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The Inability to Satirize
Posted by: Dale Franks on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

I found it fascinating that my post yesterday on Lance's tongue-in-cheek blog entry was taken so seriously. The most interesting thing about it was that it highlights the difficulty of even attempting to satirize the actual views of the "progressive Left".

What does it say about the political environment when satire is indistinguishable from the actual views of a significant portion of the polity?

Discuss among yourselves.
 
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What does it say about the political environment when satire is indistinguishable from the actual views of a significant portion of the polity?
It says that we get a two-term president who would drown in the shallow end of the pool. Bush was elected precisely because he didn’t seem to be smart. That Bush was elected exactly because he did not seem to have intellectual curiosity, i.e., he seemed to be immune to new information, makes satire obsolete.

You’re right Dale. As always.
 
Written By: mkultra
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By the way, given the success of Fox News, why isn’t there some kind of right wing equivalent to The Daily Show and the Colbert Report? Why does the Left have a lock on satire on cable television when it comes to politics?

I have a guess I could make. But my guess would involve calling wingers unable to apprecitate satire, So I won’t make it.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Sorry Dale, I am apparently one of the moonbats and I recognized it as satire. Perhaps it’s not that liberals say outrageous things, it’s that conservatives don’t seem to get the joke.

On the other hand, it does seem that any position you can imagine seems to be held by someone, so when you read or hear something totally outrageous, it it is likely to be a actual person’s point of view.

I think the disconnect is that if someone is from the left (or right) side of the political spectrum, and they say something ridiculous and outrageous, some folks on the other side will assign that ridiculous position to EVERYONE of that political persuasion.

I saw this other day on another thread when a conservative claimed that when we were attacked on 9/11 liberals did two things, they asked "Why do they hate us" and said "War is not the answer".

This is false, but perhaps semantically or technically true. By this I mean that yes, there were people that held these positions, and they were liberals, but the vast majority of liberals did not hold these positions. When we invaded Afghanistan, 92% of Americans supported the action. Leaving 8% of which some subset could be the liberals who held the aforementioned position.

So my point is that there are some stupid, crazy, ridiculous people out there, and they all have a point of view, some are left, some are right, but it does not mean that they represent the views of everyone on the left or right.

So go ahead and ridicule the ridiculous from either side and I’ll join you, but when you hear something ridiculous coming from a left winger, and say "How can you be more ridiculous than the leftwing moonbats?"

By the way, we really, really do humor better than conservatives.

Have you seen the Colbert Report?
The Daily Show?
Bill Maher?

George Carlin?

The only actual liberal bias in media is in comedy, because we just have a better sense of humor.

The funniest guy on the right may be Dennis Miller and you have to face it, he’s okay, but he can’t hold a candle, or an audience, compared to the liberal comics.

Though I may give you one huge, huge, and very funny comic, as I’d say that say Jay Leno leans a bit to the right, but even as a righty, he can’t pass up the laughs he can get by talking about George Bush.

Drew Carey is a funny right winger, too bad his consevative comedian association didn’t work out...
Drew Carey closes Conservative Comedians Association

Funny man Drew Carey has reportedly closed the Conservative Comedians Association after only two years of operation. In a press release, the comedian cites ’being the only conservative comedian on Earth’ for the close.
"It took a lot out of him," says long-time friend of Carey, Sam Jackman. "He was wearing too many hats too small for his head: chairman, treasurer, secretary - even caterer. Although he was pretty good at being a caterer."

Critics blame the lack of conservative comedians in the US on IQ. "To be a good comic, you have to be pretty intelligent. That’s where it all falls down for the CCA."

"Although Drew was the only member of the organization until the very end, he really did try to alert fellow comedians to the evils of a higher minimum wage and universal health care," said Jackman. "Eventually, it became clear that all other comedians are just Bolsheviks who like to whine about stupid poor people."

It is believed that the CCA (or, Drew Carey) was until recently involved in secret negotations to secure the membership of Rush Limbaugh, in recognition of a lifetime of service to the ’unintential self-parody’ genre of comedy. Unfortunately for the CCA, Rush didn’t think of himself as funny in the same way everyone else does.

Critics of the club complained that while the idea of a Conservative Comedians Association is pretty funny, it’s a bit odd that Drew Carey ever considered himself a comedian.

"Ha ha ha ha ha ha," laughed at least one prime time comedian, laughing on the condition of anonymity. "Ha hah ha ha," he later added.

The failure of the Conservative Comedians Association to attract members is only the most recent incident in a long string of thwarted attempts by conservatives to attract talented minds.

In the realm of science, for instance, the right-wing has been opposed by every Nobel Prize recipient, most particularly by Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein.

Few are able to account for this phenomena, but researchers believe it has something to do with their high levels of education.

Meanwhile, one critic who has come to Drew Carey’s defense writes, "Carey tries really hard to be original but being the world’s only conservative comedian may be the wrong idea. Maybe he should wear a wacky tie and funny old fashioned glasses instead?"
That was satire for the humor impaired.

By the way conservatives, don’t be sad that you are not good at comedy, you are still very, very funny.

Cap

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic (yeah, that one)
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MK:

You increasingly only make sense to yourself. The fact is, there is a better strain of lefty commenter around here nowadays. You’ve become obsolete.

You could stop with the pointless nonsense and it would not make a bit of difference. Next time, why don’t you let one of your cats type your comment for you and see if you can get a different reaction.

My guess is that the cat will make more sense.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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By the way, given the success of Fox News, why isn’t there some kind of right wing equivalent to The Daily Show and the Colbert Report?
But there is MK... its the MSM, Hollywood, the record industry, and yes, even the Daily show, the Colbert Report, and especially Olbermann’s Countdown.

 
Written By: bains
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Oh, and the Democrat Party, cuz even though we elected a stupid president, we wanted to make sure the dunces were still the minority.
 
Written By: bains
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The Daily show is sort of funny, however, what’s going to happen when a Dem is elected president? Why, the Daily Show will suddenly become "right wing" and make fun of the Dem, no?

Now, for "right wing" funnies how about South Park?
 
Written By: Harun
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You increasingly only make sense to yourself. The fact is, there is a better strain of lefty commenter around here nowadays. You’ve become obsolete.

You could stop with the pointless nonsense and it would not make a bit of difference. Next time, why don’t you let one of your cats type your comment for you and see if you can get a different reaction.

My guess is that the cat will make more sense.
Blah, blah, blah.

You comment is ridiculous. It is fluff. I appreciate active engagement of my arguments, as I try to engage winger arguments.

But you, just like most of the wingers who post here, engage in one-handed typing, if you know what I mean.
 
Written By: mkultra
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By the way, we really, really do humor better than conservatives.

Have you seen the Colbert Report?
The Daily Show?
Bill Maher?
George Carlin?
So conservatives don’t have a sense of humor. They also apparently can’t handle unbiased journalism, scientific research, diplomacy with loathsome despots, whatever else.

The right doesn’t need a sense of humor, the left mocks itself. Key example: The Daily Show. Jon Stewart does goofy noises and grade Z material to the trained seals in his audience which leftists use as example of how brilliant the show is.
 
Written By: Josh
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You all are missing some of the great conservative humorists: on talk radio and on the blogs. I love Scrappleface (a blog). And though I don’t like everything about his style, Rush Limbaugh is very funny. It looks like liberals have more humor on TV and conservatives have more on blogs and radio.

Should we be surprised that different ideologies excel in different media?
 
Written By: Rory Daulton
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It’s not that we dont have a sense of humor. It’s that the democrats come up with so much outlandish crap that you have to wonder whether they actually believe what they are saying and you dont put anything past them just because it doesnt pass the common sense test.

One good example is a picture I saw of the guy selling TShirts at an antiwar rally that said Bush was responsible for the JFK assasination.

 
Written By: retired military
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It’s not that we dont have a sense of humor. It’s that the democrats come up with so much outlandish crap that you have to wonder whether they actually believe what they are saying and you dont put anything past them just because it doesnt pass the common sense test
Seriously. Here are the various memes a great portion of the left has pushed for 6+ years:

1) 2 "stolen elections"
2) War for Halliburton
3) Deliberate lies to lead us into war
4) War for Neocon/Likud conspiracy
5) Bush knew about 9/11
6) Oil prices going up/down because of oilmen conspiracy

And that’s just off the top of my head.

Basically read any list of DNC talking points and all you’ll see is a swamp of imaginary victimizations, conspiracies and cabals.

And MK proves the point, he’s become a satire of himself.

And that’s why they won’t get any power back for the near future despite the wish-headlines in the NYTimes
 
Written By: shark
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Hard right comedians? Very few, but there are quite a few i would consider having a more conservative/traditionalist slant.

Dennis Leary
Carlos Mencia
Southpark guys

To name three I would say are definate traditionalists and somewhat conservative in their views. Mencias ideas on immigrants would make the left yell racism for days.
 
Written By: josh b
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Conservatives don’t need to lampoon the left - you take care of that yourselves every time someone like Nancy Pelosi or Howard Dean opens their mouths.
I mean, how can we compete with you guys? It’s like selling coal in Newcastle.
 
Written By: looker
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Umm... South Park is not hard right. It is an equal opportunity lampooner.
 
Written By: bains
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Now, for "right wing" funnies how about South Park?
Satan: How are you going to get the feeding tube back into Kenny?

Satan’s Minion: We’ll do what we always do, we’ll use the Republicans.
If you think South Park is right wing, then you really, REALLY, don’t get the joke.

You probably think "Team America - World Police" was an action adeventure movie.

Cap

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic (yeah, that one)
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South Park is right/libertarian. If you think anyone on this website supported the Terry Schiavo thing, which that quote was making fun of, then you’re the one not getting it.
 
Written By: kevin r
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I seem to remember someone asking Trey Parker and Matt Stone about their political affiliation. Their paraphrased response was "Well, we hate republicans, but we really fsckin’ hate democrats". I would put them as more middle ground libertarian than anything else, but certainly not liberal like the daily show, colbert report, bill maher, ect...
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Ok shark:
1) 2 "stolen elections"
Ok, not saying 04 was, but the actions by the supreme court in 00 were sketchy. The fact that they specifically stated that "this sets no precedents" (obviously paraphrased) shows just how uncomfortable they were with their decision.

My bigger concerns aren’t with possible past stolen elections, but with future ones. Voting computers with no voter verified paper trail is a huge problem. See Ed Felten’s blog (a Comp Sci Prof at Princton) regarding vulnerabilities in Diebold’s machines. (Check older posts for background.)

2) War for Halliburton
There are many better explinations that this, for the war. Halburton just overcharged and did some other shady things... but I’m willing to bet it’s not more than a lot of government contracting.

3) Deliberate lies to lead us into war
I don’t feel like rehashing this one.

4) War for Neocon/Likud conspiracy
5) Bush knew about 9/11
6) Oil prices going up/down because of oilmen conspiracy
These are definite conspiracy theories... and I can’t think of many who believe them, left or right. Again, as stated above, there are always going to be true fringe groups.
 
Written By: Tito
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I thought I might have a few thoughts on this. Outside of a couple of things put in there to show how ridiculous the meme is, every argument I put in was something I have read or heard, and despite Cap’s thesis, amongst a large group of mainstream liberals. It was certainly unfair, but satire usually is. Interestingly the idea that oil prices were falling due to an attempt to influence the election came up yesterday morning on NPR. A reader at Red State gave this approx. transcript:
When I was listening to NPR this morning, they were interviewing an oil market expert from The Economist. The interviewer asked something along the lines of:
“Some people say the government is manipulating markets to bring gas prices down just before the election. Is there any truth to this? How much can the government move the prices?

Expert: “Not much, if at all.” Then explains a bit about prices having been driven up by fear of things that didn’t happen. Mostly fears of Iran and hurricanes (both of which are things the libs have also been playing up).

Interviewer: “But what about the government buying and selling oil reserves to manipulate prices?”

Expert: “The only country that has the capacity to do that is Saudi Arabia. No other country has enough reserves to effect the market and there’s no indication that Saudi Arabia has tried to manipulate the prices this time.” Then goes on to explain about supply and demand, with China increasing demand and lack of new oil field development limiting supply.

The interviewer seemed to play up the conspiracy theory angle and the expert gave good sound answers that shot it down. I’m not certain if the interviewer really believed the consiracy stuff or was just playing devils advocate.
I would also point out that many liberals and leftists didn’t get the joke either, especially at other sites who do not read my comments or posts often. Some actually defended my premise even after they figured out it was satire. A lot of the reaction either way was due to people only reading parts and being irritated or nodding in agreement without reading closely. It was amusing, but in looking at what people around the web were quoting understandable.

Despite my ideological leanings, which are not conservative by the way for people who have only followed me on an occasional subject here, I am generally not one to attack the left in general and some of my favorite intellectuals are of the left. Rather, I was trying amidst the satire to point out that there were real reasons for the behavior of markets as opposed to swiping at the left. I have heard things like that from some conservatives and even libertarians as well. Some people (maybe most, commenters and e-mailers are not a good gauge of what your readership actually thinks) got the underlying market forces I was pointing to and some of those whose initial reaction was to take it seriously were some pretty sharp people. Once again the reaction here or at my site was more what I expected than what happened at other places or in e-mails because they didn’t know me and often were operating off of partial quotes.

Anyway, I do think it is sad that my satire was so familiar that it hit home to many readers, even those who got it right off, as only slightly askew. I certainly don’t compare myself (in fact, as a rule I stay away from humor other than a few puns because it is not a strength) to someone like Swift, but A Modest Proposal I assume wasn’t condemned because anyone took it seriously as advancing the argument, but because they didn’t like its underlying message or the offensive manner in which he came to it.

Tito,

I don’t think readers were stupid, contra Cap and Mk (who would have known it was a joke immediately because they know who I am) but without any reference they had no reason to believe such views don’t exist, because they do. Many, even if some of the more ridiculous arguments they disagreed with, do accept the central premise that oil companies for various reasons determine the price of oil. This is not a fringe belief (or claim, maybe they don’t believe it) given that the people I refer to in the piece have said that very thing. That is the leadership of the Democratic Party. You can call these fringe beliefs designed to smear liberals if you want (and as I said, I have heard them from other groups as well) but Pelosi, Reid, Dean and others cannot be considered the fringe at this point. If the coming elections go well for the Democrats they would be the leaders of the House, Senate and the Democratic Party. I have seen many polls which show a large part of the country and a majority of Democrats believe such things, Ralph Nader and his bunch as well. So it is not the fringe.

Don’t worry, I know libertarians and conservatives believe a lot of ridiculous things as well, so no need to argue with me there. Go to Lewellen Rockwell’s site and breath in the conspiracies.
 
Written By: Lance
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I thought the post was extremely funny, and I thought it was a serious quote. I do not see how I missed that disclaimer line, which is glaringly obvious on a second reading.. My sense of humour, if a conservative can be said to have one, is evidently better than my eyesight.
 
Written By: timactual
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Like i said, there arent many true right wing comedians. But there are some very conservative libertarian middle of the road comedians, And i think the right can claim them. Cause as the quote from Parker points out, theres no way the left wants them. I considers myself one of those middle of the road yet still pretty conservative guys. I have nothing in common with the left and i take pieces from the center and right.
 
Written By: josh b
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Although he is probably more of a humorist than a comedian, and more of a libertarian than a conservative, PJ O’Rourke is among my favorites.

I am not sure, but I think Ann Coulter tries to be funny, maybe she is funny in the horror/comedy genre?

Kind of like the Shaun of the Dead of political humor.

I am sometimes put out by the Dem leaders use of populist meme’s that they either know are not true, or have no evidence that they are true. I have to ascribe this trying win elections, which sucks.

You do make a valid point about ridiculous things people believe, and I had thought that conservatives were far more likely to believe the ridiculous, but I see that it is a lot closer than I had previously assumed.

Maybe Americans are just stupid?

Cap
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Maybe Americans are just stupid?
Yeah that’s it Captin, the Sheeple is stoopit...good idea mock and demean the market you wish to influence. After all EVERYONE knows that we who comment on a ’blog are the TRUE geniuses....
 
Written By: Joe
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Remember the Democrat response to the SOTU address this year?
KAINE: My fellow Americans, good evening.
I’m Tim Kaine, the governor of the commonwealth of Virginia.
Remember?
The funniest jab at this that I saw follows,
KAINE: My fellow Americans, good evening.
I’m Tim Kaine, the governor of the commonwealth of Virginia. And it’s an honor tonight to give the Democratic response to President Bush on behalf of my commonwealth, my fellow Democratic governors and the Democratic Party.
[…]

There’s a better way.

[…]

There’s a better way.

[…]

There’s a better way.

[…]

There’s a better way.

And if you know that better way, please send it to the Democratic Headquarters at…


And where did this obvious jab at the Democrats come from? The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. In my humble opinion, the greatest political satire today.
I remember it well. It got a huge laugh from the audience.
Jon Stewart no doubt leans Left… he admits it himself. But the truth of the matter is that Stewart will try to get a laugh from his audience anyway he can. And he frequently jabs at members of the Democrat party, and he gets a laugh practically every time.
As far as Josh’s opinion about Jon Stewart’s “trained seals”, Stewart competes in the cutthroat field of television and he clearly has been highly successful. If Josh labels consumers of Jon Stewart as “trained seals”, then he must also label consumers of other highly successful programs such as Rush Limbaugh as “trained seals”. Something tells me that Josh, however, would see a distinction.

Satire is a product. And like most products, producers try to sell their brand. And either you like Stewart’s brand, or you don’t. You either like Limbaugh’s brand, or you don’t. They are two distinctive styles, yet they sell the same product – opinion and satire.

It just so happens that each variation of either of these two styles have found their market venue.
Clearly, political satire for the Right finds its broadcast in am radio. And political satire for the Left finds its broadcast in cable television. And having reservations to try and not insult the intelligence of the readers here, it’s the market – stupid.

Producers of both stripes have tried to enter the others marketplace. AirAmerica with it’s flagship The Al Franken Show tries to niche out a place on radio… it’s seemingly failing. Radio personalities – that are highly successful in their own field – have tried to cross over into television.

Limbaugh’s tv show – failed.
Michael Savage – failed.
Dennis Miller – failed.
Glenn Beck – failing.

I disagree with Mr. Franks. I do not see a difficulty in satirizing the Left. In fact I saw loads of you having great fun with it just a few posts ago,
Neo, you got that wrong its Chimpy McHaliburton.
Hmmm - Chimpy McWalmartiburton????
Chimp + McDonalds + Walmart + Hitler + Halliburton = Chimpitler McWalliburton.
Chimpitler O. McWalliburton

We call him "Oil can" for short.
Chimpitler O’Sulfurtan Mc Waliburton


Satire is not dead, dying, or even that difficult.
Should we be surprised that different ideologies excel in different media?

Written By: Rory Daulton


Exactly.
There’s nothing wrong with Lance’s post. It was humorous to those that get it.
There’s nothing that terribly inconsistent about the reaction of others, whether they be of the Left or Right.
Lance posted a crazy viewpoint in the guise of being serious. Those of us who have had the pleasure of reading Lance knew he was joking.

It reminds me of that skit by another great satirist, George Carlin.
There’s an invisible man — living in the sky — who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!

But He loves you.
You know it’s a joke because you know George Carlin. If that same quote was authored by Pat Robertson, you would know that it was meant to be taken seriously.

It is not surprising that readers who did not know Lance would have varying reactions.
What does it say about the political environment when satire is indistinguishable from the actual views of a significant portion of the polity?
Respectfully… Nothing.

My own attempts to jab at the Left, here .../shameless promotion>

It’s funny because it’s true. – Homer Simpson.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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There is a ton of social commentary from these guys and the overriding theme seems to be that anyone that takes an absolute stand on ANYTHING is wrong.

I am not saying that they are liberal, they’re not, nor are they conservative. If you had to tag them, you could say they are libertarians, or, if there is such thing, contrarians, since they will play the devils advocate (sometimes literally) on almost any issue.

Trey Parker has stated that he is a registered libertarian and Matt Stone has described himself as a libertarian as well.

I think these characters describe their views of the ideological left and the ideological right. Both sides are portrayed as imposing their views on others and generally having a malignant influence.


"Aging Hippie Liberal Douche" and "Pissed Off White Trash Redneck Conservative"
Sunday, Mar. 5, 2006
10 Questions for Matt Stone and Trey Parker
By JAMES PONIEWOZIK

They brought us four foulmouthed Colorado kids on South Park, spoofed the President in the sitcom That’s My Bush! and annoyed Sean Penn with the movie Team America: World Police. Ahead of the March 22 start of South Park’s 10th season on Comedy Central, Stone, 34, left, and Parker, 36, talked to TIME’s James Poniewozik about celebs, politics and the innate badness of children.

YOU GUYS ARE FAMOUS FOR HANDING IN EPISODES AT THE LAST MINUTE. HAVE YOU EVEN STARTED SEASON 10? MATT STONE We just started about two days ago. TREY PARKER We’re trying to work, but with no pressure we just aren’t that funny.

HOW IS SOUTH PARK DIFFERENT FROM IN 1997? M.S. It’s just way better. When we started, we didn’t know what we were doing. And none of the shows we’ve done in the last two or three seasons could have been shown on air back in 1997. If you look at the first season, they’re tame. T.P. It’s definitely a lot dirtier.

YET IN ’97 ALL PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE VULGARITY. NOW ALL THEY TALK ABOUT IS THE SOCIAL COMMENTARY. T.P. We created a brand for ourselves, so that now people can’t get mad at what we do, because then they’re just making fun of themselves. We had an animated Muhammad five years ago. But people say, "Oh, yeah, that’s just South Park."

ARE THERE EVER TIMES IN THE OFF-SEASON WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU THINK, "DAMN! I WISH WE COULD WRITE ABOUT THAT"? M.S. Last year it was the [Live 8] concert, and I was like, "Oh, man, I want to rip on them." And then there was when Tom Cruise was acting crazy. He just stayed crazy for so long—and it was still in the news—that we did a Tom Cruise show anyway.

WHAT WAS SCARIER: THAT TOM CRUISE MIGHT SUE YOU OR THAT SEAN PENN MIGHT PUNCH YOU? T.P. Well, Sean Penn is about 4 ft. 3 [M.S. laughs], so I’m definitely not scared of him. We’re both fairly large guys. M.S. Yeah. I’m not scared of Sean Penn or Tom Cruise physically. Now legally, that’s a different story.

THE BOOK SOUTH PARK CONSERVATIVES SAID YOUR SHOW IS AN ANTILIBERAL SATIRE. IS THAT A FAIR DESCRIPTION? M.S. I think that’s a fair description of some of the show’s politics. But you could also easily write a book called South Park Liberals, because we’ve attacked a lot of funny stuff that conservative people and institutions do in America. But we’re the only show that rips on Rob Reiner and antismoking laws and hippies, so we get that label.

THAT’S MY BUSH! LASTED ONE SEASON IN 2001. WOULD IT HAVE DONE BETTER A FEW YEARS LATER? M.S. I think it would. But I don’t think we would have been interested, because it would have been more politically charged. And it wasn’t a political show for us. T.P. To be a sitcom you need just a superlovable guy at the center, who, yeah, he f___s up a lot, and yeah, he’s harebrained sometimes, but he’s got a good heart. Which I think is basically George Bush. M.S. He’s like Homer Simpson.

WOULD YOU EVER DO ANOTHER MOVIE? SOUTH PARK OR OTHERWISE? T.P. The only way we’d do it is if we were sitting around and were like, "That’s a sweet idea for a movie." A lot of the South Park episodes we’ve done could have probably been really good movies. M.S. We have a hungry baby we have to feed. South Park takes every idea.

SPEAKING OF BABIES, NEITHER OF YOU HAS KIDS, RIGHT? BOTH No.

SO HOW DO YOU STAY IN TOUCH WITH HOW YOUNG BOYS, LIKE YOUR CHARACTERS ON SOUTH PARK, THINK? T.P. Yeah, sometimes I wonder. We still think like kids. Once you have kids, you think like a parent. You get a lot more protective. You start to think these kids are so beautiful, you can’t see past your child’s— M.S. What a bastard your child is. [Laughs] T.P. We still believe that all people are born bad and are made good by society, rather than the opposite. M.S. Actually, I think that’s where we’re conservative.
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Maybe Americans are just stupid?
Yeah that’s it Captin, the Sheeple is stoopit...good idea mock and demean the market you wish to influence. After all EVERYONE knows that we who comment on a ’blog are the TRUE geniuses....
Um, I am not running or campaigning for anything (here on this blog), and I am not calling Conservatives stupid to the exclusion off liberals, or liberals stupid to the exclusion of Democrats.

But how do YOU explain that a large majority of Americans believe amazingly ridiculous things?

I had previously thought that a large subset of conservative believed ridiculous things, and not so much with liberals, but appears that a majority of both groups believe ridiculous things, they are just different ridiculous things.

Stupid?
Misinformed?
Logically impaired?

Sheeple?

I don’t claim to know why, but that they are out there is beyond debate.

Cap

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Captin I didn’t take it as an attack on Conservatives...I took it as an attack on PEOPLE, in general. I dare say if we had you write down what you believe and then have you and your offspring re-visit that list in 20 years, Captin will appear an IDIOT, too. My point was let us be gentle in our judgments, as no doubt in turn we shall be idiots too...
 
Written By: Joe
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Well, at least he didn’t use something real intelectual like "Chimpy/Haliburton."
I did note that it didn’t have all the proper lingo down.
 
Written By: Neo
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I pretty much agree with Pogue on this (see Pogue, I can publicly agree with you) and especially about The Daily Show. Classic and much better than Colbert solo. I actually think he is at his best when satirizing Democrats myself. Colbert also. My favorite bit of the 2004 election was Colbert catching Howard Dean campaigning in (I think) Vermont in a hallway and asking him what Vermont cows would say about the race. Dean stupidly (doesn’t anybody warn pol’s about Colbert?) begins a long discussion of how a cow might feel about the race and Colbert replies, Wrong, a cow would say mooo, or something like that. Maybe somebody can find it for me on Youtube. Anyway the look on Dean’s face was absolutely priceless.

As for satire being easy Pogue, wrong. It may be easy to you, but to me it is like pulling teeth. I use it sparingly because it is much harder to do satire well than some of my other self important ramblings. I wasn’t even sure it was all that funny, I almost pulled it right after putting it up. It seems to have done well enough so I am happy, but I find gauging how other people will judge something intended as humorous a bit nerve racking. By the way, shamelessly plug away. I think you deserve a much wider audience. I still think about the first post of yours I read about the kid trying to sell worms. I laughed, got the point, agreed with the point and still wish I had the audience we have now then to point to it. If somebody wants a great humorous post from a libertarian free market perspective on the pettiness of government see this.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://www.asecondhandconjecture.com
By the way, we really, really do humor better than conservatives.

Have you seen the Colbert Report?
The Daily Show?
Bill Maher?
George Carlin
We do elections better than you.
 
Written By: shark
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