party Web site as the "Unit Operations Co-Chair for the Allen campaign in Fairfax County." When Allen was the governor of Virginia, he appointed a second teammate cited in the press release, Charles M. Hale Jr., to the Virginia Board of Mining Examiners, according to state records. As governor, Allen also gave an appointment to the wife of George Korte, a third teammate in the press release. According to state records, Allen appointed Holly Korte to the Virginia Board of Social Services. And he appointed Joe Gieck, the former trainer, to the Governor’s Commission on Physical Fitness and Sports."

Not very credible witnesses, eh?




 
Written By: Ralph
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References:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/26/us/politics/26allen.html?ref=politics
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/26/allen_football/
 
Written By: Ralph
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"(or black, and therefore wouldn’t have heard him use the term):"

My, how thoughtful of him, not to want to offend the objects of his alledged bigotry.
 
Written By: timactual
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I’m just reiterating Shelton’s charge against Allen.

Shelton explicity stated that Allen only used the term around white men, so the recollections of black teammates do not contradict his claim.
 
Written By: Ralph
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Timactual...
I am glad I made you look up a word in the dictionary; we should get more republican/conservative types like you educated. New word for the day ’PILLOCK’

Breaking News... Bush is ruining the Homeland.
 
Written By: Heckuvajob_Brown
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From Allenhq.com;
"There are simply too many examples to list of Webb campaign staff calling Senator Allen a racist."

How about just one? The link you seem to cite most is "raisingkaine", whatever that is. Is the person who runs that site on the Webb payroll? Is he/she the only "web staff" guilty of smears? I have gone to most of the links you have given, and can find no, 0, nada, instances of the Webb campaign smearing Allen. If I have missed something, please inform me. I am getting a bit irritated, frankly.
I have read some of the comments on the "raisingkaine" link you provided, and it appears to me that the offensive comments you protest are from commenters, much like MK, glasnost, and myself are commenters on this site. Are the comments of MK, glasnost, and myself on this site to be taken as your opinions? If I am in error, please correct me.
 
Written By: timactual
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Or how about this;

You, Jon Henke, are an Allen campaign staff person.
You, Jon Henke, have at least some proprietary interest in this site.
Therefore, the opinions and statements of every nutjob who posts a comment here can be attributed to you, an Allen campaign staff person.
Alen is, therfore, antisemitic, rascist, etc. As are you.
Any comment?

 
Written By: timactual
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