get caught and imply it’s not your fault by entering some sort of rehab program Why do you assume that by entering rehab he is implying it is not his fault? He may actually be making an honest effort to address his problems, or he may not, but we don’t have enough information to make that judgement yet. Seems to me "innocent before proven guilty" is the approach to use here. Entering treatment does not prevent legal action or any other natural consequences he suffers as a result of this innappropriate behavior. |
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He may actually be making an honest effort to address his problems, or he may not, but we don’t have enough information to make that judgement yet. Bless you for making my point. |
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McQ, you say that like it’s a bad thing. What sort of pass is Foley eligible to get having already stepped down? And doesn’t it seem that Foley does indeed have problems he ought to be addressing?
Meanwhile, we will still reelect Patrick Kennedy, so that holds... |
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To enter rehab, is to imply that this is something he cannot control, hence its not his fault. Hence he is full of bull. |
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ITs like stealing a cookie from the cookie jar then when your mom catches you you run and stand in the corner hoping she will have pitty on you because you you know you did something wrong and not give you the swat on the ass you deserve. Thing is, my mother would never go for that. Neither would I. |
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McQ, you say that like it’s a bad thing. What sort of pass is Foley eligible to get having already stepped down? And doesn’t it seem that Foley does indeed have problems he ought to be addressing?
Meanwhile, we will still reelect Patrick Kennedy, so that holds... And in both cases, neither recognized the "problem" until there was an incident whose outcome they weren’t able to control. I mean in both cases, if what they each claimed was true, this wasn’t the first time they recognized they may have a problem. Just the first time it was politically expedient to do anything about it. In both cases, had the incident not happened, I doubt there would be any voluntary "rehab". |
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To enter rehab, is to imply that this is something he cannot control, hence its not his fault. Going into rehab should be about taking control and straightening oneself out, not declaring yourself hopeless and helpless. I would submit, based on the allegations, that dude is indeed a mess.
He’s also not saying "It’s the booze making me creepy", which is good because he’s got bigger issues than that. From his statement:The Associated Press quotes Foley’s statement as saying, "I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and other behavioral problems." I don’t know about the booze, but I’m pretty sure he’s right about the behavioral problems.In both cases, had the incident not happened, I doubt there would be any voluntary "rehab". That’s surely true, but I think that’s probably the case for most people who wind up in rehab. Most people don’t do it while everything is going great.
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Ah, I see. He is not a pederast, he is an alcoholic. Color me very skeptical. The old saying, "In vino veritas", has a lot of truth to it. |
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It would seem to me his ploy may be working already. What are we talking about in the comments to this thread? Substance abuse (bieng addicted) not a adult man who was putting out fishing line to see if a minor would take the bait for sexual relations. |
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Under Federal Sentencing procedures, individuals who seek treatment for alcoholism or drug addiction are eligible for reduced sentences. This is why most criminal defense lawyers advise their clients to seek treatment. |
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Smart comment by William.
Nevertheless, I’m not going to condemn Foley for checking into rehab. Rehab is good. Alcoholism is bad. It’s believable that alcoholism could have played a part in further debilitating this man’s judgement.
I scorn people for their problems, not for their positive steps to get said problems under control. Sure, I support the resignation and the jail time. But he won’t be in jail forever. Better voluntary efforts to get his sh*t together than involuntary. |
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The Foley misadventure is so much like that of Clinton (except Foley never got any actual sex), that the obvious retort is ..
it’s only sex, get over it. |
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I do not agree Neo,
Clinton is scum but his trouble with Monica was two adults not minors. I don’t think we as a society should ruin a 19 or 20 year olds life for trying to get it on with a 17 year old but a full grown man going after a 16 year old. The two don’t compare. I really have no answer to what the cut point between minors and adults should be but 50+ going for 20- is a no-brainer. |
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This discussion harkens to the difference between guilt and shame.
If Foley had felt guilt over his actions, then he would have taken steps to deal with them ages ago. Instead, he waited until he was exposed. That suggests that he doesn’t feel guilty, but merely shamed that he has been caught.
I think we all recognize that feeling guilt and taking action to deal with the problem is a stronger moral position than doing something about a problem because of being shamed into it. At least that’s what I think when I see these public figures who somehow only do something about their "issues" when those issues cause them some kind of public problems. |
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Too bad you can’t rehabilitate creepiness |
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Well, one doesn’t have to do press conferences in rehab. Probably gets some time away from those pesky FBI agents as well.
Just be sure to warn the orderlies. |
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I don’t drink any more, but have gone through extensive rehab and still meet werly with people like me. For most of us, basic propblems lead to drinking problems, not the other way around. Problem drinkers are that precisely because they have NOT lost their moral compass and use booze to deal with the shame and guilt. So in that sense Foley seeking treatment for a drinking problem (assuming he actually has one) is a good idea but in no way absolves him of his moral failings. And understanding that is the first step in treatment. |
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Drinking lowers your inhibitions. I wonder how many extramarital affairs would have NOT happened if the people in question had not been sharing some margaritas at a business convention.
The same would apply to IM conversations with underage males, i.e. I bet they were all made at night after Foley may have had a few.
Not an excuse at all, but a possible explanation.
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What will be interesting to watch in this case, is the question of whether not the democrats will accept this excuse of Foley’s, and is waving the white flag of "alcoholism". And I wonder what Mary Jo Kopekne would say, if they didn’t. |
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